Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by LV426

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by Scubie67

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Sarah Palin running in 2012 would be a dream come true.  It'd be such an easy win for Obama.

 

I have conservative friends, and not one of them support Palin.  They say they're embarassed to even be associated with her.

 

Sorry, but if Obama keeps going down the path he is on, Daffy Duck will be able to beat him by 2012.  I don't know if there's ever been a president whose approval rating has been below 50% this early in his presidency.  And losing approval is a lot easier than gaining it.

 

Reagan, whom was at about 50% in approval this time around and dropped as low as beneath 40%.

Obama's actually polling pretty well considering the depths of this recession and the two wars we're in.

I agree about Palin running. I hope she does run. She'll finally have nothin' shielding her from criticism within her own party. Already there's been jabs thrown at her, but Palin in a Republican primary would be very interesting.

Reagan also didnt start off with a 70 % + approval rating (95% among African Americans) either..He has dropped quite abit when you take that in account
 

 

Reagan still dropped the same, since his approval rating rose as much as 68% after inauguration before dropping below 50%.

You can nitpick the digits, but the truth is the same, all presidents dip akin to what Obama has and some have dipped worse and still won reelection. It's normal.

Some may have won re-election, but this is far from normal.

 

Any particular reason why it isn't normal? Or is it just because you said so?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm

Go compare. Nothin' unusual about a President dipping their first year. Presidents like Clinton had already been lower and rebounded. More than likely, Obama's ratings will trend akin to Reagan's in that they'll probably not reverse upward steadily until the recession has ended for the mainstream.

Honestly, I dont think anyone can make that prediction... the news media usually holds sway on this, yet we live in a time when no one trusts them. To that end, this is a brave new and probably unpredictable world of polls.

You guys realize reagan rebounded after some nut job put a slug a few mm from his heart?  He was very close to death,  a few seconds and history could have been very different.

Do you really want to have to go through that again?

Originally posted by Pyrich

You guys realize reagan rebounded after some nut job put a slug a few mm from his heart?  He was very close to death,  a few seconds and history could have been very different.

 

Do you really want to have to go through that again?

Reagan getting shot is the reason he went up to 68% or so after a smaller start. Carter's recession still saw him at 40% before he rebounded.

I believe Obama's numbers will be similar. Health care passage, any other big successes might spike his approval temporarily, but until the job picture turns around I don't see him stablely trending upward.

He still has a lot of cushion room to drop more though before you'd call his approval rating decline unpredented. Clinton at this point had already seen 39%.

Obama's numbers are pretty hum drum given all that;s going on; a giant recession, two costly wars and perhaps the most partisan congress in history.

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by Pyrich

You guys realize reagan rebounded after some nut job put a slug a few mm from his heart?  He was very close to death,  a few seconds and history could have been very different.

 

Do you really want to have to go through that again?

 

Reagan getting shot is the reason he went up to 68% or so after a smaller start. Carter's recession still saw him at 40% before he rebounded.

I believe Obama's numbers will be similar. Health care passage, any other big successes might spike his approval temporarily, but until the job picture turns around I don't see him stablely trending upward.

He still has a lot of cushion room to drop more though before you'd call his approval rating decline unpredented. Clinton at this point had already seen 39%.

Obama's numbers are pretty hum drum given all that;s going on; a giant recession, two costly wars and perhaps the most partisan congress in history.

No doubt his numbers are good still.  I was only refering to reagan's circumstance.

As for the congress,  does it matter if its partisan?   A truely partisan house would be an executives dream in this scenario

Here is your typical Palin Basher.

BTW the sentence is said to be from Sarah Palin's new book.  However its actually from Obama's book, but no one told them that.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Sarah Palin running in 2012 would be a dream come true.  It'd be such an easy win for Obama.

 

I have conservative friends, and not one of them support Palin.  They say they're embarassed to even be associated with her.

 

Sorry, but if Obama keeps going down the path he is on, Daffy Duck will be able to beat him by 2012.  I don't know if there's ever been a president whose approval rating has been below 50% this early in his presidency.  And losing approval is a lot easier than gaining it.

I do. Ronald Reagan.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/11887/ronald-reagan-from-peoples-perspective-gallup-poll-review.aspx

"By the end of 1981, Reagan's job approval rating had drifted down to 49%.

Things got worse for Reagan in 1982. The public's view of the economy remained sour, and the president's ratings during 1982 stayed concomitantly low, in the 40% range, ending the year at 41%."

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Scubie67

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Sarah Palin running in 2012 would be a dream come true.  It'd be such an easy win for Obama.

 

I have conservative friends, and not one of them support Palin.  They say they're embarassed to even be associated with her.

 

Sorry, but if Obama keeps going down the path he is on, Daffy Duck will be able to beat him by 2012.  I don't know if there's ever been a president whose approval rating has been below 50% this early in his presidency.  And losing approval is a lot easier than gaining it.

 

The KSM trial if it is still held in NY could be a factor in this.If they somehow get off on some technicality there will be repercussions in near elections considering it is the Obama adminstration spearheading the trial to be held in NYC.

 

It was reported today that even though they have already confessed, the jihadists are planning on pleading not guilty.  Of all the missteps Obama has made thus far, this could turn out to be the biggest bone head move of all (at least, I hope he doesn't do anything worse).  I have to think that he's already starting to second guess this decision.  But at this point he can't reverse it and even if he could, it would make him look completely incompetent.

I am wondering if you had the same self-righteous indignation when we tried Ramzi Yousef in an American court for the first WTC bombing. I doubt it.

This is Obama Derangement Syndrome at its finest. You have convinced yourself (actually, Fox News has convinced you) that if Obama does it, it must be wrong. I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or what.

And no, before anyone asks, I do not plan on regularly visiting this board again. I popped onto MMORPG to find an old link, decided to cruise in here to see what pig-ignorant right-wing drivel I could find, and lo and behold, it didn't take long to find some juicy morsels of stupid.

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Sarah Palin running in 2012 would be a dream come true.  It'd be such an easy win for Obama.

 

I have conservative friends, and not one of them support Palin.  They say they're embarassed to even be associated with her.

 

Sorry, but if Obama keeps going down the path he is on, Daffy Duck will be able to beat him by 2012.  I don't know if there's ever been a president whose approval rating has been below 50% this early in his presidency.  And losing approval is a lot easier than gaining it.

I do. Ronald Reagan.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/11887/ronald-reagan-from-peoples-perspective-gallup-poll-review.aspx

"By the end of 1981, Reagan's job approval rating had drifted down to 49%.

Things got worse for Reagan in 1982. The public's view of the economy remained sour, and the president's ratings during 1982 stayed concomitantly low, in the 40% range, ending the year at 41%."

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

Well that's fine.  If Obama starts governing like Reagan then he'll get re-elected in a landslide.  If he keeps acting like Obama, then he's finished.  The only reason he got elected is because he was viewed as a novel politician when he was campaigning.  Now that's he president, it's clear that there's nothing new here.

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by Zindaihas
 

It was reported today that even though they have already confessed, the jihadists are planning on pleading not guilty.  Of all the missteps Obama has made thus far, this could turn out to be the biggest bone head move of all (at least, I hope he doesn't do anything worse).  I have to think that he's already starting to second guess this decision.  But at this point he can't reverse it and even if he could, it would make him look completely incompetent.

I am wondering if you had the same self-righteous indignation when we tried Ramzi Yousef in an American court for the first WTC bombing. I doubt it.

This is Obama Derangement Syndrome at its finest. You have convinced yourself (actually, Fox News has convinced you) that if Obama does it, it must be wrong. I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or what.

And no, before anyone asks, I do not plan on regularly visiting this board again. I popped onto MMORPG to find an old link, decided to cruise in here to see what pig-ignorant right-wing drivel I could find, and lo and behold, it didn't take long to find some juicy morsels of stupid.

You're probably watching MSNBC and therefore I doubt you know that the suspects have all but admitted that they are going to turn their trial into a circus.  I guess that's what happens when you extend due process to non-citizens who have murdered thousands of Americans.

Originally posted by Zindaihas 

I guess that's what happens when you extend due process to non-citizens who have murdered thousands of Americans.

Either that, or the Justice Department's decision based on constitutional mandates (Article III, Section 2 and the Sixth Amendment).

I love how choice some people are when it comes to respecting the Constitution. Why should you be taken serious?

Originally posted by Netzoko

www.youtube.com/watch

 

Further proof that a huge sum of Americans simply regurgitate whatever Fox news quacks tell them without actually understanding or researching anything themselves. Why are so many people this stupid? If Glenn Beck is on TV and says something, it has to be facts right?

Rupert Murdoch is destroying intellectualism... look at the mass of ignorant zombies hes created.

Here is your typical Obama supporters. Dolla' Bills Yo!

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by Zindaihas
 

It was reported today that even though they have already confessed, the jihadists are planning on pleading not guilty.  Of all the missteps Obama has made thus far, this could turn out to be the biggest bone head move of all (at least, I hope he doesn't do anything worse).  I have to think that he's already starting to second guess this decision.  But at this point he can't reverse it and even if he could, it would make him look completely incompetent.

I am wondering if you had the same self-righteous indignation when we tried Ramzi Yousef in an American court for the first WTC bombing. I doubt it.

This is Obama Derangement Syndrome at its finest. You have convinced yourself (actually, Fox News has convinced you) that if Obama does it, it must be wrong. I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or what.

And no, before anyone asks, I do not plan on regularly visiting this board again. I popped onto MMORPG to find an old link, decided to cruise in here to see what pig-ignorant right-wing drivel I could find, and lo and behold, it didn't take long to find some juicy morsels of stupid.

 

You're probably watching MSNBC and therefore I doubt you know that the suspects have all but admitted that they are going to turn their trial into a circus.  I guess that's what happens when you extend due process to non-citizens who have murdered thousands of Americans.

I am wondering if you had the same self-righteous indignation when we tried Ramzi Yousef in an American court for the first WTC bombing. I doubt it.

Welcome back, Kobieeeeeee! Missed ya, you old douche :)

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by Zindaihas
 

It was reported today that even though they have already confessed, the jihadists are planning on pleading not guilty.  Of all the missteps Obama has made thus far, this could turn out to be the biggest bone head move of all (at least, I hope he doesn't do anything worse).  I have to think that he's already starting to second guess this decision.  But at this point he can't reverse it and even if he could, it would make him look completely incompetent.

I am wondering if you had the same self-righteous indignation when we tried Ramzi Yousef in an American court for the first WTC bombing. I doubt it.

This is Obama Derangement Syndrome at its finest. You have convinced yourself (actually, Fox News has convinced you) that if Obama does it, it must be wrong. I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or what.

And no, before anyone asks, I do not plan on regularly visiting this board again. I popped onto MMORPG to find an old link, decided to cruise in here to see what pig-ignorant right-wing drivel I could find, and lo and behold, it didn't take long to find some juicy morsels of stupid.

You're probably watching MSNBC and therefore I doubt you know that the suspects have all but admitted that they are going to turn their trial into a circus.  I guess that's what happens when you extend due process to non-citizens who have murdered thousands of Americans.

I am wondering if you had the same self-righteous indignation when we tried Ramzi Yousef in an American court for the first WTC bombing. I doubt it.

I honestly didn't follow the trial of Yousef all that closely back then, so I have no answer to what my reaction was.  But I do remember being upset that Clinton was treating terrorism as a law enforcement issue and not as acts of war.  The Khobar Tower bombing perhaps didn't call for an all out attack against Al Qaida, but Clinton certainly could have justified a stronger response to the embassy bombings in Africa in '98, which are considered American soil.

I'm wondering why you consider wanting war criminals to be tried in a military court to be self-rigtheous indignation.  I guess a majority of Americans are expressing sefl-righteous indignation considering most want them tried there.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Sarah Palin running in 2012 would be a dream come true.  It'd be such an easy win for Obama.

 

I have conservative friends, and not one of them support Palin.  They say they're embarassed to even be associated with her.

 

Sorry, but if Obama keeps going down the path he is on, Daffy Duck will be able to beat him by 2012.  I don't know if there's ever been a president whose approval rating has been below 50% this early in his presidency.  And losing approval is a lot easier than gaining it.

 

 

I'm willing to put up $1,000 on Obama beating Palin if she runs in 2012.

 

Any takers?

Daffy Duck would beat Palin too.

You say that like theres no one who just spits back out whatever they hear on CNN or MSNBC.

Originally posted by Netzoko

www.youtube.com/watch

 

Further proof that a huge sum of Americans simply regurgitate whatever Fox news quacks tell them without actually understanding or researching anything themselves. Why are so many people this stupid? If Glenn Beck is on TV and says something, it has to be facts right?

Rupert Murdoch is destroying intellectualism... look at the mass of ignorant zombies hes created.

Heres a bunch of Obama supporters who probably gets their news from MSNBC or the huffintonpost.

www.youtube.com/watch

 my personal favorite.

www.youtube.com/watch

OP you asked why are people this stupid?   Amazing isn't it.    LOL!  These people should not be allowed to even vote!  We wonder why our country is so screwed up...there iis your answer right there.  Fuck we're in trouble.  :(

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Netzoko

www.youtube.com/watch

 

Further proof that a huge sum of Americans simply regurgitate whatever Fox news quacks tell them without actually understanding or researching anything themselves. Why are so many people this stupid? If Glenn Beck is on TV and says something, it has to be facts right?

Rupert Murdoch is destroying intellectualism... look at the mass of ignorant zombies hes created.

Here is your typical Obama supporters. Dolla' Bills Yo!

Stupidity walks on both sides of the aisle, unfortunately.

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Netzoko

www.youtube.com/watch

 

Further proof that a huge sum of Americans simply regurgitate whatever Fox news quacks tell them without actually understanding or researching anything themselves. Why are so many people this stupid? If Glenn Beck is on TV and says something, it has to be facts right?

Rupert Murdoch is destroying intellectualism... look at the mass of ignorant zombies hes created.

Heres a bunch of Obama supporters who probably gets their news from MSNBC or the huffintonpost.

www.youtube.com/watch

 my personal favorite.

www.youtube.com/watch

 

 I wonder if you were to talk to some of those people today if they would still be happy with their descision.

Being a Palin supporter has got me more ass in the past 2 years than I got in my first 50! Haulin the hammer into a Palin rally is like handing out roofies at a rave. It's a sure thing! Try it some time. Just stick to the ones with "drill baby drill" signs and avoid the ones with "anti-abortion" signs. You'll thank me later!