What two religions get bashed the most? I'd say Muslim and Christian.

Why is that? I think because they bring it on themselves. If you're going to stick your nose in other people's business, they are going to eventually push back. And Muslims and Christians seem the most prone to stick their nose in other people's business.

Like riots about a cartoon of Muhammed. that's freedom of speech. If you don't like it, don't look at the cartoon. You dont' go tearing up the place and telling other people what they can and can't look at as a cartoon.

And Christians get all bent out of shape  because some lesbians might get married. It's perfectly fine for them to make babies, you can't stop that, and it's perfectly fine for them to live together, you can't stop that, but oh my what horrors will ensue if they get married.

Buddhists on the other hand tend to mind their own business, and tend not to get bashed.

So that's pretty much it. Stay out of other people's business, you won't get bashed. Stick your nose where it doesn't belong, some people are probably going to bash you.

Agree

It also has a lot with both of those religions bashing people who don't follow their religion.  Telling them they're going to hell, calling them immoral, etc.

I have never wanted or advocated anyone's loss of freedom. I believe in near absolute free speech (I am even against obscenity laws), ending the war on drugs, against religious expression on government property, against Intelligent Design being taught in the science class, and so on -- yet my religion is bashed as much as fundamentalists' take on the faith.

If people made it a point to NOT bash the religion, but bash the ideas within certain certain individual branches of these religions, there would be no problem. Unfortunately, that would take discernment and thought.

Conversely, the worst slave pens in history have beeb created by ATHEISM. All marxism is atheism, so the millions stalin killed, the millions mao killed, the millions killed by marxists everywhere are not only atheists telling people how to live, but atheists as mass murderers. Does this mean all atheists are such? Of course not. However, if we all reason the same way, atheism is just as responsible for all these things as Christianity and Islam is responsible for the other.

So, IF Christians deserve it, atheists deserve it moreso. Remember I think this is a crap arguement from BOTH sides.

Secondly, let us look at Darwinism (I agree with darwin on evolution -- however this is a discussion for the sake of a discussion). Aryanism and all master race theory is an outgrowth of darwinism. That was the primary outlook of the nazis.

Does this mean that all darwinists deserve bashing because they are nazis? Of course not. But if we argue as Imhotep and sabian are, they do deserve it.

Science and atheism can be abused as easily as religion, and in the 20th century, it is science and atheism that have had the worse record.

The point really is bad people will use bad religion and bad philosophy and bad science to justify their bad actions. It has little to do with the good versions of each. It's the people, not the theism or atheism.

Once again, Imhotep and the others here  show that the real problem is the way they think, or don't think rather. Just sheer bigotry.

Remember I will repeat I believe in science and think MANY if not most atheists are terrific people -- this was merely an illustration to show a flawed argument.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Agree

 

It also has a lot with both of those religions bashing people who don't follow their religion.  Telling them they're going to hell, calling them immoral, etc.

The main problem I have with Christians and Muslims is just what you said.  They try to convert others to their faith... usually in very overt and aggressive ways.  This also includes trying to convert people or countries of other, or no, religions over to their religion.  And, they also try to convert others of different sects of the same religion, again, usually with force.  Which has caused wars in history due to such acts (Crusades, all the Muslim religious fighting in the Middle East, Christian infighting in historical Britan, etc...)

Christians tend to make remarks to non-Christians along the lines of:

• "You need to seek salvation of Christ." 
• "Have you heard the word of God?"
• "You are going to Hell unless you repent for your sins."

Majority of Christians and Muslims think that their religion is the only one that matters.  All others that worship other things are "worshiping false idols".  I think that is the biggest thing that bugs me with Christians and Muslims... the intolerance.

And, just like the Muslims, Christian history is not devoid of religious persecution via bloodshed.  It was law, at one time, that people could hunt and kill Mormon men.  The irony is, Mormons believe in the same Bible as other Christian sects.  They just have another book to supplement the teachings from the Bible.  However, they were hunted and killed by other Christians because they didn't practice the same beliefs.  Which is why they moved to Utah (which is why Utah is known as the Mormon capital).  And, the multitude of male Mormon deaths is why they had to practice Biggomy in the past (some sects of Mormons still practice it today), so that families of men slaughtered could be taken care of by a surrogate husband.  I know all of this because I was a member of the Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS), which is the main Mormon sect, for quite a while before I became an agnostic.

Originally posted by Fishermage

I have never wanted or advocated anyone's loss of freedom. I believe in near absolute free speech (I am even against obscenity laws), ending the war on drugs, against religious expression og givernment property, against Intelligent Design being taught in the science class, and so on -- yet my religion is bashed as much as fundamentalists' take on the faith.

If people made it a point to NOT bash the religion, but bash the ideas within certaib=n certain individual branches of these religions, there would be no problem. Unfortunately, that would take discernment and thought.

Conversely, the worst slave pens in history have beeb created by ATHEISM. All marxism is atheism, so the millions stalin killed, the millions mao killed, the millions killed by marxists everywhere are not only atheists telling people how to live, but atheists as mass murderers. Does this mean all atheists are such? Of course not. However, if we all reason the same way, atheism is just as responsible for all these things as Christianity and Islam is responsible for the other.

So, IF Christians deserve it, atheists deserve it moreso. Remember I think this is a craparguement from BOTH sides.

Secondly, let us look at Darwinism (I agree with darwin on evolution -- however this is a discussion for the sake of a discussion). Aryanism and all master race theory is an outgrowth of darwinism. That was the primary outlook of the nazis.

Does this mean that all darwinists deserve bashing because they are nazis? Of course not. But if we argue as Imhotep and sabian are, they do deserve it.

Science and atheism can be abused as easily as religiion, and in the 20th century, it is science and athesism that have had the worse record.

The point really is bad people will use bad religion and bad philosophy and bad science to justify their bad actions. It has little to do with the good versions of each. It's the people, not the theism or atheism.

Once again, Imhotep and the others here  show that the real problem is the way they think, or don't think rather. Just sheer bigotry.

Remember I will repeat I believe in science and think MANY if not most atheists are terrific people -- this was merely an illustrationto show a flawed argument.

Adolf Hitler rejected darwinism and was a religious man.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

I have never wanted or advocated anyone's loss of freedom. I believe in near absolute free speech (I am even against obscenity laws), ending the war on drugs, against religious expression og givernment property, against Intelligent Design being taught in the science class, and so on -- yet my religion is bashed as much as fundamentalists' take on the faith.

If people made it a point to NOT bash the religion, but bash the ideas within certaib=n certain individual branches of these religions, there would be no problem. Unfortunately, that would take discernment and thought.

Conversely, the worst slave pens in history have beeb created by ATHEISM. All marxism is atheism, so the millions stalin killed, the millions mao killed, the millions killed by marxists everywhere are not only atheists telling people how to live, but atheists as mass murderers. Does this mean all atheists are such? Of course not. However, if we all reason the same way, atheism is just as responsible for all these things as Christianity and Islam is responsible for the other.

So, IF Christians deserve it, atheists deserve it moreso. Remember I think this is a craparguement from BOTH sides.

Secondly, let us look at Darwinism (I agree with darwin on evolution -- however this is a discussion for the sake of a discussion). Aryanism and all master race theory is an outgrowth of darwinism. That was the primary outlook of the nazis.

Does this mean that all darwinists deserve bashing because they are nazis? Of course not. But if we argue as Imhotep and sabian are, they do deserve it.

Science and atheism can be abused as easily as religiion, and in the 20th century, it is science and athesism that have had the worse record.

The point really is bad people will use bad religion and bad philosophy and bad science to justify their bad actions. It has little to do with the good versions of each. It's the people, not the theism or atheism.

Once again, Imhotep and the others here  show that the real problem is the way they think, or don't think rather. Just sheer bigotry.

Remember I will repeat I believe in science and think MANY if not most atheists are terrific people -- this was merely an illustrationto show a flawed argument.

Adolf Hitler rejected darwinism and was a religious man.

Not really. He was a liar and said whatever he had to to get people behind him. His entire society and the entire movement of Aryanism has nothing to do with religion. It was darwinist to the core.

Note I said Aryanism and Master Race theory, and you talked about Hitler. that is what we call a straw man argument -- also a silly straw man argument based upon a man's lies to gain power.

However what religion did he practice and show how what he dais and practiced were religious positions. I'd be interested to se you try and do that.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Agree

 

It also has a lot with both of those religions bashing people who don't follow their religion.  Telling them they're going to hell, calling them immoral, etc.

The main problem I have with Christians and Muslims is just what you said.  They try to convert others to their faith... usually in very overt and aggressive ways.  This also includes trying to convert people or countries of other, or no, religions over to their religion.  And, they also try to convert others of different sects of the same religion, again, usually with force.  Which has caused wars in history due to such acts (Crusades, all the Muslim religious fighting in the Middle East, Christian infighting in historical Britan, etc...)

Christians tend to make remarks to non-Christians along the lines of:

• "You need to seek salvation of Christ." 
• "Have you heard the word of God?"
• "You are going to Hell unless you repent for your sins."

Majority of Christians and Muslims think that their religion is the only one that matters.  All others that worship other things are "worshiping false idols".  I think that is the biggest thing that bugs me with Christians and Muslims... the intolerance.

And, just like the Muslims, Christian history is not devoid of religious persecution via bloodshed.  It was law, at one time, that people could hunt and kill Mormon men.  The irony is, Mormons believe in the same Bible as other Christian sects.  They just have another book to supplement the teachings from the Bible.  However, they were hunted and killed by other Christians because they didn't practice the same beliefs.  Which is why they moved to Utah (which is why Utah is known as the Mormon capital).  And, the multitude of male Mormon deaths is why they had to practice Biggomy in the past (some sects of Mormons still practice it today), so that families of men slaughtered could be taken care of by a surrogate husband.  I know all of this because I was a member of the Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS), which is the main Mormon sect, for quite a while before I became an agnostic.

I don't say any of those bullet points you raised, yet I am bashed equally for my religious beliefs by people such as Sabian, Imhotep and gameloading.

I believe God speaks to all people everywhere (even atheists), and I believe God loves everyone, and I believe everyone wil eventually be in heaven with God, I try and convert no one to my faith, and I am a libertarian, yet I get the same exact treatment as others.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

I have never wanted or advocated anyone's loss of freedom. I believe in near absolute free speech (I am even against obscenity laws), ending the war on drugs, against religious expression og givernment property, against Intelligent Design being taught in the science class, and so on -- yet my religion is bashed as much as fundamentalists' take on the faith.

If people made it a point to NOT bash the religion, but bash the ideas within certaib=n certain individual branches of these religions, there would be no problem. Unfortunately, that would take discernment and thought.

Conversely, the worst slave pens in history have beeb created by ATHEISM. All marxism is atheism, so the millions stalin killed, the millions mao killed, the millions killed by marxists everywhere are not only atheists telling people how to live, but atheists as mass murderers. Does this mean all atheists are such? Of course not. However, if we all reason the same way, atheism is just as responsible for all these things as Christianity and Islam is responsible for the other.

So, IF Christians deserve it, atheists deserve it moreso. Remember I think this is a craparguement from BOTH sides.

Secondly, let us look at Darwinism (I agree with darwin on evolution -- however this is a discussion for the sake of a discussion). Aryanism and all master race theory is an outgrowth of darwinism. That was the primary outlook of the nazis.

Does this mean that all darwinists deserve bashing because they are nazis? Of course not. But if we argue as Imhotep and sabian are, they do deserve it.

Science and atheism can be abused as easily as religiion, and in the 20th century, it is science and athesism that have had the worse record.

The point really is bad people will use bad religion and bad philosophy and bad science to justify their bad actions. It has little to do with the good versions of each. It's the people, not the theism or atheism.

Once again, Imhotep and the others here  show that the real problem is the way they think, or don't think rather. Just sheer bigotry.

Remember I will repeat I believe in science and think MANY if not most atheists are terrific people -- this was merely an illustrationto show a flawed argument.

Adolf Hitler rejected darwinism and was a religious man.

 

Not really. He was a liar and said whatever he had to to get people behind him. His entire society and the entire movement of Aryanism has nothing to do with religion. It was darwinist to the core.

Note I said Aryanism and Master Race theory, and you talked about Hitler. that is what we call a straw man argument -- also a silly straw man argument based upon a man's lies to gain power.

However what religion did he practice and show how what he dais and practiced were religious positions. I'd be interested to se you try and do that.

Anti Semitism was the result of religious belief. Not darwinism.

I talked about Hitler because you were refering to the nazis. The belief of the nazis was primarily influenced by Hitler, who also promoted Christianity.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

I have never wanted or advocated anyone's loss of freedom. I believe in near absolute free speech (I am even against obscenity laws), ending the war on drugs, against religious expression og givernment property, against Intelligent Design being taught in the science class, and so on -- yet my religion is bashed as much as fundamentalists' take on the faith.

If people made it a point to NOT bash the religion, but bash the ideas within certaib=n certain individual branches of these religions, there would be no problem. Unfortunately, that would take discernment and thought.

Conversely, the worst slave pens in history have beeb created by ATHEISM. All marxism is atheism, so the millions stalin killed, the millions mao killed, the millions killed by marxists everywhere are not only atheists telling people how to live, but atheists as mass murderers. Does this mean all atheists are such? Of course not. However, if we all reason the same way, atheism is just as responsible for all these things as Christianity and Islam is responsible for the other.

So, IF Christians deserve it, atheists deserve it moreso. Remember I think this is a craparguement from BOTH sides.

Secondly, let us look at Darwinism (I agree with darwin on evolution -- however this is a discussion for the sake of a discussion). Aryanism and all master race theory is an outgrowth of darwinism. That was the primary outlook of the nazis.

Does this mean that all darwinists deserve bashing because they are nazis? Of course not. But if we argue as Imhotep and sabian are, they do deserve it.

Science and atheism can be abused as easily as religiion, and in the 20th century, it is science and athesism that have had the worse record.

The point really is bad people will use bad religion and bad philosophy and bad science to justify their bad actions. It has little to do with the good versions of each. It's the people, not the theism or atheism.

Once again, Imhotep and the others here  show that the real problem is the way they think, or don't think rather. Just sheer bigotry.

Remember I will repeat I believe in science and think MANY if not most atheists are terrific people -- this was merely an illustrationto show a flawed argument.

Adolf Hitler rejected darwinism and was a religious man.

 

Not really. He was a liar and said whatever he had to to get people behind him. His entire society and the entire movement of Aryanism has nothing to do with religion. It was darwinist to the core.

Note I said Aryanism and Master Race theory, and you talked about Hitler. that is what we call a straw man argument -- also a silly straw man argument based upon a man's lies to gain power.

However what religion did he practice and show how what he dais and practiced were religious positions. I'd be interested to se you try and do that.

Anti Semitism was the result of religious belief. Not darwinism.

I talked about Hitler because you were refering to the nazis. The belief of the nazis was primarily influenced by Hitler, who also promoted Christianity.

Master Race theory and Aryanism was the result of science (darwinism), not religion. There is nothing in the Bible about whites being superior to blacks.

I talked about master race theory and Aryanism because I was referring to master race theory and Aryanism. The beliefs of the Nazis predated Hitler. he was an opportunist who jumped on THEIR bandwagon.

Hitler also hated Christianity, but that has nothing to do specifically with this discussion. You are continuing to dress up your stt=raw man.

I know I shouldn't indulge gameloading with his hijack and his straw man, but here goes:

here is an interesting article which says similar things to what i said:

www.mediamonitors.net/harunyahya20.html

If I have time I will find many, many more -- since there are many, many more. I have read at least ten or fifteen books on the Nazis and the stew that produced them.

What books have YOU read, gameloading? Shall we compare reading lists again? Show me yours I will show you mine. Remember only books you have actually READ count.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

I have never wanted or advocated anyone's loss of freedom. I believe in near absolute free speech (I am even against obscenity laws), ending the war on drugs, against religious expression og givernment property, against Intelligent Design being taught in the science class, and so on -- yet my religion is bashed as much as fundamentalists' take on the faith.

If people made it a point to NOT bash the religion, but bash the ideas within certaib=n certain individual branches of these religions, there would be no problem. Unfortunately, that would take discernment and thought.

Conversely, the worst slave pens in history have beeb created by ATHEISM. All marxism is atheism, so the millions stalin killed, the millions mao killed, the millions killed by marxists everywhere are not only atheists telling people how to live, but atheists as mass murderers. Does this mean all atheists are such? Of course not. However, if we all reason the same way, atheism is just as responsible for all these things as Christianity and Islam is responsible for the other.

So, IF Christians deserve it, atheists deserve it moreso. Remember I think this is a craparguement from BOTH sides.

Secondly, let us look at Darwinism (I agree with darwin on evolution -- however this is a discussion for the sake of a discussion). Aryanism and all master race theory is an outgrowth of darwinism. That was the primary outlook of the nazis.

Does this mean that all darwinists deserve bashing because they are nazis? Of course not. But if we argue as Imhotep and sabian are, they do deserve it.

Science and atheism can be abused as easily as religiion, and in the 20th century, it is science and athesism that have had the worse record.

The point really is bad people will use bad religion and bad philosophy and bad science to justify their bad actions. It has little to do with the good versions of each. It's the people, not the theism or atheism.

Once again, Imhotep and the others here  show that the real problem is the way they think, or don't think rather. Just sheer bigotry.

Remember I will repeat I believe in science and think MANY if not most atheists are terrific people -- this was merely an illustrationto show a flawed argument.

Adolf Hitler rejected darwinism and was a religious man.

 

Not really. He was a liar and said whatever he had to to get people behind him. His entire society and the entire movement of Aryanism has nothing to do with religion. It was darwinist to the core.

Note I said Aryanism and Master Race theory, and you talked about Hitler. that is what we call a straw man argument -- also a silly straw man argument based upon a man's lies to gain power.

However what religion did he practice and show how what he dais and practiced were religious positions. I'd be interested to se you try and do that.

Anti Semitism was the result of religious belief. Not darwinism.

I talked about Hitler because you were refering to the nazis. The belief of the nazis was primarily influenced by Hitler, who also promoted Christianity.

 

Master Race theory and Aryanism was the result of science (darwinism), not religion. There is nothing in the Bible about whites being superior to blacks.

I talked about master race theory and Aryanism because I was referring to master race theory and Aryanism. The beliefs of the Nazis predated Hitler. he was an opportunist who jumped on THEIR bandwagon.

Hitler also hated Christianity, but that has nothing to do specifically with this discussion. You are continuing to dress up your stt=raw man.

Hitler has openly rejected darwinism and has openly embraced christianity, even mentioning it as one of the influences for his anti semitism belief.

These are just the simple facts.

To answer the OP: Religions get bashed, or criticized, because they deserve it.

Originally posted by Fishermage

I know I shouldn't indulge gameloading with his hijack and his straw man, but here goes:

 

here is an interesting article which says similar things to what i said:

www.mediamonitors.net/harunyahya20.html

 

If I have time I will find many, many more -- since there are many, many more. I have read at least ten or fifteen books on the Nazis and the stew that produced them.

What books have YOU read, gameloading? Shall we compare reading lists again? Show me yours I will show you mine. Remember only books you have actually READ count.

Very interesting article. Even more interesting is its author.

An Islamic Creationist who greatly opposes evolution. In others words, another creationists lying to try to connect darwinism to nazism, but such is the way with creationists.

On Hitler, most of thsi wiki article seems to agree with me, not gameloading.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_beliefs

Early on, Hitler expressed his opinion about God and religion as follows, "We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany."

Let's find that in the Bible.

Here's an interesting little tidbit discussing how his anti-semitism was NOT religious-based:

Hitler seems to have continued to reject antisemitism or anti-Judaism based on religious arguments like the deicide claim:
“ "There were very few Jews in Linz. In the course of centuries the Jews who lived there had become Europeanized in external appearance and were so much like other human beings that I even looked upon them as Germans. The reason why I did not then perceive the absurdity of such an illusion was that the only external mark which I recognized as distinguishing them from us was the practice of their strange religion. As I thought that they were persecuted on account of their Faith my aversion to hearing remarks against them grew almost into a feeling of abhorrence. I did not in the least suspect that there could be such a thing as a systematic anti-Semitism.

Then I came to Vienna.

Confused by the mass of impressions I received from the architectural surroundings and depressed by my own troubles, I did not at first distinguish between the different social strata of which the population of that mammoth city was composed. Although Vienna then had about two hundred thousand Jews among its population of two millions, I did not notice them. During the first weeks of my sojourn my eyes and my mind were unable to cope with the onrush of new ideas and values. Not until I gradually settled down to my surroundings, and the confused picture began to grow clearer, did I acquire a more discriminating view of my new world. And with that I came up against the Jewish problem.

I will not say that the manner in which I first became acquainted with it was particularly unpleasant for me. In the Jew I still saw only a man who was of a different religion, and therefore, on grounds of human tolerance, I was against the idea that he should be attacked because he had a different faith. And so I considered that the tone adopted by the anti-Semitic Press in Vienna was unworthy of the cultural traditions of a great people. The memory of certain events which happened in the Middle Ages came into my mind, and I felt that I should not like to see them repeated...."[14]

And here is a bit more:

Hitler was not a practicing Christian,[37] but believed in Arthur de Gobineau's ideas of struggle for survival between the different races, among which the "Aryan race" — guided by a pantheistic providence — was supposed to be the torchbearers of civilization. In Hitler's conception, Jews were enemies of all civilization, especially the Volk; this idea was rooted in an ideology based on Social Darwinism and antisemitism.[38][39] His understanding of Darwin was incomplete and based on the "survival of the fittest" in a social context, as popularly misunderstood at the time.[40][41]

In 1998 documents were released by Cornell University from the Nuremberg Trials,[42] that revealed Nazi plans to exterminate Christianity at the end of World War II. The documents cover the Nuremberg trials of leading Nazis and demonstrate the deliberate genocide of Jews during the Holocaust, in which some six million Jews were killed. One senior member of the U.S. prosecution team, General William Donovan, as part of his work on documenting Nazi war crimes, compiled large amounts of documentation that the Nazis also planned to systematically destroy Christianity.[43]

Again this is all debatable and there are scholars who disagree (I have read all positions in many real books gameloading, have you?), but there can be no doubt it was not "religion" as we understand it that motivated Hitler. His was a religious darwinism mized with an odd pantheism (maybe, he was never honest) but it wasn't religion as people usually mean the term.

Again I was speaking of Aryanism and Master race theory, not Hitler per se, but I felt Gameloading ignorance needed a bit of correction, even if he was just using a straw man.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

I have never wanted or advocated anyone's loss of freedom. I believe in near absolute free speech (I am even against obscenity laws), ending the war on drugs, against religious expression og givernment property, against Intelligent Design being taught in the science class, and so on -- yet my religion is bashed as much as fundamentalists' take on the faith.

If people made it a point to NOT bash the religion, but bash the ideas within certaib=n certain individual branches of these religions, there would be no problem. Unfortunately, that would take discernment and thought.

Conversely, the worst slave pens in history have beeb created by ATHEISM. All marxism is atheism, so the millions stalin killed, the millions mao killed, the millions killed by marxists everywhere are not only atheists telling people how to live, but atheists as mass murderers. Does this mean all atheists are such? Of course not. However, if we all reason the same way, atheism is just as responsible for all these things as Christianity and Islam is responsible for the other.

So, IF Christians deserve it, atheists deserve it moreso. Remember I think this is a craparguement from BOTH sides.

Secondly, let us look at Darwinism (I agree with darwin on evolution -- however this is a discussion for the sake of a discussion). Aryanism and all master race theory is an outgrowth of darwinism. That was the primary outlook of the nazis.

Does this mean that all darwinists deserve bashing because they are nazis? Of course not. But if we argue as Imhotep and sabian are, they do deserve it.

Science and atheism can be abused as easily as religiion, and in the 20th century, it is science and athesism that have had the worse record.

The point really is bad people will use bad religion and bad philosophy and bad science to justify their bad actions. It has little to do with the good versions of each. It's the people, not the theism or atheism.

Once again, Imhotep and the others here  show that the real problem is the way they think, or don't think rather. Just sheer bigotry.

Remember I will repeat I believe in science and think MANY if not most atheists are terrific people -- this was merely an illustrationto show a flawed argument.

Adolf Hitler rejected darwinism and was a religious man.

 

Not really. He was a liar and said whatever he had to to get people behind him. His entire society and the entire movement of Aryanism has nothing to do with religion. It was darwinist to the core.

Note I said Aryanism and Master Race theory, and you talked about Hitler. that is what we call a straw man argument -- also a silly straw man argument based upon a man's lies to gain power.

However what religion did he practice and show how what he dais and practiced were religious positions. I'd be interested to se you try and do that.

Anti Semitism was the result of religious belief. Not darwinism.

I talked about Hitler because you were refering to the nazis. The belief of the nazis was primarily influenced by Hitler, who also promoted Christianity.

 

Master Race theory and Aryanism was the result of science (darwinism), not religion. There is nothing in the Bible about whites being superior to blacks.

I talked about master race theory and Aryanism because I was referring to master race theory and Aryanism. The beliefs of the Nazis predated Hitler. he was an opportunist who jumped on THEIR bandwagon.

Hitler also hated Christianity, but that has nothing to do specifically with this discussion. You are continuing to dress up your stt=raw man.

Hitler has openly rejected darwinism and has openly embraced christianity, even mentioning it as one of the influences for his anti semitism belief.

These are just the simple facts.

To answer the OP: Religions get bashed, or criticized, because they deserve it.

Citations?

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2

Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter

Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children.

- Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7

What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8

In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11

Just a few of them.
 

Originally posted by Gameloading

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2

Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter

Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children.

- Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7

What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8

In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11

 

Just a few of them.
 

Okay, now what known religion says those things?

Remember gameloading we are still just arguing about your straw man argument, not what I actually said in my first statements. I shouldn't indulge you, but I feel all people deserve Christian Grace, even you. I am here to help you grow no matter how much you do not want to.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Hitler has openly rejected darwinism and has openly embraced christianity, even mentioning it as one of the influences for his anti semitism belief.

These are just the simple facts.

To answer the OP: Religions get bashed, or criticized, because they deserve it.

I don't have much interest in injecting myself into this discussion, however, your continued insistence on trying to link Hitler with Christianity because it fits your paradigm that Christianity is evil is over the top.

Nazism, which borrowed heavily from the occult, was a religion unto itself and Hitler was its messiah.  It tried to adopt certain aspects of Christianity in order to give it legitimacy or perhaps convince its followers that it was the truth, but that's as far as the similiarities go.

If Hitler was the Nazis messiah, how can that possibly be Christianity?  Christianity does not have two messiahs?

You need to get your simple facts straight before you start calling them facts.

Anti Semitism was very alive with the catholic church during the first half of the 20th century. It's not very surprising Hitler grew up in a catholic family.

Also, please don't bother me with your so called motivations. You motivations for coming here is only to attack people you don't agree with. You're not here to teach anyone nor are you here to learn.

The connection between Darwinism and Hitler has been a lie repeated by Creationists, which are well known for lying, as an attack on the theory of evolution. It's obvious Hitler felt much more connected with religion than he did with darwinism.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

Hitler has openly rejected darwinism and has openly embraced christianity, even mentioning it as one of the influences for his anti semitism belief.

These are just the simple facts.

To answer the OP: Religions get bashed, or criticized, because they deserve it.

 

I don't have much interest in injecting myself into this discussion, however, your continued insistence on trying to link Hitler with Christianity because it fits your paradigm that Christianity is evil is over the top.

Nazism, which borrowed heavily from the occult, was a religion unto itself and Hitler was its messiah.  It tried to adopt certain aspects of Christianity in order to give it legitimacy or perhaps convince its followers that it was the truth, but that's as far as the similiarities go.

If Hitler was the Nazis messiah, how can that possibly be Christianity?  Christianity does not have two messiahs?

You need to get your simple facts straight before you start calling them facts.

Good points. I didn't even want to get into the Thule geschelshaft (sp) and how it was as much an occult society as a political one.

Note however I didn't really talk about Hitler, and was talking about Aryanism and master race theory. He then responded with Hitler, a politician's words on subjects, not what i was actually talking about.

he has also ignored what I said about marxism and atheism. necause he know he loses that one no matter how he looks at things.

MY point is we should refrain from bashing each other for our religions or lack thereof, because NO one has a spotless record historically. however, people like Imhotep, Sabian and Gameoading insist on it.

Once again, it is simple bigotry coming from a couple of non-believers. I do not blame their non-belief, however, I blame THEM and their lack of thought on this matter, not the position of atheism.