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  Sturmrabe

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11/21/09 7:42:03 PM#121
Originally posted by PizziJQ

FFXI deserves to be on this list and AC.... Darkfall realy?


 

FFxi is not really worthy of more than a footnote, but Dorkfail isn't much more than a footnote either...


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  Najwalaylah

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11/21/09 11:33:05 PM#122
Originally posted by Sturmrabe

 How could you not mention Shadowbane? A persistent world, the FIRST real PvP MMO, and NO MMO SINCE has ever even touched what it was like to build a city in SB... for shame! 

I must quote this for truth. Shadowbane (and its dedicated players) suffered hard to become what it was, and Darkfall will be lucky to endure the same or worse degringolade that it almost surely has coming-- or does it? -- much less to make, as Shadowbane did, an eventual comeback of sorts from that before dying out years later.

When I recall games I've played, it's content that was largely player-created from both SWG and Shadowbane that grips my memory in the same place as a favourite book (the kind I'd reread every few years) might. They must have been doing something right for a while, regardless of anything done wrong (and we all know there was plenty of that in each case).

I also remember the PvP as fun, whereas I don't remember WoW PvP at all, though I'm told I did some. (A great straight line if anyone wants to speculate on how someone could forget combat they were at the keyboard for. You're welcome.)

Judging by the lower standard it makes sense to use in rating "List articles", this was not bad but owes much to its capability of being argued with for the interest shown in these commentaries, I would guess. For a much better article on the same subject, it would serve as a first draft.

 

 

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  User Deleted
11/22/09 1:22:04 AM#123
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by PizziJQ

FFXI deserves to be on this list and AC.... Darkfall realy?


 

Yes, Darkfall.

 

Well, I gusse this isent "Top 10 MMOs" Soo I gusse it should go down in history as the most bug ridden P2P out there!

  Suomalainen1

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11/22/09 1:35:06 AM#124

Argh, Runescape and LOTRO are missing. Without Runescape none of these MMORPG's would exist. LOTRO has done something very remarkable, it passed WoW In popularity, which should make it number 1 in the list.

  User Deleted
11/22/09 1:41:31 AM#125
Originally posted by Suomalainen1

Argh, Runescape and LOTRO are missing. Without Runescape none of these MMORPG's would exist. LOTRO has done something very remarkable, it passed WoW In popularity, which should make it number 1 in the list.

No Lotro dident? WoW still has triple the subs and Lotro Online or WoW ... More people know about WoW

  Suomalainen1

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11/22/09 1:47:43 AM#126
Originally posted by PizziJQ
Originally posted by Suomalainen1

Argh, Runescape and LOTRO are missing. Without Runescape none of these MMORPG's would exist. LOTRO has done something very remarkable, it passed WoW In popularity, which should make it number 1 in the list.

No Lotro dident? WoW still has triple the subs and Lotro Online or WoW ... More people know about WoW


 

Much much more people know more about LOTR than WoW, which makes it also remarkable, because it has succeeded in both pleasing the fans of LOTR and the fans of MMORPG's. And the subs don't tell the whole story, it's the popularity. You can't say WoW is the most popular MMORPG because people just don't talk about it nowadays. But when LOTRO came out everyone forgot WoW and played LOTRO.

  shabazzster

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11/22/09 2:00:18 AM#127

 holy s... i'll just reply and say that the comments you engendered imply that this was a good post.

K

  User Deleted
11/22/09 2:53:58 AM#128
Originally posted by Suomalainen1
Originally posted by PizziJQ
Originally posted by Suomalainen1

Argh, Runescape and LOTRO are missing. Without Runescape none of these MMORPG's would exist. LOTRO has done something very remarkable, it passed WoW In popularity, which should make it number 1 in the list.

No Lotro dident? WoW still has triple the subs and Lotro Online or WoW ... More people know about WoW


 

Much much more people know more about LOTR than WoW, which makes it also remarkable, because it has succeeded in both pleasing the fans of LOTR and the fans of MMORPG's. And the subs don't tell the whole story, it's the popularity. You can't say WoW is the most popular MMORPG because people just don't talk about it nowadays. But when LOTRO came out everyone forgot WoW and played LOTRO.

 

Teehee thats funny!

  Busse

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11/22/09 6:56:11 AM#129

I'm trying to translate this article in russian, and there is one moment where i'm really stuck.

the elements of the original IP that made the game

The IP alone, a popular video game franchise that was at the height of its popularity

What is IP? Intellectual Property? Then i don't understand how it can be strong:  "that a strong IP alone is not enough". If someone could explain it to me, i'd really appreciate it.

  JYCowboy

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11/23/09 2:42:59 AM#130
Originally posted by Busse

I'm trying to translate this article in russian, and there is one moment where i'm really stuck.

the elements of the original IP that made the game

The IP alone, a popular video game franchise that was at the height of its popularity

What is IP? Intellectual Property? Then i don't understand how it can be strong:  "that a strong IP alone is not enough". If someone could explain it to me, i'd really appreciate it.


 

Yes  IP = Intellectual Property.  Star Wars is considered a strong IP because it has generated a great deal of popularity, money and lore.  It is much more successful and broader known than, in example, Wing Commander.

  User Deleted
11/23/09 3:25:41 AM#131
Originally posted by ctaylor99

I agree with most of them, but DFO? Really?  What about DAOC or  GW?

 

Strongly agree, if any game should be discussed on the aspect of PvP, DAoC is the one.  DF is a total loser when compared to DAoC.

  User Deleted
11/23/09 3:58:55 AM#132
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by streea

Darkfall made it on the list because... people thought it was vaporware? That's it?

I agree with the list as a whole (though I would've included some in the list and not others, they all have reasons to be in a top 10 list), and that even Darkfall may have its place here, but not for the one lame reason given. What about it's unusual "limited account releases to take it easy on the servers" method of trying to give original players a good launch? What about all of the bugs and issues that future games should learn not to make? I'm sure that others who have followed the game closer could come up with a few more big hitters other than, "Wow, no one expected THAT ONE!"


 

This seemed more like a brainfart that spilled out onto your keyboard than any kind of real post.

I'm sure everyone would modify this list and it's contents to some degree. But I thought it was a good read, and I certainly enjoyed it.

NO.  I think  Streea has a point.

The reason used by the OP to include DF does not seem to make much sense to me.  A game that after 8 years of misleading ad on their web, delivers a totally subpar product, should not really be placed on a list, where games like DAoC, GW and the likes are excluded.  In terms of contribution, DF pales.

Ultimately, the choice of inclusion in this list belongs to the OP.  On the other hand, the final judgment of a game is in the hands of buyers.

  Kyleran

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11/23/09 4:25:51 PM#133

First off, this wasn't a top 10 list, just a list of MMO's and their place in history.

As such, some worthy titles were left off such as FFXI or LotRO, and some included that of course people disagree with.

Love it or hate it, DF is a rare game in that it probably had the longest development time of any released game, should have never actually released due to the small size of its Indy team, and still operates (even if not very well in some people's eyes) which makes it notable compared to other titles.

From an MMORPG.com perspective (of which John is an employee) few games generated more traffic that DF hence perhaps its inclusion in the list.

DAOC, sure, a great game that could have been on the list, and Shadowbane and so many others. 

Enjoy the article for what it is, and not what it should be.

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  stormpuma21

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11/24/09 1:44:20 AM#134
Originally posted by Kyleran

First off, this wasn't a top 10 list, just a list of MMO's and their place in history.

As such, some worthy titles were left off such as FFXI or LotRO, and some included that of course people disagree with.

Love it or hate it, DF is a rare game in that it probably had the longest development time of any released game, should have never actually released due to the small size of its Indy team, and still operates (even if not very well in some people's eyes) which makes it notable compared to other titles.

From an MMORPG.com perspective (of which John is an employee) few games generated more traffic that DF hence perhaps its inclusion in the list.

DAOC, sure, a great game that could have been on the list, and Shadowbane and so many others. 

Enjoy the article for what it is, and not what it should be.

dont waste your breath. I've already tried to  point out that this wasnt a top 10 list. But post after post people come in by the mindless droves and OMG you left out "insert non impactual mmo"

  Sweede

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11/24/09 2:57:27 PM#135

Would still say Anarchy online deserves to be here, the game still feels fresh when you consider how much freedom you have in improving you characters, no game quite like it today even after 8 years, one of the 2 games i still play the second being AoC :)

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  Suraknar

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11/26/09 6:29:28 PM#136
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

I already commented on how I felt AC should be on that list (good to see there were more who agreed) but overall a historic list of MMOs should, in essence, be boring. This is because there are standard choices that should be on every list.

 

UO - Caused the genre to explode, has lasted over a decade

 

EQ - Made the class system main stream, has lasted over a decade

 

AC- 3D with a seamless main world, level +skill tree combination, monthly updates and a changing world, has lasted over a decade

 

WoW - most successful ever

 

DAoC - Realm vs Realm

 

SWG - Used a mainstream IP and turned it into an online world, showed the world what NOT to do once a game is launched

 

That right there is 6 standards for historic lists, so when doing a top ten list there isn't much room for surprise. Except of course when you don't use them and then all the posts are of confusion.

 

I will agree with this list better of contributions better.

All the rest were there to fill in the numbers.

And just a small note, UO's peak was about 300k Subs...which is not far from those of EQ's which came several years later.

UO is indeed the one that caused the genre to explore, and while it Graphics are 2D, it was the pioneer of many systems that people tend to attribute to other games (Seamless world, proto-instancing etc), it is truly the Grand father of MMO's paving the way to today in many respects.

I somehow think that the Author if he did play UO, must have been like 15-17 years old at the time. UO is perceived differently as  game depending how old was one when they played it (and while this applies to most games it is less apparent in Themepark games).

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  User Deleted
11/26/09 8:02:37 PM#137

A nice read. Some fond memories. ^^

  IAMTHEGAME

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12/05/09 4:56:48 PM#138

I haven't been around these parts in a while,

Stopped in to check a couple things and this list, if thats what you want to call it, is just not even credible in anyway,

without ASHERONS CALL.

It makes me sick, while also reminding me why I no longer play mmorpgs.  I started with AC and have played/tryed 12 mmorpgs since then and although this list is suppost to be comprised on innovation,

NONE of these games can/could/will ever even be able to hold ASHERONS CALL'S Jock.

 

I came outta retirement, just to state just how ludacris it is to act like AC doesn't even exist, if there was any real way to track a games actual followers, not just subscriptions, but true die hard followers, AC would end up embarassing the others.

How Turbine has not capitalized on a third, or even a modern remake of the first AC blows my mind.

And even futher than that, how OTHER developers have not frequented the masses of forums out there and caught on to what the players really want based on the one single game just makes me wanna throw in the towel.

Who knows maybe AC1 spoiled me beyond repair or

maybe I just have finally outgrown all this.

 

Thats all from me.

Back to retirement.

Best Regards:           The Game.

 

P.S.  As another post stated, this is clearly a "New School" article.

And not knowing the author of this list, all I can think of to justify this disjustice is he isn't even 35 years old.

So much for us old timers, I guess.

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  jcmax17

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12/15/09 11:34:49 PM#139

 yea FFXI def should have been on this list.....it is still a special game

  Gameloading

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12/16/09 1:32:12 PM#140
Originally posted by Kyleran

First off, this wasn't a top 10 list, just a list of MMO's and their place in history.

As such, some worthy titles were left off such as FFXI or LotRO, and some included that of course people disagree with.

Love it or hate it, DF is a rare game in that it probably had the longest development time of any released game, should have never actually released due to the small size of its Indy team, and still operates (even if not very well in some people's eyes) which makes it notable compared to other titles.

From an MMORPG.com perspective (of which John is an employee) few games generated more traffic that DF hence perhaps its inclusion in the list.

DAOC, sure, a great game that could have been on the list, and Shadowbane and so many others. 

Enjoy the article for what it is, and not what it should be.

Darkfall isn't a rare game at all. Over the past few years we had lots of small indie developers release mediocre games which came and went. that Darkfall is still running isn't saying much considering it has only been out for a few months.

The reason it was added to the list is simply because Darkfall gets a lot of traffic, not because it is in any way noteworthy.

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