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  Luxumaru

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8/09/10 2:19:23 PM#21
Originally posted by TUX426
Originally posted by LuxumaruMore

people, yes. More money, no. Now I'm one of the people who [after playing both versions] thinks the NGE/CU/whatever they called it improved the game a little bit,  but it still didn't make the game worthy of much...

Sure making it F2P would bring in more people...but those people will just see how lame the game is and leave...

1. Release fail game.

2. Revamp fail game to create slightly less fail game.

3. Watch people leave in droves.

4. See game is still fail, yet continue to charge for it.

5. Realize fail game is not getting anywhere, make F2P.

6. ???

7. No profit.

8. Shut down fail game and save alot of people some time.

You may be being a bit too basic.

SWG was a GREAT "social" game. The "social" aspect they did quite well in...so let me toss in a few things I think you may be overlooking:

5a) F2P brings back players out of sheer curiosity or just to "chat"

5b) F2P players see some of the "stuff" they can buy in the TCG

5c) F2P players buy some TCG packs because it's easy to justify $15 on the TCG when you're not paying a subscription

5d) F2P players make the game "feel" more alive, even on "dead" servers (social)

5e) P2P players (paying for full access to the game via whatever "cash shop" option there is) continue to play SWG and will be less likely to cancel their subs with the "renewed" life the game seems to have from the F2P players

5f) F2P players enjoying the social aspect, may fork out the cash to enter the instances they're currently gated from because of them playing the F2P version

 

My point is...between the TCG, a Cash Shop that sells housing, lots, character slots, and a current full access sub, there is some potential for SWG to make money above what they currently do. They wouldn't make the money through what they've added or are adding to the game - they'd make it off of players/customers they currently don't have who are there just to socialize or "check in".

Once an MMO is cancelled and unsubbed, there's little reason to go back - IMO, keeping SWG on a players drive should be the number 1 goal of the current Devs. I don't have access to the correct numbers of returning players they have during "free trials", but I bet they have a fairly high return of "vets". Getting a few more bucks out of all those "free time" players would be HUGE! Going F2P (with P2P options of course) may just work well for SWG.

F2P = 1-2 toons, 1 server, no housing, just bank space, can't trade items, no Heroics

Cash shop = Extra character slots, Limited Access ($7.99/mo), Full access ($15/mo), extra lots, vendors, storage, "stuff"

TCG = fluff and "fun" items (mini games, kewl vehicles, kewl housing)

I'll admit, I may be totally incorrect on the impact of going F2P with the current subs (the few there are), but I think a F2P option for SWG could be a much bigger revenue stream than some give it credit for...assuming they (SoE) don't botch it like they did with EQ2.

I don't know. My opinion is based on my other opinion about SWG being lame in the content / mechanics department. If people wouldn't sub the game after playing a trial, why would they spend money in the cash shop if it were F2P?

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  TUX426

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OP  8/09/10 3:33:22 PM#22
Originally posted by LuxumaruI

don't know. My opinion is based on my other opinion about SWG being lame in the content / mechanics department. If people wouldn't sub the game after playing a trial, why would they spend money in the cash shop if it were F2P?

They aren't "paying" to socialize with their buddies or hang out at events. Because they aren't paying that monthly fee, I think a lot more people will be prone to purchasing TCG packs or buying an item from the Cash Shop. Buying something for $5 every month appeals to me much more than paying $15/mo for a game I hardly play.

Again, maybe it's just me...but if I'm playing some F2P game that I enjoy, I will purchase something from their cash shop just to show support for the Developers. Knowing that F2P is in lieu of $14.99/mo, I don't think it's unreasonable to toss them some $ at times...if we don't the game dies.

And...SWG has a HUGE base of "former" players to draw from. /shrug

  Luxumaru

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8/09/10 8:34:13 PM#23
Originally posted by TUX426
Originally posted by Luxumaru

I don't know. My opinion is based on my other opinion about SWG being lame in the content / mechanics department. If people wouldn't sub the game after playing a trial, why would they spend money in the cash shop if it were F2P?

They aren't "paying" to socialize with their buddies or hang out at events. Because they aren't paying that monthly fee, I think a lot more people will be prone to purchasing TCG packs or buying an item from the Cash Shop. Buying something for $5 every month appeals to me much more than paying $15/mo for a game I hardly play.

Again, maybe it's just me...but if I'm playing some F2P game that I enjoy, I will purchase something from their cash shop just to show support for the Developers. Knowing that F2P is in lieu of $14.99/mo, I don't think it's unreasonable to toss them some $ at times...if we don't the game dies.

And...SWG has a HUGE base of "former" players to draw from. /shrug

I agree on the fact that if a game is F2P, and I enjoy it, then yes go ahead and spend some money in the shop. I have done it many times. I think the problem would be the "former players" / people who are angry about [YouKnowWhat] wouldn't come back to the game, even if it was F2P. The only reason those people would play again is if the changes were reverted, and we know that isn't happening... /shrugs with you

I suppose the only way to know is if it happened, lol.

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  just2duh

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8/09/10 8:39:00 PM#24

 I think it would work out quite well for this one to go f2p, the timing couldn't be much better either with the TOR buzz flying around, that alone would probably generate a lot of interest, even though mostly temporary. It would be a good time to try to make some quick cash though, because once TOR comes out I don't see much of anything to keep this game afloat.

  Erstok

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8/09/10 8:41:25 PM#25

Work for new people but no not for the old folks regardless. Might jump in to see how things are but they still wouldn't give it a time of day. They fucked up bad in the end. End of story.


When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?

  Luxumaru

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8/09/10 8:58:22 PM#26

I'll admit that if by some miracle, they did this...I would play it until TOR is released, for my Star Wars fix. I can only play through KOTOR so many times...

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  TUX426

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OP  8/10/10 9:19:02 AM#27
Originally posted by Luxumaru

I'll admit that if by some miracle, they did this...I would play it until TOR is released, for my Star Wars fix. I can only play through KOTOR so many times...

Let me ask...is there ANY chance you'd buy something if it were F2P (like house, vehicle)? Would you pay $8/mo to access Heroics? If there's a chance you'd spend any $ in a cash shop/TCG, what are the chances SoE could get money out of you by keeping it P2P? I mean, is there ANY chance you'd pay $15/mo right now?!

  Luxumaru

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8/10/10 11:50:10 AM#28
Originally posted by TUX426
Originally posted by Luxumaru

I'll admit that if by some miracle, they did this...I would play it until TOR is released, for my Star Wars fix. I can only play through KOTOR so many times...

Let me ask...is there ANY chance you'd buy something if it were F2P (like house, vehicle)? Would you pay $8/mo to access Heroics? If there's a chance you'd spend any $ in a cash shop/TCG, what are the chances SoE could get money out of you by keeping it P2P? I mean, is there ANY chance you'd pay $15/mo right now?!

I stopped playing SWG because the game didn't warrant a sub fee in return for what it offered. So if anything, the chance of me giving them money in a Cash Shop would be very slim, seeing as I would only be playing it until something better comes around. So I wouldn't want to invest money into something that I am already planning to leave. So the answer to your question is no, I probably wouldn't spend money there if it were F2P.

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  TUX426

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OP  8/10/10 1:25:31 PM#29
Originally posted by Luxumaru
Originally posted by TUX426
Originally posted by Luxumaru

I'll admit that if by some miracle, they did this...I would play it until TOR is released, for my Star Wars fix. I can only play through KOTOR so many times...

Let me ask...is there ANY chance you'd buy something if it were F2P (like house, vehicle)? Would you pay $8/mo to access Heroics? If there's a chance you'd spend any $ in a cash shop/TCG, what are the chances SoE could get money out of you by keeping it P2P? I mean, is there ANY chance you'd pay $15/mo right now?!

I stopped playing SWG because the game didn't warrant a sub fee in return for what it offered. So if anything, the chance of me giving them money in a Cash Shop would be very slim, seeing as I would only be playing it until something better comes around. So I wouldn't want to invest money into something that I am already planning to leave. So the answer to your question is no, I probably wouldn't spend money there if it were F2P.

Thank you! Good honest answer.

  PreCU

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8/10/10 2:22:30 PM#30

I don't know why anyone plays f2p games. They are designed to lure you in, cause hey its free! and then manipulating you into paying when you find out about all the fun you're missing out on.

and then you have to account for the fact that those with more money may have an advantage.

and then there's the peer pressure when you join a guild or group and then they all want to do a raid or explore a cave in an area that you don't have access to.

  Loke666

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8/10/10 2:29:01 PM#31

I don't think anything SOE can do except a total revamp can save SWG and I wouldn't bet that even that would work.

F2P or P2P, the game will never be what I could have been and it is far to late to save that now. SOE can keep it on life support for a long time still if they want to but it just isn't possible to do what Turbine did for DDO with it.

Maybe it could work for Vanguard if they made it right but not for SWG. And I have the feeling that Lucas art wants to get all SW fans to play TOR instead anyways.

Too little too late.

  KyngBills

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8/10/10 2:30:33 PM#32
Originally posted by Luxumaru
Originally posted by TUX426
Originally posted by Luxumaru

I'll admit that if by some miracle, they did this...I would play it until TOR is released, for my Star Wars fix. I can only play through KOTOR so many times...

Let me ask...is there ANY chance you'd buy something if it were F2P (like house, vehicle)? Would you pay $8/mo to access Heroics? If there's a chance you'd spend any $ in a cash shop/TCG, what are the chances SoE could get money out of you by keeping it P2P? I mean, is there ANY chance you'd pay $15/mo right now?!

I stopped playing SWG because the game didn't warrant a sub fee in return for what it offered. So if anything, the chance of me giving them money in a Cash Shop would be very slim, seeing as I would only be playing it until something better comes around. So I wouldn't want to invest money into something that I am already planning to leave. So the answer to your question is no, I probably wouldn't spend money there if it were F2P.

I too believe it does not warrant a Sub fee mostly because the other two Games I play, AoC and LOTRO, give me 8-9 Characters per Server for $7.50-$10 Month (AoC sells $14.99/60 day Game Cards at Best Buy and LOTRO is 29.99 for a 3 Month Sub)...

So as an admitted altaholic SWG is a tremendous ripoff...I would play again though if it was free...At least I'd fire it up to check it out again...

  Kriminal99

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8/26/10 6:57:19 AM#33

holy crap those greedy bastards want 35 bucks per existing character not to delete characters people already have...

Sony has always been horrible towards their customers thats why I never made a habit of hanging out there long term.

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