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  Thrakk

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OP  9/02/10 5:59:37 PM#1

Originally posted by Thrakk

    If Obama's "sympathy for the Muslim faith" or rather sympathy for the freedom of religion helps terrorists think twice about bombing USA (or maybe decide to bomb a different country) then good for us. I don't want terrorists bombing any country but I rather it not be mine.

  Originally posted by Zindaihas

    That's not practical reasoning.  Simply showing sympathy is not going to satisfy the Muslims who want Sharia Law to be imposed on the United States.

    We just pulled the last of our combat troops out of Iraq proving that we did not come to conquer but to set free.  And the Iraqi people have been governing themsleves for years now.  But that's not good enough to convince the jihadists.  To them we are still the "Great Satan" and worthy only of being conquered.  Do think saying, "Let's be friends" will appease them?

    They will say "Let's be friends" only after we are bowing down to Mecca five times a day (or is it six?).

Originally posted by Thrakk

    I know it's not enough but encouraging freedom of religion is better than nothing or discouraging the freedom of religion. That's all I'm saying.

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It turns out I was right unfortunately

NEWSWEEK: Taliban Using Mosque Controversy for Recruits, Donations and Popular Support

Taliban officials know it’s sacrilegious to hope a mosque will not be built, but that’s exactly what they’re wishing for: the success of the fiery campaign to block the proposed Islamic cultural center and prayer room near the site of the Twin Towers in lower Manhattan. “By preventing this mosque from being built, America is doing us a big favor,” Taliban operative Zabihullah tells NEWSWEEK. (Like many Afghans, he uses a single name.) “It’s providing us with more recruits, donations, and popular support.”

“The more mosques you stop, the more jihadis we will get,” says Zabihullah

  Ihmotepp

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9/02/10 6:03:57 PM#2

Don't be duped.

People don't decide to kill babies with IED's and suicide bombs becaues a Mosque was built, or not built.

They're going to do that whether the Mosque is built, or not built.

  Josher

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9/02/10 6:10:14 PM#3

Bascially, if you have any problems with us, you'll die.  If you do nothing, you'll die too.  The more you do or don't do, the more people we get to kill you.  DIE, DIE, DIE infidel=)

  Wickersham

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9/02/10 6:17:09 PM#4

Everytime you contradict your own laws or try to make acceptions that betray your laws, the terrorists cause is advanced.

When you say America means "_________" and through your fear of them you don't do "_________" - they win.

"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"

  Ihmotepp

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9/02/10 6:26:14 PM#5
Originally posted by Wickersham

Everytime you contradict your own laws or try to make acceptions that betray your laws, the terrorists cause is advanced.

When you say America means "_________" and through your fear of them you don't do "_________" - they win.

 

how do they win? Democracy is not a suicide pact.

  Thrakk

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OP  9/02/10 6:38:20 PM#6

 



Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Don't be duped.
People don't decide to kill babies with IED's and suicide bombs becaues a Mosque was built, or not built.
They're going to do that whether the Mosque is built, or not built.

Encouraging freedom of religion is better than discouraging the freedom of religion

FIXED
or do you disagree with what I wrote in my fix?

(if you reply to this post, reply to that first. It's straight from the OP - the main topic of this thread)

Jon Stewart said it best when he said "we need to go back to not giving a fuck about what the terrorists think". We need to stick to our core American Principles. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness for all Americans. Freedom of Speech, Assembly, and Religion. The right to bear arms and the right to due process.

Many of the positions the right wing has taken over the past decade have only played into the Taliban's and other terrorist groups hands. They've been the best recruiting tools the terrorists could have ever hoped for.

  Wickersham

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9/02/10 6:43:19 PM#7
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Originally posted by Wickersham

Everytime you contradict your own laws or try to make acceptions that betray your laws, the terrorists cause is advanced.

When you say America means "_________" and through your fear of them you don't do "_________" - they win.

 

how do they win? Democracy is not a suicide pact.

 The US Constitution defines what your nation is.

If Americans think or act against the US Constitution they're no longer American.

Terrorists can't destroy America with bombs and bullets, but they can get you to betray yourselves because of fear and because of your fear if you had true democracy you'd of cut your own throats by now.

"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"

  Ihmotepp

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9/02/10 6:49:36 PM#8
Originally posted by Wickersham
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Originally posted by Wickersham

Everytime you contradict your own laws or try to make acceptions that betray your laws, the terrorists cause is advanced.

When you say America means "_________" and through your fear of them you don't do "_________" - they win.

 

how do they win? Democracy is not a suicide pact.

 The US Constitution defines what your nation is.

If Americans think or act against the US Constitution they're no longer American.

Terrorists can't destroy America with bombs and bullets, but they can get you to betray yourselves because of fear and because of your fear if you had true democracy you'd of cut your own throats by now.

 

Nothing in the Constitution says you have to be politically correct to the point that you subvert Democracy nad Freedom.

Democracy is not a suicide pact.

No one want's "true democracy" if you mean a tyranny of the majority.

That is no better than Theocracy, Communism, or Dictatorship.

I don't see how you can say the most powerful nation on the planet is fearful.

The US can turn any nation to glass if it wants, and has fought a war in the harshest conditions, for over 10 years, in two countries at the same time.

Meanwhile, life goes on as usual in the US.

How is that "fearful"?

  kiddyno071

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9/02/10 7:33:15 PM#9
Originally posted by Thrakk

 



Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Don't be duped.
People don't decide to kill babies with IED's and suicide bombs becaues a Mosque was built, or not built.
They're going to do that whether the Mosque is built, or not built.

Encouraging freedom of religion is better than discouraging the freedom of religion


FIXED
or do you disagree with what I wrote in my fix?

(if you reply to this post, reply to that first. It's straight from the OP - the main topic of this thread)

Jon Stewart said it best when he said "we need to go back to not giving a fuck about what the terrorists think". We need to stick to our core American Principles. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness for all Americans. Freedom of Speech, Assembly, and Religion. The right to bear arms and the right to due process.

Many of the positions the right wing has taken over the past decade have only played into the Taliban's and other terrorist groups hands. They've been the best recruiting tools the terrorists could have ever hoped for.

 I 100% agree with you and I said something very similar on my FB page when discussing the issue.  I think Imho is just wrong... it is not about being PC or a suicide pact, and unless he or someone else can prove the nefarious intent of the cultural center then stfu and get over it!  I'm sick of listening to all of you fair weather constitutionalist!

  Wickersham

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9/02/10 7:38:19 PM#10
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Originally posted by Wickersham
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Originally posted by Wickersham

Everytime you contradict your own laws or try to make acceptions that betray your laws, the terrorists cause is advanced.

When you say America means "_________" and through your fear of them you don't do "_________" - they win.

 

how do they win? Democracy is not a suicide pact.

 The US Constitution defines what your nation is.

If Americans think or act against the US Constitution they're no longer American.

Terrorists can't destroy America with bombs and bullets, but they can get you to betray yourselves because of fear and because of your fear if you had true democracy you'd of cut your own throats by now.

 

Nothing in the Constitution says you have to be politically correct to the point that you subvert Democracy nad Freedom.

Democracy is not a suicide pact.

No one want's "true democracy" if you mean a tyranny of the majority.

That is no better than Theocracy, Communism, or Dictatorship.

I don't see how you can say the most powerful nation on the planet is fearful.

The US can turn any nation to glass if it wants, and has fought a war in the harshest conditions, for over 10 years, in two countries at the same time.

Meanwhile, life goes on as usual in the US.

How is that "fearful"?

 If you want to see an fearful American go look in the mirror.

YOU advance the terrorist cause when out of fear alone you want your "law enforcement" agencies to target random Mosques for undercover police inspections.

"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"

  Ihmotepp

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9/02/10 7:39:17 PM#11
Originally posted by kiddyno071
Originally posted by Thrakk

 



Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Don't be duped.
People don't decide to kill babies with IED's and suicide bombs becaues a Mosque was built, or not built.
They're going to do that whether the Mosque is built, or not built.

Encouraging freedom of religion is better than discouraging the freedom of religion


FIXED
or do you disagree with what I wrote in my fix?

(if you reply to this post, reply to that first. It's straight from the OP - the main topic of this thread)

Jon Stewart said it best when he said "we need to go back to not giving a fuck about what the terrorists think". We need to stick to our core American Principles. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness for all Americans. Freedom of Speech, Assembly, and Religion. The right to bear arms and the right to due process.

Many of the positions the right wing has taken over the past decade have only played into the Taliban's and other terrorist groups hands. They've been the best recruiting tools the terrorists could have ever hoped for.

 I 100% agree with you and I said something very similar on my FB page when discussing the issue.  I think Imho is just wrong... it is not about being PC or a suicide pact, and unless he or someone else can prove the nefarious intent of the cultural center then stfu and get over it!  I'm sick of listening to all of you fair weather constitutionalist!

 

I like John Stewart, but we never left the core American Principles, so we don't have to "get back to them".

Democracy is not a suicide pact.

Moral reletavism is not a valid ideology IMO.

Nothing I've seen has "played into the Taliban's plans."

We've killed a lot of Taliban and Al Qaeda and that's a good thing.

  Thrakk

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OP  9/02/10 9:01:55 PM#12
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Originally posted by kiddyno071
Originally posted by Thrakk

 



Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Don't be duped.
People don't decide to kill babies with IED's and suicide bombs becaues a Mosque was built, or not built.
They're going to do that whether the Mosque is built, or not built.

Encouraging freedom of religion is better than discouraging the freedom of religion


FIXED
or do you disagree with what I wrote in my fix?

(if you reply to this post, reply to that first. It's straight from the OP - the main topic of this thread)

Jon Stewart said it best when he said "we need to go back to not giving a fuck about what the terrorists think". We need to stick to our core American Principles. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness for all Americans. Freedom of Speech, Assembly, and Religion. The right to bear arms and the right to due process.

Many of the positions the right wing has taken over the past decade have only played into the Taliban's and other terrorist groups hands. They've been the best recruiting tools the terrorists could have ever hoped for.

 I 100% agree with you and I said something very similar on my FB page when discussing the issue.  I think Imho is just wrong... it is not about being PC or a suicide pact, and unless he or someone else can prove the nefarious intent of the cultural center then stfu and get over it!  I'm sick of listening to all of you fair weather constitutionalist!

 

I like John Stewart, but we never left the core American Principles, so we don't have to "get back to them".

Democracy is not a suicide pact.

Moral reletavism is not a valid ideology IMO.

Nothing I've seen has "played into the Taliban's plans."

We've killed a lot of Taliban and Al Qaeda and that's a good thing.

I still don't think you've answered my question.

Q. Is encouraging freedom of religion better than discouraging freedom of religion? This should be a simple yes or no question.

  Zindaihas

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9/02/10 9:31:52 PM#13

Which just goes to show the extremism of the Taliban.  The fact that they would use the controversy over where a mosque in the United States should be built simply proves that they adhere to an ideology that needs to be crushed, not appeased.

What's the point of this thread?  That America should acquiesce to the wishes of the Taliban and allow the mosque to be built at ground zero?  Why don't we just bend over and let them have their way with us while we're at it?

And if we did, knowing that they were able to manipulate the outcome of a relatively minor dispute, do you think they would say, "Ok, we're happy now.  We'll leave you alone from here on out."  That's pretty gullible.  More likely they would move on to bigger and better things.  Remember when Al Qaeda bombed Madrid in 2003?  They did it to change the outcome of a pending national election...and they succeeded!  From that point on, Spain became Al Qaeda's poodle.  The day America plays that game is the day America loses it's might.

Look we already occupy Afghanistan.  What more reason do they need to entice recruits?

Taliban leader speaking to a prospective recruit - "The Americans have invaded our land, we need every able bodied soldier to kick them out!"

Prospective recruit - "Meh, I'd rather sit in my cave and play video games."

Taliban leader - "Yeah, but they are also trying to prevent a mosque from being built on the place where our jihadist brothers killed 3,000 people in NYC."

Prospective recruit - "What!  That tears it!  Where do I sign up!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tK6YIAX1jg

  Thrakk

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OP  9/02/10 9:51:14 PM#14
Originally posted by Zindaihas

Which just goes to show the extremism of the Taliban.  The fact that they would use the controversy over where a mosque in the United States should be built simply proves that they adhere to an ideology that needs to be crushed, not appeased.

What's the point of this thread?  That America should acquiesce to the wishes of the Taliban and allow the mosque to be built at ground zero?  Why don't we just bend over and let them have their way with us while we're at it?

And if we did, knowing that they were able to manipulate the outcome of a relatively minor dispute, do you think they would say, "Ok, we're happy now.  We'll leave you alone from here on out."  That's pretty gullible.  More likely they would move on to bigger and better things.  Remember when Al Qaeda bombed Madrid in 2003?  They did it to change the outcome of a pending national election...and they succeeded!  From that point on, Spain became Al Qaeda's poodle.  The day America plays that game is the day America loses it's might.

Look we already occupy Afghanistan.  What more reason do they need to entice recruits?

Taliban leader speaking to a prospective recruit - "The Americans are have invaded our land, we need every able bodied soldier to kick them out!"

Prospective recruit - "Meh, I'd rather sit in my cave and play video games."

Taliban leader - "Yeah, but they are also trying to prevent a mosque from being built on the place where our jihadist brothers killed 3,000 people in NYC."

Prospective recruit - "What!  That tears it!  Where do I sign up!"

“The more mosques you stop, the more jihadis we will get,” says Zabihullah the Taliban Leader

now you must answer my question: Is it better to encourage the freedom of religion or discourage it? This should be a simple yes or no question.

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9/02/10 10:00:01 PM#15
Originally posted by kiddyno071
Originally posted by Thrakk

 



Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Don't be duped.
People don't decide to kill babies with IED's and suicide bombs becaues a Mosque was built, or not built.
They're going to do that whether the Mosque is built, or not built.

Encouraging freedom of religion is better than discouraging the freedom of religion


FIXED
or do you disagree with what I wrote in my fix?

(if you reply to this post, reply to that first. It's straight from the OP - the main topic of this thread)

Jon Stewart said it best when he said "we need to go back to not giving a fuck about what the terrorists think". We need to stick to our core American Principles. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness for all Americans. Freedom of Speech, Assembly, and Religion. The right to bear arms and the right to due process.

Many of the positions the right wing has taken over the past decade have only played into the Taliban's and other terrorist groups hands. They've been the best recruiting tools the terrorists could have ever hoped for.

 I 100% agree with you and I said something very similar on my FB page when discussing the issue.  I think Imho is just wrong... it is not about being PC or a suicide pact, and unless he or someone else can prove the nefarious intent of the cultural center then stfu and get over it!  I'm sick of listening to all of you fair weather constitutionalist!

 

  Thrakk

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OP  9/02/10 10:07:46 PM#16
Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I like John Stewart, but we never left the core American Principles, so we don't have to "get back to them".

Thrakk: it's taking you and Zindaihas an awfully long time to answer a simple question about whether encouraging freedom of religion is better than discouraging freedom of religion. just the fact that you have to think about it shows that some of us have left  the core American Principles. are you a hypocrite? I still would like the courtesy of yall to answer my question; or don't, it says more about yall if you can't answer it.

  Wickersham

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9/02/10 10:14:59 PM#17
Originally posted by Zindaihas

Which just goes to show the extremism of the Taliban.  The fact that they would use the controversy over where a mosque in the United States should be built simply proves that they adhere to an ideology that needs to be crushed, not appeased.

What's the point of this thread?  That America should acquiesce to the wishes of the Taliban and allow the mosque to be built at ground zero?  Why don't we just bend over and let them have their way with us while we're at it?

And if we did, knowing that they were able to manipulate the outcome of a relatively minor dispute, do you think they would say, "Ok, we're happy now.  We'll leave you alone from here on out."  That's pretty gullible.  More likely they would move on to bigger and better things.  Remember when Al Qaeda bombed Madrid in 2003?  They did it to change the outcome of a pending national election...and they succeeded!  From that point on, Spain became Al Qaeda's poodle.  The day America plays that game is the day America loses it's might.

Look we already occupy Afghanistan.  What more reason do they need to entice recruits?

Taliban leader speaking to a prospective recruit - "The Americans are have invaded our land, we need every able bodied soldier to kick them out!"

Prospective recruit - "Meh, I'd rather sit in my cave and play video games."

Taliban leader - "Yeah, but they are also trying to prevent a mosque from being built on the place where our jihadist brothers killed 3,000 people in NYC."

Prospective recruit - "What!  That tears it!  Where do I sign up!"

When you're motivated by fear rather than your own laws you're playing into their scheme.

When you use these terrorists as your reason to undermine your nation's political ideals you've granted the terrorists the power to coerce you to change those political ideals.  They win their war on America because you allowed them to change you into something distictly un-American.

For example - It's because of the terrorist acts against America on 9/11 that you don't want a "mosque" to be built near ground zero, but if those terrorist attacks never occured you'd not object to a Mosque being built there.

So you've allowed the terrorist's act of violence to divide you and coerce you into ignoring your nation's fundamental principal of freedom.

(not you specifically)

"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"

  Zindaihas

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9/02/10 11:21:39 PM#18
Originally posted by Wickersham
Originally posted by Zindaihas

Which just goes to show the extremism of the Taliban.  The fact that they would use the controversy over where a mosque in the United States should be built simply proves that they adhere to an ideology that needs to be crushed, not appeased.

What's the point of this thread?  That America should acquiesce to the wishes of the Taliban and allow the mosque to be built at ground zero?  Why don't we just bend over and let them have their way with us while we're at it?

And if we did, knowing that they were able to manipulate the outcome of a relatively minor dispute, do you think they would say, "Ok, we're happy now.  We'll leave you alone from here on out."  That's pretty gullible.  More likely they would move on to bigger and better things.  Remember when Al Qaeda bombed Madrid in 2003?  They did it to change the outcome of a pending national election...and they succeeded!  From that point on, Spain became Al Qaeda's poodle.  The day America plays that game is the day America loses it's might.

Look we already occupy Afghanistan.  What more reason do they need to entice recruits?

Taliban leader speaking to a prospective recruit - "The Americans are have invaded our land, we need every able bodied soldier to kick them out!"

Prospective recruit - "Meh, I'd rather sit in my cave and play video games."

Taliban leader - "Yeah, but they are also trying to prevent a mosque from being built on the place where our jihadist brothers killed 3,000 people in NYC."

Prospective recruit - "What!  That tears it!  Where do I sign up!"

When you're motivated by fear rather than your own laws you're playing into their scheme.

When you use these terrorists as your reason to undermine your nation's political ideals you've granted the terrorists the power to coerce you to change those political ideals.  They win their war on America because you allowed them to change you into something distictly un-American.

For example - It's because of the terrorist acts against America on 9/11 that you don't want a "mosque" to be built near ground zero, but if those terrorist attacks never occured you'd not object to a Mosque being built there.

So you've allowed the terrorist's act of violence to divide you and coerce you into ignoring your nation's fundamental principal of freedom.

(not you specifically)

 No fear involved.  And to answer Thrakk's question, "yes" no problem with freedom of religion.  This is not about either of those.  It's simply about sensibility.  It's like sticking your finger in the eye of America.  Maybe they weren't involved in the 9/11 attacks.  Maybe they didn't even condone it.  But they should be sensitive to the scars the attack created on that spot.

There were plenty of Muslims who had nothing to do with 9/11 who were rejoicing the day after.  I saw the stories from the Middle East where Muslims were celebrating the attack even though they were not involved.  Imagine a mosque being built at ground zero where Imams tell their congregates that this is the spot where Islam won a great victory over "The Great Satan" back in 2001.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tK6YIAX1jg

  Wickersham

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9/03/10 12:24:28 AM#19
Originally posted by Zindaihas
Originally posted by Wickersham
Originally posted by Zindaihas

Which just goes to show the extremism of the Taliban.  The fact that they would use the controversy over where a mosque in the United States should be built simply proves that they adhere to an ideology that needs to be crushed, not appeased.

What's the point of this thread?  That America should acquiesce to the wishes of the Taliban and allow the mosque to be built at ground zero?  Why don't we just bend over and let them have their way with us while we're at it?

And if we did, knowing that they were able to manipulate the outcome of a relatively minor dispute, do you think they would say, "Ok, we're happy now.  We'll leave you alone from here on out."  That's pretty gullible.  More likely they would move on to bigger and better things.  Remember when Al Qaeda bombed Madrid in 2003?  They did it to change the outcome of a pending national election...and they succeeded!  From that point on, Spain became Al Qaeda's poodle.  The day America plays that game is the day America loses it's might.

Look we already occupy Afghanistan.  What more reason do they need to entice recruits?

Taliban leader speaking to a prospective recruit - "The Americans are have invaded our land, we need every able bodied soldier to kick them out!"

Prospective recruit - "Meh, I'd rather sit in my cave and play video games."

Taliban leader - "Yeah, but they are also trying to prevent a mosque from being built on the place where our jihadist brothers killed 3,000 people in NYC."

Prospective recruit - "What!  That tears it!  Where do I sign up!"

When you're motivated by fear rather than your own laws you're playing into their scheme.

When you use these terrorists as your reason to undermine your nation's political ideals you've granted the terrorists the power to coerce you to change those political ideals.  They win their war on America because you allowed them to change you into something distictly un-American.

For example - It's because of the terrorist acts against America on 9/11 that you don't want a "mosque" to be built near ground zero, but if those terrorist attacks never occured you'd not object to a Mosque being built there.

So you've allowed the terrorist's act of violence to divide you and coerce you into ignoring your nation's fundamental principal of freedom.

(not you specifically)

 No fear involved.  And to answer Thrakk's question, "yes" no problem with freedom of religion.  This is not about either of those.  It's simply about sensibility.  It's like sticking your finger in the eye of America.  Maybe they weren't involved in the 9/11 attacks.  Maybe they didn't even condone it.  But they should be sensitive to the scars the attack created on that spot.

There were plenty of Muslims who had nothing to do with 9/11 who were rejoicing the day after.  I saw the stories from the Middle East where Muslims were celebrating the attack even though they were not involved.  Imagine a mosque being built at ground zero where Imams tell their congregates that this is the spot where Islam won a great victory over "The Great Satan" back in 2001.

So replace fear with anger and it's the same bloody thing...  An emotional response rather than a rational one - the result is still the same.

The terrorists are still coercing you by their actions and your emotional response to them is clouding your ability to think rationally.

What you submitted above is a perfect example:  Is it just to blame innocent people for the actions of others?  Is it proper for you to avenge a wrong by denying people that didn't commit the wrong?  Are all Americans allowed due process or is it reserved to only certain Americans?  What happened to innocent until proven guilty?  Is racial profiling wrong?  You can't pick and choose where laws should apply and where they shouldn't - there must be justice for all.

"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"

  Ihmotepp

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9/03/10 6:42:50 AM#20
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Originally posted by kiddyno071
Originally posted by Thrakk

 



Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Don't be duped.
People don't decide to kill babies with IED's and suicide bombs becaues a Mosque was built, or not built.
They're going to do that whether the Mosque is built, or not built.

Encouraging freedom of religion is better than discouraging the freedom of religion


FIXED
or do you disagree with what I wrote in my fix?

(if you reply to this post, reply to that first. It's straight from the OP - the main topic of this thread)

Jon Stewart said it best when he said "we need to go back to not giving a fuck about what the terrorists think". We need to stick to our core American Principles. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness for all Americans. Freedom of Speech, Assembly, and Religion. The right to bear arms and the right to due process.

Many of the positions the right wing has taken over the past decade have only played into the Taliban's and other terrorist groups hands. They've been the best recruiting tools the terrorists could have ever hoped for.

 I 100% agree with you and I said something very similar on my FB page when discussing the issue.  I think Imho is just wrong... it is not about being PC or a suicide pact, and unless he or someone else can prove the nefarious intent of the cultural center then stfu and get over it!  I'm sick of listening to all of you fair weather constitutionalist!

 

I like John Stewart, but we never left the core American Principles, so we don't have to "get back to them".

Democracy is not a suicide pact.

Moral reletavism is not a valid ideology IMO.

Nothing I've seen has "played into the Taliban's plans."

We've killed a lot of Taliban and Al Qaeda and that's a good thing.

I still don't think you've answered my question.

Q. Is encouraging freedom of religion better than discouraging freedom of religion? This should be a simple yes or no question.

 

People have freedom of speech. But there are limits. You can't shout fire in a crowded theater.

Democracy is not a suicid pact.

We dont' allow freedom to be used to cause harm.

We dont' encourage or discourage freedom of religion. It's a right, not something the government promotes or discourages.

If you abuse that right and use it to cause harm, then you forfeit it.

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