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  Gruug

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9/22/10 12:10:46 AM#81

^^^I think you might want to look at EVE Online again Thomas2006. There numbers have actually been steadily growing and not declining. While CCP may be a small "indie" they certainly know what they are doing and have a pretty good product (especially compared to those other you listed).

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  Thomas2006

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9/22/10 12:26:14 AM#82
Originally posted by Gruug

^^^I think you might want to look at EVE Online again Thomas2006. There numbers have actually been steadily growing and not declining. While CCP may be a small "indie" they certainly know what they are doing and have a pretty good product (especially compared to those other you listed).

I didn't say any of them was declining or even dieing for that matter. I am saying that compared to other MMO's anything that has been different has done piss poor compared to the games that have been similar / alike World of Warcraft / the standard in MMO's.

And 40k-100k subscriptions is not exactly a screaming success in todays market. Eve Online has a leg up in that its cost of operation is very small do to its operations location. 

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  SuperXero89

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9/22/10 12:30:11 AM#83

Out of your list, I would say the game that has the best shot at being successful would be Warhammer.  The structure of the game fits a DDO-esque P2P model perfectly.  

As for Lineage II, I believe the game is already F2P in some countries, but at this point in the game's lifespan, it's doubtful that a F2P option would bring in very many new fans.  It never was tremendously successful in the US anyway.

  eyeswideopen

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9/22/10 12:39:36 AM#84
Originally posted by Thomas2006
Originally posted by Gruug

^^^I think you might want to look at EVE Online again Thomas2006. There numbers have actually been steadily growing and not declining. While CCP may be a small "indie" they certainly know what they are doing and have a pretty good product (especially compared to those other you listed).

I didn't say any of them was declining or even dieing for that matter. I am saying that compared to other MMO's anything that has been different has done piss poor compared to the games that have been similar / alike World of Warcraft / the standard in MMO's.

And 40k-100k subscriptions is not exactly a screaming success in todays market. Eve Online has a leg up in that its cost of operation is very small do to its operations location. 

Sorry, if a game only has 10,000 people subbed, but it's pulling in a nice profit and salaries for its devs while entertaining the players payng for it, then it is a "screaming success". Not everyone is so narrowminded that they think you need a lillion players or more to be a "success".

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  Loke666

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9/22/10 12:40:10 AM#85
Originally posted by SuperXero89

Out of your list, I would say the game that has the best shot at being successful would be Warhammer.  The structure of the game fits a DDO-esque P2P model perfectly.  

As for Lineage II, I believe the game is already F2P in some countries, but at this point in the game's lifespan, it's doubtful that a F2P option would bring in very many new fans.  It never was tremendously successful in the US anyway.

F2P is not a good combination with a PvP game. Pay to win is what players have commented in other games with less PvP than WAR, bad idea. F2P works best in PvE games. I don't think it would help WAR.

Vanguard is probably the game that has most to win by it, but it seems like SOE either isn't interested or plan to eveluate EQ2X first. Maybe they don't want a competitor like that for EQ Next.

But it all depends on how fine LOTRO and EQ2X actually are doing in the long run. LOTRO did get a lot of new players but we don't know if they will stay or buy stuff yet.  We can't be sure that it was a good idea in the long run yet, if it was more games will mostly follow.

And then we have GW2s B2P method, if GW2 becomes a huge success that might start to compete with F2P games. B2P is a good way to get in money too but so far have we only seen CORPGs using it, if a big regular MMO uses it then we will see more of that too.

  Novusod

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9/22/10 2:32:22 AM#86

 

 

 

I bet the next game to go F2P is AoC but after that these games are all posibilites:

Lineage II

WAR

AION

APB (reborn as F2P)

  Reizla

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9/22/10 2:35:03 AM#87
Originally posted by Loke666

F2P is not a good combination with a PvP game. Pay to win is what players have commented in other games with less PvP than WAR, bad idea. F2P works best in PvE games. I don't think it would help WAR.

But it all depends on how fine LOTRO and EQ2X actually are doing in the long run. LOTRO did get a lot of new players but we don't know if they will stay or buy stuff yet.  We can't be sure that it was a good idea in the long run yet, if it was more games will mostly follow.

And then we have GW2s B2P method, if GW2 becomes a huge success that might start to compete with F2P games. B2P is a good way to get in money too but so far have we only seen CORPGs using it, if a big regular MMO uses it then we will see more of that too.

 

I agree with that. Look at Allods, a supposedly F2P game. But if you look close at the itemshop you see that the game is actually a P2W game. Such a shame, since I would enjoy the game a lot more without itemshop and with subscription...

Don't keep your hopes up for EQ2X. I think that project of Pay-as-you-Go will fail bigtime. Okay, it's a nice idea ot giving away trials, but in the long run, regular EQ2 is way cheaper than EQ2X...

About LotRo... I think their way will be a huge success, since "subscription" unlocks the whole game. And if you're real casual, you can just use the Pay-as-you-Go option. 

Personally, I think in the long run, the DDO/LotRo system would benefit for most MMO's out there that are lacking a huge (250K+) player base. Though I still wonder why LotRo went this way, the game was doing pretty well in the EU (dunno about US though). I still think LotRo was converted to Pay-as-you-Go to fund the development of the game...

And yeah... GW2 (and others) B2P games... This would work fine with games as well, but that would somewhat force the developer to add content (expansions) on a very regular basis, where the expansions can be set loose of the main game. Too bad, most B2P games use a common meeting place and most of the game is instanced...

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  MurlockDance

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9/22/10 3:20:06 AM#88

I've only browsed quickly some comments but would like to add a few of my own:

I doubt that SoE will open up too many more of its games to F2A because otherwise the StationPass becomes obsolete. That might not be great business sense for a company that, despite the EQ2X server and Free Realms, is holding onto the subscription idea. The way EQ2X has been set up, SoE really does expect people to end up being at least a gold membership, which is equivalent for all intents and purposes to a normal subscription. I would be sort of surprised to see VG, SWG, etc. end up on the list of F2A games unless SoE decides to scrap its StationPass.

I wouldn't exactly call EQ2 one of the games that has joined the F2A bandwagon. It sort of has, but for the most part hasn't. It is only an extended trial. You can't do the same thing as you can do with LotRO and DDO where a person truly can buy everything in the cash shop a la carte. No matter how much money a bronze or silver players spends in the cash shop, they will still have restrictions that gold and Live players don't have. And then there's the fact that F2A is actually only on one server whereas the rest are all normal subscription servers.

 

I could see WAR becoming F2A actually and just extend its current trial. I think the highly instanced nature of WAR would make it a good game for a Turbine style of hybrid payment model as long as it didn't put equipment for sale in a cash shop. Then it would be failure since PvP and cash shops shouldn't mix.

For other MMOs that people think would be good F2A conversions, I wouldn't want to speculate because of course the danger is losing immersive play in the world and also ending up actually having to pay way more for games in the future. I don't really want to see those trends in my choice of hobby.

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  MurlockDance

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9/22/10 3:23:13 AM#89
Originally posted by Reizla

Don't keep your hopes up for EQ2X. I think that project of Pay-as-you-Go will fail bigtime. Okay, it's a nice idea ot giving away trials, but in the long run, regular EQ2 is way cheaper than EQ2X...

Well, there is one thing that EQ2X definitely has going for it over the Live servers. If you drop out of your gold or platinum membership, you can still play, just with the restrictions of bronze, or silver if you unlocked silver at some point. Of course if you end a Live subscription, you can't access your characters unless you've copied one of them over to the Extended server.

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  Reizla

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9/22/10 3:34:40 AM#90
Originally posted by MurlockDance
Originally posted by Reizla

Don't keep your hopes up for EQ2X. I think that project of Pay-as-you-Go will fail bigtime. Okay, it's a nice idea ot giving away trials, but in the long run, regular EQ2 is way cheaper than EQ2X...

Well, there is one thing that EQ2X definitely has going for it over the Live servers. If you drop out of your gold or platinum membership, you can still play, just with the restrictions of bronze, or silver if you unlocked silver at some point. Of course if you end a Live subscription, you can't access your characters unless you've copied one of them over to the Extended server.

Yeah, that much is true... But looking at the EQ2X "subscriptions" and compare them with EQ2 subscriptions, the choice is clear...

Copying a char from EQ2 to EQ2X would be a nice option, but it should be worth it. I mean $35 for a token to copy it and almost stripped of everything is no option IMO. Not to mention, the FAQ clearly states that as long as you have a subscription running for EQ2, your char in EQ2X will have gold status, but when you cancel the subscription, the copied char is back to bronze/silver status *WTF???*

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  Mahlo

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9/22/10 5:37:43 AM#91
Originally posted by Damarl
Originally posted by Mahlo

Originally posted by snoop101

I dont understand this F2P fetish that a lot of people have now a days. $10-$14 a month is really not that big of an issue. I heard of F2P games that cost way more then that in the long run. F2P really isnt F2P

$14 is a big issue if you don't just want one MMO to choose from. But f2p means you can dip in and out of games when you like. That appeals to me.

edit: oh and my money is on vanguard next

 

Whats the point in playing a MMO one month and another the next ? Since i've been playing MMOs, my goal was to get to the endgame and kill players (some prefer mobs). Why playing the game one day, then switch back to another the next day/weeks/month ? 

And... if its because you're playing 2+ MMO, i got the same question, why ? Ok maybe because you like playing a very good old MMo while you enjoy playing with friends on a new one, i can understand...well... i think. 

I dont wanna see every new MMO to be F2P, i dont want to see WAR going F2P as i might come back if one day they fix the damn game. Just started playing Fallen Earth and i dont want it to be F2P. F2P games bring lots of shit, a community of kids/adults that just cant undertsand that its a damn game and at the same time, they dont give a fuck about others.

I'd rather play with kids than self-righteous twats like you. You don't like f2p don't play them, stop telling other people what they should and shouldn't like. I play an MMO for a few weeks, I get bored. I go back to it later. Subbing to one MMO full time doesn't do it for me. I'm not telling you what to do. Stop telling me.

  liberalguy

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9/22/10 7:14:23 AM#92

It will be hilarious if SWG ever goes F2P and then still loses players. NGE = Not Good Enough

  OkhamsRazor

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9/22/10 7:53:26 AM#93

I tend to agree with a lot of the comments here Guild Wars in my opinion is the best model although I think the chances are we are more likly to see more hybrid models simply because a lot of developers will prefer to take the chance on a subscription based game then when that isn't successful they will change the model . What really needs to happen is they need to be realistic as to which model whould suit thier game best and for the most part mmo really are not worth the current subscription fee . Of the new batch of releases in the coming 18 months only Star Wars seams to stand out as one that might be .

As for the next games that might swtich to free to play I think its pretty obvious .... anything apart from EVE online and Warcraft . I noticed Pirates of the Burning Sea announced free to play this week as well .Another one to try . This is great news for mmo players . Inspite of all the bitching about it being bad nearly everyone I know that plays mmos supports it . Especially the hybrid and buy to play models .

  Zalonza

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9/22/10 8:04:07 AM#94

in WAR i hated fact u cant play as skaven my favourite race

  lmollea

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9/22/10 8:10:28 AM#95

  Tarka

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9/22/10 8:20:39 AM#96
Originally posted by liberalguy

It will be hilarious if SWG ever goes F2P and then still loses players. NGE = Not Good Enough

 I'm wondering if SOE are waiting for 12 months to see how SWTOR turns out.  If TOR doesn't do too well, then that maybe the right time to launch the announcement of SWG going F2P in order to grab those players.

Besides, coming back to the OP, with what SOE's been doing it wouldn't surprise me in the least if SOE announced that Vanguard and SWG were going F2P.

As for AOC, hmmm that's a tough one.  There isn't enough in the expansion to warrant allowing the "core" of the game to go F2P (like AO did).  I think Funcom perhaps are going to squeeze a bit more money out of it before it goes F2P.  Maybe in 12 months time.

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9/22/10 8:23:10 AM#97

make WoW F2P :D

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9/22/10 8:25:10 AM#98
Originally posted by thedarkess

make WoW F2P :D

 To be truthful, I'm surprised that Blizzard haven't made the "vanilla" part of WoW (levels 1 - 60 for the original races and their areas) F2P and kept subscriptions for those who purchased the expansions.  After all, that's were players are:  in the expansion areas.

  Sanguinelust

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9/22/10 8:33:16 AM#99
Originally posted by Tarka

Originally posted by thedarkess

make WoW F2P :D

 To be truthful, I'm surprised that Blizzard haven't made the "vanilla" part of WoW (levels 1 - 60 for the original races and their areas) F2P and kept subscriptions for those who purchased the expansions.  After all, that's were players are:  in the expansion areas.

 

With Cataclysm changing the landscape of the original wow I don't think that's going to happen.

  Beermangler

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9/22/10 9:38:38 AM#100
Originally posted by Rockgod99
Swg...
 

+1.

Better to be crazy, provided you know what sane is...

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