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  Evolution8

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OP  6/25/10 9:36:43 PM#1

Heard allot of people complain about developers playing the game and using there powers and teleporting to the pkers and killing them if they get too out of hand, one guy said he got on his horse cause a shit load of people where after him for killing them, he rode off and nobody was behind him forever then out of knowhere a player appeared right in front of him armored horse with high level gear and weapons attacked him, hitting him for 45 damage. Then another person said the same thing but he attacked back and did 5 damage with his high level gear..If this is true talk about bullshit and a good way to run your game into the ground, also people where posting about this on the main boards but they get deleted within seconds, anyone experience this? I don't and won't play this game anymore as I can't stand it but had to post this here to see if anyone has had this problem

 

It really would not suprise me that the young devs are screwing with the game from there homes, thinking people wont notice

  Kordesh

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6/25/10 9:45:08 PM#2

Wouldn't be surprised. I could see them trying to stealthily weed out "undesireables" who might drive new players away via shady means as I would imagine they're desperate to keep whoever they have. Of course, it could all be just the mournful crap spewing out of the mouth of a griefer who got a taste of his own medicine. The posts being deleted doesn't lend much credence, as the Mortal boards have always been sure to bury and censor anything that isn't glittering praise for Mortal.

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  funkmastaD

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6/25/10 10:07:54 PM#3

I believe it... then again, I believe every rumor I read on the internet.   Because I'm incredibly gullible... or just a little stupid.

 

While we're on the subject:  Henrik not only plays his own game, he uses hacks.  Who wants to discuss this?

Edit:  Re-reading the OP, I believe he is actually claiming hacks.  Wow.  

  Kuraphimaru

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Posts: 1293

6/25/10 11:01:53 PM#4
Originally posted by funkmastaD

I believe it... then again, I believe every rumor I read on the internet.   Because I'm incredibly gullible... or just a little stupid.

 

While we're on the subject:  Henrik not only plays his own game, he uses hacks.  Who wants to discuss this?

Edit:  Re-reading the OP, I believe he is actually claiming hacks.  Wow.  

Your sarcasm aside, but OP does raise a good point. It isn't a new situation for MMOs where GM's help out their real life friends or abuse their powers and it would real interesting to see what the rest of the comunity has to say about this and if they saw or experienced anything similar.

  osmunda

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Joined: 5/24/09
Posts: 1127

6/25/10 11:03:46 PM#5

It's pretty clear that the devs play the game, but I've seen no indication that they've been up to any hijinks.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/925694-post18.html

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/928175-post2.html

Did either of those people give any indication that it was a developer that did that, or how they knew it was a developer?

How do we know the events described didn't happen by legitimate means?

@funkmasta:  You had to reread the OP?  The accusation seemed pretty blatant (and completely unsubstantiated)

@Kordesh: The topic of censorship has been pretty thoroughly discussed        http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/274828/Censorship.html

Posts critical of the game generally stay right where they are; Posts accusing specific people or guilds of cheating and links to hacking sites get deleted

  funkmastaD

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Posts: 733

6/25/10 11:20:29 PM#6
Originally posted by Kuraphimaru
Originally posted by funkmastaD

I believe it... then again, I believe every rumor I read on the internet.   Because I'm incredibly gullible... or just a little stupid.

 

While we're on the subject:  Henrik not only plays his own game, he uses hacks.  Who wants to discuss this?

Edit:  Re-reading the OP, I believe he is actually claiming hacks.  Wow.  

Your sarcasm aside, but OP does raise a good point. It isn't a new situation for MMOs where GM's help out their real life friends or abuse their powers and it would real interesting to see what the rest of the comunity has to say about this and if they saw or experienced anything similar.

No, OP does NOT raise a good point.  OP is throwing out baseless accusations under the guise of "This is the talk around town, let's discuss it".  Yes, if the devs were proven to abuse their powers to gank players, that would be a major problem... that doesn't change the fact that this claim has ZERO merit.

I haven't seen a single accusation like this, but OP claims this is because SV is censoring it... which begs the question, how does he  know about the rumors that were squashed so successfully?

In short, OP is rumor-mongering.   Fact is, he didn't cite a single shred of evidence (I'm not asking for proof, just more than "nameless players are talking about this").  He didn't name any characters (either victims or SV's supposed ganktoons) or anything.  

 

To clarify:  I'm not denying that SV devs are playing MO; they damn well better be.  But to claim that they're abusing their admin powers to gank players is a massive accusation... and yes, OP is trying to cultivate this rumor, make no mistake.

 

  Vexe

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Joined: 5/25/06
Posts: 554

Hoorah

6/25/10 11:23:28 PM#7

 I haven't been able to play the game in a while (Working on getting my graphics cards fixed) so I don't know how the guard mechanic changed, but could he have run too close to city where someone was saying guards?

  Wraithone

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If you can't kill it, don't make it mad.

6/25/10 11:30:21 PM#8
Originally posted by funkmastaD
Originally posted by Kuraphimaru
Originally posted by funkmastaD

I believe it... then again, I believe every rumor I read on the internet.   Because I'm incredibly gullible... or just a little stupid.

 

While we're on the subject:  Henrik not only plays his own game, he uses hacks.  Who wants to discuss this?

Edit:  Re-reading the OP, I believe he is actually claiming hacks.  Wow.  

Your sarcasm aside, but OP does raise a good point. It isn't a new situation for MMOs where GM's help out their real life friends or abuse their powers and it would real interesting to see what the rest of the comunity has to say about this and if they saw or experienced anything similar.

No, OP does NOT raise a good point.  OP is throwing out baseless accusations under the guise of "This is the talk around town, let's discuss it".  Yes, if the devs were proven to abuse their powers to gank players, that would be a major problem... that doesn't change the fact that this claim has ZERO merit.

I haven't seen a single accusation like this, but OP claims this is because SV is censoring it... which begs the question, how does he  know about the rumors that were squashed so successfully?

In short, OP is rumor-mongering.   Fact is, he didn't cite a single shred of evidence (I'm not asking for proof, just more than "nameless players are talking about this").  He didn't name any characters (either victims or SV's supposed ganktoons) or anything.  

 

To clarify:  I'm not denying that SV devs are playing MO; they damn well better be.  But to claim that they're abusing their admin powers to gank players is a massive accusation... and yes, OP is trying to cultivate this rumor, make no mistake.

 

You make some exellent points.  This is a SERIOUS accusation. But thats all it is at this point.  It could be an attempt at starting a whisper campaign, or something else entirely.  Until some evidence is provided, all it is, is speculation.

  Slapshot1188

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6/25/10 11:31:37 PM#9
Originally posted by funkmastaD
Yes, if the devs were proven to abuse their powers to gank players, that would be a major problem... that doesn't change the fact that this claim has ZERO merit.

 

 Personally I wouldn't be thrilled if they were ganking players but that (to me) would be a minor annoyance.  Just don't let them form special relationships or join guilds.   While I never played EvE I have read lots of stories about incestuous relationships there and it's a major reason that I never tried the game.   If they want to play they should form up their own StarVault guild and give the reds a target

 

Edit to add:

 

Some of my greatest gaming memories come from playing against the developers of a game called FireTeam.  It was an amazing squadbased combat game with built in voice com.  They went with a plan of skipping a publisher and directly marketing the game to players.  The problem is that this was over 12 years ago and they were just WAAAY ahead of their time.  Anyhow.. the point is that the developers formed up their own Company (guild) and would join our tournaments.  It was a hell of a lot of fun to kick their ass.. and if they happened to win we got to whine about how we were playing on dialup and they were directly connected

Bottom line is that it was fun.  One thing that was mandatory though.. was that no developer could join a player company and that rule made for a drama-free environment.

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  funkmastaD

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Joined: 5/23/10
Posts: 733

6/26/10 12:12:59 AM#10
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Originally posted by funkmastaD
Yes, if the devs were proven to abuse their powers to gank players, that would be a major problem... that doesn't change the fact that this claim has ZERO merit.

 

    If they want to play they should form up their own StarVault guild and give the reds a target

 

lol, THAT would be awesome.  Hell, I'd probably take a few swings myself (and brag about it on the forums for the next month)

 

And yeah, I've always been uncomfortable with MMO devs getting too involved in the politics/guilds in their game... I think it's entirely possible to remain neutral and unbiased, but that's a tough line to walk and I'd rather devs didn't try.   I'm pretty sure T20 (iirc, the CCP dev (GM?) that helped out the BoB alliance) was an isolated incident, but the idea disturbs me a bit...

 

It's a tough situation though, because devs really should play their game somewhat actively for the same reason musicians should probably hear what they're composing, but they will inherently have access to information that makes the rest of us nervous...

  Evolution8

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Joined: 7/28/09
Posts: 134

 
OP  6/26/10 12:38:56 AM#11

Whatever mister wise all knowing FunkymasterD, I asked a question if anyone heard of this happening, not pointing any fingers and the people who are saying this are pretty well know PKers from a guild called the Scary Bad Guys. I just asked not accused. I honestly do believe they abuse there powers, as a matter of fact I have no doubt in my mind as most of the developers are young & immature and have been noted for bashing players and talking shit. As for the people stating that they thought it was a developer, they said the armor was unique and the mount was also, plus having someone appear right in front of you could only mean 3 things, a Developer, GM or a hacker with some pretty damn good armor hack skills, don't take my word for it, was just a discussion, but i believe these guys are telling the truth

  User Deleted
6/26/10 12:57:46 AM#12

I once pvp'd David Bowman in AC2, man he could type fast (in chat). He could pvp alright, killed me a couple times, and I did the same to him. Sometimes I miss that game... sometimes, lol

  osmunda

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6/26/10 1:27:04 AM#13
Originally posted by Evolution8

Whatever mister wise all knowing FunkymasterD, I asked a question if anyone heard of this happening, not pointing any fingers and the people who are saying this are pretty well know PKers from a guild called the Scary Bad Guys.

Funkmasta gave no indication of being "all knowing", he just noted that you are throwing around a pretty hefty accusation with no substance.

I just asked not accused. I honestly do believe they abuse there powers, as a matter of fact I have no doubt in my mind as most of the developers are young & immature and have been noted for bashing players and talking shit.

Funny way you have of not accusing people

As for the people stating that they thought it was a developer, they said the armor was unique and the mount was also, plus having someone appear right in front of you could only mean 3 things, a Developer, GM or a hacker with some pretty damn good armor hack skills, don't take my word for it, was just a discussion, but i believe these guys are telling the truth  Or a fourth thing, they were preoccupied with running away from " a shit load of people" and didn't notice someone in front of him and in the heat of the moment failed to assess the situation accurately.

P.S. I would hardly call "Scary Bad Guys" pretty well known.  1) never heard of them  2) not on the mortal online guild list http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/30221-mortals-guild-list.html    |  http://fmshop.mmoguildsites.com/forums/109985   3) When you go to their website and forums http://www.scarybadguys.com/forum/index.php?board=1.0  the only thing I could find about Mortal Online was......the game selections are pretty terrible of late and look to be that way for a long time, we all have darkfall accounts but after 2 years of playing most of us got bored and are on extended hiatus.

have recently tried dawntide, all points bulletin and mortal online and they are all horrible games that either just suck all around or belong in an early alpha state. (curse you for making me look at their website)

  funkmastaD

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6/26/10 1:32:03 AM#14
Originally posted by Evolution8

Whatever mister wise all knowing FunkymasterD, I asked a question if anyone heard of this happening, not pointing any fingers and the people who are saying this are pretty well know PKers from a guild called the Scary Bad Guys. I just asked not accused. I honestly do believe they abuse there powers, as a matter of fact I have no doubt in my mind as most of the developers are young & immature and have been noted for bashing players and talking shit. As for the people stating that they thought it was a developer, they said the armor was unique and the mount was also, plus having someone appear right in front of you could only mean 3 things, a Developer, GM or a hacker with some pretty damn good armor hack skills, don't take my word for it, was just a discussion, but i believe these guys are telling the truth

This is an old tactic:  pose an accusation in the form of a question.  For example:

"Is it true that the rumors of SV's dev abuse are a complete fabrication, perpetuated by a competing game company in order to slander their competition?"

 

I'm not saying it's true, but that's the rumor I heard.

 

 

So now your claiming... excuse me, asking if we believe... that SV devs hacked their own game and then gave themselves visibly unique armor and mount while simultaneiously abusing players?  I know you're saying they're immature and stupid (apparently personal attacks are OK as long as the victim isn't  here to report it?), but they managed to launch a game that had a budget that must have exceeded a million dollars, so they can't be that stupid... 

 

 Hell, is SGB even IN MO?  They're the kind of guild that makes their presence known, if I recall. 

also:  It looks like no one else has heard of this happening.  Come back in a week with some better trollbait, or at least some photoshopped screenshots.

  bcrankshaw

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6/26/10 1:44:23 AM#15
Originally posted by funkmastaD
Originally posted by Evolution8

Whatever mister wise all knowing FunkymasterD, I asked a question if anyone heard of this happening, not pointing any fingers and the people who are saying this are pretty well know PKers from a guild called the Scary Bad Guys. I just asked not accused. I honestly do believe they abuse there powers, as a matter of fact I have no doubt in my mind as most of the developers are young & immature and have been noted for bashing players and talking shit. As for the people stating that they thought it was a developer, they said the armor was unique and the mount was also, plus having someone appear right in front of you could only mean 3 things, a Developer, GM or a hacker with some pretty damn good armor hack skills, don't take my word for it, was just a discussion, but i believe these guys are telling the truth

This is an old tactic:  pose an accusation in the form of a question.  For example:

"Is it true that the rumors of SV's dev abuse are a complete fabrication, perpetuated by a competing game company in order to slander their competition?"

 

I'm not saying it's true, but that's the rumor I heard.

 

 

So now your claiming... excuse me, asking if we believe... that SV devs hacked their own game and then gave themselves visibly unique armor and mount while simultaneiously abusing players?  I know you're saying they're immature and stupid (apparently personal attacks are OK as long as the victim isn't  here to report it?), but they managed to launch a game that had a budget that must have exceeded a million dollars, so they can't be that stupid... 

 

 Hell, is SGB even IN MO?  They're the kind of guild that makes their presence known, if I recall. 

also:  It looks like no one else has heard of this happening.  Come back in a week with some better trollbait, or at least some photoshopped screenshots.

QFT

Well said ,of course its not true

The Devs have committed so much to get this game running and stable .They are still working towards this ,why would they sabotage there own game by doing this

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  Wraithone

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If you can't kill it, don't make it mad.

6/26/10 2:49:21 AM#16
Originally posted by Diekfoo

Why haven't this thread been removed yet and the OP banned?

Perhaps because there is little evidence to support that position either?  The antidote to bad speech, is more speech, not censorship.  It has already been pointed out that this could be a ploy.

  Evolution8

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OP  6/26/10 9:09:11 PM#17
Originally posted by Wraithone
Originally posted by Diekfoo

Why haven't this thread been removed yet and the OP banned?

Perhaps because there is little evidence to support that position either?  The antidote to bad speech, is more speech, not censorship.  It has already been pointed out that this could be a ploy.

A ploy ROFL!!!!!!!!!!

  funkmastaD

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6/26/10 9:49:19 PM#18
Originally posted by Evolution8
Originally posted by Wraithone
Originally posted by Diekfoo

Why haven't this thread been removed yet and the OP banned?

Perhaps because there is little evidence to support that position either?  The antidote to bad speech, is more speech, not censorship.  It has already been pointed out that this could be a ploy.

A ploy ROFL!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, a ploy.

  BevoLJ

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6/26/10 10:12:51 PM#19
Originally posted by Evolution8

and the people who are saying this are pretty well know PKers from a guild called the Scary Bad Guys. I just asked not accused.

Scary Bad Guys are a pretty well known group in a number of games, but not MO.  They have also been wrong about a large number of things that they have stated in many games about things don't understand.

I'm in no way defending SV here, but to me it is quite clear what happened.  Lag mixed with PVP happened.  9 time out of 10 when pvp gets laggy the looser runs of yelling hack, cheat, bla bla bla.  But leave it to Scarry Bad Guys to skip all of that typical false accusations and go straight to "Dev's!" accusations to account for them losing a fight or gear.

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  n00bit

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6/26/10 11:50:56 PM#20

There was an account where an in-game GM teleported an exploiting player into the guardless town. This may be what all the fuss is about.

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