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Raltar
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30 second into that video it says this: "Respurceful Captains will also be able to recognize and utilize the different classes of starships. Cruisers as tanks, science vessles as support and escorts for lighting strikes." And now we know. In the mind of a Cryptic developer all MMOs must follow the trinity of TANK, SPELLCASTER, DPS. An original or flexable combat system is obviously beyond their skills. Sad... just sad. Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. ~Mark Twain |
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11/19/09 6:13:27 PM#2
This actually makes more sense than the standard melee combat in an mmo... It's rather simplified, but it is sort of how naval combat works. I understand all those who want to whine and cry about "clones", but if something works, and it makes sense, just let it go.
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11/19/09 6:19:34 PM#3
Oh, so that type of ship can TANK better, that one can dps better.. ya.. soooo.. I see where alot will be bothered by that as not being "original" or whatnot, but even if classless and/or skill based progression games somewhere to some extent you're going to end up with a character doing thinks like "tanking" or focusing on raw dmg, or mixing. I gathered when i watched that video that yes those are the strengthes of those types of vessels, but from my experience with a bit of player skill, the right (in this games case) mods and equipment you can still setup ur own ship to multi task so u arent just 1 basic "tank" or "support" type. *shrug* Even if its not original and flowing with brand new concepts it also makes me think of "if its not broke, dont fix it" Then again when i play any mmo anything i decide to play in game i dont even look at whether it "tanks good" or etc. If it has appealing features and abilities im all for playing it. Play your games to have fun :) Waiting For: FF14,Guild Wars2
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Raltar
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Originally posted by madeux
Yeah... I guess I just totally forgot about all those Science ships they had back in WWII that ran around using their deflector dish to repair the other ships... Oh wait... Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. ~Mark Twain |
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11/19/09 6:22:56 PM#5
Originally posted by Raltar
I agree. This just smells like an expansion for Champions Online, where all the characters are suddenly space wessels. It sucks before it's even left the shipyard. Why are there so many cutesie, fantasy, childish MMO's. Give me blood, gore and a long lasting challenge. I don't need my hand being held along the way. Thanks. |
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11/19/09 6:23:30 PM#6
Originally posted by Raltar
Yeah... I guess I just totally forgot about all those Science ships they had back in WWII that ran around using their deflector dish to repair the other ships... Oh wait...
Hence the qualifier "sort of." This forum is a troll connoisseur's wet dream. |
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11/19/09 6:27:04 PM#7
Originally posted by nAAtimus
Hence the qualifier "sort of." Thanks for clarifying :)
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Raltar
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Originally posted by nAAtimus Hence the qualifier "sort of."
Yeah... because they "sort of" ran around using their deflector dish to repair the other ships... Oh wait... Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. ~Mark Twain |
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11/19/09 6:28:37 PM#9
I hate to be the one to say this first, but logistically speaking, it is true. There is no way around the analogy. Even in real naval combat, or any combat force for that matter, or business merger.. there are the damage dealers, buffing and support, and tanks of sorts, it is a simple system to look at combat from, and no real way to get away from. That is why the science ships always need help, lol. squshie's LOL
So if anyone has a better system, speak up.
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11/19/09 6:29:11 PM#10
Originally posted by Raltar Hence the qualifier "sort of."
Yeah... because they "sort of" ran around using their deflector dish to repair the other ships... Oh wait... Yeah, because there aren't any different kind of naval craft that have different uses... Oh wait... Enjoy the strawman. This forum is a troll connoisseur's wet dream. |
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Raltar
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Originally posted by nAAtimus
Yes, exactly. Which is why whenever Voyager got into a battle, they called the Enterprise to come tank for them... Oh wait... Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. ~Mark Twain |
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11/19/09 6:33:50 PM#12
Originally posted by Raltar
Yes, exactly. Which is why whenever Voyager got into a battle, they called the Enterprise to come tank for them... Oh wait...
Hence the comparison to naval craft. This forum is a troll connoisseur's wet dream. |
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11/19/09 6:35:29 PM#13
Originally posted by Raltar
Yes, exactly. Which is why whenever Voyager got into a battle, they called the Enterprise to come tank for them... Oh wait...
There was a spot in the vid of science ship soloing, ... no how can that be possible...
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Raltar
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Originally posted by nAAtimus Hence the comparison to naval craft.
Hence the comparison to peanut butter... I guess. Because things which are irrelevant to the conversation should always be comapred to the subject at hand. Star Trek isn't like normal Naval Combat. The suggestion that it should be is the only Straw Man here. Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. ~Mark Twain |
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11/19/09 6:38:25 PM#15
Originally posted by Raltar Hence the comparison to naval craft.
Hence the comparison to peanut butter... I guess. Because things which are irrelevant to the conversation should always be comapred to the subject at hand. Star Trek isn't like normal Naval Combat. The suggestion that it should be is the only Straw Man here.
Right, because ships in combat have nothing to do with ships in combat.
It's not like the Us regularly names it's space vessels after naval vessels... oh, wait, they actually do. Just because you are not able to make the connection, or refuse to admit the connection, does not mean the connection doesn't exist.
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11/19/09 6:38:31 PM#16
Originally posted by Raltar Hence the comparison to naval craft.
Hence the comparison to peanut butter... I guess. Because things which are irrelevant to the conversation should always be comapred to the subject at hand. Star Trek isn't like normal Naval Combat. The suggestion that it should be is the only Straw Man here. quit trolling and go crawl back to whatever primitive structure you came out of. sounds to me you just want to bash the game for no reason at all. you havent played it and dont know what its going to play like. assumption is the mother of all killers. good luck to you. |
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11/19/09 6:41:11 PM#17
Originally posted by Raltar Hence the comparison to naval craft.
Hence the comparison to peanut butter... I guess. Because things which are irrelevant to the conversation should always be comapred to the subject at hand. Star Trek isn't like normal Naval Combat. The suggestion that it should be is the only Straw Man here.
In normal naval combat, there is electromic warfare, or science ships, and fast attack ships, like subs, that cannot take a hit, etc, this can go on for ever... And so in ST there are the same, Logistics in large fights.
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Raltar
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Originally posted by kahulbane
So by that logic, I guess Voyager was only capable of "electronic warfare" since its a science ship? I guess someone should tell CBS to go back and erase all those episodes of Voyager where they were fighting toe-to-toe with larger ships. Not to mention all those episodes where the Defiant got damaged, since they are just like a sub and "cannot take a hit" according to the rules of naval combat. Star Trek isn't like naval combat! Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. ~Mark Twain |
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11/19/09 6:46:55 PM#19
Actually, people are blowing this way out of proportion. Firstly, realistic naval combat does use things like "science" vessels. Radar jamming, electronic warfare, acoustic hunters, mine laying ships, resupply ships, need I go on? Secondly, while it is reasonable to think of the Cruiser/Science/Escort as Tank/Support/DPS, it's not quite as black and white as that. Every ship should be able to solo. Every ship will have mostly the same components with things like weapons and defenses and such. Where it differs is how you decide to load it out and what bonuses your type of ship gives you. There's nothing that says you couldn't be a Science officer flying an Escort with a really good tractor beam, or maybe you fly a science vessel but you've set up massive bonuses to your shields so people can't disable you as easily. Maybe you're a cruiser and you've loaded outself out with a kickass Tactical Bridge Officer and some really devestating weaponry. The cruiser just has more crew/warp core which makes it easier to tank with, and science vessels have massive bonuses to their deflectors and tractor beams and whatnot so they are slightly more powerful, and the escort is fast/maneuverable with good weaponry and the ability to equip cannons which makes it easier to load up with weaponry. To think each ship class can only fill one role is rather narrow-minded. Also you have to remember that it's not a one-dimensional being you're playing here. You're customizing your personal skills/equipment, but also the skills/equipment of your bridge officers, not to mention the loadout of your ship. The amount of choice you have in these matters is quite broad comparitively. "Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000 |
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11/19/09 6:49:30 PM#20
Originally posted by Raltar
So by that logic, I guess Voyager was only capable of "electronic warfare" since its a science ship? I guess someone should tell CBS to go back and erase all those episodes of Voyager where they were fighting toe-to-toe with larger ships. Not to mention all those episodes where the Defiant got damaged, since they are just like a sub and "cannot take a hit" according to the rules of naval combat. Star Trek isn't like naval combat!
You're right, it's sort of like naval combat. This forum is a troll connoisseur's wet dream. |
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