Posted by RudyRaccoon on 4/07/10 at 7:59:32 AM

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

 

The Lord of the Rings Online

Cons

• Doesn't have the epic quality of the Peter Jackson LotR film trilogy. =(

Well, neither did the books, really, at least in terms of epic battles.  Large scale battles were pretty much glossed over.  Oftentimes the actual "epic" events were described by a character, and not actually observed in realtime, so to speak.  But yeah I read ya... huge epic battles would be nice, but this has been a problem with almost all MMO's.

 

 

DDO

 

Cons

• Can be difficult to play to avoid mob caster damage. Not sure if your meant to tumble all the time?

Some caster damage hits automatically.  Ex.  Magic Missile's will always hit you, unless you're protected by a sheild spell or something similar.

• Stats from gear are very over the top and hard to understand unless your familar with the pen and paper game it's based off.

It's tough for me to recognize this, since I grew up on PnP games.  But it seems to me that the DDO/DnD stats are the simplest in the MMO genre in most cases.  Parry, for example, adds 4(?) to your AC, which makes an attack 20% less likely to hit you, because a d20 is rolled to determine attack success.  Look at parry in LotRO, where a parry skill of 200 gives you, like, a 3% chance to parry, which only blocks a certain percentage of the damage, a percentage which is based on another stat whose name escapes me.  I may not have the numbers right, here, but I'm pretty sure I'm correct on the formula.  Point being, LotRO's stats seem much more complex to me than DDO's.

 

The downside to DDO in this is that increments are pretty big.  There's a pretty big difference in effectiveness between a +1 and +2 sword or armor, let alone a +1 and a +5, particularly when compared to gear upgrades in other MMO's.  There are big gaps for getting new, better gear.

• It's purely a melee game so casters and Rangers have their work cut out with their range attacks which miss nearly everytime.

Hmmm.  I play a 4th level Ranger, and I hit most of the time.  But then, I have pretty decent Dex, use a +2 Longbow, and usually +1 or +2 arrows.  However, I'd add to your point that those things cost money, while using a melee weapon doesn't.  It could be argued that Monks are king, since equipment is less of an issue for them.  Ironically, they can potentially be the wealthiest class in the game.

 

Anyhoo... well thought out review.  Thanks for sharing!

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Originally posted by Blueharp

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

That's really had when you think about it, I had a real life friend once, not sure if he still plays it but I've not seen him forever now and WoW pretty much destroyed our friendship, I had a feeling my "dog eat dog" statement would be true,it seems like MMORPG's are not meant for friendships anymore, what is the point in MMORPG's when you could just play an RPG game like Final Fantasy. I don't think I'll ever come across anyone around where I live who plays WoW now.

I tried General, no-one ever speaks to you and it's not a global channel like Trade but you can't talk on that because it's meant to be used for "trading".

Most people use trade for all sorts of nonsense, but to be honest, if you want to talk, there are methods to do it.  The problem is having people to talk with, which is something you've got to take upon yourself.  If you can't find real life friends that play WOW, I doubt you'll have any better luck with other games though.   Certainly won't find different people as a rule.

that said, you can find some good people, like I did.   Met some great friends in WOW. YMMV.

Are you come to tell me that I shouldn't play MMORPG's because I don't have real life friends? If that's the case then I guess I shouldn't play these type of games anymore. =p

 

Edit: I had a feeling this would be the end of my MMORPG days, never realised MMORPGs were meant to be played with people you know in real life, since I don't have any then I guess I'll leave now and stick to the single player only games. =(

Ahem, if you believe that was what I said, then you grossly misread me.  What I am saying is that you are not more likely to find people in real life who play games other than WOW, so I don't see those other games as offering much of a chance either. 

Your emo-drama really doesn't help though.   You said you had a problem reaching people, I offered a method that worked well enough for me.   If you're not going to do be able to do it then yeah, you probably will have a greater difficulty joining the community, because you don't want to establish any connections, you seem to just want an instant rapport.

And when you don't get it, you just storm off in a huff. 

Sorry if I'm harsh, but you got on my nerves with this attitude. 

Originally posted by Acvivm

Posted by RudyRaccoon on 4/07/10 at 7:59:32 AM

Originally posted by Acvivm

Posted by RudyRaccoon on 4/06/10 at 5:04:41 PM

WoW

Very rude, immature and dreadful community that's also non-existiant. The community can be terrible but honestly I never had a problem with the community when I first started or today becuase I chose to surround myself with people that I could get along with. Not joining a guild in WoW that you can get along with will undoubtly make the game a real drag. Oh yeah...and turning off trade chat helped too :).

Problem is most guilds are purely raiding guilds, I don't think you can find a proper social guild that you can join as level 1 or 10 and they normally only have about 5-10 members. The biggest problem is actually finding a guild but then again the whole guild thing is not needed anymore due to the new LFG tool. Shame you really need real life friends to play this game. =(

I dont want to make it sound like Im hounding you cause thats not what Im trying to do but honestly all you have to do is spam trade and be honest about what guild you are looking for, yea people will dog you but ignore them (WoW isnt alone in having people that are rude).The helpful guilds exist, you may just have to try a little harder to find one, Ive lvled many toons on many different servers and have never had a real tough time finding a lvling guild with good people.

You need a guild in this game or your journey to 80 will be a long, quiet journey ...in my opinion the best part of the game is making friends and running dungeons together as a guild, see what people fail to grasp is that just because the LFG tool exists doesnt mean give up making friends and quit joining guilds, the tool is there to help you find others to fill missing spots, not pug your way to 80 all by yourself. If you want to do that...knock yourself out but why not meet people along the way who you can group with and play with?

Not only that but there's a load of other things to consider when finding a guild, server type, faction choice, faction population on server, is it a server for rerollers? Since I no-longer own a copy of WoW due to me binning it last December, if I wanted to come back I would have to buy another copy but I'm not sure if I should get the US version instead since more people play then Europe or is that a bad idea for an Englishmen myself due to lag and time zone difference?

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Not only that but there's a load of other things to consider when finding a guild, server type, faction choice, faction population on server, is it a server for rerollers? Since I no-longer own a copy of WoW due to me binning it last December, if I wanted to come back I would have to buy another copy but I'm not sure if I should get the US version instead since more people play then Europe or is that a bad idea for an Englishmen myself due to lag and time zone difference?

You would not have to buy a new copy, your account would still be valid, all you need is the e-mail address involved, or the account name, and you'd be just fine.   Your physical copy is not necessary, though keeping the CD Keys would have been wise.

Originally posted by Blueharp

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Not only that but there's a load of other things to consider when finding a guild, server type, faction choice, faction population on server, is it a server for rerollers? Since I no-longer own a copy of WoW due to me binning it last December, if I wanted to come back I would have to buy another copy but I'm not sure if I should get the US version instead since more people play then Europe or is that a bad idea for an Englishmen myself due to lag and time zone difference?

You would not have to buy a new copy, your account would still be valid, all you need is the e-mail address involved, or the account name, and you'd be just fine.   Your physical copy is not necessary, though keeping the CD Keys would have been wise.

Pardon me, I really don't understand what you mean when you say keeping the CD keys would be wise? I thought the only way to play the US version is to have a physical copy of the US version + CD Key?

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Pardon me, I really don't understand what you mean when you say keeping the CD keys would be wise? I thought the only way to play the US version is to have a physical copy of the US version + CD Key?

No, by CD Keys, I mean the CD keys for the one you said you binned.   That is the umpteen digit/letter code for the actual game that proves to Blizzard you bought it.  Keeping them would allow you to reclaim your account more easily if it were ever hacked or just to get access again should you lose the attached e-mail account or whatever.   But the actual CD/DVD?  Totally irrelevent.  Blizzard doesn't care about that, they only care about the actual account.  

And no, you don't need a physical copy to get a US account, you can download any version you want online as a free trial and upgrade it.    Whether or not they'll accept your payment method may be another story.  I can't guarantee you won't have problems or extra costs, but that's up to you.

If you want to try, you can always ask folks to send you out a scroll of resurrection or a guest-pass invite, though you may want to ask in the WOW forum here specifically for it.   Might even get somebody with a good guild for you.

Originally posted by Blueharp

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Pardon me, I really don't understand what you mean when you say keeping the CD keys would be wise? I thought the only way to play the US version is to have a physical copy of the US version + CD Key?

No, by CD Keys, I mean the CD keys for the one you said you binned.   That is the umpteen digit/letter code for the actual game that proves to Blizzard you bought it.  Keeping them would allow you to reclaim your account more easily if it were ever hacked or just to get access again should you lose the attached e-mail account or whatever.   But the actual CD/DVD?  Totally irrelevent.  Blizzard doesn't care about that, they only care about the actual account.  

And no, you don't need a physical copy to get a US account, you can download any version you want online as a free trial and upgrade it.    Whether or not they'll accept your payment method may be another story.  I can't guarantee you won't have problems or extra costs, but that's up to you.

If you want to try, you can always ask folks to send you out a scroll of resurrection or a guest-pass invite, though you may want to ask in the WOW forum here specifically for it.   Might even get somebody with a good guild for you.

Extra costs? I thought it was cheapier because of exchange rates? I've come to the conclusion that playing the US version from Europe is a bad idea, think it may cause a lot of problems. I guess I could download the game or would it be easier to just get another copy? But I wouldn't come back until Cata comes, starting now be a waste of time.

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

I'm rather annoyed that there isn't really that many good MMORPG's to play around with, I know there's really a lot of them but there's not many that really interest me and the ones that did interest me at some point have their downfalls that make me not really play it. So I'm going to list the games I have played and say what their pros and cons are.

World of Warcraft

Cons

• Very rude, immature and dreadful community that's also non-existiant.
• A dog eat dog world where no-one wants to be your friend.
• Lower level areas are ghost towns regardless of server.
• Old lower level dungeons, 60, 70 and soon 80 dungeons and raids all go to waste like a ghost town.
• The newish LFG has killed off guilds, personally pugs are bad in my personal experience but why people perfer pugging is madness.

1) not in the guild that i am in.

2) May be it is YOU. I have plenty of friends in wow. In fact, more than i have time for.

3) True.

4) NOT true. Because of the new Dungeon Finder tool, low level dungeon is the preferred way to level. I did my pally from 70-80 all in instances.

5) NOT true. You cannot use the new LFG for raids. And you can't PUG ICC after the first few bosses.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

1) not in the guild that i am in.

2) May be it is YOU. I have plenty of friends in wow. In fact, more than i have time for.

3) True.

4) NOT true. Because of the new Dungeon Finder tool, low level dungeon is the preferred way to level. I did my pally from 70-80 all in instances.

5) NOT true. You cannot use the new LFG for raids. And you can't PUG ICC after the first few bosses.

Huh, I find number 4 one that won't make it's mind up, before that the prefered way to level was solo questing but now this Dungeon Finder has come people are back to grouping, why can't this game make it's mind up?

I'm not surprised you have plenty of friends, either your really lucky and I'm having too much bad luck or your bluthing to lure me to a game that's reached it's peak and is a community full of trollers...

Rudy, for christ's sake, find a game other than WoW since you clearly dont like it. Stop dumping "I have no friends" emo drama on the forums like some basement-dwelling furry and then complaining when people give you options.

You're the troll here, no one else is.

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Originally posted by nariusseldon

1) not in the guild that i am in.

2) May be it is YOU. I have plenty of friends in wow. In fact, more than i have time for.

3) True.

4) NOT true. Because of the new Dungeon Finder tool, low level dungeon is the preferred way to level. I did my pally from 70-80 all in instances.

5) NOT true. You cannot use the new LFG for raids. And you can't PUG ICC after the first few bosses.

Huh, I find number 4 one that won't make it's mind up, before that the prefered way to level was solo questing but now this Dungeon Finder has come people are back to grouping, why can't this game make it's mind up?

I'm not surprised you have plenty of friends, either your really lucky and I'm having too much bad luck or your bluthing to lure me to a game that's reached it's peak and is a community full of trollers...

(4) .. well .. at least we have choices. Now running dungeon is a viable (or even superior) choice of leveling. Personally i prefer it.

I don't know why you can't make friends in WOW. With so MANY people, there are bound to be some that will respond to you. Once you are in a guild, making friend is even easier. In fact, I have to NOT take friendship in wow too seriously just because i don't really have time to socialize with everyone.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Originally posted by nariusseldon

1) not in the guild that i am in.

2) May be it is YOU. I have plenty of friends in wow. In fact, more than i have time for.

3) True.

4) NOT true. Because of the new Dungeon Finder tool, low level dungeon is the preferred way to level. I did my pally from 70-80 all in instances.

5) NOT true. You cannot use the new LFG for raids. And you can't PUG ICC after the first few bosses.

Huh, I find number 4 one that won't make it's mind up, before that the prefered way to level was solo questing but now this Dungeon Finder has come people are back to grouping, why can't this game make it's mind up?

I'm not surprised you have plenty of friends, either your really lucky and I'm having too much bad luck or your bluthing to lure me to a game that's reached it's peak and is a community full of trollers...

 

(4) .. well .. at least we have choices. Now running dungeon is a viable (or even superior) choice of leveling. Personally i prefer it.

I don't know why you can't make friends in WOW. With so MANY people, there are bound to be some that will respond to you. Once you are in a guild, making friend is even easier. In fact, I have to NOT take friendship in wow too seriously just because i don't really have time to socialize with everyone.

I've never understood how anyone can't find people to play with in WOW.  They're everywhere. But you know what they say about people who can't make any friends...its not the game.

Originally posted by Josher

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Originally posted by nariusseldon

1) not in the guild that i am in.

2) May be it is YOU. I have plenty of friends in wow. In fact, more than i have time for.

3) True.

4) NOT true. Because of the new Dungeon Finder tool, low level dungeon is the preferred way to level. I did my pally from 70-80 all in instances.

5) NOT true. You cannot use the new LFG for raids. And you can't PUG ICC after the first few bosses.

Huh, I find number 4 one that won't make it's mind up, before that the prefered way to level was solo questing but now this Dungeon Finder has come people are back to grouping, why can't this game make it's mind up?

I'm not surprised you have plenty of friends, either your really lucky and I'm having too much bad luck or your bluthing to lure me to a game that's reached it's peak and is a community full of trollers...

 

(4) .. well .. at least we have choices. Now running dungeon is a viable (or even superior) choice of leveling. Personally i prefer it.

I don't know why you can't make friends in WOW. With so MANY people, there are bound to be some that will respond to you. Once you are in a guild, making friend is even easier. In fact, I have to NOT take friendship in wow too seriously just because i don't really have time to socialize with everyone.

I've never understood how anyone can't find people to play with in WOW.  They're everywhere. But you know what they say about people who can't make any friends...its not the game.

 I recently got bored and did the WoW trial after not playing the game in over a yr.  I was invited to a group within 5 secs of character creation.  There were dozens of newbie chars running around doing quests in just the beginner area.  I ran a quests with a group of 3 others for a couple hrs, said my goodbyes then logged off.  It actually made me want to activate my account, almost. 

I think the whole "horrible community" that everyone here cries about gets started when a couple of idiots start an immature conversation in /gen chat.  Suddenly the whole community is rotten to the core. 

I've been in an mmorpg rut lately and have been popping in and out of mmorpgs.  I see the same pattern in every one.  Some attention seeker says something stupid and either a dozen others start flaming him and shouting STFU for an hr, or the idiot finds a couple of others to engage his attention seeking with a conversation.

I've seen the behavior in Eve, Fallen Earth, EQ2, WoW and countless others.

The problem is made worse by the ones that can't let the attention seeker just go away without giving him exactly what he wants by arguing with him.  Probably those same ones that come here and whine about WoW's horrible community.  What they don't realize is that by engaging in an argument with those kind of people in a games /gen chat, they are very much a part of the "horrible community" that they cry about so much.

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Extra costs? I thought it was cheapier because of exchange rates? I've come to the conclusion that playing the US version from Europe is a bad idea, think it may cause a lot of problems. I guess I could download the game or would it be easier to just get another copy? But I wouldn't come back until Cata comes, starting now be a waste of time.

I wouldn't know what exchange rates, fees, or whatever might come up, hence my inability to offer any guarantees.  Sorry, but it's on you to worry about that stuff.  If you don't have any overriding reason to use the US version I certainly wouldn't recommend it when you already have an existing account which you could reactivate.  Downloading would be what I'd do, but I have no idea what your internet connection is, so who knows?   These are all things you'll have to decide for yourself.  But I can't see buying another copy when you have one.

Originally posted by Blueharp

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Extra costs? I thought it was cheapier because of exchange rates? I've come to the conclusion that playing the US version from Europe is a bad idea, think it may cause a lot of problems. I guess I could download the game or would it be easier to just get another copy? But I wouldn't come back until Cata comes, starting now be a waste of time.

I wouldn't know what exchange rates, fees, or whatever might come up, hence my inability to offer any guarantees.  Sorry, but it's on you to worry about that stuff.  If you don't have any overriding reason to use the US version I certainly wouldn't recommend it when you already have an existing account which you could reactivate.  Downloading would be what I'd do, but I have no idea what your internet connection is, so who knows?   These are all things you'll have to decide for yourself.  But I can't see buying another copy when you have one.

Do you mean it's ok to download the game even though I've lost the box, because I'm just being sure of things like if I get hack and I have no key code to fall back on if my account gets stolen?

That's why I thought it be best to have another copy.

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Do you mean it's ok to download the game even though I've lost the box, because I'm just being sure of things like if I get hack and I have no key code to fall back on if my account gets stolen?

That's why I thought it be best to have another copy.

Well, if you're not planning on playing again till Cataclysm you might as well wait for that, you'll get a new key to use for that, which you can add to your existing account.   You may also be able to used faxed identification information instead of a key, but I don't know if they do that where you live.   It's merely helpful to have it, not necessary.

Originally posted by Blueharp

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Do you mean it's ok to download the game even though I've lost the box, because I'm just being sure of things like if I get hack and I have no key code to fall back on if my account gets stolen?

That's why I thought it be best to have another copy.

Well, if you're not planning on playing again till Cataclysm you might as well wait for that, you'll get a new key to use for that, which you can add to your existing account.   You may also be able to used faxed identification information instead of a key, but I don't know if they do that where you live.   It's merely helpful to have it, not necessary.

Ok, not sure how that works. It's my decision not to come back yet, I want to start off fresh when everybody else wants to start fresh, it's pointless going after the Lich King now, it takes months to get high gear and takes hours of trash mobs and bosses, not worth it, Lich King was meant for people who were ready for him when they already got the gear needed to do him since that patch release. I admit, I've missed out on everything in this game, missed out on the Vanilla glory days of raiding, missed out on TBC and Black Temple and now I've missed out on all that WotLK had to offer including the Battle for the Undercity, I think that might get removed since Thrall is stepping down from being Warchief of the Horde and it wouldn't make sense to do that quest since the leader has changed.

Plus the quests and places are going to change soon, would be annoying to start a quest and then the next day you can't do the quest because they removed it with a different quest. =p

My guess is they will release a preview week before the expansion so you can see what has changed unless you wait for release day for the actual new stuff, Worgen (Werewolves), Goblins and the new class combos for others. Strange Draenei don't get a new class and Blizz has still not shown us the female Worgen yet. =p

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

I'm rather annoyed that there isn't really that many good MMORPG's to play around with, I know there's really a lot of them but there's not many that really interest me and the ones that did interest me at some point have their downfalls that make me not really play it. So I'm going to list the games I have played and say what their pros and cons are.

World of Warcraft

Pros

• Has a powerful story that changes.
• Many different races to choose from to suit anyones tastes, any class is good as long as you like it.
• Environments are nicely designed and all carry there own lore.

Cons

• Very rude, immature and dreadful community that's also non-existiant.
• A dog eat dog world where no-one wants to be your friend.
• Lower level areas are ghost towns regardless of server.
• Old lower level dungeons, 60, 70 and soon 80 dungeons and raids all go to waste like a ghost town.
• The newish LFG has killed off guilds, personally pugs are bad in my personal experience but why people perfer pugging is madness.

Knights Online (Note: This is the very first MMORPG I ever played and I haven't played it since I first played WoW so I don't know much about this game now).

Pros

• F2P.

Cons

• Very, very grindy game.

 

Aion

Pros

• A very pretty polished looking game with beautiful looking environments.
• Huge character customisation to build a character you like to make.

Cons

• Has a lot of annoying character sounds
• Encounted a NPC that disppears without you taking your reward first who is also a quiz NPC. (The guy who asks what axe you threw in lake)
• Mobs in starting areas look really bland.
• Music isn't interesting.
• No water mana drinking for Mage/Priest to restore mana.

Warhammer Online

Pros

• Has RvR PvP.
• Had a lot of hype and good potential to be a good game

Cons

• Mobs respawn too quickly.
• Graphics are not as good as I predicted the game to be.
• Lacks in PvE content.
• Hardly much of a community anymore, the game has become a ghost town.

The Lord of the Rings Online

Pros

• It's Middle Earth!!! =D
• The games own story (mostly based off the books)

Cons

• Doesn't have the epic quality of the Peter Jackson LotR film trilogy. =(
• Can get rather boring and lonely when playing this.

Dungeons & Dragons Online

Pros

• It's Free. =D
• The Dungeon Master voice gives a good story based adventure feel for where you are.
• It's Dungeons & Dragons, pretty much what started the whole RPG genre before video games really kicked in.
• Graphics for characters and environments look great.

Cons

• Can be difficult to play to avoid mob caster damage. Not sure if your meant to tumble all the time?
• Stats from gear are very over the top and hard to understand unless your familar with the pen and paper game it's based off.
• It's purely a melee game so casters and Rangers have their work cut out with their range attacks which miss nearly everytime.

Runes of Magic

Pros

• It's a Freebie, nothing wrong with that.
• Duel Class System so you can pick a second class of your choice that you would wish to play or just for the benefit of your main class. Choices can be unquie at times.

Cons

• Don't like the TP system, it's difficult to choose what skills you want to max or upgrade high.
• Lags a heavy lot.
• Graphics look really cheap, cheezy and nothing great to look at.

 

There you have it, these are all the MMORPG's I've ever played and I don't play any of them now, shame there isn't much other good games, I bet a lot of them are "Ghost Towns" and not worth the time to play them, the only game I want to try is Star Wars The Old Republic but that will be a very long while so I guess I'm stuck for choices, guess I need help finding an MMORPG that would interest me. =p

I don't think you even got to level 10  Cons that are wrong

NPC disapearing is wrong

Potion mana is wrong

You juse started the game all starting mobs should be bland

Personally I like the music even though I really never listen to it but when I do it's good

Originally posted by Kwonjah12

I don't think you even got to level 10  Cons that are wrong

NPC disapearing is wrong

Potion mana is wrong

You juse started the game all starting mobs should be bland

Personally I like the music even though I really never listen to it but when I do it's good

Honestly to god the NPC did disappear while I was trying to pick the reward, this NPC was part of a hidden quest while I was playing a black winged angels whatever they are called. As for the music I guess I was really wrong to bash it because I simply did not hear the music of the later areas.