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  User Deleted
9/15/10 6:57:57 AM#41
Originally posted by Thrakk

from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

As seen in this revealing photo, the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives

You know what's really explosive? Two jet liners, full of fuel for cross-country trips, slamming into solid steel and concrete at incredibly high speed.

  User Deleted
9/15/10 6:59:41 AM#42
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by seabass2003
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by daarco

As i said earlier, Building #7 is the whole reason im wery sceptic about the whole event. I mean, there should be nothing weird about this at all.

But one another building that WTC ownes collapses in the exatly same way and time as the twin towers....a few blocks away!! C`mon!

okay - I found the best youtube yet. it was just posted yesterday.

the Architects & Engineers for 911Truth  have hard facts that explain that building 7 couldn't have possibly been taken down any other way then explosives.

Dude, go one post up. That link explains everything you wanted to know.

I couldn't find any rebuttal to that exact part I linked to on the youtube

Hence, clearly a conspiracy.

Be skeptical. I encourage it. But just do not dismiss the mountains of evidence against it being an inside job because one thing doesn't quite jibe with how flying an airplane into a building (not exactly a well-tested thing) is supposed to work.

  User Deleted
9/15/10 7:09:51 AM#43
Originally posted by Thrakk

from an article by Missy Comley Beattie (her nephew died in Iraq)

...

Why did it take two hours for standard air defense operating procedures to be put in place when there was an obvious attack on the United States?

Because it wasn't obvious. Nobody knew what the hell was happening.

Why, when George Bush had been briefed (August 6, 2001) that Osama bin Laden was determined to strike within the United States, did he do nothing to prevent an attack?

Because he and his staff were blisteringly incompetent, and treated terrorism as "a Clinton thing" and preferred to concentrate their efforts on the former Soviet bloc.

Why, when the north tower was hit, were people told to remain in the building and why weren’t those in the south tower immediately evacuated?

Because the north tower security people were idiots.

Why was then Attorney General John Ashcroft told to avoid commercial air travel in the days before 9/11?

I have not seen one iota of evidence that proves this is actually true. Also, there was chatter leading up to 9/11, even if it wasn't specific. Perhaps he was told to avoid commercial air travel because something might come up and he was the Attorney General of the United States, which is probably the highest government office that might need it?

Why was Henry Kissinger selected to chair the 9/11 Commission when he had an obvious conflict of interest—one exposed by Lorie Van Auken when she asked if his consulting firm had any Saudi clients named bin Laden?

Henry Kissinger didn't chair the 9/11 commission. He wasn't ON the 9/11 commission. Tom Kean and Lee Hamilton chaired it.

9/11 commission members are listed on the far right of the page

Why did the mainstream media fail to accomplish what Paul Thompson achieved when he compiled an online timeline of reports and articles that became the basis for his book, The Terror Timeline, whose content is the foundation for the film?

What? Who the shit is Paul Thompson and why does he matter?

Why did the United States invade Afghanistan?

Because the Taliban, the fundamentalist regime running Afghanistan, was harboring Osama Bin Laden, the man who led the organization responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

Why did the US allow Osama bin Laden to escape from Tora Bora?

This one's easy. Because if we catch Bin Laden, the War on Terror is ostensibly over (to the people). After 9/11, it was in the Bush Administration's best interests to keep the War on Terror going, which is a big reason we invaded Iraq.

Why were al-Qa’ida and Taliban members flown from Afghanistan to Pakistan?

Link?

What role did Pakistan play in 9/11, and why did the US ally with this country?

We were allies with Pakistan LONG before 9/11, because they have teh nukes.

Why did the chief of Pakistani intelligence (ISI) order Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, a man who was both a member of al-Qa’ida and the ISI, to wire $100,000 to Mohammad Atta?

Link?

Why did members of the Bush Administration meet with that same chief of Pakistani intelligence in the weeks and months prior to 9/11?

Because he was the chief of Pakistani intelligence?

Why, given all that was exposed by Paul Thompson, did the 9/11 Commission find that the events of September 11, 2001 were the result of a “failure of imagination”?

I googled Paul Thompson. He didn't "expose" shit other than whacked out theories over what MIGHT have happened.

Americans need to know what happened that day. Why? Not just because we owe it to those who died and to their families but, also, because every single day, our country commits acts of unspeakable horror in the name of 9/11.

...

When I view 9/11 and the U.S. government's culpability, I think of Hanlon's Razor:

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

  User Deleted
9/15/10 7:12:46 AM#44
Originally posted by HYPERI0N
Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff
Originally posted by Vomikron
Originally posted by sif-lawd
Originally posted by Thrakk

okay, you posted just to troll then?

Uh, no, I posted to say that I think 9/11 conspiracy theories are bullshit. You mad, bro?

 Wow.  I'm in agreement with Sif-lawd.

Me too. It's almost shocking.

Not really it just showws a certain level of sanity.

Thanks?

I'm not a lunatic, despite powder and Faxxer's attempts to paint me as one. I'm very pragmatic and very cognizant of what is plausible or logical and what is completely cloud cuckoolander territory.

  User Deleted
9/15/10 7:13:48 AM#45
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
or the moon is made of green cheese.

WHOA. You mean it's not? HERETIC.

  kiddyno071

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Joined: 5/17/06
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9/15/10 10:21:31 AM#46

So why did building #7 collapse can anyone share a credible link and not some wacked out you tube video of someones conspiracy... I honstly cannot remember if it was struck by any debris... it is sort of odd that neither the building between the WTC and # 7 never collapsed nor did any of the other surrounding buildings. Now I'm not buying into any conspiracy but all of them this one gives me the most pause... 

  Josher

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Joined: 7/25/03
Posts: 2836

9/15/10 11:34:10 AM#47

Again, to the conspiracy nuts, why go through a billion convoluted hoops, kill all those people, involve civilians, which you'd HAVE TO to set all those charges, just to do what 1 planted small cache of WMDs in a desert  would've accomplished?  You only involve military so its controlled, you can eliminate witnesses easily, you don't kill any Americans, you don't cause the world economy to stop in its tracks and you have an obvious motive to "invade".  If  Sadam denied the weapons were his, who the hell would believe him since he's a pathological liar?  Occam's Razor applies perfectly.  Conspiracy nuts are insane.

They sound like kids trying to think up a new way to not turn in their homework=)

  seabass2003

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Joined: 8/31/05
Posts: 4158

Why the hell should I work? She''ll just spend all my money on shoes anyways!

9/15/10 12:18:18 PM#48
Originally posted by kiddyno071

So why did building #7 collapse can anyone share a credible link and not some wacked out you tube video of someones conspiracy... I honstly cannot remember if it was struck by any debris... it is sort of odd that neither the building between the WTC and # 7 never collapsed nor did any of the other surrounding buildings. Now I'm not buying into any conspiracy but all of them this one gives me the most pause... 

I did in post 33. It basically said a bunch of shit busted through the side of the building. It then caught fire and burned from the inside until it was unstable.

In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.

  kiddyno071

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Joined: 5/17/06
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9/15/10 12:48:20 PM#49
Originally posted by seabass2003
Originally posted by kiddyno071

So why did building #7 collapse can anyone share a credible link and not some wacked out you tube video of someones conspiracy... I honstly cannot remember if it was struck by any debris... it is sort of odd that neither the building between the WTC and # 7 never collapsed nor did any of the other surrounding buildings. Now I'm not buying into any conspiracy but all of them this one gives me the most pause... 

I did in post 33. It basically said a bunch of shit busted through the side of the building. It then caught fire and burned from the inside until it was unstable.

 Thanks Bass! I think people need to be careful with throwing conspiracy theories around next thing you someone might think our President was born in Kenya. LOL!

  seabass2003

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Joined: 8/31/05
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Why the hell should I work? She''ll just spend all my money on shoes anyways!

9/15/10 12:50:03 PM#50
Originally posted by sif-lawd
Originally posted by Thrakk

from an article by Missy Comley Beattie (her nephew died in Iraq)

...

Why did it take two hours for standard air defense operating procedures to be put in place when there was an obvious attack on the United States?

Because it wasn't obvious. Nobody knew what the hell was happening. Exactly, has this ever happened before in our history? No, even if you are trained for it you might not believe it is actually happening. Also, you better know WTF is really going onbefore you start shooting down passenger planes filled with hundreds of people.

Why, when George Bush had been briefed (August 6, 2001) that Osama bin Laden was determined to strike within the United States, did he do nothing to prevent an attack?

Because he and his staff were blisteringly incompetent, and treated terrorism as "a Clinton thing" and preferred to concentrate their efforts on the former Soviet bloc. Also, at this point the CIA and FBI work independently and autonomous of all other intelligence and law enforcement agencies. This has since been changed.

Why, when the north tower was hit, were people told to remain in the building and why weren’t those in the south tower immediately evacuated?

Because the north tower security people were idiots. Most people didn't think the tower would actually collapse. It had been bombed before and did just fine. False sense of security from a previous experience.

Why was then Attorney General John Ashcroft told to avoid commercial air travel in the days before 9/11?

I have not seen one iota of evidence that proves this is actually true. Also, there was chatter leading up to 9/11, even if it wasn't specific. Perhaps he was told to avoid commercial air travel because something might come up and he was the Attorney General of the United States, which is probably the highest government office that might need it? Most high ranking government officials have their own private govt. planes they use. The white house probably said "Hey, stop taking those commercial planes and use the govt. ones. That's what they are there for." Also, he was put in office on February 2, 2001. Probably wasn't sure what he could and couldn't use until he was told differently.

Why was Henry Kissinger selected to chair the 9/11 Commission when he had an obvious conflict of interest—one exposed by Lorie Van Auken when she asked if his consulting firm had any Saudi clients named bin Laden?

Henry Kissinger didn't chair the 9/11 commission. He wasn't ON the 9/11 commission. Tom Kean and Lee Hamilton chaired it. Do you even know who Henry Kissinger is? Maybe you should look him up on wiki. The dude has been around for a long time and knows a lot of stuff.

9/11 commission members are listed on the far right of the page

Why did the mainstream media fail to accomplish what Paul Thompson achieved when he compiled an online timeline of reports and articles that became the basis for his book, The Terror Timeline, whose content is the foundation for the film?

What? Who the shit is Paul Thompson and why does he matter? The book was compiled by a Stanford University alumnus and 9/11 researcher who goes by the pseudonym "Paul Thompson". Why is he hiding behind a name?

Why did the United States invade Afghanistan?

Because the Taliban, the fundamentalist regime running Afghanistan, was harboring Osama Bin Laden, the man who led the organization responsible for the 9/11 attacks. This was self explanatory, that's where the bad guys were!

Why did the US allow Osama bin Laden to escape from Tora Bora?

This one's easy. Because if we catch Bin Laden, the War on Terror is ostensibly over (to the people). After 9/11, it was in the Bush Administration's best interests to keep the War on Terror going, which is a big reason we invaded Iraq. It also had to do with trying to give credit to a multinational force against terror and they wanted to help make another country look good by doing the capturing (Pakistani coup screwed things up). That was the first time (under Clinton), the second time it was just a failure to not commit enough ground troops to accomplish the mission.

Why were al-Qa’ida and Taliban members flown from Afghanistan to Pakistan?

Link? Most likely to get away from the U.S. who was dealing with a new govt. in Pakistan. 

What role did Pakistan play in 9/11, and why did the US ally with this country?

We were allies with Pakistan LONG before 9/11, because they have teh nukes. We were allies, then they had a coup, then they realized terrorists were attacking them too. So they reaffirmed being our allies in the war on terror.

Why did the chief of Pakistani intelligence (ISI) order Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, a man who was both a member of al-Qa’ida and the ISI, to wire $100,000 to Mohammad Atta?

Link? Can you tell me why the chief of the CIA does what he does, in certain situations? How bout the head of the FBI? It's way above your pay grade buddy.

Why did members of the Bush Administration meet with that same chief of Pakistani intelligence in the weeks and months prior to 9/11?

Because he was the chief of Pakistani intelligence? LMAO, derp herp a derp. Exactly, you meet with the people that know WTF is going on. Maybe the administration shold have had a meeting with that one goat herder out on the lonely mountain?

Why, given all that was exposed by Paul Thompson, did the 9/11 Commission find that the events of September 11, 2001 were the result of a “failure of imagination”?

I googled Paul Thompson. He didn't "expose" shit other than whacked out theories over what MIGHT have happened. Before 9/11 could you imagine a group of people taking control of 4 airliners and crashing them into buildings? Sorry, but most sane people never really thought about this actually happening. Usually when a plane is taken over there is an objective, whether it is money, fame or whatever but it has never been used as a weapon until that day.

Americans need to know what happened that day. Why? Not just because we owe it to those who died and to their families but, also, because every single day, our country commits acts of unspeakable horror in the name of 9/11.

...

When I view 9/11 and the U.S. government's culpability, I think of Hanlon's Razor:

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

When you have all the people here who disagree on pretty much everything agreeing on this one subject. You have a problem with your conspiracy.

In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.

  Thrakk

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Joined: 2/10/06
Posts: 1209

If you’re carrying nothing it won’t weigh you down

 
OP  9/15/10 3:32:36 PM#51
Originally posted by seabass2003
Originally posted by kiddyno071

So why did building #7 collapse can anyone share a credible link and not some wacked out you tube video of someones conspiracy... I honstly cannot remember if it was struck by any debris... it is sort of odd that neither the building between the WTC and # 7 never collapsed nor did any of the other surrounding buildings. Now I'm not buying into any conspiracy but all of them this one gives me the most pause... 

I did in post 33. It basically said a bunch of shit busted through the side of the building. It then caught fire and burned from the inside until it was unstable.

you just debuked it using layman's terms. the same terms that allowed the Nist investigation to believe there was no conspiracy involved.

the fact is that your link didn't explain the things Architects and Engineers question at exactly 6:45 minutes into this youtube I linked before

  Thrakk

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If you’re carrying nothing it won’t weigh you down

 
OP  9/15/10 3:38:14 PM#52

Why did it take two hours for standard air defense operating procedures to be put in place when there was an obvious attack on the United States?

Because it wasn't obvious. Nobody knew what the hell was happening. Exactly, has this ever happened before in our history? No, even if you are trained for it you might not believe it is actually happening. Also, you better know WTF is really going onbefore you start shooting down passenger planes filled with hundreds of people.

But why was there no defense at the Pentagon attack. (what we were supposed to believe youtube)

"As the attack unfolded, news reports stated that Cheney had been whisked to a secret and secure location -- later revealed to be the Presidential Emergency Operating Center in the basement of the White House. Cheney was with National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, directing the response to the attack. Or was he directing the attack? The testimony of Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta is suggestive in this regard.

MR. HAMILTON: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?

MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" 2  

Hamilton indicates that "the orders" were to shoot down commercial aircraft. But Mineta's account makes more sense if "the orders" were not to shoot down any such aircraft. The repeated questioning of Cheney by the junior officer whether "the orders still stand" had to be about whether the order NOT to destroy them still stood. Given the two prior attacks against the Twin Towers using the commercial airliners as weapons, an order to destroy the plane approaching the Pentagon would be the only order to give and would not be subject to question by a junior officer as the plane approached. Furthermore, had Cheney's order been to fire on the plane approaching the Pentagon (which first came near the White House), the anti-missile anti-aircraft capacity of the Pentagon (or White House), would have sufficed to take out that plane, and certainly to have attempted to take out that plane. Neither occurred, and since Mineta does not speak of a last-second change by Cheney, the only supportable conclusion is that Cheney's order was NOT to defend the Pentagon, an order so contrary to both common sense and military defense that it, and it alone, explains the repeated questioning by the junior officer. 3  "

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OP  9/15/10 3:58:38 PM#53

Why is it, not 1 of the alleged 19 hijackers made it onto any of the 4 passenger lists that day?

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