Originally posted by Scripture1

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

What two religions get bashed the most? I'd say Muslim and Christian.

Why is that? I think because they bring it on themselves. If you're going to stick your nose in other people's business, they are going to eventually push back. And Muslims and Christians seem the most prone to stick their nose in other people's business.

Like riots about a cartoon of Muhammed. that's freedom of speech. If you don't like it, don't look at the cartoon. You dont' go tearing up the place and telling other people what they can and can't look at as a cartoon.

And Christians get all bent out of shape  because some lesbians might get married. It's perfectly fine for them to make babies, you can't stop that, and it's perfectly fine for them to live together, you can't stop that, but oh my what horrors will ensue if they get married.

Buddhists on the other hand tend to mind their own business, and tend not to get bashed.

So that's pretty much it. Stay out of other people's business, you won't get bashed. Stick your nose where it doesn't belong, some people are probably going to bash you.

 

Very bold statements here, however I would have to declare how wrong these statements are:

I for one am a Christian, and if you knew anything about true Christianity then you would realize that those who bash you cannot by right call themselves christians. If the first thing you were told by a person claiming to be a christian was that you are imoral and are going to hell because of the lifestyle you live then that is not a person to fairly use as a profile as a christian.

Reason, because a christian is also known as a disciple of Christ, and by disciple I mean student and every student learns and imitates his/her teachers behavior, thus Christ  never bashed but was "bashed". John 8:7 speaks of a lady caught in the act of adultery and in those days the custom was to make a public example out of her and stone her to death, much like the meda does today, though the stones of today are more verbal than literal, the person still dies a death of character.

That was just one of many examples of how christ teaches us to forgive our neighbors rather than throw stones or "bashing" as mentioned above. Instead of condemning the woman Christ opened the eyes of her accusers by asking which of them was without sin, and if they were without sin then cast the first stone. Everyone of them dropped their stones and walked away. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" she replied "No one, sir,"
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

Her immoral ways were what got her in trouble but the response Christ gave her was one of compassion and forgivness. True christians will not bash you for the sins you commit, but rather they will show compassion and will try to bring you to the knowledge of a forgiving God and savior. I not speak about muslims because I am not posting to defend or to "bash" them, but I will say this much; one of the most well known verses in the bible is John 3:16 which declares "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that who ever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life" So yes, God hates our sinful life which was cause for a savior to save us in the first place. However; no where in the entire bible does John 3:16 falls under contradiction by a an apposing verse which declares he came into the world to condemn or "bash" sinners, rather Jesus Christ himself declares "For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved"(John 3:17)

One of the plans of God is that through mans free will we will come to realize that we are indeed sinners, not some of us but ALL of us who were born into this world, and because of this we should know that we are in need of a savior, and to all who comes to this truth and believe in Him will have the right to become a child of God or in other words a Christian. For all who does not believe in Jesus Christ then there is also a plan for them, but that is not something we decide to throw at people nor should we use that to put fear into the hearts of those whom we minister to. Christians are not called to fear people to God but rather to LOVE people to God, anything else is not born of God.

I will leave it at that, there is much to be said in response to your post, I tried not to read it because of the title but I was compelled. This was not to appose you but rather to defend the faith of true believers. I to have been victim to much bashing from "So-called" christians and was discouraged, but I found out what a true christian is and. Not partial to sin and totally in apposition to sin, but at the same time compassionate to those who are in sin, pointing them to a better way which is in Christ Jesus.

 

 

Ok... Two things here.

First, since you claim that the ones who are being vocal with their Christianity are the ones that are dying "a death of character," then maybe you should inform them of this.  You all should've told these same individuals to "shut up!" and maybe we wouldn't even have this discussion.  I mean, we've seen through history that the vocal individuals are usually the ones that instill change.  This also includes religion in politics... keep it out.

Also, your little story about the woman.  That's all fine-and-dandy, but there's already history of Christian prosecution of women.  Salem Witch Trials.  Countless hudreds (maybe even thousands... the history of the dead from these "trials" are "sketchy") of women drowned, burned to death, and caged all because they were believed to be "Witches".  Yet, the methods of determining if a woman was not a Witch was pretty much "death".  I mean, if they submerge you under water, bound, with a rock tied to you, and say "If she ends up coming up escaping and coming up for air, then she's a Witch!"  That's pretty much a death sentence right there regardless of the outcome.

Second, also revolves around public displays of religion.  Specifically, quoting scripture to others, which you are doing here.  You are attempting to instill your religious beliefs onto others.  Especially when it comes to the "follow Christ or perish" mantra.  And, before you say, "I didn't do that," I have highlighted, in yellow, the portions where you did.  You are throwing your belief in Christian scripture at the ones who do not believe in Christianity with pre-judgement.  "we are indeed sinners... ALL of us who were born into this world." and "For all who does not believe in Jesus Christ then there is also a plan for them..."  You are judging non-believers with your own Christian beliefs, yet you claim you don't.  That's hypocrisy.  Especially considering you just did the part you said that Christians shouldn't do.  I highlighted that portion in red.

The simple thing is, keep religion out of the government.  Worship how you want, but do not enforce those beliefs onto others who do not believe or do not want to believe.  That includes public displays of religion, such as scripture-quoting.  And, especially with the Mormons and Jehova Witnesses that go door-to-door.  It's no wonder a vast majority of people ignore these individuals as they are also attempting to convert people to their beliefs.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Scripture1

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

What two religions get bashed the most? I'd say Muslim and Christian.

Why is that? I think because they bring it on themselves. If you're going to stick your nose in other people's business, they are going to eventually push back. And Muslims and Christians seem the most prone to stick their nose in other people's business.

Like riots about a cartoon of Muhammed. that's freedom of speech. If you don't like it, don't look at the cartoon. You dont' go tearing up the place and telling other people what they can and can't look at as a cartoon.

And Christians get all bent out of shape  because some lesbians might get married. It's perfectly fine for them to make babies, you can't stop that, and it's perfectly fine for them to live together, you can't stop that, but oh my what horrors will ensue if they get married.

Buddhists on the other hand tend to mind their own business, and tend not to get bashed.

So that's pretty much it. Stay out of other people's business, you won't get bashed. Stick your nose where it doesn't belong, some people are probably going to bash you.

 

Very bold statements here, however I would have to declare how wrong these statements are:

I for one am a Christian, and if you knew anything about true Christianity then you would realize that those who bash you cannot by right call themselves christians. If the first thing you were told by a person claiming to be a christian was that you are imoral and are going to hell because of the lifestyle you live then that is not a person to fairly use as a profile as a christian.

Reason, because a christian is also known as a disciple of Christ, and by disciple I mean student and every student learns and imitates his/her teachers behavior, thus Christ  never bashed but was "bashed". John 8:7 speaks of a lady caught in the act of adultery and in those days the custom was to make a public example out of her and stone her to death, much like the meda does today, though the stones of today are more verbal than literal, the person still dies a death of character.

That was just one of many examples of how christ teaches us to forgive our neighbors rather than throw stones or "bashing" as mentioned above. Instead of condemning the woman Christ opened the eyes of her accusers by asking which of them was without sin, and if they were without sin then cast the first stone. Everyone of them dropped their stones and walked away. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" she replied "No one, sir,"
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

Her immoral ways were what got her in trouble but the response Christ gave her was one of compassion and forgivness. True christians will not bash you for the sins you commit, but rather they will show compassion and will try to bring you to the knowledge of a forgiving God and savior. I not speak about muslims because I am not posting to defend or to "bash" them, but I will say this much; one of the most well known verses in the bible is John 3:16 which declares "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that who ever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life" So yes, God hates our sinful life which was cause for a savior to save us in the first place. However; no where in the entire bible does John 3:16 falls under contradiction by a an apposing verse which declares he came into the world to condemn or "bash" sinners, rather Jesus Christ himself declares "For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved"(John 3:17)

One of the plans of God is that through mans free will we will come to realize that we are indeed sinners, not some of us but ALL of us who were born into this world, and because of this we should know that we are in need of a savior, and to all who comes to this truth and believe in Him will have the right to become a child of God or in other words a Christian. For all who does not believe in Jesus Christ then there is also a plan for them, but that is not something we decide to throw at people nor should we use that to put fear into the hearts of those whom we minister to. Christians are not called to fear people to God but rather to LOVE people to God, anything else is not born of God.

I will leave it at that, there is much to be said in response to your post, I tried not to read it because of the title but I was compelled. This was not to appose you but rather to defend the faith of true believers. I to have been victim to much bashing from "So-called" christians and was discouraged, but I found out what a true christian is and. Not partial to sin and totally in apposition to sin, but at the same time compassionate to those who are in sin, pointing them to a better way which is in Christ Jesus.

 

 

Ok... Two things here.

First, since you claim that the ones who are being vocal with their Christianity are the ones that are dying "a death of character," then maybe you should inform them of this.  You all should've told these same individuals to "shut up!" and maybe we wouldn't even have this discussion.  I mean, we've seen through history that the vocal individuals are usually the ones that instill change.  This also includes religion in politics... keep it out.

Also, your little story about the woman.  That's all fine-and-dandy, but there's already history of Christian prosecution of women.  Salem Witch Trials.  Countless hudreds (maybe even thousands... the history of the dead from these "trials" are "sketchy") of women drowned, burned to death, and caged all because they were believed to be "Witches".  Yet, the methods of determining if a woman was not a Witch was pretty much "death".  I mean, if they submerge you under water, bound, with a rock tied to you, and say "If she ends up coming up escaping and coming up for air, then she's a Witch!"  That's pretty much a death sentence right there regardless of the outcome.

 

Second, also revolves around public displays of religion.  Specifically, quoting scripture to others, which you are doing here.  You are attempting to instill your religious beliefs onto others.  Especially when it comes to the "follow Christ or perish" mantra.  And, before you say, "I didn't do that," I have highlighted, in yellow, the portions where you did.  You are throwing your belief in Christian scripture at the ones who do not believe in Christianity with pre-judgement.  "we are indeed sinners... ALL of us who were born into this world." and "For all who does not believe in Jesus Christ then there is also a plan for them..."  You are judging non-believers with your own Christian beliefs, yet you claim you don't.  That's hypocrisy.  Especially considering you just did the part you said that Christians shouldn't do.  I highlighted that portion in red.

 

The simple thing is, keep religion out of the government.  Worship how you want, but do not enforce those beliefs onto others who do not believe or do not want to believe.  That includes public displays of religion, such as scripture-quoting.  And, especially with the Mormons and Jehova Witnesses that go door-to-door.  It's no wonder a vast majority of people ignore these individuals as they are also attempting to convert people to their beliefs.

In the 20th century, there is a far bigger record of atheist persecution than Christian persecution (China, Soviet Union, Cuba, Viet Nam -- all atheist persecutions).

/agree with keeping relgiion out of government -- but to place persecution at the hands of religion is to ignore the last 100 years. Once again, evil people choose evil ideologies -- whether they are ideologies within religions or evil atheist ideologies.

It's the people and the specific ideology -- not whether they are religious or not religious.

/disagree vis a vis public displays of religion. That just shows you don't agree with the first amendment. Disagree there vehemently.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by hoopty

This is what i see... efefia  is  Tymoris ....

 

I know them both fairly well in a "e" sense, and no they are not the same guy. Tymoris is Greek, Efefia is a Brit. Tymoris is witty and intelligent; Efefia is...not. Tymoris is a good guy...Efefia is....not.

Tymoris is a valuable poster, Efefia is pure troll.

Hoopty admit it, you have a tendency to be a bigger dick than I am -- and that's saying a lot :)

 

 

Are you still "butthurt" because I "PWNed" you and destroyed your credability to argue anything SWG related?  (using terminology I've seen you use on these forums)

PS

I love you too sweetheart, don't ever change.

Originally posted by hoopty

This is what i see... efefia  is  Tymoris ....

OMG... OMG.. OMG... 2 people in agreement, it must be a conspiracy!  lol

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by hoopty

This is what i see... efefia  is  Tymoris ....

 

I know them both fairly well in a "e" sense, and no they are not the same guy. Tymoris is Greek, Efefia is a Brit. Tymoris is witty and intelligent; Efefia is...not. Tymoris is a good guy...Efefia is....not.

Tymoris is a valuable poster, Efefia is pure troll.

Hoopty admit it, you have a tendency to be a bigger dick than I am -- and that's saying a lot :)

 

 

 

Are you still "butthurt" because I "PWNed" you and destroyed your credability to argue anything SWG related?  (using terminology I've seen you use on these forums)

PS

I love you too sweetheart, don't ever change.

Wow efefia coming out of left field with a brutal attack!

Efefia - 1

Fishermage - 0

Originally posted by Briansho

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by hoopty

This is what i see... efefia  is  Tymoris ....

 

I know them both fairly well in a "e" sense, and no they are not the same guy. Tymoris is Greek, Efefia is a Brit. Tymoris is witty and intelligent; Efefia is...not. Tymoris is a good guy...Efefia is....not.

Tymoris is a valuable poster, Efefia is pure troll.

Hoopty admit it, you have a tendency to be a bigger dick than I am -- and that's saying a lot :)

 

 

 

Are you still "butthurt" because I "PWNed" you and destroyed your credability to argue anything SWG related?  (using terminology I've seen you use on these forums)

PS

I love you too sweetheart, don't ever change.

 

Wow efefia coming out of left field with a brutal attack!

Efefia - 1

Fishermage - 0

How is that a brutal attack?  Try contributing to the thread instead of trolling...troll

krisknife has yet to post his facts. I guess what he posted was what he BELIEVED in.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Scripture1

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

What two religions get bashed the most? I'd say Muslim and Christian.

Why is that? I think because they bring it on themselves. If you're going to stick your nose in other people's business, they are going to eventually push back. And Muslims and Christians seem the most prone to stick their nose in other people's business.

Like riots about a cartoon of Muhammed. that's freedom of speech. If you don't like it, don't look at the cartoon. You dont' go tearing up the place and telling other people what they can and can't look at as a cartoon.

And Christians get all bent out of shape  because some lesbians might get married. It's perfectly fine for them to make babies, you can't stop that, and it's perfectly fine for them to live together, you can't stop that, but oh my what horrors will ensue if they get married.

Buddhists on the other hand tend to mind their own business, and tend not to get bashed.

So that's pretty much it. Stay out of other people's business, you won't get bashed. Stick your nose where it doesn't belong, some people are probably going to bash you.

 

Very bold statements here, however I would have to declare how wrong these statements are:

I for one am a Christian, and if you knew anything about true Christianity then you would realize that those who bash you cannot by right call themselves christians. If the first thing you were told by a person claiming to be a christian was that you are imoral and are going to hell because of the lifestyle you live then that is not a person to fairly use as a profile as a christian.

Reason, because a christian is also known as a disciple of Christ, and by disciple I mean student and every student learns and imitates his/her teachers behavior, thus Christ  never bashed but was "bashed". John 8:7 speaks of a lady caught in the act of adultery and in those days the custom was to make a public example out of her and stone her to death, much like the meda does today, though the stones of today are more verbal than literal, the person still dies a death of character.

That was just one of many examples of how christ teaches us to forgive our neighbors rather than throw stones or "bashing" as mentioned above. Instead of condemning the woman Christ opened the eyes of her accusers by asking which of them was without sin, and if they were without sin then cast the first stone. Everyone of them dropped their stones and walked away. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" she replied "No one, sir,"
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

Her immoral ways were what got her in trouble but the response Christ gave her was one of compassion and forgivness. True christians will not bash you for the sins you commit, but rather they will show compassion and will try to bring you to the knowledge of a forgiving God and savior. I not speak about muslims because I am not posting to defend or to "bash" them, but I will say this much; one of the most well known verses in the bible is John 3:16 which declares "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that who ever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life" So yes, God hates our sinful life which was cause for a savior to save us in the first place. However; no where in the entire bible does John 3:16 falls under contradiction by a an apposing verse which declares he came into the world to condemn or "bash" sinners, rather Jesus Christ himself declares "For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved"(John 3:17)

One of the plans of God is that through mans free will we will come to realize that we are indeed sinners, not some of us but ALL of us who were born into this world, and because of this we should know that we are in need of a savior, and to all who comes to this truth and believe in Him will have the right to become a child of God or in other words a Christian. For all who does not believe in Jesus Christ then there is also a plan for them, but that is not something we decide to throw at people nor should we use that to put fear into the hearts of those whom we minister to. Christians are not called to fear people to God but rather to LOVE people to God, anything else is not born of God.

I will leave it at that, there is much to be said in response to your post, I tried not to read it because of the title but I was compelled. This was not to appose you but rather to defend the faith of true believers. I to have been victim to much bashing from "So-called" christians and was discouraged, but I found out what a true christian is and. Not partial to sin and totally in apposition to sin, but at the same time compassionate to those who are in sin, pointing them to a better way which is in Christ Jesus.

 

 

Ok... Two things here.

First, since you claim that the ones who are being vocal with their Christianity are the ones that are dying "a death of character," then maybe you should inform them of this.  You all should've told these same individuals to "shut up!" and maybe we wouldn't even have this discussion.  I mean, we've seen through history that the vocal individuals are usually the ones that instill change.  This also includes religion in politics... keep it out.

Also, your little story about the woman.  That's all fine-and-dandy, but there's already history of Christian prosecution of women.  Salem Witch Trials.  Countless hudreds (maybe even thousands... the history of the dead from these "trials" are "sketchy") of women drowned, burned to death, and caged all because they were believed to be "Witches".  Yet, the methods of determining if a woman was not a Witch was pretty much "death".  I mean, if they submerge you under water, bound, with a rock tied to you, and say "If she ends up coming up escaping and coming up for air, then she's a Witch!"  That's pretty much a death sentence right there regardless of the outcome.

 

Second, also revolves around public displays of religion.  Specifically, quoting scripture to others, which you are doing here.  You are attempting to instill your religious beliefs onto others.  Especially when it comes to the "follow Christ or perish" mantra.  And, before you say, "I didn't do that," I have highlighted, in yellow, the portions where you did.  You are throwing your belief in Christian scripture at the ones who do not believe in Christianity with pre-judgement.  "we are indeed sinners... ALL of us who were born into this world." and "For all who does not believe in Jesus Christ then there is also a plan for them..."  You are judging non-believers with your own Christian beliefs, yet you claim you don't.  That's hypocrisy.  Especially considering you just did the part you said that Christians shouldn't do.  I highlighted that portion in red.

 

The simple thing is, keep religion out of the government.  Worship how you want, but do not enforce those beliefs onto others who do not believe or do not want to believe.  That includes public displays of religion, such as scripture-quoting.  And, especially with the Mormons and Jehova Witnesses that go door-to-door.  It's no wonder a vast majority of people ignore these individuals as they are also attempting to convert people to their beliefs.

 

In the 20th century, there is a far bigger record of atheist persecution than Christian persecution (China, Soviet Union, Cuba, Viet Nam -- all atheist persecutions). Ok, yes atheists were persecuted when they did something not part of the atheist faith. Christians were straight out killed in both China and the Soviet Union. As to China,and Vietnamt . Those that follow the Buddha were locked up, killed or tortured. That is still a fact today. Just read up on Tibet. Cuba is a bad example.

/agree with keeping relgiion out of government -- but to place persecution at the hands of religion(should be atheism, as both the old U.S.S.R <stalinism> and China<Maoism> promoted the workers value of atheism. is to ignore the last 100 years.Perhaps you should read up on your history books. Seems you are quite misinformed. Once again, evil people choose evil ideologies -- whether they are ideologies within religions or evil atheist ideologies.

It's the people and the specific ideology -- not whether they are religious or not religious.

/disagree vis a vis public displays of religion. That just shows you don't agree with the first amendment. Disagree there vehemently.lol

I'm Catholic, but I'd never try to push it on anybody, that's just rude.

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by hoopty

This is what i see... efefia  is  Tymoris ....

 

I know them both fairly well in a "e" sense, and no they are not the same guy. Tymoris is Greek, Efefia is a Brit. Tymoris is witty and intelligent; Efefia is...not. Tymoris is a good guy...Efefia is....not.

Tymoris is a valuable poster, Efefia is pure troll.

Hoopty admit it, you have a tendency to be a bigger dick than I am -- and that's saying a lot :)

 

 

 

Are you still "butthurt" because I "PWNed" you and destroyed your credability to argue anything SWG related?  (using terminology I've seen you use on these forums)

PS

I love you too sweetheart, don't ever change.

Ad hominem never PWNs anyone. You lost when you started that game. However, you are still pure troll. Wish you would change. The world is always improved when people repent, change their ways and turn to the light.

Originally posted by xpowderx

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Scripture1

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

What two religions get bashed the most? I'd say Muslim and Christian.

Why is that? I think because they bring it on themselves. If you're going to stick your nose in other people's business, they are going to eventually push back. And Muslims and Christians seem the most prone to stick their nose in other people's business.

Like riots about a cartoon of Muhammed. that's freedom of speech. If you don't like it, don't look at the cartoon. You dont' go tearing up the place and telling other people what they can and can't look at as a cartoon.

And Christians get all bent out of shape  because some lesbians might get married. It's perfectly fine for them to make babies, you can't stop that, and it's perfectly fine for them to live together, you can't stop that, but oh my what horrors will ensue if they get married.

Buddhists on the other hand tend to mind their own business, and tend not to get bashed.

So that's pretty much it. Stay out of other people's business, you won't get bashed. Stick your nose where it doesn't belong, some people are probably going to bash you.

 

Very bold statements here, however I would have to declare how wrong these statements are:

I for one am a Christian, and if you knew anything about true Christianity then you would realize that those who bash you cannot by right call themselves christians. If the first thing you were told by a person claiming to be a christian was that you are imoral and are going to hell because of the lifestyle you live then that is not a person to fairly use as a profile as a christian.

Reason, because a christian is also known as a disciple of Christ, and by disciple I mean student and every student learns and imitates his/her teachers behavior, thus Christ  never bashed but was "bashed". John 8:7 speaks of a lady caught in the act of adultery and in those days the custom was to make a public example out of her and stone her to death, much like the meda does today, though the stones of today are more verbal than literal, the person still dies a death of character.

That was just one of many examples of how christ teaches us to forgive our neighbors rather than throw stones or "bashing" as mentioned above. Instead of condemning the woman Christ opened the eyes of her accusers by asking which of them was without sin, and if they were without sin then cast the first stone. Everyone of them dropped their stones and walked away. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" she replied "No one, sir,"
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

Her immoral ways were what got her in trouble but the response Christ gave her was one of compassion and forgivness. True christians will not bash you for the sins you commit, but rather they will show compassion and will try to bring you to the knowledge of a forgiving God and savior. I not speak about muslims because I am not posting to defend or to "bash" them, but I will say this much; one of the most well known verses in the bible is John 3:16 which declares "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that who ever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life" So yes, God hates our sinful life which was cause for a savior to save us in the first place. However; no where in the entire bible does John 3:16 falls under contradiction by a an apposing verse which declares he came into the world to condemn or "bash" sinners, rather Jesus Christ himself declares "For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved"(John 3:17)

One of the plans of God is that through mans free will we will come to realize that we are indeed sinners, not some of us but ALL of us who were born into this world, and because of this we should know that we are in need of a savior, and to all who comes to this truth and believe in Him will have the right to become a child of God or in other words a Christian. For all who does not believe in Jesus Christ then there is also a plan for them, but that is not something we decide to throw at people nor should we use that to put fear into the hearts of those whom we minister to. Christians are not called to fear people to God but rather to LOVE people to God, anything else is not born of God.

I will leave it at that, there is much to be said in response to your post, I tried not to read it because of the title but I was compelled. This was not to appose you but rather to defend the faith of true believers. I to have been victim to much bashing from "So-called" christians and was discouraged, but I found out what a true christian is and. Not partial to sin and totally in apposition to sin, but at the same time compassionate to those who are in sin, pointing them to a better way which is in Christ Jesus.

 

 

Ok... Two things here.

First, since you claim that the ones who are being vocal with their Christianity are the ones that are dying "a death of character," then maybe you should inform them of this.  You all should've told these same individuals to "shut up!" and maybe we wouldn't even have this discussion.  I mean, we've seen through history that the vocal individuals are usually the ones that instill change.  This also includes religion in politics... keep it out.

Also, your little story about the woman.  That's all fine-and-dandy, but there's already history of Christian prosecution of women.  Salem Witch Trials.  Countless hudreds (maybe even thousands... the history of the dead from these "trials" are "sketchy") of women drowned, burned to death, and caged all because they were believed to be "Witches".  Yet, the methods of determining if a woman was not a Witch was pretty much "death".  I mean, if they submerge you under water, bound, with a rock tied to you, and say "If she ends up coming up escaping and coming up for air, then she's a Witch!"  That's pretty much a death sentence right there regardless of the outcome.

 

Second, also revolves around public displays of religion.  Specifically, quoting scripture to others, which you are doing here.  You are attempting to instill your religious beliefs onto others.  Especially when it comes to the "follow Christ or perish" mantra.  And, before you say, "I didn't do that," I have highlighted, in yellow, the portions where you did.  You are throwing your belief in Christian scripture at the ones who do not believe in Christianity with pre-judgement.  "we are indeed sinners... ALL of us who were born into this world." and "For all who does not believe in Jesus Christ then there is also a plan for them..."  You are judging non-believers with your own Christian beliefs, yet you claim you don't.  That's hypocrisy.  Especially considering you just did the part you said that Christians shouldn't do.  I highlighted that portion in red.

 

The simple thing is, keep religion out of the government.  Worship how you want, but do not enforce those beliefs onto others who do not believe or do not want to believe.  That includes public displays of religion, such as scripture-quoting.  And, especially with the Mormons and Jehova Witnesses that go door-to-door.  It's no wonder a vast majority of people ignore these individuals as they are also attempting to convert people to their beliefs.

 

In the 20th century, there is a far bigger record of atheist persecution than Christian persecution (China, Soviet Union, Cuba, Viet Nam -- all atheist persecutions). Ok, yes atheists were persecuted when they did something not part of the atheist faith. Christians were straight out killed in both China and the Soviet Union. As to China,and Vietnamt . Those that follow the Buddha were locked up, killed or tortured. That is still a fact today. Just read up on Tibet. Cuba is a bad example.

/agree with keeping relgiion out of government -- but to place persecution at the hands of religion(should be atheism, as both the old U.S.S.R <stalinism> and China<Maoism> promoted the workers value of atheism. is to ignore the last 100 years.Perhaps you should read up on your history books. Seems you are quite misinformed. Once again, evil people choose evil ideologies -- whether they are ideologies within religions or evil atheist ideologies.

It's the people and the specific ideology -- not whether they are religious or not religious.

/disagree vis a vis public displays of religion. That just shows you don't agree with the first amendment. Disagree there vehemently.lol

 

Ummm did you read what I wrote? have you even read this thread and what I have said here? I was talking about atheists record of persecution (not athiests BEING persecuted), and you agreed with me, yet tell me to read up? WTF?

Has anyone over ran into people preaching their faith in WoW?
I have, I think its annoying, even though I'm catholic

Originally posted by peacereign

Has anyone over ran into people preaching their faith in WoW?
I have, I think its annoying, even though I'm catholic

I preach the teachings of Sylvana's daily! especially in the arena! 00

Originally posted by peacereign

Has anyone over ran into people preaching their faith in WoW?
I have, I think its annoying, even though I'm catholic

I see more faith bashers in mmorpgs then anything. Most of them I am guessing just like getting people angry. Works both ways too.

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by peacereign

Has anyone over ran into people preaching their faith in WoW?
I have, I think its annoying, even though I'm catholic

 

I see more faith bashers Anti Christ in mmorpgs then anything. Most of them I am guessing just like getting people angry. Works both ways too.

Sorry i like what you wrote i just had to change a few things...

Originally posted by peacereign

Has anyone over ran into people preaching their faith in WoW?
I have, I think its annoying, even though I'm catholic

I have not seen this in MMORPGs, but I didn't play WoW for very long. Since WoW is the biggest MMORPG, it's bound to have a little bit of every kind of person, including the annoying evangelist who thinks they are working directly for God, and actually believe that someone is going to listen to their lame attempts to proselytize.

These people are so vain they never realize they probably turn off a lot more potential new Christians than they recruit with their self righteousness.

Yea, it's annoying, but it's just another form of asshattery. To think someone spent good money to play a game, and now they want to accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior in an imaginary land of elves and trolls. That's seriously nutty. But, that's what the ignore command is for.

tolerance
Definition
tol·er·ance[ tóll?r?nss ]tol·er·ances Plural

NOUN
1. acceptance of different views: the acceptance of the differing views of other people, e.g. in religious or political matters, and fairness toward the people who hold these different views
2. tolerating of somebody or something: the act of putting up with somebody or something irritating or otherwise unpleasant
3. ability to endure hardship: the ability to put up with harsh or difficult conditions
4. medicine ability to remain unaffected: the loss of or reduction in the usual response to a drug or other agent as a result of use or exposure over a prolonged period
5. engineering allowance made for deviation: an allowance made for something to deviate in size from a standard, or the limit within which it is allowed to deviate
6. biology ability to withstand extremes: the ability of an organism to survive in extreme conditions
 

This board needs some.

bull·shit (blsht) Vulgar Slang
n.
1. Foolish, deceitful, or boastful language.
2. Something worthless, deceptive, or insincere.
3. Insolent talk or behavior.
v. bull·shit also bull·shat (-sht) or bull·shit·ted (-shtd), bull·shit·ting, bull·shits
v.intr.
1. To speak foolishly or insolently.
2. To engage in idle conversation.
v.tr.
To attempt to mislead or deceive by talking nonsense.
adj.
Very angry; incensed.
interj.
Used to express extreme displeasure or exasperation.

This board has allot of it...

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by hoopty

This is what i see... efefia  is  Tymoris ....

 

I know them both fairly well in a "e" sense, and no they are not the same guy. Tymoris is Greek, Efefia is a Brit. Tymoris is witty and intelligent; Efefia is...not. Tymoris is a good guy...Efefia is....not.

Tymoris is a valuable poster, Efefia is pure troll.

Hoopty admit it, you have a tendency to be a bigger dick than I am -- and that's saying a lot :)

 

 

 

Are you still "butthurt" because I "PWNed" you and destroyed your credability to argue anything SWG related?  (using terminology I've seen you use on these forums)

PS

I love you too sweetheart, don't ever change.

 

Ad hominem never PWNs anyone. You lost when you started that game. However, you are still pure troll. Wish you would change. The world is always improved when people repent, change their ways and turn to the light.

"Ad hominem"  lol!

For posterity: rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php

Probably do the people here some good to see the real you, your opinion, your praise and your credability is worth nothing more than a ticket to Vegas.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Scripture1

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

What two religions get bashed the most? I'd say Muslim and Christian.

Why is that? I think because they bring it on themselves. If you're going to stick your nose in other people's business, they are going to eventually push back. And Muslims and Christians seem the most prone to stick their nose in other people's business.

Like riots about a cartoon of Muhammed. that's freedom of speech. If you don't like it, don't look at the cartoon. You dont' go tearing up the place and telling other people what they can and can't look at as a cartoon.

And Christians get all bent out of shape  because some lesbians might get married. It's perfectly fine for them to make babies, you can't stop that, and it's perfectly fine for them to live together, you can't stop that, but oh my what horrors will ensue if they get married.

Buddhists on the other hand tend to mind their own business, and tend not to get bashed.

So that's pretty much it. Stay out of other people's business, you won't get bashed. Stick your nose where it doesn't belong, some people are probably going to bash you.

 

Very bold statements here, however I would have to declare how wrong these statements are:

I for one am a Christian, and if you knew anything about true Christianity then you would realize that those who bash you cannot by right call themselves christians. If the first thing you were told by a person claiming to be a christian was that you are imoral and are going to hell because of the lifestyle you live then that is not a person to fairly use as a profile as a christian.

Reason, because a christian is also known as a disciple of Christ, and by disciple I mean student and every student learns and imitates his/her teachers behavior, thus Christ  never bashed but was "bashed". John 8:7 speaks of a lady caught in the act of adultery and in those days the custom was to make a public example out of her and stone her to death, much like the meda does today, though the stones of today are more verbal than literal, the person still dies a death of character.

That was just one of many examples of how christ teaches us to forgive our neighbors rather than throw stones or "bashing" as mentioned above. Instead of condemning the woman Christ opened the eyes of her accusers by asking which of them was without sin, and if they were without sin then cast the first stone. Everyone of them dropped their stones and walked away. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" she replied "No one, sir,"
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

Her immoral ways were what got her in trouble but the response Christ gave her was one of compassion and forgivness. True christians will not bash you for the sins you commit, but rather they will show compassion and will try to bring you to the knowledge of a forgiving God and savior. I not speak about muslims because I am not posting to defend or to "bash" them, but I will say this much; one of the most well known verses in the bible is John 3:16 which declares "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that who ever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life" So yes, God hates our sinful life which was cause for a savior to save us in the first place. However; no where in the entire bible does John 3:16 falls under contradiction by a an apposing verse which declares he came into the world to condemn or "bash" sinners, rather Jesus Christ himself declares "For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved"(John 3:17)

One of the plans of God is that through mans free will we will come to realize that we are indeed sinners, not some of us but ALL of us who were born into this world, and because of this we should know that we are in need of a savior, and to all who comes to this truth and believe in Him will have the right to become a child of God or in other words a Christian. For all who does not believe in Jesus Christ then there is also a plan for them, but that is not something we decide to throw at people nor should we use that to put fear into the hearts of those whom we minister to. Christians are not called to fear people to God but rather to LOVE people to God, anything else is not born of God.

I will leave it at that, there is much to be said in response to your post, I tried not to read it because of the title but I was compelled. This was not to appose you but rather to defend the faith of true believers. I to have been victim to much bashing from "So-called" christians and was discouraged, but I found out what a true christian is and. Not partial to sin and totally in apposition to sin, but at the same time compassionate to those who are in sin, pointing them to a better way which is in Christ Jesus.

 

 

Ok... Two things here.

First, since you claim that the ones who are being vocal with their Christianity are the ones that are dying "a death of character," then maybe you should inform them of this.  You all should've told these same individuals to "shut up!" and maybe we wouldn't even have this discussion.  I mean, we've seen through history that the vocal individuals are usually the ones that instill change.  This also includes religion in politics... keep it out.

Also, your little story about the woman.  That's all fine-and-dandy, but there's already history of Christian prosecution of women.  Salem Witch Trials.  Countless hudreds (maybe even thousands... the history of the dead from these "trials" are "sketchy") of women drowned, burned to death, and caged all because they were believed to be "Witches".  Yet, the methods of determining if a woman was not a Witch was pretty much "death".  I mean, if they submerge you under water, bound, with a rock tied to you, and say "If she ends up coming up escaping and coming up for air, then she's a Witch!"  That's pretty much a death sentence right there regardless of the outcome.

 

Second, also revolves around public displays of religion.  Specifically, quoting scripture to others, which you are doing here.  You are attempting to instill your religious beliefs onto others.  Especially when it comes to the "follow Christ or perish" mantra.  And, before you say, "I didn't do that," I have highlighted, in yellow, the portions where you did.  You are throwing your belief in Christian scripture at the ones who do not believe in Christianity with pre-judgement.  "we are indeed sinners... ALL of us who were born into this world." and "For all who does not believe in Jesus Christ then there is also a plan for them..."  You are judging non-believers with your own Christian beliefs, yet you claim you don't.  That's hypocrisy.  Especially considering you just did the part you said that Christians shouldn't do.  I highlighted that portion in red.

 

The simple thing is, keep religion out of the government.  Worship how you want, but do not enforce those beliefs onto others who do not believe or do not want to believe.  That includes public displays of religion, such as scripture-quoting.  And, especially with the Mormons and Jehova Witnesses that go door-to-door.  It's no wonder a vast majority of people ignore these individuals as they are also attempting to convert people to their beliefs.

Hello again,

First let me say; not to shame your comprehension skills at all but you really did not read my post, I never said the ones who are being vocal are dieing a death of character...please go back and re-read the statement on who I actually said was dieing a death of character, your perception on what I wrote is incoherent.

You compare my story which I quoted from scripture to stories of tortured women throughout history and by doing so I realize having a logical conversation with you on this point would not be possible. You fail to realize that any such practice(As my initial point was) is not in Christian belief. The christian faith does not promote torture and because of the very example I gave you, something in your mind should have clicked and said "Hmm, my knowledge is contradictory to what is said to be truth". You Fail at realizing that a TRUE christian is one the adheres to the bible and NOT the ones who burn women who are accused of being witches.

However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and ask something of you; find me ANYWHERE in the history of christianity where it is taught that christians are to bash, torture, burn or any other rash accusation you speak of. If you find such teaching I will happily submit to your argument and denounce all that I have ever known. But when you find these documentations the   requirements will be that they must be authentic documents, ones that corresponds with the Bible itself and not written by those who only call themselves Christians.

So I take it that you were offended in scriptures being in my response...the irony in that offense is that you are attacking a faith whose foundation are the scriptures. if you knew how to box and went in the ring with a man whose knowledge is only in armed combat then of course he would use the only weapon he was trained to use, so then you should not consider it an offense if your opponent does not fight on your level when you do not match up.

My intent was not to smear your mind with scriptures but rather to use the scriptures which we live by to show how wrong your preemtive views of what real Christianity is. If in fact you felt like I was trying to influence you then perhaps you were influenced and responded in open rejection.

You say that I am judging non-believers with my own Christian beliefs... really? tell me what I said that was my own words and caused me to judge. It could not be because I declared that all who does not believe there is a plan for them, because if those words were inspired by myself then that would mean I'm trying to be God. Well I am pleased to point you back to scriptures which state the same thing, proving that Christians are not to say or do anything outside of the true teaching of the faith, so when you have a chance look up Mark 16:16, I imitated what the scriptures said, all I was guilty of was not stating that the scriptures said it.

So according to you we must keep government and religion separate. I'm not saying it's impossible because we are getting closer to those days being a reality, that fight was not assigned to me so I will not say to you "NO NO GOVERNMENT NEED RELIGION"... no I will not promote that here. However, I will say that it's a shame that a strong nation such as this first declaration was "In God we trust" now wants to declare it needs no God. I do not force religion on you or anyone else for that matter. If you ask I will answer, if you attack I will respond, but it's God who defends. Read a bible someday even if you don't believe it and then after finding substance then come back and post to the true Christians. You say I'm trying to spread my religion by quoting scriptures on here but I could also accuse you of trying to give true believers a bad name. But no instead I will percieve you as one with his own views, though totally misguided and misinformed. Others will hopefully not follow your views and actually read authentic documentation, so in the future more intellectual statements can be rendered.

Edit: I did like your color scheme for my previous post though, I like yellow and red, are you an artist by chance, it almost looks like a pattern.