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  Thrakk

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OP  1/30/10 7:24:36 PM#1

Obama haters, did you even watch the SOTU address or that Q&A session from the Republican Retreat?

I suppose fox news did cut off some of the speech from the Republican Retreat speeches so you guys could claim that's one reason you didn't see it all.

 

But most will claim, "I don't need to hear what he's saying, I already know" and that sort of crap.

that is sort of like the same reason why the Republicans got schooled during the Q&A session - the fact that they can't compromise - you can't compromise if you don't listen to the other side. I mean, republicans have sort of gone off in their own little world, a world of "no", a world that wont compromise in the name of progress because they are already campaigning for 2012.

  User Deleted
1/30/10 7:34:45 PM#2

The level of Obama hatred on this site is really something else. People heard the "socialist" rhetoric from the right-wing media during the campaign and bought it hook, line and sinker, and hit the ground running the day he was inaugurated. They constantly parrot the same nonsense -- "extreme leftist," "socialism," "big government," etc., etc. -- and completely ignore the facts. Obama is a centrist, and has governed from the center.

The things that are often pointed at as signs of "socialism" simply aren't. Take the GM takeover. Yes, socialism is nationalizing the means of production. However, if that was truly the goal, would they be planning an IPO for later this year? Of course not. This was a stopgap solution to one of America's biggest employers going tits-up. Maybe not the solution you would have liked, but a solution, and a temporary one.

The constant stream of anti-Obama bullshit is irritating, but in the end it's all empty blather. Because for all the bluster and complaining, I have yet to see anyone actually point to one thing Obama has actually done that is so awful and evil. Instead they blame him because the Democratic Congress is completely ineffective; they use the fact that he refuses to play nice with a network that has done nothing but slam him since day one as evidence that he wants to "silence the opposition;" they scream about things they think he might want to do as if they actually ARE what he wants to do. And the few Obama supporters that come here are called fascists.

This site is basically little more than a right-wing echo chamber.

  Ekibiogami

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1/30/10 8:04:32 PM#3
Originally posted by Thrakk

Obama haters, did you even watch the SOTU address or that Q&A session from the Republican Retreat?

I suppose fox news did cut off some of the speech from the Republican Retreat speeches so you guys could claim that's one reason you didn't see it all.

 

But most will claim, "I don't need to hear what he's saying, I already know" and that sort of crap.

that is sort of like the same reason why the Republicans got schooled during the Q&A session - the fact that they can't compromise - you can't compromise if you don't listen to the other side. I mean, republicans have sort of gone off in their own little world, a world of "no", a world that wont compromise in the name of progress because they are already campaigning for 2012.


 

Bingo!!!! We have a winner!!!!! This is why Obama/Pelosi Failed. Nuf said really. And I dident watch either the speach OR the fallow up from the republicans... Working my ass off because a Coworker had a mild Heart attack.. So have fun here ill be back later.

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
—Samuel Adams

  Zindaihas

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1/30/10 8:09:14 PM#4

I'd like to know what your definition of hatred is.  Because if legitimate criticism is hatred, then you can call just about anything hatred.  You probably accuse me of hating President Obama.  You'd be absolutely wrong.  I've said on several occasions that I have no problem with him as a person.  He's simply a bad president.  If you don't see that, then you're a leftist kool-aid drinker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tK6YIAX1jg

  User Deleted
1/30/10 8:10:19 PM#5
Originally posted by Zindaihas

I'd like to know what your definition of hatred is.  Because if legitimate criticism is hatred, then you can call just about anything hatred.  You probably accuse me of hating President Obama.  You'd be absolutely wrong.  I've said on several occasions that I have no problem with him as a person.  He's simply a bad president.  If you don't see that, then you're a leftist kool-aid drinker.

I know you've said it. You're one of the few that have.

  Thrakk

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OP  1/30/10 8:13:52 PM#6
Originally posted by Ekibiogami
Originally posted by Thrakk

Obama haters, did you even watch the SOTU address or that Q&A session from the Republican Retreat?

I suppose fox news did cut off some of the speech from the Republican Retreat speeches so you guys could claim that's one reason you didn't see it all.

 

But most will claim, "I don't need to hear what he's saying, I already know" and that sort of crap.

that is sort of like the same reason why the Republicans got schooled during the Q&A session - the fact that they can't compromise - you can't compromise if you don't listen to the other side. I mean, republicans have sort of gone off in their own little world, a world of "no", a world that wont compromise in the name of progress because they are already campaigning for 2012.


 

Bingo!!!! We have a winner!!!!! This is why Obama/Pelosi Failed. Nuf said really. And I dident watch either the speach OR the fallow up from the republicans... Working my ass off because a Coworker had a mild Heart attack.. So have fun here ill be back later.

what specifically did the republicans offer for the health care bill?

this? - watch this, I skipped to the part on health care

what specifically did the republicans offer for the stimulus package?

this? this is a terrible stimulus package

  Ekibiogami

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1/30/10 8:20:07 PM#7
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by Ekibiogami
Originally posted by Thrakk

Obama haters, did you even watch the SOTU address or that Q&A session from the Republican Retreat?

I suppose fox news did cut off some of the speech from the Republican Retreat speeches so you guys could claim that's one reason you didn't see it all.

 

But most will claim, "I don't need to hear what he's saying, I already know" and that sort of crap.

that is sort of like the same reason why the Republicans got schooled during the Q&A session - the fact that they can't compromise - you can't compromise if you don't listen to the other side. I mean, republicans have sort of gone off in their own little world, a world of "no", a world that wont compromise in the name of progress because they are already campaigning for 2012.


 

Bingo!!!! We have a winner!!!!! This is why Obama/Pelosi Failed. Nuf said really. And I dident watch either the speach OR the fallow up from the republicans... Working my ass off because a Coworker had a mild Heart attack.. So have fun here ill be back later.

what specifically did the republicans offer for the health care bill?

this?

what specifically did the republicans offer for the stimulus package?

this?


 

One link is Broken...

And it dident matter. THEY HAD 60 VOTES.... If they hadent been so radical they coulda passed the bill. As it is the Republicans STILL cant stop them. They can only make it take longer.

And yes the republican Options sucked. Was still better IMHO than the Demacrats plan.

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
—Samuel Adams

  Thrakk

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OP  1/30/10 8:23:12 PM#8
Originally posted by Ekibiogami
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by Ekibiogami
Originally posted by Thrakk

Obama haters, did you even watch the SOTU address or that Q&A session from the Republican Retreat?

I suppose fox news did cut off some of the speech from the Republican Retreat speeches so you guys could claim that's one reason you didn't see it all.

 

But most will claim, "I don't need to hear what he's saying, I already know" and that sort of crap.

that is sort of like the same reason why the Republicans got schooled during the Q&A session - the fact that they can't compromise - you can't compromise if you don't listen to the other side. I mean, republicans have sort of gone off in their own little world, a world of "no", a world that wont compromise in the name of progress because they are already campaigning for 2012.


 

Bingo!!!! We have a winner!!!!! This is why Obama/Pelosi Failed. Nuf said really. And I dident watch either the speach OR the fallow up from the republicans... Working my ass off because a Coworker had a mild Heart attack.. So have fun here ill be back later.

what specifically did the republicans offer for the health care bill?

this?

what specifically did the republicans offer for the stimulus package?

this?


 

One link is Broken...

And it dident matter. THEY HAD 60 VOTES.... If they hadent been so radical they coulda passed the bill. As it is the Republicans STILL cant stop them. They can only make it take longer.

And yes the republican Options sucked. Was still better IMHO than the Demacrats plan.

okay: the other link is www.youtube.com/watch

YOU STILL DIDNT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS

what specifically did the republicans offer for the health care bill?

what specifically did the republicans offer for the stimulus package?

 

  User Deleted
1/30/10 8:23:41 PM#9
Originally posted by Ekibiogami
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by Ekibiogami
Originally posted by Thrakk

Obama haters, did you even watch the SOTU address or that Q&A session from the Republican Retreat?

I suppose fox news did cut off some of the speech from the Republican Retreat speeches so you guys could claim that's one reason you didn't see it all.

 

But most will claim, "I don't need to hear what he's saying, I already know" and that sort of crap.

that is sort of like the same reason why the Republicans got schooled during the Q&A session - the fact that they can't compromise - you can't compromise if you don't listen to the other side. I mean, republicans have sort of gone off in their own little world, a world of "no", a world that wont compromise in the name of progress because they are already campaigning for 2012.


 

Bingo!!!! We have a winner!!!!! This is why Obama/Pelosi Failed. Nuf said really. And I dident watch either the speach OR the fallow up from the republicans... Working my ass off because a Coworker had a mild Heart attack.. So have fun here ill be back later.

what specifically did the republicans offer for the health care bill?

this?

what specifically did the republicans offer for the stimulus package?

this?


 

One link is Broken...

And it dident matter. THEY HAD 60 VOTES.... If they hadent been so radical they coulda passed the bill. As it is the Republicans STILL cant stop them. They can only make it take longer.

And yes the republican Options sucked. Was still better IMHO than the Demacrats plan.

Them being "Radical" had nothing to do with why they watered down the bill so much it could pass. The fact that the so-called "Blue Dogs" are firmly in the pockets of the insurance companies did.

The Dems don't march in lockstep like the Rs do. Sometimes I wish they did, but they don't.

  Thrakk

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OP  1/30/10 8:38:19 PM#10

also that senate health care bill was watered down because the 60th vote that the dems needed was Joe Lieberman the independent democrat and McCains best buddy. Lieberman turned on the Dems bill and wouldn't give his vote until it was watered down even more. A bunch of crap happened and hopefully Senate will do a better job listening to reason and less listening to insurance companies and constituents next time the bill comes through

 

but back to the point:

what specifically did the republicans offer for the health care bill?

this? - I zoomed to the part where he is holding the senates health care bill (the ten minutes before on health care is also good stuff)

what specifically did the republicans offer for the stimulus package?

this?

  Ekibiogami

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1/30/10 8:48:01 PM#11
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by Ekibiogami
Originally posted by Thrakk

Obama haters, did you even watch the SOTU address or that Q&A session from the Republican Retreat?

I suppose fox news did cut off some of the speech from the Republican Retreat speeches so you guys could claim that's one reason you didn't see it all.

 

But most will claim, "I don't need to hear what he's saying, I already know" and that sort of crap.

that is sort of like the same reason why the Republicans got schooled during the Q&A session - the fact that they can't compromise - you can't compromise if you don't listen to the other side. I mean, republicans have sort of gone off in their own little world, a world of "no", a world that wont compromise in the name of progress because they are already campaigning for 2012.


 

Bingo!!!! We have a winner!!!!! This is why Obama/Pelosi Failed. Nuf said really. And I dident watch either the speach OR the fallow up from the republicans... Working my ass off because a Coworker had a mild Heart attack.. So have fun here ill be back later.

what specifically did the republicans offer for the health care bill?

this? - watch this, I skipped to the part on health care

what specifically did the republicans offer for the stimulus package?

this? this is a terrible stimulus package


 

Thanks for Fixing the link. And I honestly dont care what the Republicans wanted. Im not conserned with those Big government Idiots. (and after 8 years of Bush if you think the republicans do anything more than say No big government your a Idiot)

Im with the American people. Here and Here and Here

If you want that kinda government go to Europe. I have no where else to go to.

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
—Samuel Adams

  Cleffy

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1/30/10 8:51:39 PM#12

What the republicans offered in healthcare was tort reform and accessibility to competition in health insurance.  This was wholly knocked down, but would have been the greatest amount of savings to the current healthcare system.

The republicans offered tax cuts for the stimulus.  The general public wanted nothing because every economist worth a damn has said you cannot fix a recession brought on by debt with more debt.

I think you are of the mind set that the Government MUST do something to fix problems.  I am of the mind set that many problems stem from the Government and getting them out of the way is the best course of action.  Yet nearly the entire congress right now wants more government, even the republicans.

  Thrakk

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OP  1/30/10 8:55:53 PM#13
Originally posted by Ekibiogami
Originally posted by Thrakk
Originally posted by Ekibiogami
Originally posted by Thrakk

Obama haters, did you even watch the SOTU address or that Q&A session from the Republican Retreat?

I suppose fox news did cut off some of the speech from the Republican Retreat speeches so you guys could claim that's one reason you didn't see it all.

 

But most will claim, "I don't need to hear what he's saying, I already know" and that sort of crap.

that is sort of like the same reason why the Republicans got schooled during the Q&A session - the fact that they can't compromise - you can't compromise if you don't listen to the other side. I mean, republicans have sort of gone off in their own little world, a world of "no", a world that wont compromise in the name of progress because they are already campaigning for 2012.


 

Bingo!!!! We have a winner!!!!! This is why Obama/Pelosi Failed. Nuf said really. And I dident watch either the speach OR the fallow up from the republicans... Working my ass off because a Coworker had a mild Heart attack.. So have fun here ill be back later.

what specifically did the republicans offer for the health care bill?

this? - watch this, I skipped to the part on health care

what specifically did the republicans offer for the stimulus package?

this? this is a terrible stimulus package


 

Thanks for Fixing the link. And I honestly dont care what the Republicans wanted. Im not conserned with those Big government Idiots. (and after 8 years of Bush if you think the republicans do anything more than say No big government your a Idiot)

Im with the American people. Here and Here and Here

If you want that kinda government go to Europe. I have no where else to go to.

I agree that the health care bill got watered down so much that I didn't support it. Americans were frustrated and deservedly so. Several months of debate and nothing good came of it. Of course more americans stopped supporting that bill.

But are you agreeing that The Republicans offered nothing good for the stimulus plan and health care bill? I mean their unwillingness to compromise did have a lot to say why the Health Care Bill turned out the way it did. They wanted 80%... the bill they offered was terrible...

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1/30/10 8:59:52 PM#14
Originally posted by Cleffy

I think you are of the mind set that the Government MUST do something to fix problems.

Uh ... yeah. When we hit a financial crisis like the one we're in, it is the government's responsibility to fix it.

I do not understand the mindset around here that the government is utterly incapable of doing anything positive. Is government interference in everything the ideal situation? No, of course not. But the prevailing sentiment around here seems to be that the private sector is always, always, always better than government at accomplishing things, and that's completely false. The private sector and free markets are not magical; they do not ride unicorns and fart rainbows. They are just as susceptible to graft and corruption as the government. The government's weakness is waste; the private sector's weakness is a thorough lack of accountability to the people they screw over on a daily basis.

  Cleffy

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1/30/10 9:08:07 PM#15

I don't think you understand my viewpoint if you think a limited governmnet roles is most susceptible to corruption.  It is the least susceptible because there is nothing to corrupt.  Its socialist systems like what Europe is practicing and the United States is gravitating towards that rewards corruption.  It is the very problem with any government.  The larger it gets, the more corrupt it gets.

You also don't understand how the free market works.  If Company A screws people over, in a free market system you have the power to put Company A out of business through boycotting.  In the current system you have to rely on the government to determine the correct course of action against Company A if it even notices Company A and does so at great expense to the consumer.  This is the problem with government enforcement.  Private companies are held in check by demand.  Public companies are held in check bya limit on the amount of wrong they do.

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1/30/10 9:10:59 PM#16
Originally posted by Cleffy

I don't think you understand my viewpoint if you think a limited governmnet roles is most susceptible to corruption.  It is the least susceptible because there is nothing to corrupt.  Its socialist systems like what Europe is practicing and the United States is gravitating towards that rewards corruption.  It is the very problem with any government.  The larger it gets, the more corrupt it gets.

You also don't understand how the free market works.  If Company A screws people over, in a free market system you have the power to put Company A out of business through boycotting.  In the current system you have to rely on the government to determine the correct course of action against Company A if it even notices Company A and does so at great expense to the consumer.  This is the problem with government enforcement.  Private companies are held in check by demand.  Public companies are held in check by get away with an acceptable amount of wrong.

That's not what I said.

This is bugfuck insane.

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1/30/10 9:13:43 PM#17

Just words.

  Cleffy

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1/30/10 9:18:19 PM#18

Hey guys I think sif-lawd is a British Loyalist.  He is calling our founding fathers big fuck insane.  How preposterous it must be to him to know that the people have power and not some governing agency.

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1/30/10 9:21:02 PM#19
Originally posted by Precusor

Just words.

That's the latest meme from the Obama Hate Brigade. Cute.

Don't suppose you happened to notice, but Obama's "just words" regarding paying-as-you-go made it to the Senate floor. Every single Republican voted against it. Shocking.

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1/30/10 9:22:27 PM#20
Originally posted by Cleffy

Hey guys I think sif-lawd is a British Loyalist.  He is calling our founding fathers big fuck insane.  How preposterous it must be to him to know that the people have power and not some governing agency.

You are honestly going to sit there and say that the only way we should hold companies accountable is through BOYCOTTS? Even though, quite often, corporate malfeasance isn't even known to the public until the government is alerted to it? Really? THAT'S just plain stupid.

I'll ignore the assholish nature of your post and just respond to the issue at hand.

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