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  Stradden

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OP  5/25/10 9:43:57 AM#1

MMORPG.com's Justin Webb uses his column inches this week tot alk about Facebook, wacky privacy settings and what it can mean to you as an MMO gamer.

In this article I’m going to talk about Facebook’s latest iteration of their privacy policy and what that may ultimately mean for the internet and, specifically, MMO gamers. To do so, I’m going to refer to Jeff Jarvis’ distinction of “a” public versus “the” public; link to a pretty diagram; and to an article in the New York Times. The United States Constitution will be mentioned. Facebook’s attempt to become the Bank of the Internet will be alluded to. And a war between Google and Facebook will be hinted at. At the end of the article is shameless plug.
 
Recently, Facebook updated their privacy policies making it extremely difficult to keep private stuff private. An article in the New York Times estimates that you now need to navigate through “50 settings with more than 170 options” to manage all your Facebook privacy options. And that the privacy policy itself is a staggering 5830 words long, 1300 more than the US Constitution.

Read The Bank of the Internet.

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  mackdawg19

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5/25/10 9:48:44 AM#2

I must be to quick, link isn't working at the moment. =)

  bobfish

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5/25/10 10:38:27 AM#3

Don't forget the part about Google reading all your mail in Gmail accounts to help with their targetted marketing!

  User Deleted
5/25/10 10:57:42 AM#4

As a rule: write nothing of importance and nothing too personal over the internet. Simple as that.

And I don't but it that browsergames replace MMOs. They are two different target audiences. MMO players are seeking more immersity and depths even then current MMOs have not less. I just don't see that.

  Codenak

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5/25/10 10:58:27 AM#5

Google have also been using their streetview vehicles to "grab" data sent over unencrypted wifi networks, theyre in trouble over that one in Germany.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8684110.stm

F2P/P2P excellent thread.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/282517/F2P-An-Engineers-perspective.html

  SnarlingWolf

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5/25/10 10:58:41 AM#6

I remember in school when people were saying this new thing Amazon was going to take over the world too.

 

I remember when people were saying MySpace was going to be what everyone was using.

 

I remember over a decade ago when electric cars we're the immediate future, then so was ethanol, then hydrogen based cars, and let's not forget those flying cars everyone was always told about.

 

 

People like to image that the future is going to radically change, but change happens a lot slower then people seem to realize. The reason is that someone has to invent/change something, and then it has to TAKE HOLD. That keep part takes a long time and doesn't always happen. Remember those tiny CDs that were going to replace CDs? Whoops mp3s destroyed that plan.

 

Facebook is sad and pathetic, and it consists mostly of people making posts like "Trying to find my car in the parking lot" or "Mmmm spaghetti for dinner". Enough people will get bored of it and move on, facebook isn't going to rule the world. Farmville already posted a major loss for the last quarter, showing that even those crazed facebook people can realize something is crap and not want to deal with it anymore.

 

The only accurate part is MMOs will no longer be giant download clients, and likely a lot of them will play right in the browser. It's not like there haven't been browser based MMOs for a decade now already. But there is still consoles as well. Let's not forget that there are more console gamers then PC gamers now, which would in turn mean that the biggest push is to get the first major MMOs on console and make a fortune. But there will definetly be a push for streaming MMOs on PCs.

  maplestone

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5/25/10 11:09:26 AM#7

I grew up in the era where someone finding out you played that evil D&D game could get you blacklisted from many community activities - this has caused me to continue to feel a near-paranoid distrust of sharing information about my gaming hobbies outside a close circle of friends.

Unfortunately, online identity is trending to become like a credit rating, a database of one's habits and gulabilities with potentially massive impact on your real life assembled behind the scenes.  Personally, I'm just not ready for it.  I don't want it.  I've boot-kicked  facebook after feeling like I was constantly fighting against its business model, but is that database entry ever really going to go away?  Will my MMO accounts still end up linked to it behind the scenes and be shared with employers and others who may make arbitrary life-impacting judgements of me because of it?

  Wraithone

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5/25/10 11:10:29 AM#8
Originally posted by Codenak

Google have also been using their streetview vehicles to "grab" data sent over unencrypted wifi networks, theyre in trouble over that one in Germany.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8684110.stm

I've noticed that. One of their engineers got a bit too cute for their own good. Personally, it looks like an honest mistake that just happened. Some of the howling about Google "wire tapping" or "spying" on people is hysterically funny. Especially in the context of No Such Agency doing exactly that on a global scale for decades.

  mmosnark

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5/25/10 11:17:00 AM#9
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf


Farmville already posted a major loss for the last quarter, showing that even those crazed facebook people can realize something is crap and not want to deal with it anymore.

Farmville is owned by Zynga. Zynga is a privately held company. If you have the financials for Q1 2010, I would love to see them.

Can you link them please?

  User Deleted
5/25/10 11:25:23 AM#10
Originally posted by mmosnark
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf


Farmville already posted a major loss for the last quarter, showing that even those crazed facebook people can realize something is crap and not want to deal with it anymore.

Farmville is owned by Zynga. Zynga is a privately held company. If you have the financials for Q1 2010, I would love to see them.

Can you link them please?

Google is your friend. (Ok, actually it's not. But let's not get paranoid.)

http://www.insidesocialgames.com/2010/05/03/top-25-facebook-games-for-may-2010/

I don't know why they are called "Social Games". There isn't anything social about them! Either way, I think they are a fleeting fashion of the month thing and in a few years we will sit together and laugh about it over a cup of tea.

  Ozmodan

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5/25/10 11:30:11 AM#11

Again you let one major fact escape you.  Browser based games depend on very high speed internet.  The US is way behind many other countries in implementing this because it has let the cable giants get too large and the market competition is not forcing them to do so.

Google is putting fiber in a few towns, even they can't afford to fiber even the major US cities...this will not happen in the next two years, nor probably in the next 5-10.

Even getting a high speed connection from the cable company does not guarentee good speeds, they like to overload the lines.

Not to say browser based MMO's won't be popular, just not anything like the big boys.

So as usual, you make predictions without evening looking at the road blocks in the way.    It is nice to attempt to foretell the future, but one has to use realities in existence when considering such.

  mmosnark

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5/25/10 11:41:11 AM#12
Originally posted by Ozmodan


Again you let one major fact escape you.  Browser based games depend on very high speed internet.  The US is way behind many other countries in implementing this because it has let the cable giants get too large and the market competition is not forcing them to do so.

Google is putting fiber in a few towns, even they can't afford to fiber even the major US cities...this will not happen in the next two years, nor probably in the next 5-10.

Even getting a high speed connection from the cable company does not guarentee good speeds, they like to overload the lines.

Not to say browser based MMO's won't be popular, just not anything like the big boys.

So as usual, you make predictions without evening looking at the road blocks in the way.    It is nice to attempt to foretell the future, but one has to use realities in existence when considering such.

 

Actually, Google has been buying up unused fibre-optic cable from cable companies and laying their own since 2005.

Their current initiative, that enables towns to "bid" to become the first test case, doesn't have any geographic limitations.

I think you'll find that Google's super-high-speed network is coming quicker than you think.

  Kothoses

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5/25/10 11:43:40 AM#13
Originally posted by Ozmodan

Again you let one major fact escape you.  Browser based games depend on very high speed internet.  The US is way behind many other countries in implementing this because it has let the cable giants get too large and the market competition is not forcing them to do so.

Google is putting fiber in a few towns, even they can't afford to fiber even the major US cities...this will not happen in the next two years, nor probably in the next 5-10.

Even getting a high speed connection from the cable company does not guarentee good speeds, they like to overload the lines.

Not to say browser based MMO's won't be popular, just not anything like the big boys.

So as usual, you make predictions without evening looking at the road blocks in the way.    It is nice to attempt to foretell the future, but one has to use realities in existence when considering such.

 

 

The Cable its self is not the problem nor the solution, an ordinary RF cable can deliver 20 mb per outlet without even breaking sweat, 50 at a push is possible and 100 can be done without FTH.

The problem is that the company providing the internet part then likes to load up to 200 people per node (This is called a contention ratio, look it up).  Meaning that you never get that amount of streamed internet continiously but a share of it based on your need for that microsecond.

 

This is why major providers in the developed world cannot deliver internet connections anything like their adverts claim.

As for facebook, It is self perpetuating now, It will only continue to grow.

 

The avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote.

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  battleaxe

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5/25/10 12:09:55 PM#14

Don't have a Facebook account.  Don't want one, don't need one.  Facebook is not the internet, it's just a modern BBS.

I have no desire to see other people puking their guts out or flashing their surgically enhanced assets.  I don't need to post pictures of myself for others' approval.  I'll keep them safely tucked away for my own family's enjoyment, thank you.  Once a picture or information is shared on the internet, whether publicly or not, it's public.  Just ask Epic Boobs girl:  http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/may/11/pcc-privacy

Back in the day:  AOL was Facebook; Yahoo was Google; Netscape was IE/Firefox/Chrome; EQ was WoW.  The only constant is change.

  User Deleted
5/25/10 12:11:43 PM#15
Originally posted by Kothoses
Originally posted by Ozmodan

Again you let one major fact escape you.  Browser based games depend on very high speed internet.  The US is way behind many other countries in implementing this because it has let the cable giants get too large and the market competition is not forcing them to do so.

Google is putting fiber in a few towns, even they can't afford to fiber even the major US cities...this will not happen in the next two years, nor probably in the next 5-10.

Even getting a high speed connection from the cable company does not guarentee good speeds, they like to overload the lines.

Not to say browser based MMO's won't be popular, just not anything like the big boys.

So as usual, you make predictions without evening looking at the road blocks in the way.    It is nice to attempt to foretell the future, but one has to use realities in existence when considering such.

 

 

The Cable its self is not the problem nor the solution, an ordinary RF cable can deliver 20 mb per outlet without even breaking sweat, 50 at a push is possible and 100 can be done without FTH.

The problem is that the company providing the internet part then likes to load up to 200 people per node (This is called a contention ratio, look it up).  Meaning that you never get that amount of streamed internet continiously but a share of it based on your need for that microsecond.

 

This is why major providers in the developed world cannot deliver internet connections anything like their adverts claim.

As for facebook, It is self perpetuating now, It will only continue to grow.

 

The avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote.

Heh, but you know that even Kosh was wrong about that, in the end. And some avalanche is just a pebble seen from the wrong perspective. Trends are a fickle thing. People said the walkman takes over the world and it would spell doom on the youth. There were a loit of doomsday trends. Like Japan is supposed to rule economy, or so it was said in 1980ies. It has too much of conspiracy theories for my taste. I mean, be cautious with what you post and where you use your real name. I never give my real name anywhere, and I am often astonished how many ppl use their real names and real photos in the internet. It's something I would never do. In the end the internet only knows what you LET it know.

  stayontarget

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5/25/10 1:23:26 PM#16

There also in a little mess with google maps.

Anyone know about "spam house".  this little software made by a few peeps desides what gets sent to the spam folder and what does not.  Every  browser uses it.  They collect data on everyone.

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  TheNitewolf

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5/25/10 1:43:08 PM#17

Equally "solid" research as last weeks article. The main reasons why it's most likely not happening have been mentioned already.

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  Dracondis

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5/25/10 2:14:06 PM#18
Originally posted by mmosnark

Originally posted by Ozmodan


Again you let one major fact escape you.  Browser based games depend on very high speed internet.  The US is way behind many other countries in implementing this because it has let the cable giants get too large and the market competition is not forcing them to do so.

Google is putting fiber in a few towns, even they can't afford to fiber even the major US cities...this will not happen in the next two years, nor probably in the next 5-10.

Even getting a high speed connection from the cable company does not guarentee good speeds, they like to overload the lines.

Not to say browser based MMO's won't be popular, just not anything like the big boys.

So as usual, you make predictions without evening looking at the road blocks in the way.    It is nice to attempt to foretell the future, but one has to use realities in existence when considering such.

 

Actually, Google has been buying up unused fibre-optic cable from cable companies and laying their own since 2005.

Their current initiative, that enables towns to "bid" to become the first test case, doesn't have any geographic limitations.

I think you'll find that Google's super-high-speed network is coming quicker than you think.

While you might be right about that, I'm on Comcast and my internet connection is 1/12th what I'm paying for during peak hours.  They may be fast, but I'm bogged down.  So my gaming experience will be craptastic and I doubt I'll get instant playability with even a browser client. 

Earth Eternal tried that and they failed when it came to their stress testing.  Hundreds of us were unable to even get to the website during the stress test because the system was so overtaxed.  They claimed it as a success, but it only succeeded in pissing a lot of us off.  Haven't been back since.  Don't plan to go back.  It iwll be the exact same with any other browser based game.

And don't get me started on the streaming clients.  SOE uses one.  Some people have no problems.  But the solution for people who are having problems?  Download the Station Launcher and wait for the full client to DL.  Yep, the solution to the streaming client not working is for you to go get the normal client and wait.  Not exactly tech support excellence.  I'm not impressed with streaming clients.  I'd rather wait for a full download of a client that will run everything when I start it than a streaming client that may not run what I want when I get into the playing.  I'm far more likely to ditch a game over a bad play experience than I am over having to wait to start playing in the first place.

If you persist in using the dinosaur/mammal cliche, the dinosaurs last a very long time, and probably wouldn't have died out save for that little ELE that killed off anything weighing more than about 20 pounds.  And even then they only survived for as long as they did off the carrion, so we're all evolved from bottom-feeders.  Helps bring Facebook into focus, doesn't it?  Browser-based and Streeaming Clients will end up being evolutionary dead-ends.  They're an interesting novelty, but they are hardly the way of the future.

People demand reliable, and reliable is what they will actually spend money on.  If something doesn't do what it's supposed to do, people return it.  Simple law of retail.  Give them a product that works or get out of the way.  Clever marketing aside, no one wants to buy another Edsel.

  maplestone

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5/25/10 2:30:07 PM#19
Originally posted by Yunbei
I never give my real name anywhere, and I am often astonished how many ppl use their real names and real photos in the internet.

But when you sign up for an MMO, you have to provide billing information with your real-world identity.  How widely does that information spread?  If the MMO company partners with Facebook or a similar company to manage a database of online identities, who does that database now get shared with?

I admit, this is hardly a new problem - just one of scope and scale and pervasiveness.  For fun, I have long put fictious middle initials into forms (physical or online) as a code to watch how they propagate.  It's a real eye-opener of just how far and wide data gets passed around, even by companies that insist they respect your privacy.

  xaldraxius

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5/25/10 2:30:34 PM#20

I avoid the hell out of Facebook, and I wouldn't even have an account there were it not for the fact that my aunts, one of whom is dying from cancer, use it to keep in touch with the family, and, since my mother refuses to learn how to use a computer on her own, I have become an involuntary intermediary.

I hope that society's natural skittishness for sharing their personal information online will eventually overcome their lemming-like propensity for 'jumping on the bandwagon', especially when, and if, it sinks into their heads that Facebook is sharing all of this information with anybody and everybody.

Speaking of which there's a certain Nigerian prince who's looking for someone to embezzle fifteen million dollars into the US, past the IRS, and is willing to cut one lucky sumbitch in on the profit. I would, but I've just won 700,000 pounds in the UKlottery that I never bought a ticket for.

See, with Facebook everyone's a winner!

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