Trending Games | ArcheAge | World of Warcraft | WildStar | Swordsman

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,736,686 Users Online:0
Games:714  Posts:6,175,337
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Puzzle Pirates Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

News & Features Discussion  » General: Who's Next for F2P?

10 Pages First « 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 » Search
196 posts found
  drel

Novice Member

Joined: 8/09/09
Posts: 923

9/22/10 4:23:00 PM#121

Since the games mentioned in the article are "old" games with the exception of Star Trek, why would you want to go back and play an "old" game you left, even if the game became a "FTP"?

  UndeadKing

Novice Member

Joined: 11/11/08
Posts: 18

9/22/10 6:13:50 PM#122
Originally posted by Yavin_Prime

Originally posted by WSIMike

I find it funny that prior to the whole F2P craze, P2P did just fine and no one ever second-guessed it. People bought the boxes, paid the subs, and played.... this lasted just fine for about a decade. And, in a number of cases, it's still working just fine.

Yet, you have people who like to think in absolutes out there now arguing that "P2P doesn't work anymore and F2P is the only viable way to go". Of course P2P still works. It still *is* working.  The trick is to create a game that enough people find *worth the subscription fee* to pay for.  Several developers over the past 5 or 6 years have failed to pull that off.

Their failure - at least in part, in my own opinion - is that instead of trying to forge their own identity and providing a unique experience (like the old school MMOs were), they were trying to ride WoW's coat-tails by trying to capture Blizzard's lightning. One after another, they failed, and players became more and more disenchanted, and more and more cynical.

And of course there's that word "free". People are drawn in by the word. All their "standards" and "demands" and "expectations" fly out the window the moment they realize there isn't a price attached to something. *Especially* if it's a AAA title making the switch. Look at DDO for example... That game was failing, absolutely, as a P2P MMO. It simply wasn't retaining enough subs to remain healthy. Turbine made the switch to their Hybrid model and, holy crap, you'd think the heavens parted and released a gift to the F2P crowd. People were so enamoured by the fact that a "AAA Quality" MMO had gone F2P that they completely overlooked the fact that it was a steadily sinking ship as P2P.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... when a MMO that was on its way down the tubes as P2P becomes the Darling of the F2P market... that's painting a pretty sad picture of F2P overall.  And yet, some F2P advocates, such as Richard Aioshi here on MMORPG.com, can't understand why many people will only play P2P titles and won't touch F2P games, citing inferior quality as a common reason.

 I just wanted to point out, very, very, good post! I 100% agree with what you had to say. Personally it is a sad market and I know this sounds horridly twisted of me, but I look down on F2P games. The 'cool' kids in the MMO world are the P2P games. They're so good that they can actually get people to pay to play them. F2P games are in some ways failures, and lack any real quality hence no one wants to pay for them untill they play them and get hooked. The fact that LoTRO is going F2P shows me that that game is going down the tubes, but I've felt that way for a year or so now.

I agree developers need to start making up new visions of MMOs. These days every MMO plays so much like the other that I don't even bother opening the books that come with them I just pop it in, load it up, and play away as if I'd been playing it for months. I remember going from UO to EQ1 and then to AC back in the day took a while to get used to them. Now MMOs are literally cookie-cutter copies of eachother.

 

As a LotRO lifer since 2007 I'd have to say LotRO is far from going down the tubes, the game was doing well on a P2P model, true we'd lost some players but the number of new players was enough to offset that from everything I've seen.  True some of the things the Devs have started adding to the game such as an absurd amount of barter items or the balancing issues that plauged Moria and the gimmicky boss fights of Mirkwood have been frustrating.  Those issues have been for the most part worked out and the new Enedwaith expansion feel a more like the old SoA days so I think the game will keep improving.

LotRO F2P is merely a way to bring back old players who got tired and aren't sure if they want to keep playing.  I've seen so many of my old friends come back just in the first week or so of F2P and they're already re-subbing and there are so many new players in the starting zone that the game can't help but go up from here.  With F2P lifetime subs like me can actually start paying a little to support the game so we're no longer just deadweights and with all the new subs and Froobs (free noobs) spending TP there will be more money to pump into updates and expansions.

The Turbine Model for F2P could be applied to most P2P games and would see an increase in players, subs and revenue.  People have said it before in the comments, but it bears saying again there is a world of difference between the Turbine Model and the standard F2P model and while I would most likely not play a traditional F2P I'd be more than likely to try one that uses the Turbine Model.

  AOCtester

Novice Member

Joined: 4/22/08
Posts: 445

9/22/10 6:24:24 PM#123

I still dont belive that Warhammer isn't free to play.  Its perfect for it.  It tells you everything about how poor job Bioware/Mythic/EA are doing still leaving this game under sub and expecting ppl to pay for "extra content".

 

Warhammer online is already the biggest grind you will ever find in any MMO game (including Asian games).  Im sorry but 100 levels of renown is something that you would have to pay me for spending time on in normal sub....  Its total...utter waste of time, effort and money.

Im just speachless that even to this day there are STILL making the wrong dissions when it comes to WAR...

  Xsorus

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/20/05
Posts: 157

9/22/10 6:35:12 PM#124

AOCtester, did you seriously just call one of the most casual mmo's in existance the biggest grind ever?

Not even to mention you don't have 100 lvls of renown yet in WAR in the first place.

If you think WAR is difficult, or grindy, then you should stick with a coloring book.

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/Xsorus/videos

Guild Wars 2 Ranger Video's

  AOCtester

Novice Member

Joined: 4/22/08
Posts: 445

9/22/10 6:36:35 PM#125
Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Warhammer and Age of conan will never go free, period.

 

Champion online will be free for sure. Dont know about lineage 2. Fallen earth deserve to be free, so i dont know why they did not list it.

Age of Conan is going F2P cashshop in Asia already. 

 

WAR is dying faster than anyone could belive at this stage.  And there is nothing ... absolutly NOTHING on the horizon for the game to keep even fraction of the playerbase... not to mention new recruits that will never show up for the next 3 way dlc extra expensive package (based on the Bioware normal DLC modules).... 

I think ppl do not really understand how bad state WAR really is in.  At this point in time it looks so bad that devs and EA/Mythic are not gonna do Anything at all - just to prevent them loosing even more money on the game.   Thats sad cause WAR would ROCK as F2P title.

  AOCtester

Novice Member

Joined: 4/22/08
Posts: 445

9/22/10 6:42:22 PM#126
Originally posted by Xsorus

AOCtester, did you seriously just call one of the most casual mmo's in existance the biggest grind ever?

Not even to mention you don't have 100 lvls of renown yet in WAR in the first place.

If you think WAR is difficult, or grindy, then you should stick with a coloring book.

 

Erm... you played on minority servers ?

Do the calculations and it would take factions on some of those servers over 2 years to get to rank 80.   And ofc they are just gonna add 20 more to make it even more grindy....

  Elikal

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 2/09/06
Posts: 8067

“No path is darker then when your eyes are shut.” -Flemeth

9/22/10 6:49:07 PM#127

Yeah more or less my list as well.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  UndeadKing

Novice Member

Joined: 11/11/08
Posts: 18

9/22/10 7:24:16 PM#128
Originally posted by Holst86


Warhammer online wont be f2p. It would totally ruin the whole point of the game.

I currently play WAR and I can only say that we had enough of these chinese/asian tendencies i.e gold seller/powerlvler spammers. To make a wrong turn and make it f2p(with other words make a western game asian) would ruin it all. A game that is based on character and player skills to gain progress the f2p model could only make it totally unfair.  Beside the carrie said that f2p wasn't a option at this time.

F2p is never a winning model. In asian f2p you only have the eternal grinding and the expensive item mall, with barely any game updates(and those updates who come are more than often full of bugs and flaws) and no quality at all. Asian f2p games give a feeling that the game developers only ambition is to earn cash. Real game developers makes game with passion and have ambitions to make a game that players want. In western f2p games you only see failure, less succesful game with no value(i.e DDO and LOTRO). They fail and they make them f2p to save whats able to save, ofc the f2p players get intrested but gamers like my self move on.

I dont encourage people to play f2p games since they're very expencive, lacks quality and they have no ambition to become anything in the world of gaming.

Pay the 12.99 euro a month and PLAY your way to the top and dont PAY to get there.

Warhammer as f2p? No thanks!

/a WAR player

 

LOL at your Lack Of Logic and racisism Holst!  Yes I agree goldfarmers and powerleveling services suck, unblance games, generate spam in chat channels and dump max leveled players who have no idea what they're doing into the game.  However that does not make everything Asian bad like you say it does that's just being racist and bigoted.  Also by saying F2P is bad because it's Asian on top of being racist and bigoted is an Ad Hominem or attack on the man failure of logic.  F2P especially the Turbine Model has a lot of potential and can make the game more accessible to other people who can't afford a monthly sub.

 

You say that asian devs are nothing more than money grubbing player haters who are wholy evil and western devs are the angels of light who make games because they love their players and want them to have fun.  Let me correct your racists niavete, while individual devs in probably almost every case regardless of their ethnicity or where they live in the world want to make fun and enjoyable games it's also their job which means the games have to make money for the company so that the company can pay the devs.   So you're bigotry is wrong again.

 

Last thing I'm going to touch on is that you feel that LotRO is a failure.  Not because you've played pre and post F2P or probably ever.  Nor because you've seen how much money it's making or any concrete evidence that it's a failure.  No your entire ASSUMPTION is bases on the fact that LotRO is a failure because it's going F2P and your bigotry just knows that anything F2P is a failure because F2P is "inherently" asian in concept and your Racism makes you positive that anything asian is a failure.  You sir are a racist, a bigot and completely illogical, please keep your idiocy to yourself from now on.

Originally posted by muertepk


i guess you all are so closed minded you have no idea about the whole global thing wa have? a round planet with more then your puny markets?

 

yes asians have used the fre to play model with a cash shop for over a decade. its NEW to you puny minded people because you are narrow minded and can only see hwat you want to see.

 

 internet cafes and free 2 play games is a great profitable business model.   heres a f20 game that hase thousands of players and was produced to be free to play Voyage Century Online. it makes money hand over fist. of course its a pay ti win game and cash shop but it is very profitable.

 

there are hundreds of free to play with im games you people dont bother to think outside the box, only see whats on your monitor. try putting your monitor in front of a window so you can be reminded youre a real person not a automon.

 

oh and for the record WARNER BROTHERS owns turbine now so it can be attributed to Warner co. for the free to play aspects of the future, that is the reason its other sub game isnt on this list as warner will wait until lotro runs for a while before reading the data.

 

i see several people who seem smart repling there but so many numbskulls who have not the first clue what a mmorpg is supposed to play like.

 

sad to see people fail to research the hobby they choose and just blather on about things they know absolutely nothing about.

 

rofl, its pretty funny you all spend more time on a mmorpg forum instead of playign the games you oh so enjoy discussing liek you were a part of the communities or dev processes. what a hoot and what a bunch of phoney people.

 

lol Muertepk thanks for the laughs :D.  We understand the world is round and that there are many more markets than the western one, thing is we don't live in those other markets.  Over here we don't really have cyber cafes because most people own a computer and have internet where they live.  Personally I would like to see some cybercafes and restraunts like the ones I enjoyed in Hong Kong, they have a fun and friendly atmosphere where you get to meet people with similar interests.

 

As for why our "puny minds" haven't moved away from subscription based models till now.  It's because the companies that made the high quality games didn't feel the need and we the players didn't mind paying a monthly fee to play our favorite games.  Subscriptions are a very stable payment platform which companies like because they provide steady revenue.  Free to play is riskier because people may not spend money in the store or they may not spend as much as they would with a monthly sub.  Yet it can pay off more if you're willing to take the risk because people are more likely to play a game that says "Free" and will often succumb to buying stuff from ingame stores on an impulse.  You add up all those new people and all their impulse buys and it can be a nice chunk of change, but it's not as stable as subs.

 

You say Voyage Century Online is a pay to win game which undermines everything you've been saying.  We don't want pay to win, we want to win on our own merits using our own skill not cause we bought stuff from the game store.  And yes there are many free to play games, but in our market most games that are free to play have been underwhelming and not worth our time, so for us having games that are actually good and fun go to the Turbine Model is new and controversial.  By the way Warner Bros may have bought Turbine but the transition from subscription to the hybrid Turbine Model was in the works before that.

  Ginaz

Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/01/07
Posts: 1678

9/22/10 8:20:51 PM#129
Originally posted by Thomas2006
Originally posted by Gruug

^^^I think you might want to look at EVE Online again Thomas2006. There numbers have actually been steadily growing and not declining. While CCP may be a small "indie" they certainly know what they are doing and have a pretty good product (especially compared to those other you listed).

I didn't say any of them was declining or even dieing for that matter. I am saying that compared to other MMO's anything that has been different has done piss poor compared to the games that have been similar / alike World of Warcraft / the standard in MMO's.

And 40k-100k subscriptions is not exactly a screaming success in todays market. Eve Online has a leg up in that its cost of operation is very small do to its operations location. 

EVE has over 300k subscribers.  Its had over 100k for a few years now and is arguably the 2nd most succesful western mmo.  You might want to think about doing a little research before you post something like this again.

Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?

Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.

  Ginaz

Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/01/07
Posts: 1678

9/22/10 8:31:44 PM#130
Originally posted by muertepk

i guess you all are so closed minded you have no idea about the whole global thing wa have? a round planet with more then your puny markets?

 

yes asians have used the fre to play model with a cash shop for over a decade. its NEW to you puny minded people because you are narrow minded and can only see hwat you want to see.

 

 internet cafes and free 2 play games is a great profitable business model.   heres a f20 game that hase thousands of players and was produced to be free to play Voyage Century Online. it makes money hand over fist. of course its a pay ti win game and cash shop but it is very profitable.

 

there are hundreds of free to play with im games you people dont bother to think outside the box, only see whats on your monitor. try putting your monitor in front of a window so you can be reminded youre a real person not a automon.

 

oh and for the record WARNER BROTHERS owns turbine now so it can be attributed to Warner co. for the free to play aspects of the future, that is the reason its other sub game isnt on this list as warner will wait until lotro runs for a while before reading the data.

 

i see several people who seem smart repling there but so many numbskulls who have not the first clue what a mmorpg is supposed to play like.

 

sad to see people fail to research the hobby they choose and just blather on about things they know absolutely nothing about.

 

rofl, its pretty funny you all spend more time on a mmorpg forum instead of playign the games you oh so enjoy discussing liek you were a part of the communities or dev processes. what a hoot and what a bunch of phoney people.

The reason the business model works in Asia is because, generally, Asians are poorer and have lower standards of living than people living in western nations.  They simply can't afford a standard western subscription (usually around $15) and the pay as you go model works for them.  Being poorer is also the reason internet cafe's, or bangs, are more widespread in Asia.  Again, many Asian's can't afford to have a high speed internet connection in their home or buy a computer capable of gaming.

Oh, and almost every Asian mmo is nothing more than grindtastic crap, which is the main reason "puny minded" western gamers reject them.

Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?

Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.

  Stealthrider

Novice Member

Joined: 9/04/07
Posts: 41

9/22/10 8:38:31 PM#131

SWG

If it went free to play, and old players (and new) got a chance to try the game as it is now, its reputation may actually be somewhat rectified.

  Baiame

Novice Member

Joined: 9/26/06
Posts: 145

9/22/10 9:30:15 PM#132

Excellent article.  Vanguard and Warhammer Online would have been two of my picks as well.  It would seem that SOE has the F2P bug and Vanguard would be the next step...that and Star Wars Galaxies (let go of the hate my fellow pre-NGE/CU commrades).  ;-}

  Baiame

Novice Member

Joined: 9/26/06
Posts: 145

9/22/10 9:32:19 PM#133

*comrades:)

  Magter

Novice Member

Joined: 7/13/08
Posts: 293

MMO players are nerds, MMO fans are geeks.

9/22/10 9:54:44 PM#134

I personally think that if WAR goes F2P, it will blow up. Now even though the game is RvR which is harder than PvE... it will increase action in tiers 2 and 3. Unfortunately i think the game is already doing a lot of F2P kind of things. The endless trial, the RvR packs, the appearance changes which can easily be turned into a cash item sucess... I think that if WAR will turn to a hybrid F2P model, it will give EA bigger guts to try the F2P model on a few other games.

Purpose in life is not to gain things, but experience. - Rover64dd

  amotholen

Novice Member

Joined: 4/30/10
Posts: 18

9/23/10 1:19:17 AM#135

f2p sucks!

and i dont like mmorpg articles which sounds like "f2p better than p2p or b2p".

LF PvP game...for years...

Current: changing game everyday
Played: Shaiya, Aion, Perfect World(short time), Aika
Tried: EQ2, DAOC, LOTR, Atlantica Online...
Future: Any pvp game..couldnt found yet...

  yaminsux

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/23/05
Posts: 619

9/23/10 1:25:19 AM#136

I think vanilla WoW should be F2p with cata coming up....i wish.

  Stealthm4n

Novice Member

Joined: 3/17/07
Posts: 4

9/23/10 3:51:47 AM#137

Regarding all the games I know on that list I'll totally have to second that list!

 

Most of all the #1 place Warhammer! Ok I'm not really into that game as I haven't played it since ~ 2 months after release. Resons being problems with my hardware and somewhat low player participation back then. The box is still lying right next to me though.

With a DDO-ish model I would definitely come back! (I like the DDO model pretty much) and try to play some of their truly awesome classes and kick some asses!

 

Hopefully this becomes true... and maybe before Guildwars 2 is released... because if Guildwars 2 keeps its promises I can see hardly anybody in GW2 way.

  Holst86

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/23/09
Posts: 24

9/23/10 4:03:31 AM#138
Originally posted by UndeadKing

Originally posted by Holst86


Warhammer online wont be f2p. It would totally ruin the whole point of the game.

I currently play WAR and I can only say that we had enough of these chinese/asian tendencies i.e gold seller/powerlvler spammers. To make a wrong turn and make it f2p(with other words make a western game asian) would ruin it all. A game that is based on character and player skills to gain progress the f2p model could only make it totally unfair.  Beside the carrie said that f2p wasn't a option at this time.

F2p is never a winning model. In asian f2p you only have the eternal grinding and the expensive item mall, with barely any game updates(and those updates who come are more than often full of bugs and flaws) and no quality at all. Asian f2p games give a feeling that the game developers only ambition is to earn cash. Real game developers makes game with passion and have ambitions to make a game that players want. In western f2p games you only see failure, less succesful game with no value(i.e DDO and LOTRO). They fail and they make them f2p to save whats able to save, ofc the f2p players get intrested but gamers like my self move on.

I dont encourage people to play f2p games since they're very expencive, lacks quality and they have no ambition to become anything in the world of gaming.

Pay the 12.99 euro a month and PLAY your way to the top and dont PAY to get there.

Warhammer as f2p? No thanks!

/a WAR player

 

LOL at your Lack Of Logic and racisism Holst!  Yes I agree goldfarmers and powerleveling services suck, unblance games, generate spam in chat channels and dump max leveled players who have no idea what they're doing into the game.  However that does not make everything Asian bad like you say it does that's just being racist and bigoted.  Also by saying F2P is bad because it's Asian on top of being racist and bigoted is an Ad Hominem or attack on the man failure of logic.  F2P especially the Turbine Model has a lot of potential and can make the game more accessible to other people who can't afford a monthly sub.

1. You should know that I was pointing out that asian MMO's was bad and poorly made. I frankly cant see what makes me racist and bigoted? Asians games are not bad because asian done them they're bad because the game devlopers in asia tend to think more about the profit and less a bout the quality of the game. Give me an  exampel of 3 or more asian f2p mmo's that have the standard and quality as WoW or WAR have?

 

You say that asian devs are nothing more than money grubbing player haters who are wholy evil and western devs are the angels of light who make games because they love their players and want them to have fun.  Let me correct your racists niavete, while individual devs in probably almost every case regardless of their ethnicity or where they live in the world want to make fun and enjoyable games it's also their job which means the games have to make money for the company so that the company can pay the devs.   So you're bigotry is wrong again.

2. Theres a difference to make a game to just earn cash and to make a game with passion and the motivation to make a good game and at the same time earn profit. I actually never mentioned ethnicity, but it sure gives one a thought when most of the mmo games from asian(china, korea, indonesia etc) lacks the quality of many(not all ofc) western games. Nothing racist, just fact and if you choose to call it racism then so be it, only proves your ignorance to that asians makes less good mmo's(for some reason).

 

Last thing I'm going to touch on is that you feel that LotRO is a failure.  Not because you've played pre and post F2P or probably ever.  Nor because you've seen how much money it's making or any concrete evidence that it's a failure.  No your entire ASSUMPTION is bases on the fact that LotRO is a failure because it's going F2P and your bigotry just knows that anything F2P is a failure because F2P is "inherently" asian in concept and your Racism makes you positive that anything asian is a failure.  You sir are a racist, a bigot and completely illogical, please keep your idiocy to yourself from now on.

3. I have played Lotro as a matter of fact, both as a p2p game and tried it as f2p. I can only say that it lacks the uniqueness that for example wow have and the quality(graphic, content and so one) to stick out in the mmo masses. Its simple to assume that because it was failing they made it f2p to attract more players. Since its way better than a standard f2p mmo it has potential to be large in the f2p world, sure, but in the p2p market it had no place.
I should clear that I never intended anything to be racist, I was just stating facts(which I base on my own experince and the experience of others which I in other hand have gained by playing mmo's) from my point of view. Ofc its simple, in the name of political correctness, to blame the opponents in a matter for being racist telling them to shut up cuz racist people have no saying.
I'm no racist BUT I dislike the methods asian(not Japanese) game developers use to earn money in the mmo industry i.e item mall and poorly made games with one purpose.
  Daitengu

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/03/08
Posts: 445

9/23/10 7:05:56 AM#139
Originally posted by Skuz

I am a formerly hardcore raider that dedicated 4hours a day plus to a game, a guild & a subscription, now I want to play casually & enjoy multiple games rather than be dedicated to just one, I did that for 10 years & now my gaming tastes are different, and I want to be able to choose on a whim what I want to play, I am not alone & I occupy a sizeable demographic and games companies are listening to it & creating products to cater to that, which does not mean games that suit your demographic will not get made.

I do not ask that ALL games change to F2p at all, I just would like to see more games that are open to hybridisation INCLUDING subscription options, rather than games be one or the other I'd rather they had the option to play & pay with more flexibility (I've pumped money into games for years funding their development if I liked them, either by way of sub or MT).

I have found that playing 1 sub game as my "Main game" & having several MT based games to play sporadically also stops me getting bored & burned out & quitting MMO's altogether, and I have a very normal life outside of gaming, which is my chosen hobby.

 

Back in my day the raids would be a 70 to 140 man affair and last 12 hours or more! Camping ment checking on a spawn for weeks to months at a time, and waiting in lines for 32 hours or more with no sleep just for the chance at a drop *shakes walking cane* and we liked it!

 

No actually that last part is the reason I refuse to be hardcore anymore lol.  I find I feel ya on hopin around on F2P MMOs Skuz. With the long grind that F2P games have, I feel burnout really fast, so after oh a week, I quit for a month or two.

 

More towards the topic, I'd like to see EQ be a F2P or a B2P considering they throw out a new expansion every what 3 to 6 months? I'd probably go back if I didn;t have to pay the sub.

  Gurgle

Novice Member

Joined: 3/27/06
Posts: 14

9/23/10 7:36:17 AM#140

I would definately play WAR for the scenario/RvR if it went F2P! Still got my Bright Wiz somewhere in there with max RR :) Generally i quit for the lack of pve/pvp content(dunno if they done anything with it lately).

10 Pages First « 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 » Search