(Edit) Why are there so many people defending Cryptic on the official forum?(Edit)

They also rush to defend every aspect of the game like it's some golden standard that all MMORPGs should follow.

If Cryptic's business practices and STOs game play become the norm, I'm definitely done with MMORPGs.

Am I not seeing something properly?

Am I missing something? 

Maybe there's an aspect to this whole fiasco that I've missed that will put things into perspective for me and turn me into one of those raving lunatics. I want to like the game. I like most aspects of the actual game play mechanics, but there are some serious issues that just turn me away: the heavy instancing, the horrible community, the lack of social aspects inherent in the game play itself, Cryptic's business practices, the way they handle Champions, and the poor quality of communication and regard for player feedback, not to mention the rush job they did with the game.

Why did they end up with the game and not the other company? What happened? 

What happened to Cryptic? I swear they didn't seem to treat their game or customer base like this when they only had City of Heroes. Maybe I'm looking at that stuff with rose-colored glasses.

Perpetual entertainment bailed, got sued, and closed down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_Entertainment

 People tend to protect what they enjoy. Not everyone is as cynical as we are around these parts. My personal thoughts are that Cryptic is the worst majoy MMO studio but thats me. Others think what they produce is good but on the other hand there are folks who enjoy golden showers.

Every game has its faithfuls...

it will never change... they will stick by the game no matter how bad its condition in HOPES that it will get better. 

its mainly the IP... STAR TREK... its what can keep a bad game alive.

 Why do you care?  You are being hypocritical yourself in that you are in the group that feel as tho Cryptic has done some evil and need to post about it everywhere.  Who cares!  It's a game not a necessity.  Buy it if you want to play it; if you don't want to play, don't buy.  Simple as that.

Originally posted by parrotpholk

 People tend to protect what they enjoy. Not everyone is as cynical as we are around these parts. My personal thoughts are that Cryptic is the worst majoy MMO studio but thats me. Others think what they produce is good but on the other hand there are folks who enjoy golden showers.

^This^

That's really all it boils down to, some people enjoy things others do not. It's really no big mystery, hell there are some people who like the worst games ever released (score wise). That's just the way the cookie crumbles.

I've come to the conclusion that there are plenty of people that want games to be made 'just for them'.  And as long as they are happy everyone else can go %$&* themselves.  Typically this is a very vocal minority who will lie, cheat and insult in an attempt to silence any criticism of their beloved games. 

Originally posted by Karahandras

I've come to the conclusion that there are plenty of people that want games to be made 'just for them'.  And as long as they are happy everyone else can go %$&* themselves.  Typically this is a very vocal minority who will lie, cheat and insult in an attempt to silence any criticism of their beloved games. 

To be fair this behavior can be seen by both people who like or dislike a game. There's no behavior that's exclusive to one side of the fence, there are those who think like you said who support a game, there are also those who feel if a game is not for them it should be for no one. There's no difference at all between the two.

Yep cryptic, funcom etc are among the worst game makers out  there..but some people like it...there are so many people..and they are so different and have so many different tastes...but in general noone can disagree that cryptic games are among the poorest games , in concept, content, gameplay etc...and note i sayd games from cryptic..not mmos from cryptic...brcause thay dont make mmos...they make co-op games.

In case you haven't noticed it's pretty much the same with every MMO that comes out these days.

People have opposing points of view. Most just go and do their own thing.

Some people are so intolerant of others opinions they feel the need to spew hate and derision anywhere and everywhere they can get away with it.

Pretty sad really.

Most people's feelings about a game are opinionated regardless of how many people agree or disagree.  There are always going to be two sides to the coin.  There will always be people out there who have a game/company and people who enjoy the products they make.  I play CO and STO.  Does that mean I defend because I play them?  No.  Are they the greatest games ever made? No.  Do I agree with Cryptic's business practices?  Depends on the situation.  They plan on charging people for the expansion content they are working on for CO.  But they state that it won't be the usual price of an expansion pack.  I'll hold my judgment if it's worth it when I see it.

Cryptic has to have a C-Store and charge for some things because it offered lifetime subs.  They still have to find a way to make money to support their developmental staff.  Not the best way I would have done it personally but I can see where they're coming from as well as where the gamers are coming from.  If your quarrel is with the game in it's fresh released state then I don't think you've played MMO's long enough.  Every game has sucked upon release.  It's the way it is because of server latency because players get that new game taste in their mouths.  Then there are the bugs that pop up due to the latency.  It's become a general rule of thumb that the first 6 months of a game's life will be the hardest, how it is at 6 months is the question.  CO isn't even 6 months old yet.

I just wanted to reply as a player from those communities so you understand that not all of us feel that Cryptic is a god among developers or think that "OMG it's Star Trek it's awesome."  But we do enjoy the games and can see the potential in them and think they are good enough for our money.  If you think it sucks then that's your opinion and you don't have to play.  I just don't understand why people are beating a dead horse with this same argument over and over in hopes that their tiny onions will somehow make the game shut down because some people don't like or are afraid to see it succeed.  And to be honest, the more mature gaming community view the mmorpg.com forums as just rants and raves of wow-kiddies and SWG pre-NGE haters.  As a source of news it's fine but the forums are just laughable these days.  I'm not saying that the OP falls into those categories it's just a lot of serious gamers don't really pay any heed to what's written on the forums.

But summed up...Cryptic does a decent job in my opinion.  I enjoy them.  I don't think they're golden at all but at least decent enough to keep me playing.  I see the potential as do a lot of others.  If you really don't like the game then don't play.  And to the people who are curious of them, go to the official websites and forums or request a buddy key.  I have never been one to force a game or opinion on someone.  I have always pointed my friends in the direction, say try it and see what you think.  People who truly want to try a game will regardless of the hater rants.

Why have you an issue with those that find  cryptic have given them a game they enjoy?

Surely those that enjoy the game have as much rights as those that despise the game and with it the game makers?

Now by all means bemoan the state of MMO's but labelling those that are defending a game they enjoy as "Fools" is really beyond comprehension.

I don't think you can blame one guy for what's failed in a given game. We saw the same thing during AOC, and the same thing during WAR. WE always see it with SOE. Whether it's Smedly, Roper, Molyneux, Godager etc.... People place so much blame on these guys while not really looking at the bigger picture,Their Job is to see that their teams are meeting deadlines, and remaining on schedule while staying on target (within scope). They may fail at times, however who is at fault the guys meeting deadlines or those setting them?

 IMHO It's because they love their cryptic game they're playing at the time and they can't see past that to have a neutral conversation about the company as a whole. They use bad excuses like "they're a company trying to make money". Well shit dude i'm a man trying to make money, but i'm not charging people twice for a product. You might as well be asking someone if you can pick their pockets after they pay for something. Don't get me wrong I think they make decent games that are fun, but they're a greedy whore of a MMO developer and it's eventually going to bite them and all of their MMOs are going to become very niche MMOs. Especially when DCUO, FFXIV, and the new 38 studios (Copernicus) MMO comes out. Besides star trek is already becoming a niche MMO, iv'e never seen so many people flooding out of an MMO so quickly, some guy even made a guide on how to get your money back for the game on this site. Thats bad!

Originally posted by hampao

Yep cryptic, funcom etc are among the worst game makers out  there..but some people like it...there are so many people..and they are so different and have so many different tastes...but in general noone can disagree that cryptic games are among the poorest games , in concept, content, gameplay etc...and note i sayd games from cryptic..not mmos from cryptic...brcause thay dont make mmos...they make co-op games.

You do realize funcom has put out more than just AOC don't you?  I don't think I would compare Funcom to Cryptic, not only because I feel AOC is a better game than any Cryptic has put out, but because they have put out some titles that were viewed as hits. Even AO over the years turned into a deep engaging game, cryptics major flaw is they follow the same formula with every title, Funcom is nothing like that. They tend to have very good ideas, they fail in executing them at times though. Call me a fanboi or what ever you feel is appropriate, won't change my opinion.

Why are there so many people attacking Cryptic? You could ask the same question. You think you're "right"? You think you're "doing good"? Fine. But if you can't realize that people who are defending Cryptic think the same thing, you're blind. Why are there so many people defending Cryptic? Because there are just as many (or more) people attacking it.

Originally posted by Malickie

I don't think you can blame one guy for what's failed in a given game. We saw the same thing during AOC, and the same thing during WAR. WE always see it with SOE. Whether it's Smedly, Roper, Molyneux, Godager etc.... People place so much blame on these guys while not really looking at the bigger picture,Their Job is to see that their teams are meeting deadlines, and remaining on schedule while staying on target (within scope). They may fail at times, however who is at fault the guys meeting deadlines or those setting them?

Bill Roper isnt just one who sets deadlines and makes sure everyone is on the same page, he has injected his agenda into multiple project's business model and also tries desperately to play the role of creative producer as well as executive. His theories on how to deal with games has turned out to be a complete failure. I personally like Valve's approach, everyone is equal in the company and has equal say in the products.

Originally posted by MMOrUS

Why have you an issue with those that find  cryptic have given them a game they enjoy?

Surely those that enjoy the game have as much rights as those that despise the game and with it the game makers?

Now by all means bemoan the state of MMO's but labelling those that are defending a game they enjoy as "Fools" is really beyond comprehension.

 

 

I'll tell you why. Because he feels superior in thinking he knows what others do not, in his eyes. He is unable to understand why someone would like the game, have no issue with the company and willingly spend money on it.

People are defending what they enjoy and are not cynical and negative nanices crying and whining over every little issue? yeah they must be such fools.

OP you need to go out more and live in real world for few days.

Is it possible that the most vehement pro-Cryptic posters are employees of the company?  I've seen that occur in other MMOs, usually it's accompanied with forum mods that censor negative comments (against the game, company or mods censorship).  I haven't actively read the STO forums lately so I'm not sure what the OP is referring to specifically, I'm just asking if this might be the case?