I'm rather annoyed that there isn't really that many good MMORPG's to play around with, I know there's really a lot of them but there's not many that really interest me and the ones that did interest me at some point have their downfalls that make me not really play it. So I'm going to list the games I have played and say what their pros and cons are.

World of Warcraft

Pros

• Has a powerful story that changes.
• Many different races to choose from to suit anyones tastes, any class is good as long as you like it.
• Environments are nicely designed and all carry there own lore.

• Very rude, immature and dreadful community that's also non-existiant.
• A dog eat dog world where no-one wants to be your friend.
• Lower level areas are ghost towns regardless of server.
• Old lower level dungeons, 60, 70 and soon 80 dungeons and raids all go to waste like a ghost town.
• The newish LFG has killed off guilds, personally pugs are bad in my personal experience but why people perfer pugging is madness.

Not a bad review.  

I would like to have seen your opinion of EQ2 in their.

It sounds like you played Aion for less than 2 hrs and didn't even make it out of the starting area.  IMO this is hardly enough time to be able to post the pros and cons of an MMO.  The cons you point to in Aion are so minor in the grand scheme of things and are downright wrong in other places.  For example: "No water mana drinking for Mage/Priest to restore mana."  Uh...there's potions you can buy from the start of the game and there are food and drink items to buff you just like WoW.  Anyway, there are plenty of real issues in Aion to focus on, but yours seem trivial.  Real issues might include but should not be limited to the GRIND and aerial melee combat.

Hmm, I'm not a big RoM fan, but I thought it looked alright.

Originally posted by page

Not a bad review.  

I would like to have seen your opinion of EQ2 in their.

I've never played EQ2 so I can't review that.

OP I envy you. If I put up a similar post reviewing every mmo I subbed to it would be the length of war and peace.

Originally posted by Nephaerius

It sounds like you played Aion for less than 2 hrs and didn't even make it out of the starting area.  IMO this is hardly enough time to be able to post the pros and cons of an MMO.  The cons you point to in Aion are so minor in the grand scheme of things and are downright wrong in other places.  For example: "No water mana drinking for Mage/Priest to restore mana."  Uh...there's potions you can buy from the start of the game and there are food and drink items to buff you just like WoW.  Anyway, there are plenty of real issues in Aion to focus on, but yours seem trivial.  Real issues might include but should not be limited to the GRIND and aerial melee combat.

Yeah, grinds are bad and I guess aerial combat to melee will suck.

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Originally posted by Nephaerius

It sounds like you played Aion for less than 2 hrs and didn't even make it out of the starting area.  IMO this is hardly enough time to be able to post the pros and cons of an MMO.  The cons you point to in Aion are so minor in the grand scheme of things and are downright wrong in other places.  For example: "No water mana drinking for Mage/Priest to restore mana."  Uh...there's potions you can buy from the start of the game and there are food and drink items to buff you just like WoW.  Anyway, there are plenty of real issues in Aion to focus on, but yours seem trivial.  Real issues might include but should not be limited to the GRIND and aerial melee combat.

Yeah, grinds are bad and I guess aerial combat to melee will suck.

As I said before, sounds like you've hardly played the game, so you just don't know.

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

 

There you have it, these are all the MMORPG's I've ever played and I don't play any of them now, shame there isn't much other good games, I bet a lot of them are "Ghost Towns" and not worth the time to play them, the only game I want to try is Star Wars The Old Republic but that will be a very long while so I guess I'm stuck for choices, guess I need help finding an MMORPG that would interest me. =p

Hm.....an MMO that I suggest pretty often is Mabinogi The main problem most people have with the game is the graphics (anime-ish) so if you can get past the graphics, the game is quite fun. F2P by the way (Nexon released Mabinogi for EU recently, the NA server has IP Block on it to block other countries)

"Very rude, immature and dreadful community that's also non-existiant." ?

If it doesn't exist then how be it be what you described?

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Originally posted by Nephaerius

It sounds like you played Aion for less than 2 hrs and didn't even make it out of the starting area.  IMO this is hardly enough time to be able to post the pros and cons of an MMO.  The cons you point to in Aion are so minor in the grand scheme of things and are downright wrong in other places.  For example: "No water mana drinking for Mage/Priest to restore mana."  Uh...there's potions you can buy from the start of the game and there are food and drink items to buff you just like WoW.  Anyway, there are plenty of real issues in Aion to focus on, but yours seem trivial.  Real issues might include but should not be limited to the GRIND and aerial melee combat.

Yeah, grinds are bad and I guess aerial combat to melee will suck.

hated aion forthe short short hopeless easy quest grind, might shift later on, but really bored of easy quests....no reason to have them when its like this.

Originally posted by Hedeon

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Originally posted by Nephaerius

It sounds like you played Aion for less than 2 hrs and didn't even make it out of the starting area.  IMO this is hardly enough time to be able to post the pros and cons of an MMO.  The cons you point to in Aion are so minor in the grand scheme of things and are downright wrong in other places.  For example: "No water mana drinking for Mage/Priest to restore mana."  Uh...there's potions you can buy from the start of the game and there are food and drink items to buff you just like WoW.  Anyway, there are plenty of real issues in Aion to focus on, but yours seem trivial.  Real issues might include but should not be limited to the GRIND and aerial melee combat.

Yeah, grinds are bad and I guess aerial combat to melee will suck.

hated aion forthe short short hopeless easy quest grind, might shift later on, but really bored of easy quests....no reason to have them when its like this.

Easy quest grind....maybe till lvl 30, but by lvl 50 only 4% of your lvl can be earned from questing.  It may also be worth noting that only 4% of the population has actually hit the 50 cap so you can infer it's probably not a short easy quest grind.  Oh yeah and cuz it's so short and easy they had to start doing double xp weekends too. ;)

Originally posted by Mdpats

"Very rude, immature and dreadful community that's also non-existiant." ?

 

If it doesn't exist then how be it be what you described?

Well, let me put it in another way, basically they all perfer to ignore you, say your level 10 and you try to talk to a level 80 you befriended, biggest chance is they will ignore you most of the time while they do their stuff so really it's like your not talking to anyone.

You put music in the cons of Aion? That game have some of the greatest musical pieces I have heard in a game.

This one's my favourite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmNqRzbZeNI&feature=related

Originally posted by Edli

You put music in the cons of Aion? That game have some of the greatest musical pieces I have heard in a game.

This one's my favourite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmNqRzbZeNI&feature=related

Oh, my bad I guess, maybe the starter area music is where I thought it was bad.

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Well, let me put it in another way, basically they all perfer to ignore you, say your level 10 and you try to talk to a level 80 you befriended, biggest chance is they will ignore you most of the time while they do their stuff so really it's like your not talking to anyone.

There's a reason for that.  Here's what happens.  Some level 10 guy asks me one question.  Then they ask me another question.  And another.  And another.

So yeah, I don't want you for a friend, because most of the time, you're that friend who asks me for a ride everywhere, but never chips in for gas.

Is that so wrong?

That said, I don't mind answering the occasional question, it's just that it helps when the other person realizes that I'm not their magical answering machine.  

Bear in mind, I consider this particular problem to not be WOW related.  It's true in every game I've played. 

OP, Did you at least make it to cap in any of these games?

Originally posted by Blueharp

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Well, let me put it in another way, basically they all perfer to ignore you, say your level 10 and you try to talk to a level 80 you befriended, biggest chance is they will ignore you most of the time while they do their stuff so really it's like your not talking to anyone.

There's a reason for that.  Here's what happens.  Some level 10 guy asks me one question.  Then they ask me another question.  And another.  And another.

So yeah, I don't want you for a friend, because most of the time, you're that friend who asks me for a ride everywhere, but never chips in for gas.

Is that so wrong?

That said, I don't mind answering the occasional question, it's just that it helps when the other person realizes that I'm not their magical answering machine.  

Bear in mind, I consider this particular problem to not be WOW related.  It's true in every game I've played. 

For some reason, everyone in Atlantica asks you A/S/L, and for your name up front, and will consider you as shady if you don't tell them. I for one will give nothing but my gender and vicinity on the globe *if I know you*, I figure every person asking me these things is a weirdo, or a kid who has not learned it's bad to hand out personal info to strangers yet. F'n ridiculous, I don't play these games to make friends.

Originally posted by Nephaerius

OP, Did you at least make it to cap in any of these games?

No, the highest I ever got on WoW was level 63. Other games not passed level 10.

Originally posted by Blueharp

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Well, let me put it in another way, basically they all perfer to ignore you, say your level 10 and you try to talk to a level 80 you befriended, biggest chance is they will ignore you most of the time while they do their stuff so really it's like your not talking to anyone.

There's a reason for that.  Here's what happens.  Some level 10 guy asks me one question.  Then they ask me another question.  And another.  And another.

So yeah, I don't want you for a friend, because most of the time, you're that friend who asks me for a ride everywhere, but never chips in for gas.

Is that so wrong?

That said, I don't mind answering the occasional question, it's just that it helps when the other person realizes that I'm not their magical answering machine.  

Bear in mind, I consider this particular problem to not be WOW related.  It's true in every game I've played. 

Yeah but it's not right to be ignored, I've had a really hard time with WoW, I had to be put up being alone and being unsure of something that I needed advice on. I just couldn't put up with the loneliness anymore, as for other MMORPGs since they have far less communities then WoW you will be lonely anyway, that's what happens if the game isn't at the same level as WoW in population.

"WOW: Old lower level dungeons, 60, 70 and soon 80 dungeons and raids all go to waste like a ghost town."

Nonsense, my alts do nothing but run this content constantly.  My tank character averages a 2-3 min wait between runs (with most starting seconds after I hit the button.)

The only partial truth is that literal level 60 (Strath, etc) and level 70 (Shattered Halls, etc) dungeons get skipped over in favor of the successive expansion's dungeons.  It'd be nice if they'd simply recalibrate dungeon levels so that less repetition happens (you run SM Graveyard a lot) and the unused dungeons get run.

And of course no old raids get run, but let's face it: they weren't exactly the high point of WOW game design and nobody really misses em.  ...except for the fact that this statement is patently my opinion and people actually do run old raids quite frequently (Nef's head has been mounted in Orgrimmar a lot this past month.)  But for a lot of players like myself, the complete lack of challenge combined with "been there, done that" makes these instances unappealing.

"WAR: Had a lot of hype and good potential to be a good game"

I'm not sure this counts as a pro.

"DDO: The Dungeon Master voice gives a good story based adventure feel for where you are."

Definitely agree with this one.  That voice actor is a seldom-mentioned highpoint of the game.

"Well, let me put it in another way, basically they all perfer to ignore you, say your level 10 and you try to talk to a level 80 you befriended, biggest chance is they will ignore you most of the time while they do their stuff so really it's like your not talking to anyone."

Are they really your friend if they ignore you most of the time?

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Originally posted by Nephaerius

OP, Did you at least make it to cap in any of these games?

No, the highest I ever got on WoW was level 63. Other games not passed level 10.

This list is obsolete in that case

Originally posted by Citius

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Originally posted by Nephaerius

OP, Did you at least make it to cap in any of these games?

No, the highest I ever got on WoW was level 63. Other games not passed level 10.

This list is obsolete in that case

How is it obsolete? Just because I don't have maxed out characters doesn't mean I can't have my say. Honestly... =p

Originally posted by Axehilt

"WOW: Old lower level dungeons, 60, 70 and soon 80 dungeons and raids all go to waste like a ghost town."

Nonsense, my alts do nothing but run this content constantly.  My tank character averages a 2-3 min wait between runs (with most starting seconds after I hit the button.)

The only partial truth is that literal level 60 (Strath, etc) and level 70 (Shattered Halls, etc) dungeons get skipped over in favor of the successive expansion's dungeons.  It'd be nice if they'd simply recalibrate dungeon levels so that less repetition happens (you run SM Graveyard a lot) and the unused dungeons get run.

And of course no old raids get run, but let's face it: they weren't exactly the high point of WOW game design and nobody really misses em.  ...except for the fact that this statement is patently my opinion and people actually do run old raids quite frequently (Nef's head has been mounted in Orgrimmar a lot this past month.)  But for a lot of players like myself, the complete lack of challenge combined with "been there, done that" makes these instances unappealing.

"WAR: Had a lot of hype and good potential to be a good game"

I'm not sure this counts as a pro.

"DDO: The Dungeon Master voice gives a good story based adventure feel for where you are."

Definitely agree with this one.  That voice actor is a seldom-mentioned highpoint of the game.

"Well, let me put it in another way, basically they all perfer to ignore you, say your level 10 and you try to talk to a level 80 you befriended, biggest chance is they will ignore you most of the time while they do their stuff so really it's like your not talking to anyone."

Are they really your friend if they ignore you most of the time?

Why are you pugging instances? Most people you may group with are noobs and idiots.

As for the friend thing, it's very, very difficult for me to befriend people and it's very hard to know who your friends are and or is just a somebody who doesn't really want to be your friend.

Originally posted by RudyRaccoon

Yeah but it's not right to be ignored, I've had a really hard time with WoW, I had to be put up being alone and being unsure of something that I needed advice on. I just couldn't put up with the loneliness anymore, as for other MMORPGs since they have far less communities then WoW you will be lonely anyway, that's what happens if the game isn't at the same level as WoW in population.

Well, I don't think it's right to demand somebody else pay attention to you when you're a total stranger either.  So it's kind of a toss-up depending on where you stand.

At least in WOW, there tends to be somebody in General though.   So if you want to ask "Where is the Defias Messenger" then you have a chance of getting a response.

But I'll tell you this, the guy saying "Can I have 15 silver on my server right now" he's not getting any of my gold.  He's ignored, and it's right for me to ignore him.

Anyway, this isn't a game problem, it's common to all games everywhere.   But here's the thing about WOW, if you know what to do, you can find a community pretty easily.   First, good chance you'll find folks in your real life around you that play.  Second, there's always some sort of leveling or re-roll or noob guild going on. 

Sure, it could fail anyway, but it's not WOW's fault.  It's people EVERYWHERE.   Sad, but true.  I have a lot of people who aren't really my friends, who weren't really my friends, and I live with that.