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  Thrakk

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OP  9/13/10 9:21:02 PM#21

here's a top 20 reasons of doubt from Scholars for  9/11 Truth website (don't know how old this list is)

here's an older top 40 reasons to doubt from 911truth.org

on another site a sort of annoying speaker (good list though) has 50 facts of things that don't add up (he points out viable motives and inconsistincies of several things that went down up regarding 9/11 - up to present day)

 

I'll add more lists with edit as I find them

  Thrakk

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OP  9/13/10 9:24:26 PM#22

from an article by Missy Comley Beattie (her nephew died in Iraq)

...

Why did it take two hours for standard air defense operating procedures to be put in place when there was an obvious attack on the United States?

Why, when George Bush had been briefed (August 6, 2001) that Osama bin Laden was determined to strike within the United States, did he do nothing to prevent an attack?

Why, when the north tower was hit, were people told to remain in the building and why weren’t those in the south tower immediately evacuated?

Why was then Attorney General John Ashcroft told to avoid commercial air travel in the days before 9/11?

Why was Henry Kissinger selected to chair the 9/11 Commission when he had an obvious conflict of interest—one exposed by Lorie Van Auken when she asked if his consulting firm had any Saudi clients named bin Laden?

Why did the mainstream media fail to accomplish what Paul Thompson achieved when he compiled an online timeline of reports and articles that became the basis for his book, The Terror Timeline, whose content is the foundation for the film?

Why did the United States invade Afghanistan?

Why did the US allow Osama bin Laden to escape from Tora Bora?

Why were al-Qa’ida and Taliban members flown from Afghanistan to Pakistan?

What role did Pakistan play in 9/11, and why did the US ally with this country?

Why did the chief of Pakistani intelligence (ISI) order Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, a man who was both a member of al-Qa’ida and the ISI, to wire $100,000 to Mohammad Atta?

Why did members of the Bush Administration meet with that same chief of Pakistani intelligence in the weeks and months prior to 9/11?

Why, given all that was exposed by Paul Thompson, did the 9/11 Commission find that the events of September 11, 2001 were the result of a “failure of imagination”?

Americans need to know what happened that day. Why? Not just because we owe it to those who died and to their families but, also, because every single day, our country commits acts of unspeakable horror in the name of 9/11.

...

  Thrakk

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OP  9/13/10 9:38:25 PM#23

from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

As seen in this revealing photo, the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:

  1. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
  2. Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
  3. Extremely rapid onset of destruction
  4. Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
  5. Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally
  6. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
  7. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
  8. 1200-foot-dia. debris field: no "pancaked" floors found
  9. Isolated explosive ejections 20 – 40 stories below demolition front
  10. Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
  11. Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
  12. Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
  13. Evidence of explosives found in dust samples
  14. No precedent for steel-framed high-rise collapse due to fire

And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.

  1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
  2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
  3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
  4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”

 

onto Building #7

WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:

1. Rapid onset of "collapse"

2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a second before the building's destruction

3.Symmetrical "structural failure" -- through the path of greatest resistance -- at free-fall acceleration

4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint

5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds

6. Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional

7. Fore-knowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY

In the the aftermath of WTC7's destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendary devices was discovered:

8. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples

9. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly-qualified witnesses

10. Chemical signature of thermite (high tech incendiary) found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples

WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.

1. Slow onset with large visible deformations

2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)

3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel

4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never "collapsed".

  zchmrkenhoff

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9/13/10 10:21:27 PM#24

The result of all of this is that you are able to draw no definitive conclusion about anything. What is this accomplishing again?

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  deviliscious

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9/13/10 11:12:26 PM#25
Originally posted by Thrakk

well, on the thread of the 11 most compelling conspiracies there is some batshit insane stuff like jews staying home from work and flight 93 didn't really crash and instead landed safely somewhere and had its passengers killed/hidden, and that the crash site was faked with scorched earth and airplane parts

but this one youtube is good enough reason for 9/11 to be re-examined

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNtTcS2vrUg

reading the comments on the youtube page is very interesting

 So what do you think happened? Do you think they are covering up that someone might have sold Thermite on the black market to terrorists? Or are you propsing that the US government did this? I am curious as to what exactly you are proposing they are covering up here?

It is well known that members of the US military have sold things they were never supposed to for quite some time, and that our military is not  proud of these things. Hell, we have even had our very own soldiers work as mercenary hit men for drug cartels. This does not mean that the US government was involved, no, It just means some of our soldiers are traitors.

  HYPERI0N

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9/14/10 10:13:24 AM#26
Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff
Originally posted by Vomikron
Originally posted by sif-lawd
Originally posted by Thrakk

okay, you posted just to troll then?

Uh, no, I posted to say that I think 9/11 conspiracy theories are bullshit. You mad, bro?

 Wow.  I'm in agreement with Sif-lawd.

Me too. It's almost shocking.

Not really it just showws a certain level of sanity.

Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981

  daarco

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9/14/10 11:42:19 AM#27

As i said earlier, Building #7 is the whole reason im wery sceptic about the whole event. I mean, there should be nothing weird about this at all.

But one another building that WTC ownes collapses in the exatly same way and time as the twin towers....a few blocks away!! C`mon!

  kiddyno071

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9/14/10 11:48:58 AM#28
Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff
What's your intent? Are you trying to incite us to do something? The only thing that 9/11 conspiracies achieve is civil unrest... and as we can learn from Vietnam, our leadership cares quite a lot about what the people think... if they perceive that the whole populus is going mad over this fantasy that 9/11 was caused by alien invaders or... secret government agents planting bombs... then what are they meant to think?

We're becoming a nation of skeptics and crazies... it is essential that we have trust for our leaders and aren't trying to undermine everything that they do and it make it seem like they're trying to make us all slaves.

If there is one thing that America will show to the future world, it is that democracy becomes a problem when a vast segment of your population is full of these ignorant, skeptical cults that are so out-of-touch with reality that your system isn't really able to function anymore.

Edward Gibbon blamed the fall of the Roman Empire on a loss of civic virtue... do we really have to let this be the case again before we learn the importance of being sane, trusting individuals in a working society?

 ... is where I bring up talking heads like Beck, Rush, Hannity, etc? Because thats what they and their ilk do on a daily basis.

  Ihmotepp

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9/14/10 12:00:19 PM#29
Originally posted by HYPERI0N
Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff
Originally posted by Vomikron
Originally posted by sif-lawd
Originally posted by Thrakk

okay, you posted just to troll then?

Uh, no, I posted to say that I think 9/11 conspiracy theories are bullshit. You mad, bro?

 Wow.  I'm in agreement with Sif-lawd.

Me too. It's almost shocking.

Not really it just showws a certain level of sanity.

 

Agreed. Really bad guys took over planes loaded with jet feul, and flew them into buildings.

Anything else is just looney toons.

Maybe you think the US deserved it, maybe you want to root for the Jihadists, maybe you're just confused with your ideas of moral relativism, etc. you can have your own politicla agenda. Maybe you're a communist, or you support Jihad, your you just hate the evil capitalist corporations of the US, etc.

But coming up with any other description of the events is just goofy and full on conspiracy theory nutcase. You might as well say aliens destroyed the twin towers, or the moon is made of green cheese.

  kiddyno071

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9/14/10 12:01:17 PM#30

The Discovery channel had a great documentary on the WTC and discussion about the engineering flaw of the WTC that resulted in the collapse. I remember thinking that it made sense, I am not engineer or believe that it was an inside job either. I can't remember the name of it either but I'm sure you could find it if you wanted to watch it.

I will admit it is odd that of all the building in and around the WTC that #7 is also damaged... I seem to remember that there was some significant debris from the other buildings that had stuck this building... I'll need to look into this some more.

  Ihmotepp

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9/14/10 12:03:00 PM#31
Originally posted by Thrakk

from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

As seen in this revealing photo, the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:

 

If you believe the twin towers were destroyed by anything except airplanes full of jet full, then it reveals you're a nutjob that believes in conspiracy theories, nothing else.

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9/14/10 12:48:26 PM#32

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155282

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  seabass2003

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9/14/10 1:21:52 PM#33

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  Thrakk

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OP  9/14/10 5:25:43 PM#34
Originally posted by daarco

As i said earlier, Building #7 is the whole reason im wery sceptic about the whole event. I mean, there should be nothing weird about this at all.

But one another building that WTC ownes collapses in the exatly same way and time as the twin towers....a few blocks away!! C`mon!

okay - I found the best youtube yet. it was just posted yesterday.

the Architects & Engineers for 911Truth  have hard facts that explain that building 7 couldn't have possibly been taken down any other way then explosives.

  seabass2003

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9/14/10 5:35:15 PM#35
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by daarco

As i said earlier, Building #7 is the whole reason im wery sceptic about the whole event. I mean, there should be nothing weird about this at all.

But one another building that WTC ownes collapses in the exatly same way and time as the twin towers....a few blocks away!! C`mon!

okay - I found the best youtube yet. it was just posted yesterday.

the Architects & Engineers for 911Truth  have hard facts that explain that building 7 couldn't have possibly been taken down any other way then explosives.

Dude, go one post up. That link explains everything you wanted to know.

In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.

  Thrakk

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OP  9/14/10 5:45:27 PM#36
Originally posted by seabass2003
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by daarco

As i said earlier, Building #7 is the whole reason im wery sceptic about the whole event. I mean, there should be nothing weird about this at all.

But one another building that WTC ownes collapses in the exatly same way and time as the twin towers....a few blocks away!! C`mon!

okay - I found the best youtube yet. it was just posted yesterday.

the Architects & Engineers for 911Truth  have hard facts that explain that building 7 couldn't have possibly been taken down any other way then explosives.

Dude, go one post up. That link explains everything you wanted to know.

I couldn't find any rebuttal to that exact part I linked to on the youtube

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9/14/10 6:09:02 PM#37
Originally posted by Ihmotepp

 

 

If you believe the twin towers were destroyed by anything except airplanes full of jet full, then it reveals you're a nutjob that believes in conspiracy theories, nothing else.

 Pretty much. 

 

  Thrakk

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OP  9/14/10 6:52:25 PM#38
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by seabass2003
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by daarco

As i said earlier, Building #7 is the whole reason im wery sceptic about the whole event. I mean, there should be nothing weird about this at all.

But one another building that WTC ownes collapses in the exatly same way and time as the twin towers....a few blocks away!! C`mon!

okay - I found the best youtube yet. it was just posted yesterday.

the Architects & Engineers for 911Truth  have hard facts that explain that building 7 couldn't have possibly been taken down any other way then explosives.

Dude, go one post up. That link explains everything you wanted to know.

I couldn't find any rebuttal to that exact part I linked to on the youtube

at this point I have no reason to believe anything other than what I see with my eyes.

and that is a conspiracy. the attacks were allowed to happen

  seabass2003

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9/14/10 8:57:08 PM#39
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by seabass2003
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by daarco

As i said earlier, Building #7 is the whole reason im wery sceptic about the whole event. I mean, there should be nothing weird about this at all.

But one another building that WTC ownes collapses in the exatly same way and time as the twin towers....a few blocks away!! C`mon!

okay - I found the best youtube yet. it was just posted yesterday.

the Architects & Engineers for 911Truth  have hard facts that explain that building 7 couldn't have possibly been taken down any other way then explosives.

Dude, go one post up. That link explains everything you wanted to know.

I couldn't find any rebuttal to that exact part I linked to on the youtube

at this point I have no reason to believe anything other than what I see with my eyes.

and that is a conspiracy. the attacks were allowed to happen

I think the easiest way to debunk all this is by pointing out how many people would have to be involved in order for this to be successfully done. There would have to be thousands, possibly tens of thousands of people involved and there is no way you could get every one to go along with it. Also, I couldn't imagine some one not coming forth after it happened simply out of guilt or just because they had the truth and wanted the attention.

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OP  9/14/10 9:23:05 PM#40
Originally posted by seabass2003
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by seabass2003
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Originally posted by daarco

As i said earlier, Building #7 is the whole reason im wery sceptic about the whole event. I mean, there should be nothing weird about this at all.

But one another building that WTC ownes collapses in the exatly same way and time as the twin towers....a few blocks away!! C`mon!

okay - I found the best youtube yet. it was just posted yesterday.

the Architects & Engineers for 911Truth  have hard facts that explain that building 7 couldn't have possibly been taken down any other way then explosives.

Dude, go one post up. That link explains everything you wanted to know.

I couldn't find any rebuttal to that exact part I linked to on the youtube

at this point I have no reason to believe anything other than what I see with my eyes.

and that is a conspiracy. the attacks were allowed to happen

I think the easiest way to debunk all this is by pointing out how many people would have to be involved in order for this to be successfully done. There would have to be thousands, possibly tens of thousands of people involved and there is no way you could get every one to go along with it. Also, I couldn't imagine some one not coming forth after it happened simply out of guilt or just because they had the truth and wanted the attention.

straying away from the evidence at the center of these quotes but here is a decent right up about "too big of a conspiracy"

it's not like all of Nist had to be in on it to do a bad job with the investigation. but yes, I see how a conspiracy like this can be hard to fathom. if this conspiracy is real, it would have the biggest impact on America since 9/11.

in the youtube I posted the architects and engineers for 9/11 truth make several good points that don't have a rebuttal.

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