I was just wondering, because i live in Sweden with about 87% Athist population......i take non-religion living as the normal way of life. I dont know anyone religious or have ever hardly met one.

But i have heard that is considered a "bad thing" in some other countrys! So naturally i had to post a thread here and get some more inforation about that

Anyone here know anything that could enlighten regarding Athism?

Thank you.

 EDIT: I have removes the extra "e" i put in the word : )

In my view, atheism is proof that God gave man freewill.

87% are atheists in Sweden?  I preferred it when the Swedes followed the old gods, Odin, Thor and the like.  At least, they wrote some killer sagas.

Oh look, it's this thread again.

Also, any Atheist worth his salt would tell you that free will doesn't exist.

Else they simply haven't given much thought to life.

If you wanted to know why Atheism or Agnosticism or Ignosticism or whatever are considered so vile in other countries, that's because other countries are populated with people who will believe anything they're told from a young age and continue to do so regardless of any indication that what they were indoctrinated with was a complete lie (the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus are not real to them, as they were told that by their parents... but nobody told their parents that God wasn't real, so you can see where the issues begin).

Also, critical thinking escapes public schools as a required course. Nobody learns it in the states, and it's evident from the way people here behave.

Yeay, its weird. We have a lot of religious education in christianity, Islam, Buddism, Hinduism and so on. Just so we should know how to speak to a religious person if we meet one.

For example: The fat little dude many belive to be Buddha is wrong. Thats Hotei, he is like a santa clause. Siddharta Gautama is th real Buddha (for Buddhist)....a thin person.

And i still have no idea why it would be a bad thing beeing a Atehist

Originally posted by Plasuma!!!

Oh look, it's this thread again.

Also, any Atheist worth his salt would tell you that free will doesn't exist.

Else they simply haven't given much thought to life.

 

 

 

If you wanted to know why Atheism or Agnosticism or Ignosticism or whatever are considered so vile in other countries, that's because other countries are populated with people who will believe anything they're told from a young age and continue to do so regardless of any indication that what they were indoctrinated with was a complete lie (the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus are not real to them, as they were told that by their parents... but nobody told their parents that God wasn't real, so you can see where the issues begin).One hell of a run on sentence. The holy minority. All those other people are wrong, right? The reason some people like atheism is it gives them a excuse to do the things they want to do with no ill effects. Why it is popular among the younger generation. It is also why liberalism and atheism go hand in hand. As liberals can do the things they do without getting in trouble.

Why predators like Gameloading stand by it 100%. Oh you did not know that about him?  Guess I let the Hat out of the Bag!  Yes, Gameloading is on a WATCH list. Is that nice to know!

Also, critical thinking escapes public schools as a required course. Nobody learns it in the states, and it's evident from the way people here behave. Thats why we have Obama as President. I agree with you there!

Originally posted by daarco

I was just wondering, because i live in Sweden with about 87% Atehist population......i take non-religion living as the normal way of life. I dont know anyone religious or have ever hardly met one.

But i have heard that is considered a "bad thing" in some other countrys! So naturally i had to post a thread here and get some more inforation about that

Anyone here know anything that could enlighten regarding Atehism?

 

 

Thank you.

Have you been to the US?

I've lived in Europe. Not Sweden, but Germany, The Netherlands, and Romania.

From my experience religion is very different in the US versus the EU.

In the EU the majority of people that are religious, and this is just anecdotal, have no political agenda, and they are not very concerned about proselytizing. They are concerned with following their religion. Praying, going to church, spending time with other members of the congregation. And that's pretty much it. There is a minority that is more like the majority of christians  in Americans.

In America, the majority of Christians combine religion with  politics. They want to outlaw abortion, make laws against gays, teach creationism in schools, and they really, really want to proselytize, put religious symbols in public places, things like that. It's their main concern, much more important that praying, going to church, stuff like that. Then there is a small minority that isn't like that, but is truly spiritual.

You can see the attitude I"m talking about when you read xpowderx's posts. It's all about converting people, and he knows the truth and you don't, etc., etc., but completely devoid of anything that would be considered spiritual. More like a political stance than a religion really.

Atheism isn't really viewed that negatively around where I live, I'm sure if I lived in the deep rural south I might get some insults, but if you live near any major metropolis it really isn't that big of a deal.

Atheism is one of the fastest growing belief systems in the U.S., hopefully that trend keeps up.

Originally posted by xpowderx 

Why predators like Gameloading stand by it 100%. Oh you did not know that about him?  Guess I let the Hat out of the Bag!  Yes, Gameloading is on a WATCH list. Is that nice to know!

What's with the outright personal attacks?

When you speak of "watch lists" such as above, I think of you as being Steve Buscemi from Billy Madison where he is holding a gun, putting on lipstick and has a list of "People to Kill".

Originally posted by xpowderx

Originally posted by Plasuma!!!

Oh look, it's this thread again.

Also, any Atheist worth his salt would tell you that free will doesn't exist.

Else they simply haven't given much thought to life.

 

 

 

If you wanted to know why Atheism or Agnosticism or Ignosticism or whatever are considered so vile in other countries, that's because other countries are populated with people who will believe anything they're told from a young age and continue to do so regardless of any indication that what they were indoctrinated with was a complete lie (the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus are not real to them, as they were told that by their parents... but nobody told their parents that God wasn't real, so you can see where the issues begin).One hell of a run on sentence. The holy minority. All those other people are wrong, right? The reason some people like atheism is it gives them a excuse to do the things they want to do with no ill effects. Why it is popular among the younger generation. It is also why liberalism and atheism go hand in hand. As liberals can do the things they do without getting in trouble.

Why predators like Gameloading stand by it 100%. Oh you did not know that about him?  Guess I let the Hat out of the Bag!  Yes, Gameloading is on a WATCH list. Is that nice to know!

Also, critical thinking escapes public schools as a required course. Nobody learns it in the states, and it's evident from the way people here behave. Thats why we have Obama as President. I agree with you there!

 

These people are probably the minority as religious people make up more of the prison population per capita than atheist do.

Also, Predator? Watch list? What are you talking about? 

Are you going to post false conspiracy theories about other posters now, Nutcase?

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by xpowderx

Originally posted by Plasuma!!!

Oh look, it's this thread again.

Also, any Atheist worth his salt would tell you that free will doesn't exist.

Else they simply haven't given much thought to life.

 

 

 

If you wanted to know why Atheism or Agnosticism or Ignosticism or whatever are considered so vile in other countries, that's because other countries are populated with people who will believe anything they're told from a young age and continue to do so regardless of any indication that what they were indoctrinated with was a complete lie (the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus are not real to them, as they were told that by their parents... but nobody told their parents that God wasn't real, so you can see where the issues begin).One hell of a run on sentence. The holy minority. All those other people are wrong, right? The reason some people like atheism is it gives them a excuse to do the things they want to do with no ill effects. Why it is popular among the younger generation. It is also why liberalism and atheism go hand in hand. As liberals can do the things they do without getting in trouble.

Why predators like Gameloading stand by it 100%. Oh you did not know that about him?  Guess I let the Hat out of the Bag!  Yes, Gameloading is on a WATCH list. Is that nice to know!

Also, critical thinking escapes public schools as a required course. Nobody learns it in the states, and it's evident from the way people here behave. Thats why we have Obama as President. I agree with you there!

 

 

These people are probably the minority as religious people make up more of the prison population per capita than atheist do.

Also, Predator? Watch list? What are you talking about? 

Are you going to post false conspiracy theories about other posters now, Nutcase?

Normally I don't agree with xpowderx, but in this case, well Gameloading is on the FBI most wanted list.

Some may think that's an achievement, some may think that's a bad thing. I'll leave it up to people to make their own decisions.

I"m not saying Gameloading is Usama Bin Laden, but he's one of the other 9 on the list. I'm not saying which one exactly, because I don't want to get hurt.

Lol, are you for real?
 

Mixing religion with politics! Have read about some Muslims and Christians do that. The result is not always that impressive.

Compared to that, Atehism is harmless   

Originally posted by Gameloading

Lol, are you for real?
 

Originally posted by Plasuma!!!

Also, any Atheist worth his salt would tell you that free will doesn't exist.

Else they simply haven't given much thought to life.

 

I'll bite. Elaborate.

Originally posted by xpowderx

Why predators like Gameloading stand by it 100%. Oh you did not know that about him?  Guess I let the Hat out of the Bag!  Yes, Gameloading is on a WATCH list. Is that nice to know!

 

WTF?

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by Plasuma!!!

Also, any Atheist worth his salt would tell you that free will doesn't exist.

Else they simply haven't given much thought to life.

 

 

I'll bite. Elaborate.

Right. I'm terrible at explaining this particular bit of my beliefs, but I'll give it a shot.

If you believe in free will, you also believe that chaos exists or that one's will is outside the realm of physical existence - the belief that one's will is a cause rather than part of a chain of reactions. "Free" will.

Whereas according to science, your will is not free at all, as everything you do is reactionary and quite predictable - and you can be forced to perform in ways you otherwise would not, while actively believing you would. The way the chemicals in your brain work, the alignment of the neurons, etc. are all reacting to lots of different patterns (possibly every pattern) that react to you as well. It's something of a butterfly effect. So what caused and continues to cause all these reactions?

If there was a big bang (a popular theory), it caused one huge chain reaction that is still continuing today. Every thought you have, every action you take is a reaction this great and potentially predictable cause.

Alternatives to the big bang I am skeptical about, as they reason beyond what can be measured or perceived. They may also suggest a theory of chaos (not chaos theory, mind you) - but chaos only exists in relation to ourselves, because it by definition is "the unexpected and unpredictable."

Nothing is unexpected or unpredictable to the universe as a whole.

More or less, it's an observational thing. You may think you have free will and choice over your actions, but you really don't. You're a puppet to physics.

Atehism is a threat to are four fathers who created are grate country in the name of the lord. I got my Bible in one hand and a gun in the other. Who wants to be baptized first?

Originally posted by Plasuma!!!

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by Plasuma!!!

Also, any Atheist worth his salt would tell you that free will doesn't exist.

Else they simply haven't given much thought to life.

 

 

I'll bite. Elaborate.

 

Right. I'm terrible at explaining this particular bit of my beliefs, but I'll give it a shot.

If you believe in free will, you also believe that chaos exists or that one's will is outside the realm of physical existence - the belief that one's will is a cause rather than part of a chain of reactions. "Free" will.

Whereas according to science, your will is not free at all, as everything you do is reactionary and quite predictable - and you can be forced to perform in ways you otherwise would not, while actively believing you would. The way the chemicals in your brain work, the alignment of the neurons, etc. are all reacting to lots of different patterns (possibly every pattern) that react to you as well. It's something of a butterfly effect. So what caused and continues to cause all these reactions?

If there was a big bang (a popular theory), it caused one huge chain reaction that is still continuing today. Every thought you have, every action you take is a reaction this great and potentially predictable cause.

Alternatives to the big bang I am skeptical about, as they reason beyond what can be measured or perceived. They may also suggest a theory of chaos (not chaos theory, mind you) - but chaos only exists in relation to ourselves, because it by definition is "the unexpected and unpredictable."

Nothing is unexpected or unpredictable to the universe as a whole.

 

More or less, it's an observational thing. You may think you have free will and choice over your actions, but you really don't. You're a puppet to physics.

Interesting.

And another fun thing regarding "free will", neurosugeons can read your decisions before they see what you will do. Your mind have alreadt decided, before "you" are notified about what you wanna do!

Creepy? I dont know? If it turns out we have no free will, i guess that is the way the universe work!

Personally i have another theory. I thik every person reacts different to "free will". Some are truly free, and someothers have truly no "free will". And every shade in between. And extremevery far out persons on both sides of that chart.....those persons writes history in some way.

A interesting chart concerning Atheism. According to atheist's the opposite occurred. I tend  to believe this chart more so than a atheist's word of mouth. americanpropaganda.org/