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7/01/12 9:08:00 AM#721
Originally posted by keenber

PVE is boring these days but if you get a good PVE game that doesent pander to the PVP babys then it is far better MMO than any PVP MMO. Actually in most MMO it is PVP that spoiles PVE games because they try to even the classes so nobody has a advantage agaisnt each other and also most of the reason peeps race to top lvl is so they can own others in pvp.

Exactly PvP ruins PvE. In PvP devs have to balance classes to fight each other, when they do that, PvE suffers. In games like XI you had very strict PvE roles and that made it possible to have very challeneging PvE encounters. Most people in the genre now dont even have a clue what a good PvE game can do. Its to the point now they have been feed all these watered down p.o.s mmos for the past 5-8 years that they have either 1 forgot about it, or two was never even in the genre at the time real mmo's were made.

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7/01/12 9:09:06 AM#722

Never in a million years. Playing against other players is the reason i play MMO's, if i want me vs AI then i have plenty of single player games for that.


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7/01/12 9:17:35 AM#723

rules and balancing should be kept completely seperate


have never played PVP - what i have played is 10 on 1 or 30 on 2 - can't imagine "playing" a game where i have to constantly be running around in a gang



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7/01/12 9:22:18 AM#724



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7/01/12 9:25:27 AM#725
Originally posted by Kaynos1972

Would you play a 100% PVE MMO, No PVP at all ? 


Not only would I play it, I yearn for it.

I will be trying FFXIV on it's 2.0 relaunch for exactly that reason.


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7/01/12 9:29:49 AM#726

I would if the game was undeniably fantastic in PvE by itself.  But, the whole time I would be wishing it had PvP as well.  I'd feel like I was playing half of a great game.  Though, I'd prefer that completely than playing a game with a half implemented feature that feels like a complete after thought.  If you include it in the game, you'd better embrace it fully.


The problem is design goals.  Usually, PvE and PvP goals are not the same and end up opposing each other.  Tools are designed to work in one or the other, but not equally in both.  This changes the importance of these tools relative to the setting they are being used.  Often, PvP tools have no use or impact  in PvE(raid/dungeon) settings.  So, as PvP and PvE are being balanced in their own setting, the other setting is ignored until it becomes an issue in that other setting.  Homogenization of DPS is one example of how it goes horribly wrong.   Balance of one, unbalances the other completely.


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7/01/12 10:49:45 AM#727

Unfortunately, FFXIV will be introducing PvP shortly after 2.0. You can check out some of the E3 interviews where Yoshi the producer talks about it. I think its a mistake personally, because its like OP says, there are plenty of other PvP games out there and I dont really see PvP being appropriate for a FF MMO.

That being said, it doesnt matter what I think cause they are introducing it anyway. It will have arena matches, and a sort of large scale 3 faction (Grand Companies) PvP with 3 Forts and one Castle that the  Grand Companies will fight for.  I dont know if it will be an OW thing or a large Instance though.

I understand they are trying to save the game with this re-launch though so they are trying to include things that are more standard in MMOs according to the Producer. The good part is that the primary focus is and will be PvE (fyi PvE will be challenging in this game as far as EG content, you cant just win shit w/ PUGs).  As for how this will effect balance that remains to be seen.

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7/01/12 11:57:07 AM#728

If it's a good game, yes definitely.

The results of this poll are highly amusing btw... looks like our favorite PvP defenders are totally wrong ;)


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7/01/12 11:58:14 AM#729
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

If it's a good game, yes definitely.

Same, it all depends on what is available for a fully PvE-based game.


Ofcourse even if the whole game was PvE I think I would miss 'good' PvP.



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7/01/12 12:13:33 PM#730

I think a really good PVE game should have no PVP at all. The developers will have to compromise to much if they want to support both PVP and PVE. There are a lot of ideas that cant be used and things that will not work if a game is balanced for both PVP and PVE. Like skills that would one shot people and give you free kills in PVP. Skills like that can be fine and balanced in PVE but be very overpowered in PVP. Some classes can be good and fun in PVE but will be useless and underpowered in PVP.

IMO, its not possible to create the best possible PVE game if it must also support PVP.

If someone release a no compromise as fun as possible PVE game I will play it.


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7/01/12 12:27:54 PM#731
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

If it's a good game, yes definitely.

The results of this poll are highly amusing btw... looks like our favorite PvP defenders are totally wrong ;)


Wasn't there a poll asking the opposite, it had more extreme difference in votes saying no...haha. I would love to play a pure pve game, I like pvp, but in most MMOs pvp isn't fun and just hampers the PVE experience.

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7/01/12 1:18:01 PM#732

I've loved the PvP that Lineage II gave me, but a 100% pure PvE MMO..?


...but... it must have a good storyline to keep me playing. For me Lord of the Rings online does give me that (though I am on a small break now), and games like World of Warcraft and EverQuest II are best enjoyed for me on a PvE server over a PvP server (faction PvP sucks for me afte rplaying L2 :p)

On the other hand, FFXI is a true PvE MMO as well, but that's one I tried and just couldn't get in to :(

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7/01/12 2:55:12 PM#733

If its not a single player MMO and a persistant world without all of the instanced bullshit, for example LoTRO, not only would I play it, I'd buy the box AND pay for a sub.


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7/02/12 12:03:53 AM#734

Yes. I mostly play for small group co-op content.



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7/02/12 1:05:29 AM#735

PvP isn't for me, I'm not into conflict when I play games. I get enough conflict in real life so just want something to relax with. I have no problem with the choice of PvP but if the question was would I like a pure 100% PvE game then yes of course. I would like forced grouping to be kept to a minimum though as I would like the choice on how to play. Also maybe a game like this would have to be crowdfunded but going back to the days where you could be a non combat character and still make a difference would be nice as well. Someone contributing to the overall scope of the game without having to go and grind X monster for 6 hours a day to do it.


I guess just being given the different choices would be nice.


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7/02/12 1:09:47 AM#736

lol Yes of course i would play PvE only.

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7/02/12 1:12:30 AM#737


FFXI remains one of my favs, I just wouldn't play it nowadays.

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7/02/12 1:17:48 AM#738

Not only would I play it, I would prefer it. One of the things I loved about old EQ was that, in the early days at least, each class was unique, each race as well. Nothing had to be balanced against anything else, nothing had to be mirrored. And this was possible, at least for a while, because there was no (real) PvP.

Now, because of PvP, nothing can be unique anymore. It's not enough to be cool or different, everything has to balance, and its all boring as hell.


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7/02/12 1:26:15 AM#739
Originally posted by Kaynos1972

And please give the reasons for your answers.  Personally PVP has never been my cup of tea.   It's not that i never tried, i just dont feel any sense of accomplishement fighting others peoples for what really  ?  Bragging rights ?   There is already TONS of pvp game out there, mostly shooters, why does every MMO that comes out MUST have some sort of PVP in it ?   Do you think we could have a succesful MMO without the PVP aspect ?


Final Fantasy XI has NO PvP at all. 


It was the second largest monthly sub game for a long time, so a lot of people would play a PvE MMO with no PvP.

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7/02/12 1:46:46 AM#740

god yes! in every mmo there is this loud mass that wants pvp really really bad. when the devs are then focusing on pvp there is out rages about every singel thing on the forum that takes away alot of resoruces from the devs. and sooner or later the pvpers are "lulz. thiz game suxs! next game!" . 

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