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Citadel of Sorcery

Citadel of Sorcery 

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  User Deleted
 
OP  7/19/10 10:26:32 PM#41
Originally posted by Bookkeeper
Again, your opinion about what a developer should be doing is utterly irrelevant.  You are nobody.

You've obviously got nothing productive to add to this with a post like this.

  Teucri

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7/19/10 10:29:58 PM#42
Originally posted by Wolfenpride
Originally posted by Bookkeeper
Again, your opinion about what a developer should be doing is utterly irrelevant.  You are nobody.

You've obviously got nothing productive to add to this with a post like this.

No matter how much you complain and argue about this nothing will change, they will still not change what their doing just because one person starts complaining about it.

  Bookkeeper

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7/19/10 10:36:44 PM#43
Originally posted by Teucri
Originally posted by Wolfenpride
Originally posted by Bookkeeper
Again, your opinion about what a developer should be doing is utterly irrelevant.  You are nobody.

You've obviously got nothing productive to add to this with a post like this.

No matter how much you complain and argue about this nothing will change, they will still not change what their doing just because one person starts complaining about it.

My  point exactly.  The OPs complaints are irrelevant, the dev will keep right on making their game however they wish, and they certainly aren't going to listen to some rude forum troll.

  User Deleted
 
OP  7/19/10 10:39:08 PM#44
Originally posted by Teucri
Originally posted by Wolfenpride
Originally posted by Bookkeeper
Again, your opinion about what a developer should be doing is utterly irrelevant.  You are nobody.

You've obviously got nothing productive to add to this with a post like this.

No matter how much you complain and argue about this nothing will change, they will still not change what their doing just because one person starts complaining about it.

 No doubt about it, but it makes for an interesting discussion, and I had hope originally I might get a sensible and perhaps enlightening answer to a few questions seeing as how Jatar claims to know whats going on behind the scenes.

Sadly i'm left with only more questions and deeper concerns.

  Bookkeeper

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7/19/10 10:40:54 PM#45

Concerns?  About what?  Here's a news flash, you haven't paid for anything, you have nothing to be concerned about.  You don't have to be here, so you are the one wasting your time, not the developer. 

  User Deleted
 
OP  7/19/10 10:47:23 PM#46
Originally posted by Bookkeeper

Concerns?  About what?  Here's a news flash, you haven't paid for anything, you have nothing to be concerned about.  You don't have to be here, so you are the one wasting your time, not the developer. 

 I can't look and ask questions and raise discussions about a game and it's current state?

Not even on a public forum?

Shame on me.

  Bookkeeper

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7/19/10 10:53:39 PM#47
Originally posted by Wolfenpride
Originally posted by Bookkeeper

Concerns?  About what?  Here's a news flash, you haven't paid for anything, you have nothing to be concerned about.  You don't have to be here, so you are the one wasting your time, not the developer. 

 I can't look and ask questions and raise discussions about a game and it's current state?

Not even on a public forum?

Shame on me.

I totally agree with you, shame on you, for being rude.  Now you are trying to bring yourself off as some rational poster, when all you have done is be rude and attack.  You wanted a, how did you put it, 'sensible and perhaps enlightenend repsonse' to a rude attack?  Good luck, buddy.  Nobody is ever going to treat you with respect until you learn how to act like you deserve it.  I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.

  User Deleted
 
OP  7/19/10 11:11:11 PM#48
Originally posted by Bookkeeper
Originally posted by Wolfenpride
Originally posted by Bookkeeper

Concerns?  About what?  Here's a news flash, you haven't paid for anything, you have nothing to be concerned about.  You don't have to be here, so you are the one wasting your time, not the developer. 

 I can't look and ask questions and raise discussions about a game and it's current state?

Not even on a public forum?

Shame on me.

I totally agree with you, shame on you, for being rude.  Now you are trying to bring yourself off as some rational poster, when all you have done is be rude and attack.  You wanted a, how did you put it, 'sensible and perhaps enlightenend repsonse' to a rude attack?  Good luck, buddy.  Nobody is ever going to treat you with respect until you learn how to act like you deserve it.  I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.

 You new to the internet? More than half of everything posted on this site is rude to begin with.

In fact lets analyze my OP, because I have that much free time:

I remember hearing about this game like 2-3 maybe 4 years ago, and it still hasn't come out? Not even some kind of beta/testing phases?

Simply stating how I know about this game, and my shock that they have shown no progress since the last time I checked here years ago.

Checked the site and googled around...no discussion forums, no gameplay trailers/teasers or anything beyond a few screenshots (that show absolutely nothing beyond environment) , just the "we're working on it we'll tell you more later."

Stating observations I made of their site, and my disappointment with it.

And where exactly are the dev's getting their money to continue production on this game? Have they not gone over budget by this point? Looking at the site I can't even figure out who these people are behind the game, which is ridiculously unprofessional.

A question that suddenly came to me, nosy yes, but just a question. I also state the fact that I cannot gather any info on the people behind the game just looking at their site, and my opinion that its rather unprofessional.

Sounds like vaporware to me, especially considering the number of mmo's that have been fully developed and released since this was even announced.

I state my conclusion and the fact that a notable amount of games have been developed and released even after this game was announced.

 

No, i'm not going to come here posting with any eagerness or respective tone for the game or it's developers, when after a little while of searching around and viewing this board I find absolutely no hints or proof that this game has gone anywhere, and that the company itself does not appear very serious about what it's doing.

 

  Bookkeeper

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7/19/10 11:15:32 PM#49

Paint it anyway you want, you are rude by your own definiton.  No one will ever give you any respect when you act the fool.

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OP  7/19/10 11:20:40 PM#50
Originally posted by Bookkeeper

Paint it anyway you want, you are rude by your own definiton.  No one will ever give you any respect when you act the fool.

 Well when your ready to say something useful to the discussion you can get back to me on that.

Judging by the nature of your posts this entire thread, I won't hold my breath.

  SonikFlash

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7/19/10 11:26:41 PM#51
Originally posted by Wolfenpride
Originally posted by Bookkeeper

Paint it anyway you want, you are rude by your own definiton.  No one will ever give you any respect when you act the fool.

 Well when your ready to say something useful to the discussion you can get back to me on that.

Judging by the nature of your posts this entire thread, I won't hold my breath.

I've never seen someone so upset and personally offended by the inability to spend his money on something. 

Truly this is pathethic, the fact that you feel the need to deface and defame the developer(s) of said company is really painting you as an individual, one that clearly has no place in this game.

  Badem

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7/20/10 3:39:07 AM#52

Well I went to the CoS website and had a browse around.

"Citadel of Sorcery is being created by a independent Software Developer called MMO Magic. We are comprised of a small group of game industry professionals.

Many of our team member have experience in their field from working at other game companies over the years. Our producers have all shipped multiple game titles, our Lead Designer has designed many shipped titles, our Writer has written several fantasy book series, our artists have created art for many games on the market, our programmers are cutting edge engineers with credits on some great games and many of our level builders have over thirty years experience creating games.

When we say that our core team are professionals, we mean it in the fullest sense of the word. However, we are also seeking new talent to add to our core group. If you are ready to be part of the most exciting MMO project ever conceived, then feel free to contact us (see the 'Join the Team' section).

Currently we are creating an 'extreme' prototype of Citadel of Sorcery. This is not a typical prototype, or Tech demo. We're making a fully playable game, with all significant technology in place, as well as full demonstrations of all game play elements. In other words, the prototype is the full game only missing some additional art and level building
."

 

Still cant believe the OP [cares] about 'Oh noes the MMo magic website tells me nothing'

the FBI websites tells me nothing, better go [complain] to them about it, I wanna know who is in charge of the LA office and shizzle like that, i want to look at female agents and see whos hot so I can stalk her....

Best og luck to the Dev's on this, i think they might have a little cracker here

 

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Norsefire-logo.png

  lilnate22

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7/20/10 12:30:31 PM#53

err correction, it was "Mourning"

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/37720

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OP  7/20/10 1:53:57 PM#54

Somthing that just sprung up, if they are indeed a "virtual company" scattered about god knows where, are they really implementing features such as motion capture?

We've decided to go with motion capture for the character animation. We tried hand animation, but the motion capture adds far more realism to the movement of the characters. We have 70% of the motion capture data ready now, and several characters, all human so far.

This was posted back in 2007, looking at the 2009/8 holiday screenshots of them fooling around, I find it hard to believe that is somthing they actually integrated (or plan on), along with many other features including the idea of completely dynamic NPC's

For example, since the NPCs are created in Enact to have their own individual lives, and even we don't know exactly what they will do at any given moment, strange occurrences can sometimes take place. You might be wandering around with your character and find the streets kind of empty because most (or all) of the NPCs heard about something happening at the Citadel Palace and went to go see the event. This, though possible, isn't desirable. We would have to track down who messed with the A.I. net and caused such a powerful Event, and tone down the power of the rumor, or change the priority of this event. To do that we have to know what caused such an occurrence.
 

Using today's technology you can't make an npc anymore dynamic than what we saw in Fallout 3/Oblivion without either making their actions somewhat randomized (30% chance npc will do this 5% of that, etc.) or making a veery long script on each one of them.

Unless they've developed some kind of sentient AI, in which case we've got bigger problems. :V

Granted ton's of mmo's dev's end up lieing about having several features, CoS is stretching it in a rather silly way.

  Isane

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"Some do , Some don''t , Others just cry"

Jean Sali

7/20/10 2:21:37 PM#55
Originally posted by Wolfenpride
Originally posted by Isane
 

Wolfen, MMO Magic use this forumn to help people discuss ideas and respond with respect to COS seems you do not appear to have grasped the concept. Coming in here and being nothing short of an aggresive nobody is so poor and amusing at the same time.

To get something back here you need to contribute and to be honest you have not done that or shown any real interest in the game. All you seem to have done is demand information from a game which is in a deelopment cycle. Which does not warrant them setting up public forumns until they see fit. The approach has been stated but you seem to be demanding information that you will never be privy to or even deserve.

Jatar is pretty damn good and to be honest has dealt with you in the manner beffitting , he just wiped you off of his shoe and you persist in trying again. You have had your response now go be nasty and aggressive somewhere else.

  • Or you could continue to skulk here making a fool of yourself.
  • Lets see a Dev of the game or an aggressive attack by a nobody....
As you notice nothing about the game here , it must be all about you how grand.

 And who are you again?

 

All im asking for is basic information/contact info every developer makes available right from the get go.

The developers have stated their approach , respect it.

You can't even confirm that MMO Magic even exists as an actual company, absolutely zero references from anywhere and theres literally almost nothing about them on their own site. Even Indie Companies have this sort of information available, Ace Team, 2D Boy, Flying Lab Softwares being recent examples. Contact Info, Headquarters location, Goals, even a mention of who the Founders are, this is all basic information that at least confirms a company exists to begin with and is serious about their work, and MMO Magic has none of that available.

 

Not only that, but they have absolutely nothing to show that a real working game exists and that they've done any work with it. I've read through those several of their little diary updates about all these great features they've supposedly got working so far, and again absolutely nothing to confirm it with short of pretty words.

So ?

These developers have gone 2-3 years like this, they are unbelievably pathetic, especially when their only represenative  seems to spend his time lurking mmorpg.com and answering disgruntled criticism with a snobby attitude. Doesn't sound like something anyone would pay you to do.

Jatar is spot on and I have no reason to defend him , is nothing but professional.

Completely unprofessional.

 

And before you say it, yes I can get away with a rude attitude, because I'm not representing a company and their game.

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The game concept is fantastic, other than that little more at the moment matters.

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SWTOR and COS games that could deliver !!

  DLangley

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7/20/10 4:04:20 PM#56

Please refrain from using personal attack and baiting tactics in your posts.

  Isane

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Jean Sali

7/24/10 4:10:41 AM#57
Originally posted by DLangley

Please refrain from using personal attack and baiting tactics in your posts.

Citadel of Sorcery will be Like "Manchester City" a phoenix rising from the ashes battling the dark forces of Morphael (a.k.a Old boy Alex F).

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  summitus

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7/30/10 1:59:28 PM#58
Originally posted by Sovrath

This is probably over reaching on my part and definitely unsolicited but I would have put Jatar's post a different way had it been me;

 

Hello Wolfenpride, thank you for your interest in our game!

As an FYI We are an independant software developer, not a publisher and in truth we have been completely up front from day one about the game.  From the beginning we told people that we were in the very early stages of game development, and we've done everything we can to keep people informed as to the development progress.  The amount of time it takes to make an MMO lilke Citadel of Sorcery is not an exact science, nor is it something we would hurry as we want to make the best game possible for our players.

We pride ourselves in our work and will release the game when we feel it meets our high standards. As we are an independent company we tend to keep our financing on a need to know basis.

To clear up any confusion the company making CoS is MMO Magic, Inc.

As for your 'vaporware' comment, I can see where this is always a concern when a new project is announced. Hopefully once we have made suitable progress we can release enough info to satisfy all of our possible players.

It's our goal and what we are striving for.

Please watch our forums as well as this section for any pertinant information and again, thank you for inquring!

 lol best Post in this thread by far !  :)  ( though I know your probably not trying to be funny , it still made me lol )  ;)

  Isane

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Jean Sali

7/30/10 4:25:50 PM#59

Jatars' response was as good as it gets. I think thats how we should all leave it , it shows the ammount of respect the developers believe the OP deserves from someone developing the game.

And in reality as the developers are developing the game I wish to see thats where i will plant my stake in the ground.

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