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  SnarlingWolf

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1/06/10 12:53:32 PM#41

Warhammer had terrible PvP, the balances were crap, the bgs past tier 1 were terrible, open world pvp was weak. Truly shouldn't be on the list at all.

 

UO and DAoC were good choices, I think all my best pvp memories come from those two games.

  User Deleted
1/06/10 12:55:38 PM#42

This list is a sham with out Planetside. It is the only true PvPMMO out, the rest are just "Who has more numbers".

  djazzy

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1/06/10 12:56:48 PM#43
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Gevurah

Can't believe nobody mentioned Age of Conan. It has the best pvp combat out there, bar none.

In my humble opinion, WAR and WOW shouldn't even be mentioned up there

AoC's combat was done better in Aion. Pace is just as fast, the "combos" are present but flying has been added and the whole PvPvE aspect as well. Combine this with the fact that there is no PvE server you end up with Aion > AoC in regards to PvP. 

 

What little AoC did good Aion did better, then went further. AoC's biggest failing in regards to PvP was there was just no point in it. Aion also addressed this issue somewhat. 


 

I completely disagree, at least in regards to the combat. I much prefer AoC's combat to Aion.

For the best PvP game? To me it's without question Guild Wars. However, I did enjoy Warhammer's pvp as well.

Edit: forgot to mention Planetside as well, very well done pvp there as well

  Ruyn

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1/06/10 1:01:56 PM#44
Originally posted by Mopar63
Originally posted by Ruyn

Edit:  The title should read, The Top 5 MMO's with Meaningless PvP, or Top 5 MMO's with Arena PvP.


 

I have a question for you, did you bring enough of that DF Koolaid for everyone? You know I cannot comment on the PvP much in others games cause of this very quote, it was meaningless it seemed. EvE however being called Arena or Meaningless in it's PvP shows either a moron or someone that has never played EvE.

The PvP in Eve can go so far as to effect noob players at time in it's outcome. The entire game is PvP not just the combat but the economics as well.

 

 

 

Sorry, I was referring specifically about War and WoW.  Arena PvP games need to go in another category.

 

Darkfall is the fantasy Ying to EvE's space yang.

  Cecropia

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1/06/10 1:03:36 PM#45
Originally posted by Paragus1

WoW is on this list, but Darkfall isn't?   I don't think any serious MMO PvP player is going to take this seriously.  WoW is like the laughing stock of the PvP community.  Hell Warhammer is practically on life support and has more crowd control that any other game.   I'd rather see Lineage 2 or maybe even Aion over WAR.


 

I genuinely believe that WOW was included for shock value. Things have been relatively quiet on this site over the last couple of days. At least that's what I've noticed. This thread will surely increase the traffic around here.

If Darkfall can't be included in a "top five pvp mmo" contest on a site dedicated to mmos, then how seriously do you think this site will be taken? Maybe they have a beef with AV?

No skin off my ass though, in the end it's the credibility of the website that is damaged.

 

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  GrayGhost79

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1/06/10 1:08:56 PM#46
Originally posted by arenasb
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Gevurah

Can't believe nobody mentioned Age of Conan. It has the best pvp combat out there, bar none.

In my humble opinion, WAR and WOW shouldn't even be mentioned up there

AoC's combat was done better in Aion. Pace is just as fast, the "combos" are present but flying has been added and the whole PvPvE aspect as well. Combine this with the fact that there is no PvE server you end up with Aion > AoC in regards to PvP. 

 

What little AoC did good Aion did better, then went further. AoC's biggest failing in regards to PvP was there was just no point in it. Aion also addressed this issue somewhat. 


 

I completely disagree, at least in regards to the combat. I much prefer AoC's combat to Aion.

For the best PvP game? To me it's without question Guild Wars. However, I did enjoy Warhammer's pvp as well.

Edit: forgot to mention Planetside as well, very well done pvp there as well

 

There essentially the same combat system lol. AoC's is more like the rough draft and Aions is more like the final draft. 

AoC to do a combo, you initiate the combo then hit the arrow sequence needed to complete the combo. Aion's chain system is essentially the same but instead of hitting arrows your choosing the next part of the combo. It's also a bit more fleshed out as even casters in Aion have chains where as only non casters in AoC have combo's. 

Aions system allows for more on the fly customization. Do I use the dmg skill next in the chain or would it be better to use the stun? Should I slow them or debuff there defense? 

A chain in Aion allows for a lot of versatility in how you use it. Age of Conan's combo system is a pretty linear thing. You have a stun move all it will do is stun. 

To me Age of Conans is just to simplistic and results in the usual shot rotation style of play anyways. While it was innovative, it had a lot of room for improvement. Aion really has fleshed the idea out and improved on it turning it into something that results in a lot more than a rotation. 

I mean seriously... Age of Conans combo system is basically DDR for your hands lol. 

  topets

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1/06/10 1:12:39 PM#47

Where is Darkfall?

WOW is fifth?   Lol

Fail

pool was pay

  djazzy

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1/06/10 1:15:54 PM#48
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by arenasb
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Gevurah

Can't believe nobody mentioned Age of Conan. It has the best pvp combat out there, bar none.

In my humble opinion, WAR and WOW shouldn't even be mentioned up there

AoC's combat was done better in Aion. Pace is just as fast, the "combos" are present but flying has been added and the whole PvPvE aspect as well. Combine this with the fact that there is no PvE server you end up with Aion > AoC in regards to PvP. 

 

What little AoC did good Aion did better, then went further. AoC's biggest failing in regards to PvP was there was just no point in it. Aion also addressed this issue somewhat. 


 

I completely disagree, at least in regards to the combat. I much prefer AoC's combat to Aion.

For the best PvP game? To me it's without question Guild Wars. However, I did enjoy Warhammer's pvp as well.

Edit: forgot to mention Planetside as well, very well done pvp there as well

 

There essentially the same combat system lol. AoC's is more like the rough draft and Aions is more like the final draft. 

AoC to do a combo, you initiate the combo then hit the arrow sequence needed to complete the combo. Aion's chain system is essentially the same but instead of hitting arrows your choosing the next part of the combo. It's also a bit more fleshed out as even casters in Aion have chains where as only non casters in AoC have combo's. 

Aions system allows for more on the fly customization. Do I use the dmg skill next in the chain or would it be better to use the stun? Should I slow them or debuff there defense? 

A chain in Aion allows for a lot of versatility in how you use it. Age of Conan's combo system is a pretty linear thing. You have a stun move all it will do is stun. 

To me Age of Conans is just to simplistic and results in the usual shot rotation style of play anyways. While it was innovative, it had a lot of room for improvement. Aion really has fleshed the idea out and improved on it turning it into something that results in a lot more than a rotation. 

I mean seriously... Age of Conans combo system is basically DDR for your hands lol. 


 

The combos are no way near similar. You weren't bothered by the animation root in Aion? It was a killer for me. Yes I adapted to it but I hated it. AoC's combat is a lot faster paced, I enjoy that. Aion felt like drudgery.

  rewindmad

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1/06/10 1:24:29 PM#49

For those of you who laugh at wow being on the list, have you actually played the game within the first 2 years of its release?  Yes i admit the pvp now in WoW is a complete joke. However back in the old days before the AQ patch even.  I absolutely LOVED AV.  i still remember 8 hour long battles in AV where neither side could see victory, just back and forth of pure slaughter.  In my opinion, blizzard should make another server to just allow old gameplay and none of the new crap they put in the game.

  GrayGhost79

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1/06/10 1:31:39 PM#50
Originally posted by arenasb
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by arenasb
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Gevurah

Can't believe nobody mentioned Age of Conan. It has the best pvp combat out there, bar none.

In my humble opinion, WAR and WOW shouldn't even be mentioned up there

AoC's combat was done better in Aion. Pace is just as fast, the "combos" are present but flying has been added and the whole PvPvE aspect as well. Combine this with the fact that there is no PvE server you end up with Aion > AoC in regards to PvP. 

 

What little AoC did good Aion did better, then went further. AoC's biggest failing in regards to PvP was there was just no point in it. Aion also addressed this issue somewhat. 


 

I completely disagree, at least in regards to the combat. I much prefer AoC's combat to Aion.

For the best PvP game? To me it's without question Guild Wars. However, I did enjoy Warhammer's pvp as well.

Edit: forgot to mention Planetside as well, very well done pvp there as well

 

There essentially the same combat system lol. AoC's is more like the rough draft and Aions is more like the final draft. 

AoC to do a combo, you initiate the combo then hit the arrow sequence needed to complete the combo. Aion's chain system is essentially the same but instead of hitting arrows your choosing the next part of the combo. It's also a bit more fleshed out as even casters in Aion have chains where as only non casters in AoC have combo's. 

Aions system allows for more on the fly customization. Do I use the dmg skill next in the chain or would it be better to use the stun? Should I slow them or debuff there defense? 

A chain in Aion allows for a lot of versatility in how you use it. Age of Conan's combo system is a pretty linear thing. You have a stun move all it will do is stun. 

To me Age of Conans is just to simplistic and results in the usual shot rotation style of play anyways. While it was innovative, it had a lot of room for improvement. Aion really has fleshed the idea out and improved on it turning it into something that results in a lot more than a rotation. 

I mean seriously... Age of Conans combo system is basically DDR for your hands lol. 


 

The combos are no way near similar. You weren't bothered by the animation root in Aion? It was a killer for me. Yes I adapted to it but I hated it. AoC's combat is a lot faster paced, I enjoy that. Aion felt like drudgery.

 

You mean like how casters are rooted while casting in Age of Conan? Nah doesn't bother me as it isn't on every skill only those that have long animations and thats generally only noticeable with the slow 2 handed weapons. Combat in general is a lot faster paced in Aion because while your waiting on your combo to come off of cooldown I can be doing a second chain with the same starter. In AoC I ran into a lot of situation where I would have to manage my cooldowns carefully or end up relying on auto attack until ones ready. The same isn't true in Aion for very long. You can pretty much sit there and fire off ability after ability the whole fight without having to wait on cooldowns. So it looks like we will simply have to agree to disagree. You find Aion slow in comparison, I find AoC slow in comparison. 

  TsukieU

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1/06/10 1:36:29 PM#51

What you guys have to realize is this is a subjective list, not a factual list.

 

This is the top 5 games that this columnist had the best experiences in or respected the most.  If you think that Darkfall or Planetside should be the end all be all PVP game there ever is and get that recognition, then make your own website and put that opinion on it.

 

Don't complain about other people's opinions, because it's useless.  It's like arguing whether a cloud looks like a rabbit or a train, it just depends on how you look at it.

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  snapp69

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1/06/10 1:39:02 PM#52

No Planetside either? wtf

  DiSpLiFF

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1/06/10 1:44:07 PM#53

 Anyone that thinks Aion is a great pvp game is really out of their mind... Aion pvp is nothing more than the old crap WoW honor system that rewards more playtime, bigger zergs etc. Fortress sieges are nothing but a race to kill a pve mob, I mean hell you can even farm pve mobs to get pvp gear? WTF?

Lineage 2 was a better pvp game than Aion hands down, castle sieges actually meant something. The game promoted a lot of clan v clan wars and alliance v alliance wars. 

Guild Wars was a better pvp game than Aion also, I just picked these two games since they are both NCsoft titles. 

  Cursedsei

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1/06/10 1:47:56 PM#54
Originally posted by neonwire
Originally posted by WesKhan1

I won't be a blind WoW hater, maybe WoW deserves to barely be on that list at #5, and maybe not.  But WAR?  /facepalm   You've got to be kidding me.  That MMO has some of the most bland PvP I have ever witnessed.  Replace it with something like Shadowbane.  I'm sorry but you have low ass standards if WAR is on your top 5 list of PvP MMOs.


 

I totally agree. The fact that an incredibly bland game like WAR can appear on a top 5 pvp mmo list goes to show how lacking mmos are for decent pvp games. WoW isnt even a pvp game and it gets a place........and Ultima Online is 10 years old. Then again I knew the list was going to be terrible before I even clicked on the link.

This article simply proves that we need more pvp based mmos. Hopefully this will change in 2010

 

Honestly, the only reason I'd even say WoW should be on that list is the older version of Alterac Valley. It turned what was just a pvp instanced map into a real war-zone. It was actual warfare instead of the horrid zerg it is today. You had to collect drops, save people, and struggle to gain the upperhand. If you were lucky, you could unleash hell with the uber summons that both side had. If you managed to drop them? Got some nice gear then. If not? Well its a train speeding right towards your main base, and no brakes attached.

As for today, PvP is the number one reason why several classes got gimped in PvE in WoW. Ret pallies got nerfed to hell and back because they were working as intended according to GC, Death Knights had cooldowns smacked around because they lowered damage taken. If this was a top 10 list, sure, give WoW a position for what it once was, maybe near 9 or so, but 5? No. Darkfall deserves a spot on this list, even if its a 5.

 

before anyone says anything, I do play WoW, I haven't played Darkfall. If they had a trial system I'd give the game a go.

  GrayGhost79

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1/06/10 1:48:59 PM#55
Originally posted by rewindmad

For those of you who laugh at wow being on the list, have you actually played the game within the first 2 years of its release?  Yes i admit the pvp now in WoW is a complete joke. However back in the old days before the AQ patch even.  I absolutely LOVED AV.  i still remember 8 hour long battles in AV where neither side could see victory, just back and forth of pure slaughter.  In my opinion, blizzard should make another server to just allow old gameplay and none of the new crap they put in the game.

 

Yes I played WoW and no I didn't like it lol. You spent 8 hours in a PvP match to get what? And how does that compare to a 2 month+ long war that was waged in DFO where one large alliance was attempting to take control of the game world by conquering it? Where politicians mattered, crafters mattered, soldiers mattered, spies mattered, sabotage mattered, recruiters mattered, strategists and tacticians mattered, economists mattered, salesmen mattered, peons mattered, public speakers and public image mattered?

 

While you can talk about an 8 hour PvP match I will talk about the months long war that was waged on land and on sea, where many cities were destroyed, many clans crushed and assimalated or disbanded, where gaining the favor of the public was important, were hundreds of players were clashing blades and firing canons in all corners of the world, where multi prong attacks to divide and conquer your foes was a tactic commonly used. Where flanking the enemy wasn't some skill you bought from the trainer but something you actually had to do. 

I mean your saying those that scoff at WoW just don't know, but what you don't realize is the reason we are scoffing is because you and some others just don't know lol. 

 

I'm glad you enjoyed your 8 hour long arena fight... but understand why I view that as something meh. It just doesn't compaire to a virtual War. I mean for the first time in the history of MMO's the Goons were on the side of good lol. They had to be or they too would have been swept under the might of Hyperion. They rose to the challenge though and led the charge against Hyperion. 

 

Your saying don't bash WoW I had a great 8 hour arena fight once, while I'm sitting here wondering why that arena was even considered PvP due to the experiences I've had in many games. 

 

In UO we regularly had 100+  vs. 100+ wars, granted they weren't as epic as DFO's, but they were still epic. In Shadowbane War was waged, not some little "Haa Haa I pwn'd you in an arena". Were talking large scale battles that actually can only be reffered to as Epic. 

 

I mean thats like calling a VW Bug one of the best trucks on the market... sure it has an engine, wheels, doors and even runs on gas, but it isn't a truck. You can haul groceries in it, but your not going to be hauling building materials around in it. 

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1/06/10 1:51:36 PM#56

Darkfall fans attacking the article and preaching the awesomeness of DF is about as surprising as this:

I agree with the list. Might switch the order of #4 and #5, or kick WoW out and put WAR in #5 and Shadowbane/Planetside/whatever in #4. But #3, #2, and #1, I agree with.

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1/06/10 1:57:55 PM#57
Originally posted by Comnitus

Darkfall fans attacking the article and preaching the awesomeness of DF is about as surprising as this:

I agree with the list. Might switch the order of #4 and #5, or kick WoW out and put WAR in #5 and Shadowbane/Planetside/whatever in #4. But #3, #2, and #1, I agree with.

 

Want to know a little Secret? I don't play DFO anymore I'm an Aion fan :P 

I quit DFO when Aventurine decided to try and charge NA players twice for the same game, regardless of stating at the time of purchase that players would be able to create 1 toon per server and told all the NA players that they were welcome to play on EU launch and that they would be able to transfer or start a new char on the NA servers when it launched. 

So... unless Aventurine gives control of DFO over to another company I won't be playing again. Aventurine sucks, big time. 

 

But that doesn't change facts, DFO is sadly one of the best PvP MMO's out. 

 

 Edited to Add: Heres another funny little side not, I think FE is crap... but I herald it as having one of the best crafting systems ever in an MMO. 

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1/06/10 2:05:16 PM#58
Originally posted by GrayGhost79

 

 

I mean thats like calling a VW Bug one of the best trucks on the market... sure it has an engine, wheels, doors and even runs on gas, but it isn't a truck. You can haul groceries in it, but your not going to be hauling building materials around in it. 

In a nutshell this sums it up for me.

To those that say it's their site, and their opinion, fair enough. But I personally believe that a site as popular as this, should be a little more responsible when doing top5 or top10 lists. It is amazingly foolish to put WOW on a list like that. And yes I played WOW shortly after launch, but I still do not agree at all.

Do you think I'll be clicking on another thread like this on this site? No way. It wouldn't matter anymore to me. I'm sure I'm not alone.

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1/06/10 2:05:24 PM#59

uhhh... GUILD WARS should have been in there amongst top 3 definetly... the only PvP that I played that requires skill and not button bashing which seems like thats what u posted here... exept for EVE....

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1/06/10 2:08:14 PM#60
Originally posted by rewindmad

For those of you who laugh at wow being on the list, have you actually played the game within the first 2 years of its release?  Yes i admit the pvp now in WoW is a complete joke. However back in the old days before the AQ patch even.  I absolutely LOVED AV.  i still remember 8 hour long battles in AV where neither side could see victory, just back and forth of pure slaughter.  In my opinion, blizzard should make another server to just allow old gameplay and none of the new crap they put in the game.

I liked the old 8 hour AVs but it is still instanced PvP with no consequences upon death.

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