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  Hrimnir

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Joined: 5/24/10
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11/13/10 3:38:04 PM#41

This would of been a primo chance to introduce a third faction and possibly revitalize this game.  I really can't wrap my head around the fact that they haven't figured out that the 2 sided RVR is what killed/is killing the game.

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

  Kremlik

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11/13/10 3:44:25 PM#42

I've given up in hoping any thrid party can actally take an exisisting IP and stay as loyal as they can with it - thats not just with games or MMOs, I hate to say this but the only people that can get away with it is Blizzard as it's their lore to begin with (although 'borrowed' from Warhammer and other pop culture), they have to make it their version which in the case of WAR or many many film versions of games have strayed so far off the point in the first place it's nothing like what it's ment to be.

As someone said Lizardmen would have made the most logical choice, even Mythic thought so at one point, even adding the 3rd faction of counts and kings was widely disscussed between the fanbase,

Aall this Skaven update does is further prove that WAR is a 2nd thought now next to the other projects in Bioware and it's just going through the motions atm to try and make it seem that it will get updated from time to time - TBH I don't blame them, Mythic (ie Mark Jacobs) screwed the pooch the moment they started cutting content and reversing all the good PR annoucements Paul did, if half the stuff that was actally accounced made it thru (dogs of war, all the cities, etc, even the orginal sandbox version) then the game wouldn't have bombed as much as it did, it's a badly designed pvp MMO with a Warhammer theme.

I think the most upsetting thing is that Vigil are sticking to the two faction in 40K:DM even tho it's the most complained 'feature' about WAR AND Relic/THQ are involved and they proved they know the lore properly with DoW....

Vigil/THQ/Relic for heven's sake use WAR as an example of NOT to do a Warhammer MMO, the market doesn't need another EQ/WoW carbon copy, we need another EVE/DAoC.

Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!

  Smallpox1

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Posts: 28

11/13/10 3:59:33 PM#43

This is only a temporary measure. When the 2nd rvr pack is released this will contain a second race, one more suited to order than skaven (likely the lizardmen).

Skaven will then be playable by destruction only and order will have the new race only.

Sure I'd have liked there to have been 1 race for each side (and indeed fully playable) but the money simply isnt there to do that in the first pack so we have to wait until the second.

  holdenhamlet

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Joined: 8/01/05
Posts: 1034

11/13/10 4:56:29 PM#44
Originally posted by Smallpox1

This is only a temporary measure. When the 2nd rvr pack is released this will contain a second race, one more suited to order than skaven (likely the lizardmen).

Skaven will then be playable by destruction only and order will have the new race only.

Sure I'd have liked there to have been 1 race for each side (and indeed fully playable) but the money simply isnt there to do that in the first pack so we have to wait until the second.

Yeah, that's the thing.  They don't have a lot of money to work with.

I for one am glad there will just be something new to add to RVR and look forward to playing a Skaven and causing problems.

To me, Warhammer is really the only MMORPG worth playing right now that's fun every time I play it, so anything new is appreciated.

  someforumguy

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Joined: 1/25/07
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11/13/10 6:18:25 PM#45

They can be played on both sides, because otherwise they would have to introduce a new race to Order as well.

Their reason for this is just a lame excuse to prevent this. But its not that unexpected given the shape of the game (in subs).

  SBE1

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Joined: 6/05/06
Posts: 339

11/13/10 9:43:51 PM#46

I could be wrong, but I was pretty sure players wanted Skaven as a 3rd Realm so that PvP servers could be more balanced (rather than the imbalanced 2-realm system they have).  So, they add Skaven, but they continue with the 2-realm system.  Seems like they only went halfway, which is sad.  The game sorely needed 3-realms at the start instead of 2, and now most of the servers have closed.

Oh well.

  Jumdor

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Joined: 3/05/08
Posts: 62

Triforce of Wisdom: "Orderly ways do not make one brave, and neatness does not a kingdom save."

11/13/10 10:05:39 PM#47

I personally felt the game had great potential even though they botched the concept early with the two faction deal in my opinion. I think it should have allowed you to form teams among the Order, and other than certain Chaotic factions or classes kept it from being an option other than in their own race. Kept the factions seperated...

On the aspect of EA and GW. They both are money whores. Probably worse than Blizzard. Sorry but its the truth. They don't respect their lore as long as they think it'll bring them a buck, and flip flop it any time they want it to fit. Also GW products are extremely over priced in my oppinion.

I think many of these big companies need to take a step back and simplify their build process. Instead of maximizing their first release profits like so many try to do. They need to focus maybe on two races for PvP and PvE. Then as their work will be more solid cause more time was spent working out the kinks for just two races. Then they can focus on an update that will implement another solidly built two races that had plenty of time to be fleshed out.

No. We gotta throw out unfinished untested work that doesn't appease our core fan base. Who will most likely buy it just because its based on their favorite subject matter. No we can't take the time to make solid material and actually learn the most about our products. We just know that the masses will suck it up like bees to pollen cause it tastes so good and hypnotize them to think "OMG I always wanted to play that concept in real time."

I say for 40K they should just build two solid core PvP races, give the players some huge battle grounds and build around that. Instead of trying to mimic the lore only to break it in the end. Focus on your dynamic catch first instead of always trying to appease both sides. Do something solid then add too it. Its more cost effective, and you can build a very solid core sales rep that I think will soak up the next bunch of content. Instead they often leave cause your original core material was ugly only to be followed by more rushed and slapped together stuff to try to hold onto the few remaining groupies who only stayed hoping you'd clean up your act to then be insulted by your lack of concern for cleaning up your mess.

I also know for a fact with one of those starter races being the Space Marines your first buyers will be a big enough market. This won't happen and I am obviously ignorant of the way MMORPG marketing works so I'll save people the time and insult myself for the sake of humor on my part. Ha, haha, ha...       =I       End of line...


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  Scot

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Joined: 10/10/03
Posts: 5210

11/14/10 3:09:39 AM#48

What they should have done if money is tight is introduced Skaven on both sides then next expansion replace the Order Skaven with the Lizards, just swap the toons. Give them the same classes as WH uses mirror classes and of you go. If Skaven have a start area, make the order one Lizards could start in too.

  backwoods660

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Joined: 6/25/09
Posts: 5

11/14/10 8:06:20 AM#49
Originally posted by ozeNa


IMO They took a great and awesome game and squashed it with overpowered order classes. All the gm's play order so I removed my sub and never looking at this game again until they even the playing fields. Then I might think about resubbing.

 

LOL I'm sorry but your an idiot and here comes the classic The devs play this class and like this class more waaahhh wahhh wahhhh. If anything destro have a slight advantage over order. Theres no way you can tell me that the Swordmaster is Op... WHich happens to be the class I played the most and the reason i stopped playing because the class is pretty gimp. Even though I don't play anymore I still think the game has the best PvP in any mmo out atm. And adding the Skaven should make it more interesting since it was getting boring. If they buffed the Swordmaster alittle I woul def start playing Warhammer again after this patch.

Everyone complaining about the lore come on seriously would you rather play a game that sucked but stayed completly true to the lore or play a game that was fun and strayed from the lore a little bit to make the game funner to play.

  User Deleted
11/14/10 3:16:47 PM#50

This coming Skaven expansion actually made me quit Warhammer, because it only proved how much Mythic dont care about players opinions.

  Smallpox1

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Joined: 4/10/08
Posts: 28

11/14/10 4:03:28 PM#51
Originally posted by Fail

This coming Skaven expansion actually made me quit Warhammer, because it only proved how much Mythic dont care about players opinions.

 

Interesting; but what is in the patch / rvr pack (its not an expansion) is what players wanted. things like an end to higher rr's farming lowbies in scenarios, much more balanced game play, easier for players to get to rr80 and get loot, an end to having to wait for a zone lock, something for the vast number of players with a rr80 to do etc.

  Smallpox1

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11/14/10 4:10:11 PM#52
Originally posted by ozeNa

IMO They took a great and awesome game and squashed it with overpowered order classes. All the gm's play order so I removed my sub and never looking at this game again until they even the playing fields. Then I might think about resubbing.

 

 The servers that have an equal population on either side which is most of them are balanced. if one side or the other actually had better classes we would see that side dominate open rvr all the time; this doesnt happen.

If you lose in an equal numbers fight now its usually because the other side are better players at pvp than you are.

i wouldnt ever resub if I was you; if your not willing to admit you got beaten because of bad play on your part and learn from it how to play better then pvp games are not for you.

  Smallpox1

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11/14/10 4:13:57 PM#53
Originally posted by SBE1

I could be wrong, but I was pretty sure players wanted Skaven as a 3rd Realm so that PvP servers could be more balanced (rather than the imbalanced 2-realm system they have).  So, they add Skaven, but they continue with the 2-realm system.  Seems like they only went halfway, which is sad.  The game sorely needed 3-realms at the start instead of 2, and now most of the servers have closed.

Oh well.

 

 very true; unfortunately it would cost alot of money to change it to 3 faction pvp straight away and that means heavy investment from EA. With AWTOR costing a reported xxx million  this isnt going to happen.

 

maybe if the rvr pack is a success and SWTOR isnt EA might change their minds on this, who knows.

  jimbo833

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Joined: 12/30/06
Posts: 159

11/14/10 4:17:18 PM#54

2 things....

 

1. order are not good and destruction are not evil.. get that in your head ok.

 

and 2nd, stop gonig on about a 3rd race, if they were donig that then the maps would need to change and then so would everything to fit it and thats just a new game.. no??

  Abisbowa

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Joined: 11/16/06
Posts: 90

11/14/10 6:35:01 PM#55
Originally posted by Tamanous


People are still trying to defend this game?

Pro tip: Forget this game was ever made, go back to playing Warhammer table top ... enjoy.

 

Death to the false emperor!

  Zodan

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Joined: 10/07/04
Posts: 565

11/15/10 3:47:50 AM#56

Skaven is just a small part of this RvR pack, there is much more:

- Revamped zone capture mechanics

- 20 new renown ranks

Just to name a few...

  THEchad88

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Confusing use of time...(311 song lyric)

11/15/10 10:40:26 AM#57
Originally posted by Dimensional

I'm eargerly awaitng this update but considering how difficult it seems for Mythic to properly balance classes 2 years or so after release, I am dreading the amount off unbalancing that will come with it.

 
  THEchad88

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Confusing use of time...(311 song lyric)

11/15/10 10:43:23 AM#58

Just out of curiousity while i know WAR had some class balance issues hasn't WoW been plagued by that stuff for like ever too? It makes me curious how a dev can ever hope to balance things and make every single class happy. WoW i think has a like class of the month and the constantly shift things around to cater to a class so its sorta like each class gets love etc. I cannot say that i ever felt things were very unbalanced in WAR when i played it but then i never hit the cap either so dunno.

  THEchad88

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Confusing use of time...(311 song lyric)

11/15/10 10:55:27 AM#59
Originally posted by backwoods660
Originally posted by ozeNa


IMO They took a great and awesome game and squashed it with overpowered order classes. All the gm's play order so I removed my sub and never looking at this game again until they even the playing fields. Then I might think about resubbing.

 

LOL I'm sorry but your an idiot and here comes the classic The devs play this class and like this class more waaahhh wahhh wahhhh. If anything destro have a slight advantage over order. Theres no way you can tell me that the Swordmaster is Op... WHich happens to be the class I played the most and the reason i stopped playing because the class is pretty gimp. Even though I don't play anymore I still think the game has the best PvP in any mmo out atm. And adding the Skaven should make it more interesting since it was getting boring. If they buffed the Swordmaster alittle I woul def start playing Warhammer again after this patch.

Everyone complaining about the lore come on seriously would you rather play a game that sucked but stayed completly true to the lore or play a game that was fun and strayed from the lore a little bit to make the game funner to play.

 

 I would have to agree with you here.

I'm sure they strayed from the Lore in order to make the game funner to play as well. Don't forget either that this game was making an effort to compete with WoW and the more akin to it they could make it while also making it different and fresh is not dumb because people can easily pick it up and try something new. What is sad for those saying its sad is that there aren't enough people playing to make the PVP worth while. No players, no pvp. That is the drawback from a PVP oriented game and why PVE oriented games can be considered a better business model to go with because you don't require the huge masses to make your game run. I think this is why many game devs have been providing the content instead of allowing the players to decide that content. Not to mention that delivers the instant gratification that is prevalent nowadays.

Personally I enjoyed the PVE aspects of this game far more than the PVP and that was quite nicely done too but a lot of people said that it was TOO WoW like and not enough DOAC like. I thought they shoulda just scrapped the scenarios altogether and focused on the seiges. But again going with what works they kept it too akin to WoW. 

The lore is awesome in this game sorry they couldn't make it multi factioned i think that would have been very interesting dynamic but much harder to develop, more money required and much harder to balance too.

  Spiritof55

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11/15/10 12:40:18 PM#60

Why spend the money and resources to give us skaven when all that time could've been spent creating a true third faction?  They're bending the lore giving us skaven so why not bend it to give us a third faction? 

Well I say "us".  I mean those left playing.  I quit due to the lame ass realm hopping keep farming zergs.

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