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9/29/10 5:26:46 PM#61

You missed Ultima online there.

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9/29/10 6:07:37 PM#62

Having looked at the graph in question, I can't see any identifying marks. I do know that its been around for several years now.  How one would track down who ever originally created it, I'm not certain.  Its been posted by lord only knows how many people on many, many forums.


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9/29/10 7:06:15 PM#63
Originally posted by megagame

Darkfall online is only hard becouse the UI/control system seem to have been designed 15 years ago and not been work on since.

Also old players and the game itself dont really let new players learn the game.

Bad made game is not the same as hardcore game.

I'll agree that the UI is bad, but a vocal portion of the community actually likes the UI the way it is.  In fact, I complained about the inventory system and was granted with a response of, "it's more realistic."  That's lol worthy when you think of how "unrealistic" carrying a broadsword, two pairs of leather leggings, a breastplate, and five  planks of wood actually is.

That said, I never thought Darkfall was a bad game.  It just needs a bit more sand in its box, and the skill system (where you are expected to master everything) is fundamentally broken. I never thought the game was all that difficult to learn though.  It's actually far more simplistic than almost any other MMORPG that I can think of which calls itself a sandbox game.

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9/29/10 7:26:54 PM#64
Originally posted by Dirkzen

I'm pretty sure that last learning curve chart was originally used for Dwarf Fortress...  lol

but still,  it would be just about right  :)

Eve is one of the last truley 'Massive' games where theres just so much crap to do,  you really don't know where to begin.

omg Dwarf Fortress... yeah that game definitely takes some getting used to...


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9/29/10 8:11:15 PM#65

 I was excited when I read the topic. I slowly scrolled down from number 5 to number 1. I honestly thought AO was going to take number 1. AO was my first mmorpg. I've played several mmo's after...including EVE. AO hands down needed to be listed. One post mentioned something about a freakin spreadsheet to choose which implants to use and what to stack what in order to get the stats you want. That was kinda how you had to plan the progression. Several programs were written by fans to help out with this. That game had so much. I'd drop all my games in a heart beat if they came out with an AO'2 or something. 

Disappointed in the round-up. AO for number 1, the steepest learning curve. EVE a real close second.


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9/29/10 8:27:41 PM#66

Others may have said this, but shouldn't the axes on the graph be reversed?


I know it's an odd comment, but just caught my attention. :P

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9/29/10 8:31:21 PM#67

If I were to make my own list, I would probably say:


5. Pirates of the Burning Sea

4. Saga of Ryzom

3. Pre-NGE SWG

2. Anarchy Online

1. EVE


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9/29/10 10:03:11 PM#68

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9/29/10 11:27:05 PM#69

I must agree with many other here AO should have made the top 5 easy.

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9/30/10 1:43:13 AM#70
Originally posted by Meridion
Originally posted by japo

Holy Crap....can we please STFU about "PRE-NGE" already.

It's gone, it happened (many many years ago) so get freekin' over it.

It happend four years ago, not 'many many'. You gotta be in the infamous "30 is old and 5 years ago was right after World War 2"-age =)

lol, for that post I think you should get 5 stars, right now.


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9/30/10 3:32:53 AM#71
Originally posted by Araiya

Were this a boredom curve list, then FFXI would deserve to be on it.

Having seen this graphic change over and over and over in its years of being handed down on the internet, I remember the days when Anarchy Online occupied the slot that EVE did, and when EVE arrived, it was bumped down to where POTBS is.

When choosing a race can result in your character being less successful... you know you're on Rubi-Ka.

There are non-subtle differences between a Nanomage Enforcer and an Atrox Enforcer. A player that understands the system knows how to overcome much of the differences, but one can easily gimp a character in AO, thanks to the improvement points system. What's green (cheap) to an Atrox can be deep blue (bloody expensive!) to a nanomage, and make all the difference in what and how much one can improve (talk about IP Starvation)!

This post made me laugh. So true, so true!

I like the possibilty of gimping a character in some ways. Some of my favourite MMO memories are of gimped characters I made. If you learn to 'suffer' through the game, they can generate some incredible experiences. I put suffer in quotes because it was still so fun.

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9/30/10 5:07:36 AM#72
Originally posted by Rohn

Mortal Online probably should have been #3 or #4 on the list.


 Mortal Online belongs in this thread


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9/30/10 8:00:10 AM#73

I also am one that says Anarchy Online should be next up to there alongside to Eve..

Though, nowadays the graph would be different Eve has come a long way to upgrading the Tutorial. Back when i first started in Exodus...i woiuldn't even call it a

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9/30/10 8:03:09 AM#74

Also think Anarchy online should have made the list. Maybe not first place but second after EVE for sure. EVE has a larger amount of info needed to be absorbed AO needed more math especially for twinking

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9/30/10 8:11:26 AM#75
Originally posted by megagame

Darkfall online is only hard becouse the UI/control system seem to have been designed 15 years ago and not been work on since.

Also old players and the game itself dont really let new players learn the game.

Bad made game is not the same as hardcore game.

Wut? The UI is fine for a first person perspective if you give it enough time to get used to it, i.e. not ragequit in 3 days.


Old players do not let new players learn the game? Whilst the forums are full of epeen fighting the game has one of the better communities i've experienced. Yes you will get killed (it is a FFA full loot game afterall) but I for one was constantly getting help from people when I started the game, from advice to items to gold.



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9/30/10 11:44:36 AM#76

I hope will create a "steepest lurning curve mmo". I bet the results will be... interesting.

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9/30/10 2:05:29 PM#77

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9/30/10 2:33:12 PM#78

usually, higher the learning curve means there is more that can be done in a game. This is not always true but on average but basically a high learning curve for a game you will be playing for years is a usually a good thing.

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9/30/10 2:39:15 PM#79

Ah, Anarchy Online, the game that makes it so I will forever sneer at what people in other games think of as 'twinking'.  I miss the crazy things you could do in that game.

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9/30/10 7:26:50 PM#80
Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Originally posted by Ozmodan

I would throw in AC1 in there.  Except for Eve it is far more complex than any of the others and a much better game except for the graphics and the inability to control the bots.

Not sure what you mean here as the graphics are pretty much spot on and the "Bots" [i assume you mean avatar] is easy to controll?

The AC1 graphics are over 10 years old and it shows. Same thing with the UI which is outside the 3D box instead of being overlaid like all modern games are. I'm guessing the 'bots' refers to the script-driven PCs that provide bufs or buy and sell stuff.

If AC1 implemented the graphics and UI of AC2 and added a built-in auction house, i would still be a contender. I'm still wondering why Turbine hasn't given it the F2P treatment like they did for DDO and LOTRO.

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