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  zeowyrm

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Joined: 10/08/09
Posts: 779

5/13/10 9:27:20 AM#141

I'm gonna take the other side on this.  Personally, I hate the Isle.  I think it is a poor representation of the rest of the game, and you miss out on so much lore and history of the races if you do the isle versus the regular starting areas.  Yes, the gear isn't as good, but I'd rather be an escaped slave trying to stop an invasion (the orc/goblin starter storyline) or an interdimensional hunter tracking a devious prey (kurashasha starting area. [think I spelled it wrong]) then some generic hero on the isle.

  neonaka

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Joined: 3/04/05
Posts: 803

5/13/10 9:32:09 AM#142
Originally posted by zeowyrm

I'm gonna take the other side on this.  Personally, I hate the Isle.  I think it is a poor representation of the rest of the game, and you miss out on so much lore and history of the races if you do the isle versus the regular starting areas.  Yes, the gear isn't as good, but I'd rather be an escaped slave trying to stop an invasion (the orc/goblin starter storyline) or an interdimensional hunter tracking a devious prey (kurashasha starting area. [think I spelled it wrong]) then some generic hero on the isle.

I am going to take the other side of this thread, and say, I would return and join, but I already know how this is going to end. This has been attempted several times already in VG. It has already been attempted a few times on this very site, and it ends the same way everytime.

I do not believe this one will be any exception. SOE doesn't care about this game, they will not put money into it, or fix it. Which is sad because it is such a good game.

It is the same as DAoC, could be great again if you tossed some money and dev love it's way, but that isn't ever going to happen.

I just hate feeling like I am playing a game waiting to die. So I will have to pass for now, unless you guys can make SOE raise an eyebrow, force them to give VG some more devs and a larger budget for bug fixes and the likes.

If you pull that off though, I will resub and join you all.

  Dmyankee

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Joined: 6/29/07
Posts: 134

5/13/10 9:44:57 AM#143

I do not know how long this will last, but i am just enjoying the expierence. Frankly i have been reading some of the next gen games and they all are following a more forgiving angle over a challenge (more like wow, eq 2). I am not a fan of pvp so a rich PVE game is what i am looking for. I know LOTRO does that but just something in it i do not enjoy (the entire depressing thing i think is what it is). I plan to play till they shut this game down.

One week of 100 plus returning players will not make any changes ... 6 months of 2000 returning and new players could raise an eyebrow @ 14.99 a month x 2000 = 179,880, that is enough to get some more developers ... Try not to think of the 100 and hope for 2000, keep word of mouth going.

 

For the record, this game does not give you everything on a silver platter, the Quest Tracking system is still broken in some areas and it is buggy, but it is rich in lore and unique in combat, tradeskilling, and Diplomacy spheres.


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  Speedhaak

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/21/06
Posts: 286

'At the end of time the ultimate computation will simulate the Universe and resurrect the dead!'

5/13/10 9:48:42 AM#144

I've been having trouble trying to log in all day. It says all servers are up in the launch window but as soon as I arrive to character selection it informs me Seradon(?) is down. Playing from Europe though, maybe thats affecting it?

  Dmyankee

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/29/07
Posts: 134

5/13/10 9:53:03 AM#145

There is a patch, no announcement on when it will be up.


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  macmall

Novice Member

Joined: 4/29/09
Posts: 36

5/13/10 9:55:18 AM#146
Originally posted by neonaka
Originally posted by zeowyrm

I'm gonna take the other side on this.  Personally, I hate the Isle.  I think it is a poor representation of the rest of the game, and you miss out on so much lore and history of the races if you do the isle versus the regular starting areas.  Yes, the gear isn't as good, but I'd rather be an escaped slave trying to stop an invasion (the orc/goblin starter storyline) or an interdimensional hunter tracking a devious prey (kurashasha starting area. [think I spelled it wrong]) then some generic hero on the isle.

I am going to take the other side of this thread, and say, I would return and join, but I already know how this is going to end. This has been attempted several times already in VG. It has already been attempted a few times on this very site, and it ends the same way everytime.

I do not believe this one will be any exception. SOE doesn't care about this game, they will not put money into it, or fix it. Which is sad because it is such a good game.

It is the same as DAoC, could be great again if you tossed some money and dev love it's way, but that isn't ever going to happen.

I just hate feeling like I am playing a game waiting to die. So I will have to pass for now, unless you guys can make SOE raise an eyebrow, force them to give VG some more devs and a larger budget for bug fixes and the likes.

If you pull that off though, I will resub and join you all.

I do not believe this one will be any exception. SOE doesn't care about this game"

You may be right but money talks and BS walks.......if they start to make MONEY off of it they WILL put resorces into it......its not a matter of them not liking the game its a matter of THE BOTTOM LINE and MONEY!

 

If your outlook on life is that its not going to get better guess what? its not going to get better....Attitude Is Everything

 

Put a smile on your face:P and get the word out!! tell your buddys at work!! get involved!!!

 

If you every need anything in-game if you come back hit me up:P Lets try and do somthing that has never been done before lets make history.

  Speedhaak

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/21/06
Posts: 286

'At the end of time the ultimate computation will simulate the Universe and resurrect the dead!'

5/13/10 10:00:07 AM#147
Originally posted by Dmyankee

There is a patch, no announcement on when it will be up.

Ah okay, thanks.

  Dmyankee

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/29/07
Posts: 134

5/13/10 10:07:02 AM#148
Originally posted by macmall

If your outlook on life is that its not going to get better guess what? its not going to get better....Attitude Is Everything

 Put a smile on your face:P and get the word out!! tell your buddys at work!! get involved!!!

 If you every need anything in-game if you come back hit me up:P Lets try and do somthing that has never been done before lets make history.

I loved this comment. I am optimistic about this game, and i hope it lasts a long time!


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  neonaka

Novice Member

Joined: 3/04/05
Posts: 803

5/13/10 10:24:04 AM#149
Originally posted by macmall
Originally posted by neonaka
Originally posted by zeowyrm

I'm gonna take the other side on this.  Personally, I hate the Isle.  I think it is a poor representation of the rest of the game, and you miss out on so much lore and history of the races if you do the isle versus the regular starting areas.  Yes, the gear isn't as good, but I'd rather be an escaped slave trying to stop an invasion (the orc/goblin starter storyline) or an interdimensional hunter tracking a devious prey (kurashasha starting area. [think I spelled it wrong]) then some generic hero on the isle.

I am going to take the other side of this thread, and say, I would return and join, but I already know how this is going to end. This has been attempted several times already in VG. It has already been attempted a few times on this very site, and it ends the same way everytime.

I do not believe this one will be any exception. SOE doesn't care about this game, they will not put money into it, or fix it. Which is sad because it is such a good game.

It is the same as DAoC, could be great again if you tossed some money and dev love it's way, but that isn't ever going to happen.

I just hate feeling like I am playing a game waiting to die. So I will have to pass for now, unless you guys can make SOE raise an eyebrow, force them to give VG some more devs and a larger budget for bug fixes and the likes.

If you pull that off though, I will resub and join you all.

I do not believe this one will be any exception. SOE doesn't care about this game"

You may be right but money talks and BS walks.......if they start to make MONEY off of it they WILL put resorces into it......its not a matter of them not liking the game its a matter of THE BOTTOM LINE and MONEY!

 

If your outlook on life is that its not going to get better guess what? its not going to get better....Attitude Is Everything

 

Put a smile on your face:P and get the word out!! tell your buddys at work!! get involved!!!

 

If you every need anything in-game if you come back hit me up:P Lets try and do somthing that has never been done before lets make history.

Listen, I love VG just as much as all of you do. I also think given some money and time, it could be a top contender in the MMO Genre, it really does have that much potential.

In the case with VG though it is political, SOE I do not believe will ever put enough effort into VG that it could rival EQ2. I really wish VG would get sold off to another company so that it might see some good updated material.

BUT,

Since you guys are so passionate about it, I will more than likely resub this weekend and see how this lil project is going.

  Dmyankee

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/29/07
Posts: 134

5/13/10 10:30:39 AM#150

SOE Bought it to make a quick profit and I think McQuaid pulled a few favors with Smed. The other thing is that it is a Direct Compettion to EQ2 ... but EQ2 has changed so much compared to when it was release that the only thing the games have in common are that they are Fantasy and they are owned by sony.

If you resub, re roll on Seradon, wifey and I are there. However Tonight and Tomorrow are WoW nights (RL Friends)  hehe.


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  neonaka

Novice Member

Joined: 3/04/05
Posts: 803

5/13/10 10:32:45 AM#151
Originally posted by Dmyankee

SOE Bought it to make a quick profit and I think McQuaid pulled a few favors with Smed. The other thing is that it is a Direct Compettion to EQ2 ... but EQ2 has changed so much compared to when it was release that the only thing the games have in common are that they are Fantasy and they are owned by sony.

If you resub, re roll on Seradon, wifey and I are there. However Tonight and Tomorrow are WoW nights (RL Friends)  hehe.

I already have several characters on Seredon now. there is a 18 Ranger I have been wanting to level up some.

  Dmyankee

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/29/07
Posts: 134

5/13/10 10:43:27 AM#152

If you are on Seradon, then i reccomend After Hours (mmorpg guild) Lots of new and returning players ...

if you join the channel they will get ya tagged  type /autojoin add mmorpg

That will get ya into the channel.


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  Sovrath

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Joined: 1/06/05
Posts: 17010

5/13/10 10:46:12 AM#153
Originally posted by zeowyrm

I'm gonna take the other side on this.  Personally, I hate the Isle.  I think it is a poor representation of the rest of the game, and you miss out on so much lore and history of the races if you do the isle versus the regular starting areas.  Yes, the gear isn't as good, but I'd rather be an escaped slave trying to stop an invasion (the orc/goblin starter storyline) or an interdimensional hunter tracking a devious prey (kurashasha starting area. [think I spelled it wrong]) then some generic hero on the isle.

I can agree that the individual starter areas have a more robust story and are very interesting. But the problem is that if there are not people there to appreciate it or if players start there and feel like they are alone in the world then in the long term nothing good comes of it other than "yeah, tried the original starter areas, cool story but only saw a few people so I let my sub end".

Yet the island seems to have this sort of camaraderie goign when it's full. It feels like a robust mmo experience in regards to population. Again, when full.

The only issue is that players then get into the real world and don't see the same number of people in the same area and they become dissapointed. Though I believe the rift keeper indicates that it is a large world and then suggests a few places.

lately I've been seeing a lot of people aroun veskal's exchange and I think people who know the game are advising players to go there. I know I have.

It's a huge world and in the end if one wants to enjoy the starter stories they can still do that and roll an alt. Or just see if you can do it on your regular character, xp might not be good of course.

But the isle is sort of a double edge sword. You get more player interaction but it isn't as interesting as other areas.

  Dmyankee

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Joined: 6/29/07
Posts: 134

5/13/10 10:48:20 AM#154
Originally posted by Sovrath

The isle is sort of a double edge sword. You get more player interaction but it isn't as interesting as other areas.

Quoted for Truth, I can not agree more.


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  NovaKayne

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Joined: 3/04/04
Posts: 748

That is just my opion and we all know what THAT is good for!

5/13/10 12:01:25 PM#155

I think I posted this earlier.  If you want to try a fun experiment.  Take a group of close plyaers who all play about the same time.  All of you agree that 1 time per week you will get together on a certain character and play at a specific time.

 

If you can get 6 people to do this, it is like a DnD PnP setting.  Lots of fun going through the different areas and playing together.   We did it with a group out in the remote parts of the Half Giant area.

 

Lots of fun, very little competition for spawn and drops for questing.  Very interesting story and a blast for Role Play!  Being in a group like that will level you up quick even if only playing 1 time a week.  It does take a commitment though and players can go up in other spheres  ( crafting and Diplomacy ) if they play more than the others, or play an alt.

 

Say hello, To the things you've left behind. They are more a part of your life now that you can't touch them.

  mrw0lf

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Joined: 4/09/05
Posts: 2311

5/13/10 12:43:46 PM#156

I haven't resubbed with the attitude of changing the development of SOE, tbh I just don't think that is a realistic objective and will ultimately result in dissapointment. Play it for what it is, with a good group of people all starting from scratch and plenty of conversation, a generally enjoyable game with plenty to do, that will do me. I'll enjoy it while it lasts and when/if it ends I'll play something else.

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  Dmyankee

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Joined: 6/29/07
Posts: 134

5/13/10 1:18:47 PM#157

I play the game because the community is fantastic and the game has more depth than just dungeon crawling.


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  Zorgo

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Joined: 12/05/05
Posts: 2193

Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

5/13/10 1:26:43 PM#158
Originally posted by Dmyankee

I play the game because the community is fantastic and the game has more depth than just dungeon crawling.

You forgot to mention that the dungeon crawling you do is more challenging and fun than most.

  Zorgo

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Joined: 12/05/05
Posts: 2193

Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

5/13/10 1:33:23 PM#159
Originally posted by mrw0lf

I haven't resubbed with the attitude of changing the development of SOE, tbh I just don't think that is a realistic objective and will ultimately result in dissapointment. Play it for what it is, with a good group of people all starting from scratch and plenty of conversation, a generally enjoyable game with plenty to do, that will do me. I'll enjoy it while it lasts and when/if it ends I'll play something else.

Unfortunately, you may be right. Many have said the only thing that can save the game now is for the current population to convince enough to subscribe that SOE changes their mind. A huge long shot. Probably won't happen. But, at least an attempt is being made, and even if the doors close on VG, at least I'll have one last shot to play VG as intended with a large active guild before the lights are out.

So, maybe you're right. Perhaps what we are saying is, 'this may be your last chance'. Like going to the last game of your favorite sports team before they move cities.

In any case, the rumor is that EQnext or EQ3 is more likely to try and improve upon VG as a base, rather than EQ2. And that is encouraging. If it weren't SOE, it might even be down right exciting.

edit: i wish i could teach myself to just say 'QFT'.

  Sovrath

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5/13/10 4:24:24 PM#160
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by mrw0lf

I haven't resubbed with the attitude of changing the development of SOE, tbh I just don't think that is a realistic objective and will ultimately result in dissapointment. Play it for what it is, with a good group of people all starting from scratch and plenty of conversation, a generally enjoyable game with plenty to do, that will do me. I'll enjoy it while it lasts and when/if it ends I'll play something else.

Unfortunately, you may be right. Many have said the only thing that can save the game now is for the current population to convince enough to subscribe that SOE changes their mind. A huge long shot. Probably won't happen. But, at least an attempt is being made, and even if the doors close on VG, at least I'll have one last shot to play VG as intended with a large active guild before the lights are out.

So, maybe you're right. Perhaps what we are saying is, 'this may be your last chance'. Like going to the last game of your favorite sports team before they move cities.

In any case, the rumor is that EQnext or EQ3 is more likely to try and improve upon VG as a base, rather than EQ2. And that is encouraging. If it weren't SOE, it might even be down right exciting.

edit: i wish i could teach myself to just say 'QFT'.

I would definitley agree that one must play vanguard as is and not have any high hopes of huge resources coming from soe.

SOE is a company that is essentially business first. They will put their money where they can hope to make the most profit and ride the wave of whatever trend is happening at the time.

Vanguard is not new and shiny.

But you know, I have watched mini-series knowing that they would end and have gone to amusement parks knowing I would have to come home eventually.

I play the game for what it offers me now. I don't require much else.

As far as the whoel EQ 3 thing that is a rumor started from players.

I can't tell you have man y times I've seen players post "EQ 3 should take the best of Vanguard and EQ and EQ 2" or some such iteration.

So that's where that rumor comes from. It's just a large game of telephone.

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