If it has occurred to everyone. This expansion looks to be not optional, if you wish to play WoW you must buy the new expansion. "Cataclysm", As blizzard already announced the old azeroth is gone, and everything will be changed. You just won't be able to buy WoW for 20 dollars, and play the game.

So lets do math, for a new player to play wow at Catecylsm (20+20+30+40=90 dollars?) WITH A FREE MONTH! yawn, no ones going to do that. And in order to keep playing WoW you have to buy the expansion if you like it or not. Or what "NO MORE AZEROTH/KALIMDOR 4 U!".

Might as well switch the bold up their as, (RETAIL: 90dollars, PAY-TYPE: Subscription, with item shop!)

Other Random Ranting thoughts.

(Not to mention, they are ruining the classes, and taking out stuff thats supposibly useless and confusing, such as fireward, frostward, dampen magic? How is that confusing and complex, and useless?. Removal of totems, disarm while blade storming (question your self how you grab huge axe while a dood is spinning ultra fast?) retarded is what it is..)

Hence why ACTIFAIL i believe is the cause of the greediness, and Bliz's fault for giving into the nub players  -regarding the nerfs. On the other hand, seems pally and druids will never be nerfed seriously.(Guess thats what most people play, that and hunters, and of course DK's)

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I thought the world change was going to be an actual patch and not be in the expansion. I could be wrong since I really don't pay much attention to WoW anymore.

Originally posted by cukimunga

I thought the world change was going to be an actual patch and not be in the expansion. I could be wrong since I really don't pay much attention to WoW anymore.

It is the expansion adds all the new 81+ spells and content. All you need to play in the new world is the original WoW.

Cataclysm will NOT be required whatsoever.

Everything like the Azeroth revamp will be patched in.

Originally posted by leumasx7

 supposibly

 lol... i dont know why this made me giggle

Originally posted by leumasx7

If it has occurred to everyone. This expansion looks to be not optional, if you wish to play WoW you must buy the new expansion. "Cataclysm", As blizzard already announced the old azeroth is gone, and everything will be changed. You just won't be able to buy WoW for 20 dollars, and play the game.

So lets do math, for a new player to play wow at Catecylsm (20+20+30+40=90 dollars?) WITH A FREE MONTH! yawn, no ones going to do that. And in order to keep playing WoW you have to buy the expansion if you like it or not. Or what "NO MORE AZEROTH/KALIMDOR 4 U!".

 

Might as well switch the bold up their as, (RETAIL: 90dollars, PAY-TYPE: Subscription, with item shop!)

 

Other Random Ranting thoughts.

(Not to mention, they are ruining the classes, and taking out stuff thats supposibly useless and confusing, such as fireward, frostward, dampen magic? How gay, how is that confusing and complex, and useless?. Removal of totems, disarm while blade storming (question your self how you grab huge axe while a dood is spinning ultra fast?) retarded is what it is..)

 

Hence why ACTIFAIL i believe is the cause of the greediness, and Bliz's fault for giving into the nub players  -regarding the nerfs. On the other hand, seems pally and druids will never be nerfed seriously.(Guess thats what most people play, that and hunters, and of course DK's)

 You really should read more than a headline when it comes to making such statements.

You do NOT need the expansion, you WILL not be forced to buy the expansion to still enjoy the game.

Originally posted by cukimunga

I thought the world change was going to be an actual patch and not be in the expansion. I could be wrong since I really don't pay much attention to WoW anymore.

You are correct. The original poster is grossly misinformed.

Ok first. Lets clear up some things.

1) I don't play WoW currently, because currently it's crap.

2) Even if you say, one expansion does all right now, then that means in most cases it will cost more. So the past expansion cost were wasted?, and we have to buy more anyway for the new one if we wanted it.

3) Not a troll this is a serious thread, posing a real question.

4) Dev post, with final statement backing up your post, or my statement still stands.

5) Activision allows a free big patch like that?

6) Grossly is a bad choice of words, and does not make scense in your sentence.

7) They took the joy out of the game when they made people turn to PVE more then PVP, took forever to get a queue

As for stepping in the right direction?, i am a vanilla player; And their is nothing that i agree with, and almost every single person that i played with in vanilla (and still talk to, about 15), Also agree. WoW=Noob's game now, Gear extermely easy to get, mounts easy to get now, class balance still screwed up, easy dungeon/raids, easy leveling. 'Easy Mode'; As for me i like a scense of challenge and acomplishment, WoW use to have that, yet they went away from it and now just made it easy. For It going in the right direction is Your Opinion. Just like everything i said was mine. 

And i think that about says it to most topic poster's

It will be like the previous ones, you won't need it as far as you aren't interested in hitting 81+ content and surviving in PvP servers. And probably for playing as a Goblin/Worgen (interesting, btw, as you won't be getting just high end content for your money and that's much more "fair" than offering a new expansion exclusive overpowered hero class that as a "mere" coincidence stays like that for some time).

Oh... and the green quest rewards from the first quests you do in the 81 area will probably be better than what the Lich King drops.

I stopped bothering when they've started with the pets, was planning to re-sub but I'll wait to see how their pace will be, it's smelling bad like a Cryptic Store in my opinion (and yes, I know about the TCG Loot Cards, the Blizzcon Goody Bags and whatever else, I had to stretch my previous line to accept those, will take some time for me to stretch it again if I ever do).

Originally posted by leumasx7

Ok first. Lets clear up some things.

1) I don't play WoW currently, because currently it's crap.

2) Even if you say, one expansion does all right now, then that means in most cases it will cost more. So the past expansion cost were wasted?, and we have to buy more anyway for the new one if we wanted it.

3) Not a troll this is a serious thread, posing a real question.

4) Dev post, with final statement backing up your post, or my statement still stands.

1 - irrelevant to the actual discussion.. but.. playing a game is personal choice, if you dont like it, you dont have to.

2. ... each expansion added things to the game, burning crusade added bloodeleves etc, lich king added deathknights, and cataclysm will add goblins and werewolves.. you need those expansions to access those races etc, your not forced to buy them, if you dont wish to.

3. your opinion, but perhaps not shared by everyone.

4. perhaps you ought to actually read the dev posts, before making a statement based on them, of course, it could be that you misunderstood them.

cataclysm will revamp WoW, players without any of the expansions will still be playing in the same world as everyone else, its just that they won't have access to the new races etc, without the new expansion, its a matter of choice, but considering that Blizzard have put in a lot of time and effort into the whole thing, its not like the expansion will be without value, unlike those released by other mmo's that.. i won't mention here

Can't imagine why anyone, even a new player would not want to play the new content.

I don't even like the game anymore but if I returned it would be to experience the re-written world.

But as others have said, no need to buy it really as long as you don't mind not getting the new levels.

Originally posted by Phry

Originally posted by leumasx7

Ok first. Lets clear up some things.

1) I don't play WoW currently, because currently it's crap.

2) Even if you say, one expansion does all right now, then that means in most cases it will cost more. So the past expansion cost were wasted?, and we have to buy more anyway for the new one if we wanted it.

3) Not a troll this is a serious thread, posing a real question.

4) Dev post, with final statement backing up your post, or my statement still stands.

1 - irrelevant to the actual discussion.. but.. playing a game is personal choice, if you dont like it, you dont have to.

2. ... each expansion added things to the game, burning crusade added bloodeleves etc, lich king added deathknights, and cataclysm will add goblins and werewolves.. you need those expansions to access those races etc, your not forced to buy them, if you dont wish to.

3. your opinion, but perhaps not shared by everyone.

4. perhaps you ought to actually read the dev posts, before making a statement based on them, of course, it could be that you misunderstood them.

cataclysm will revamp WoW, players without any of the expansions will still be playing in the same world as everyone else, its just that they won't have access to the new races etc, without the new expansion, its a matter of choice, but considering that Blizzard have put in a lot of time and effort into the whole thing, its not like the expansion will be without value, unlike those released by other mmo's that.. i won't mention here

1) Mainly replying to the random troll ridiculing me of random things.

2)er, k.... if thats so..

3)Always my opinion, i usually do say "IMO, or my opinion"; because usually if you don't people take it to serious.

4)Don't have much time between work/classes/other lala. PS, why would i read a forum with different dev post for a game i don't even play anymore?, after vanilla is started going down a little hill. Lichking, ton of people quit. Now Cate, mixed opinions. Pretty much all vanilla players i still know, won't be coming back to WoW. Not just cause of the other expansions and changes they did, but also because of the retarded class changes, and not to mention some useless ones.

Other comments.

5) So you play EvE, *snif* -The next expansion for EvE i think will be more impresive then Cate (and free). Between the strategy mode for planets and your PoS's, the walking in station and other random stuff you can do in them. The Link of intergration between dust 514 and eve corps. Win. (Yet EvE online does not look fun at most cases at first, you have to progress a little and find what you want to do before you actually can have some real fun).

Originally posted by leumasx7

If it has occurred to everyone. This expansion looks to be not optional, if you wish to play WoW you must buy the new expansion. "Cataclysm", As blizzard already announced the old azeroth is gone, and everything will be changed. You just won't be able to buy WoW for 20 dollars, and play the game.

So lets do math, for a new player to play wow at Catecylsm (20+20+30+40=90 dollars?) WITH A FREE MONTH! yawn, no ones going to do that. And in order to keep playing WoW you have to buy the expansion if you like it or not. Or what "NO MORE AZEROTH/KALIMDOR 4 U!".

 

Might as well switch the bold up their as, (RETAIL: 90dollars, PAY-TYPE: Subscription, with item shop!)

 

Other Random Ranting thoughts.

(Not to mention, they are ruining the classes, and taking out stuff thats supposibly useless and confusing, such as fireward, frostward, dampen magic? How gay, how is that confusing and complex, and useless?. Removal of totems, disarm while blade storming (question your self how you grab huge axe while a dood is spinning ultra fast?) retarded is what it is..)

 

Hence why ACTIFAIL i believe is the cause of the greediness, and Bliz's fault for giving into the nub players  -regarding the nerfs. On the other hand, seems pally and druids will never be nerfed seriously.(Guess thats what most people play, that and hunters, and of course DK's)

World is being changed permanently for everyone, ofcourse its optional, except you just can't advance further, quiet logical for an EXPANSION PACK isn't it?

Second thing of your post is just trolling, its just sad,i mean  question how to grab a huge axe while a dood is spinning ultra fast?  I'd alread be stunned if i saw someone cast a fireball in real life, its a game, its their game, and we play it how the want us to, and so far there are QUITE some people who enjoy WoW.

P.S. i currently don't even play WoW, but this is just a troll attempt, period.

Will I need the expansion to be able to experience the Cataclysm changes?

When the Cataclysm occurs, it will occur for all players, whether they have purchased the expansion or not--you will no longer be to play in the original version of Kalimdor or the Eastern Kingdoms. However, certain features such as the new zones, new races, and new level cap will only be accessible to players who purchase the expansion.

Doesn't take much to go to the Cataclysm website and look up the FAQ....18th question down.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm/faq/

Originally posted by Dethevan

Will I need the expansion to be able to experience the Cataclysm changes?

 

When the Cataclysm occurs, it will occur for all players, whether they have purchased the expansion or not--you will no longer be to play in the original version of Kalimdor or the Eastern Kingdoms. However, certain features such as the new zones, new races, and new level cap will only be accessible to players who purchase the expansion.

 

Doesn't take much to go to the Cataclysm website and look up the FAQ....18th question down.

 

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm/faq/

Well since you cleared up my rumor. I guess there is no need for this thread to go on.

To an Old school EQ player, WoW has been a noob game since day 1. Sooooo easy.

the facts are the following:

the EXPANSION that you buy gives you the 80+ content.

what happens to Azeroth is not an EXPANSION but a SUBSTITUTION. So the 1-80 content, minus the new races that is being changed...its free and coming with basic wow install. That you dont have to pay a cent for.

again, that part of the game is not EXPANDED, it is MODIFIED. So you get it for free regardless if you want it or not. the current version is tossed in the garbage.

does it make sense? so if you dont get Cataclysm, you still get all the azeroth changes. Because they happen to the World not to the Expansion pack.

Originally posted by leumasx7

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So lets do math, for a new player to play wow at Catecylsm (20+20+30+40=90 dollars?) WITH A FREE MONTH!

What sort of math makes 20+20+30+40 equal to 90 and not 110?

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by leumasx7

.

So lets do math, for a new player to play wow at Catecylsm (20+20+30+40=90 dollars?) WITH A FREE MONTH!

What sort of math makes 20+20+30+40 equal to 90 and not 110?

 LOL, nice catch, didnt even look at that.