Quit half-assing your games you make and start making them better.  Polish them more so that they dont look and feel like im constantly playing an alpha staged game.  Quit fluffing our sack with all your "we want this to be ready at launch" and it end up not being in.  Quit telling me your game is "groundbreaking, innovative, Making up "new" terms that mean nothing PVPVE (lol...you mean we can kill people while we pve...holy shit...any pvp game has this.  PVPVE = wow pvp server, UO, AoC pvp server...the list continues)." 

This crap is stupid...retarded...moronic...unoriginal condor shit that's coming from most companies today. 

Examples: (my opinion...I don't care if you don't like it)

Aion:  PVPVE = lol a turd is a turd no matter what you wrap it in...PVE with some PVP thrown in there is the same shit everyone else is offering...thanks for trying to sell it as something "new"

Darkfall:  Great idea but....have you tried figuring out keybindings and simple stuff in that game...its unreal...i mean...don't make it easy for me to get started or nothing.  Controls should be fairly intuitive to any gamer and they sure as hell aren't in that game.

Warhammer:  a bland...boring..."remake" of wow with a different IP.  Less polished.  If I wanted to play crap I would play with the shiniest of turds not the mediocre pop fart that squeezes out a rabbit turd

WoW:  F the community, F the repetitive gear grind, F the community, F being able to start raiding (if you wanted to) because you have to have every achievement and Tier 100 gear, F the community, thats about it I think...pvp is kinda fun sometimes

FFXI: ill edit in my opinion as soon as I find a group

Champions:  P2P+CS+$$$ Respecs = lol you're kidding right?  Boring...wait...ULTRA MEGA boring combat.  Ok...i charge up my batteries then I boom hit you with a mediocre dmg spell / power...charge up my batteries with this lame auto attack again and boom...rinse repeat...auto attack blows.  Hell I would have preferred they stuck to COH/COV style instead.  Decent char creation though. 

Fallen Earth:  Um...super buggy when I played it and unintuitive.  Just didn't feel all that well...char movement...rubber banding sometimes...just needs more polish and it would probably turn out decent.  Oh...no respec...nah I don't wanna get near max lvl and find out the skill I picked at half way through is a waste and will help me in any way what so ever.

COH/COV:  Fun but I hate the fact that there are no items...i mean I get it not having items b/c its a hero based game but really...waht is there to work for when all your instances are pretty much the same.

Lotro:  I like the way it looks...I hate the way it feels when I play it.  I get the itch to go back and play this a lot because the screen shots I see look stunning but every time I just cant get passed the damn feel of it.  Oh and lore master...I think that's what its called...just call it what it is...wizard and take the stupid raven crap away.  Feels like a cheap class.

I think thats it for now...I could easily keep going if I could just start remembering more games off the top of my head.  Give me a game that looks as good as AOC but plays / feels like WoW (polish and controls wise) and is as intuitive as WoW.

Can't wait for STO = I don't know if im going to like it but I think im going to at least get to max level or whatever the top is before I quit if I don't like it that is.

Feel free to flame me on my opinions...im sure you fanboys of whatever game it is I bashed are foaming at the mouth to interweb-destroy someone.

"unoriginal condor shit"

By the title of this topic I actualy was thinking someone would indeed have a original idea, shame this topic just wasn't original at all.

The title actualy screams its gonna be constructive, instead we got was was written by OP.......

Originally posted by Reklaw

By the title of this topic I actualy was thinking someone would indeed have a original idea, shame this topic just wasn't original at all.

The title actualy screams its gonna be constructive, instead we got was was written by OP.......

There are no original ideas left on teh intarweb.

Microsoft bought the last one back in '07.

As for new MMO's being released in a relatively unbuggy, playable state?

Now that's just UNPOSSIBLE.

bugs are understandable...shitty gameplay is not.

Originally posted by thafireball

Quit half-assing your games you make and start making them better.  Polish them more so that they dont look and feel like im constantly playing an alpha staged game.  Quit fluffing our sack with all your "we want this to be ready at launch" and it end up not being in.  Quit telling me your game is "groundbreaking, innovative, Making up "new" terms that mean nothing PVPVE (lol...you mean we can kill people while we pve...holy shit...any pvp game has this.  PVPVE = wow pvp server, UO, AoC pvp server...the list continues)." 

This crap is stupid...retarded...moronic...unoriginal condor shit that's coming from most companies today. 

 

Examples: (my opinion...I don't care if you don't like it)

Aion:  PVPVE = lol a turd is a turd no matter what you wrap it in...PVE with some PVP thrown in there is the same shit everyone else is offering...thanks for trying to sell it as something "new"

 

Darkfall:  Great idea but....have you tried figuring out keybindings and simple stuff in that game...its unreal...i mean...don't make it easy for me to get started or nothing.  Controls should be fairly intuitive to any gamer and they sure as hell aren't in that game.

 

Warhammer:  a bland...boring..."remake" of wow with a different IP.  Less polished.  If I wanted to play crap I would play with the shiniest of turds not the mediocre pop fart that squeezes out a rabbit turd

 

WoW:  F the community, F the repetitive gear grind, F the community, F being able to start raiding (if you wanted to) because you have to have every achievement and Tier 100 gear, F the community, thats about it I think...pvp is kinda fun sometimes

 

FFXI: ill edit in my opinion as soon as I find a group

 

Champions:  P2P+CS+$$$ Respecs = lol you're kidding right?  Boring...wait...ULTRA MEGA boring combat.  Ok...i charge up my batteries then I boom hit you with a mediocre dmg spell / power...charge up my batteries with this lame auto attack again and boom...rinse repeat...auto attack blows.  Hell I would have preferred they stuck to COH/COV style instead.  Decent char creation though. 

 

Fallen Earth:  Um...super buggy when I played it and unintuitive.  Just didn't feel all that well...char movement...rubber banding sometimes...just needs more polish and it would probably turn out decent.  Oh...no respec...nah I don't wanna get near max lvl and find out the skill I picked at half way through is a waste and will help me in any way what so ever.

 

COH/COV:  Fun but I hate the fact that there are no items...i mean I get it not having items b/c its a hero based game but really...waht is there to work for when all your instances are pretty much the same.

 

Lotro:  I like the way it looks...I hate the way it feels when I play it.  I get the itch to go back and play this a lot because the screen shots I see look stunning but every time I just cant get passed the damn feel of it.  Oh and lore master...I think that's what its called...just call it what it is...wizard and take the stupid raven crap away.  Feels like a cheap class.

 

I think thats it for now...I could easily keep going if I could just start remembering more games off the top of my head.  Give me a game that looks as good as AOC but plays / feels like WoW (polish and controls wise) and is as intuitive as WoW.

Can't wait for STO = I don't know if im going to like it but I think im going to at least get to max level or whatever the top is before I quit if I don't like it that is.

 

Feel free to flame me on my opinions...im sure you fanboys of whatever game it is I bashed are foaming at the mouth to interweb-destroy someone.

So your massive original idea is for someone to give you another Wow with better graphics? There was nothing original about Wow. All Blizzard did was to take many of the things people liked in other MMORPGs (quests, easy to use controls and UI, easy to understand classes, faction pvp, etc) and just blend them together with their Warcraft lore. (kinda of like what the Beatles did with their music, they listened to what people considered new smash hits and incorporated the aspects of those songs into their own music.) Considering the extreme success of both the Beatles and Wow this isn't a bad thing fame and financial wise, but pirating the ideas of other people is in no way innovative.

AND.. so you are going to buy STO  when you aren't sure you are going to like it, and then even if you don't you intend to keep playing it long enough to max level character? Ever think that you the MMO addicted player might be a titch responisible for these companies to continue to release unfinished, uninspired, crap? Just a thought.

I don't know what's funnier, the fact that you come off as an angsty, raging teen out to prove some point that we already know is true, or the fact that you threw Darkfall in there but only complained about controls.  The controls, albeit unique, didn't take long to get used to and were simple to understand if you spent ~5 minutes reading them.  Out of everything that is wrong with the game, you chose something so trivial.

That being said, I do agree with your general point, but your post is the very definition of hypocrisy as there is nothing original about it and it's hardly constructive.  But I'm sure all those devs of game companies both large and independant will read your anger filled post and magically change everything you complained about.

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by thafireball   Give me a game that looks as good as AOC but plays / feels like WoW (polish and controls wise) and is as intuitive as WoW.

Can't wait for STO = I don't know if im going to like it but I think im going to at least get to max level or whatever the top is before I quit if I don't like it that is.

 

 

 

So your massive original idea is for someone to give you another Wow with better graphics? There was nothing original about Wow. All Blizzard did was to take many of the things people liked in other MMORPGs (quests, easy to use controls and UI, easy to understand classes, faction pvp, etc) and just blend them together with their Warcraft lore. (kinda of like what the Beatles did with their music, they listened to what people considered new smash hits and incorporated the aspects of those songs into their own music.) Considering the extreme success of both the Beatles and Wow this isn't a bad thing fame and financial wise, but pirating the ideas of other people is in no way innovative.

AND.. so you are going to buy STO  when you aren't sure you are going to like it, and then even if you don't you intend to keep playing it long enough to max level character? Ever think that you the MMO addicted player might be a titch responisible for these companies to continue to release unfinished, uninspired, crap? Just a thought.

Maybe you should read the entire section about wow...i said nothing about wanting another wow with better graphics.  I said I wanted another game that plays / feels like wow (polish and controls wise) *not sure if that part through you for a loop but if it still is unclear to you then please let me know and i'll do my best to help you understand WTF is it im saying.

And yes...im going to buy STO and play to max level.  No I don't know if I will like it or not but anytime someone buys a new game or does anything new so to speak they will never know if they like it until they actually do it.  I'm also not an addicted MMO player...i havent play any mmo for longer than 2 months in the last 2 years.  

Originally posted by thafireball

bugs are understandable...shitty gameplay is not.

Not the amount that most just released MMOs have. They just use the beta to get players, not to fix bugs.
 

Some bugs is ok, no one is perfect but there is a limit and many new MMOs (Vanguard to take one) are unplayable at release.

Originally posted by Angorim

I don't know what's funnier, the fact that you come off as an angsty, raging teen out to prove some point that we already know is true, or the fact that you threw Darkfall in there but only complained about controls.  The controls, albeit unique, didn't take long to get used to and were simple to understand if you spent ~5 minutes reading them.  Out of everything that is wrong with the game, you chose something so trivial.

 

That being said, I do agree with your general point, but your post is the very definition of hypocrisy as there is nothing original about it and it's hardly constructive.  But I'm sure all those devs of game companies both large and independant will read your anger filled post and magically change everything you complained about.

I read the controls...spend damn near an hour setting them up...or trying to at least.  Shit what happened to walk...run...jump...attack 1...normal stuff like that but they have some crazy ass named stuff that your like...WTF does that mean.  So i never bound a lot of things because I had no CLUE as to what it meant.  Yeah I figured out the basics but then when I clicked the "OK" button it didn't save them...so I had to go back and redo it all over again and then click SAVE every time I switched tabs and then finally click OK.  Seems rather retarded to me.  Most games will save your keybinds if you click ok...there is no save button and if there was I wouldn't think you would have to use it after switching a tab.  Hell its been a while and I have uninstalled DFO or I would tell you more about it that is retarded...this post was done in all of 10 minutes or less.

I'm also not a raging teen...not that I have to prove anything to a random person in the internet but im 27, and no, I don't think any dev will read my post nor do I care because they will continue to copy the giant and just put a new skin on it until the giant comes out with its own new game and then we can see all the devs repeat the same cycle again.

Like you, I was proving a point.  I sense a lack of patience, it shows in your posts and it in your descriptions (example learning Darkfall's controls).

Now that I've gotten off my soap box and feel better about myself for insulting a random stranger over the internet, what exactly were you hoping to accomplish with this post?  Venting some frustration?  Or were you seriously attempting to be constructive?

I'm 100% on board with the last couple of years releases have been less than stellar.  Ok, they've been utter crap in a box.  However, I also feel that game companies are starting to get the picture and we're beginning to see a slight but noticable change in the industry.  Not just in up-coming games in development, but in player tolerance for quality products and their utter disgust in the lack of variety in the market.  A lot seem to be returning to older games, myself included (back in FFXI and seeing a lot of people return).

Who knows, maybe we'll see some brighter things in the future as people seem to be growing ever so tired of the WoW style gameplay.  Maybe Blizzard will surprise us all and come out with something completely ground-breaking and exciting in their new MMO.  I still believe they have SOME creativity left in there and it's not all "pump out mindless content + copy and paste other game ideas."

Originally posted by Angorim

Who knows, maybe we'll see some brighter things in the future as people seem to be growing ever so tired of the WoW style gameplay.  Maybe Blizzard will surprise us all and come out with something completely ground-breaking and exciting in their new MMO.  I still believe they have SOME creativity left in there and it's not all "pump out mindless content + copy and paste other game ideas."

Right now this is the only hope for people that want something more from an MMO than a SPG+chat, that is Blizzard making an MMO with a living world and engaging group interaction. I don't know the chances of this happening.

Originally posted by altairzq

 

Right now this is the only hope for people that want something more from an MMO than a SPG+chat, that is Blizzard making an MMO with a living world and engaging group interaction. I don't know the chances of this happening.

Not really.

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by altairzq

 

Right now this is the only hope for people that want something more from an MMO than a SPG+chat, that is Blizzard making an MMO with a living world and engaging group interaction. I don't know the chances of this happening.

 

Not really.

I'm not really putting much hope in their hidden MMO, but it can be safely assumed that it won't be identical to their current one.  If it is, that'll be rather laughable.

Originally posted by Angorim

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by altairzq

 

Right now this is the only hope for people that want something more from an MMO than a SPG+chat, that is Blizzard making an MMO with a living world and engaging group interaction. I don't know the chances of this happening.

 Not really.

I'm not really putting much hope in their hidden MMO, but it can be safely assumed that it won't be identical to their current one.  If it is, that'll be rather laughable.

Oh, I don't know about that.

Blizzard's new MMO is a couple of years away; by then WoW will be what .. 7 or 8 years old?

Perhaps Blizzard are pre-empting the decline of WoW by developing a next generation game whose intention is to "take over" from WoW and prevent its players slowly bleeding away to other games. If that's the case, it could easily be a very WoW-like game in many respects.

We shall have to wait and see, I suppose.

Originally posted by Angorim

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by altairzq

 

Right now this is the only hope for people that want something more from an MMO than a SPG+chat, that is Blizzard making an MMO with a living world and engaging group interaction. I don't know the chances of this happening.

 

Not really.

 

I'm not really putting much hope in their hidden MMO, but it can be safely assumed that it won't be identical to their current one.  If it is, that'll be rather laughable.

I'm betting they will be shrewd enough not do to this. Not because I feel they are incredibly clever but because I think they know better than to try to compete with their own product. However since Wow has been pretty much turned into "Carrot on a Stick Online" I guess we will just have to wait and see.

Originally posted by Angorim

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by altairzq

 

Right now this is the only hope for people that want something more from an MMO than a SPG+chat, that is Blizzard making an MMO with a living world and engaging group interaction. I don't know the chances of this happening.

 

Not really.

 

I'm not really putting much hope in their hidden MMO, but it can be safely assumed that it won't be identical to their current one.  If it is, that'll be rather laughable.

Could be. I meant that it's not the "only hope", not that Blizzard wouldn't be able to make an original game =P.

Originally posted by thafireball

bugs are understandable...shitty gameplay is not.

It's 2:30 AM where I'm at and this made me laugh.  So true...  Thx a lot:)

Originally posted by Ilvaldyr

Originally posted by Angorim

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by altairzq

 

Right now this is the only hope for people that want something more from an MMO than a SPG+chat, that is Blizzard making an MMO with a living world and engaging group interaction. I don't know the chances of this happening.

 Not really.

I'm not really putting much hope in their hidden MMO, but it can be safely assumed that it won't be identical to their current one.  If it is, that'll be rather laughable.

Oh, I don't know about that.

Blizzard's new MMO is a couple of years away; by then WoW will be what .. 7 or 8 years old?

Perhaps Blizzard are pre-empting the decline of WoW by developing a next generation game whose intention is to "take over" from WoW and prevent its players slowly bleeding away to other games. If that's the case, it could easily be a very WoW-like game in many respects.

We shall have to wait and see, I suppose.

I really hope that's not the case.  I could just as easily seeing that backfire, though.  A lot of WoW's success comes from the fact that it was already established as a well-known IP.  Another factor was that it attracted a lot non-gamers and people who had never played an MMO before to the genre (which is both good and bad).  If there's one thing that history has shown, these people only play WoW and nothing else.

Blizzard has already stated that this is an entirely new IP, with no previous backing.  That rules out one of the factors right out the gate.  The second one could prove fatal, even for them.   Then again, I'm merely speculating at this point.

Originally posted by Angorim

I really hope that's not the case.  I could just as easily seeing that backfire, though.  A lot of WoW's success comes from the fact that it was already established as a well-known IP.  Another factor was that it attracted a lot non-gamers and people who had never played an MMO before to the genre (which is both good and bad).  If there's one thing that history has shown, these people only play WoW and nothing else.

Blizzard has already stated that this is an entirely new IP, with no previous backing.  That rules out one of the factors right out the gate.  The second one could prove fatal, even for them.   Then again, I'm merely speculating at this point.

Yup, speculation is pretty much all we can do given that Blizzard hasn't released any real information on their new MMO. For all I know, it could be a sandbox with FFA PvP.

While it's undeniable that brand recognition and marketing brought many players to WoW, those two things don't explain Blizzard's success at player retention. I don't believe that these "new to the genre" players only play WoW and nothing else. Rather, I believe that it's the quality of the core gameplay WoW offers (and that no other MMO really does) that keeps them playing.