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  Kniknax

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11/19/09 5:34:22 AM#61
Originally posted by dalevi1 

UO, of course is a staple, no I never played the game, and I am glad I didn't, but it seems every 2009 account on MMO is a "pre-trammel" player, whatever that means.
Trammel was a copy of the original world, "Felucca", and was a "no-pk" zone. Pre-Trammel there was just Felucca, where full free for all PVP with full looting was allowed. Although Trammel was an exact copy of Felucca, you could portal between the two, and each had their own House space (so you could "plant" a house in  one zone and it wouldnt appear in the other).  After the introduction of the non-pvp zone, players would "trick" people into Felucca, using disguised portals, and then "mug" them on the other side.  

"When people don't know much about something, they tend to fill in the blanks the way they want them to be filled in. They are almost always disappointed." - Will Wright

  SirGrady

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11/19/09 5:38:20 AM#62

Why is lord of the ring so underestimated ?

 

Grady

  Chtuga

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11/19/09 6:01:00 AM#63
Originally posted by SirGrady

Why is lord of the ring so underestimated ?

 

Grady

 

 
Not underestimated, but I dont see that it has had any impact on history of mmorpg's.

It had quite a bit of subscribers, still have some.

Game was decent I think (never played), but it has not changed history in any way as I know or see it.

If you removed Lotr online from history, history would in general still play out as it has now.

While, if you didnt have UO (Possibly Meridian59 as well, forgot to mention that earlier) we would never see EQ, and without EQ we probably would never have seen WoW.

These games shaped the history significantly, and each of these games made the next game possible.

  GMny

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11/19/09 6:25:44 AM#64

Darkfall has a place in history as being the biggest POS to launch since Dark and Light..

Whoever plays it and actually enjoys it (if that's even possible) better enjoy it while it lasts because it's a total Ghost town already for a MMO in terms of population.. it will be dead and cancelled by this time next year..

  Neverblade

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11/19/09 6:29:24 AM#65

So how many big developers are lining your pockets, Mr. Wood?  I would beg to differ on many of your suggestions, who really did nothing incredible but just continued to clone ideas from other sources. 

DDO's item shop is anything but innovative.  Asian markets have shown this to be an acceptable model for YEARS now.  If anything it should be credited as the only game to actually bring d20 rules to the table, not for it's marketing strategy.  If you wanted to find the father of F2P, you should have looked to Tibia, a little isometric 2D gem from some company in Germany I think, Cipsoft.  I remember playing that one when there were a whopping 89 people online on one server, now they've grown to EVE proportions all through offering free content.  The best part?  THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR ABOUT 13 YEARS NOW.

However if you insist on placing games by monetary success, why not look at the players and their success?  Second Life (a game I hate, but yes, innovative) proved that people could make serious amounts of money in these virtual worlds, effectively blurring the line between real and online "lives".  Pretty crazy, and the sim game you choose to mention is SimsOnline?

EVE deserves a MUCH higher place on the list due to it's sandbox style system and offline training.  I don't care for the game myself, but its longevity and growth over time speak for themselves.  It's a phenomenon, you either get it or you don't.  But if you do, it's apparently one of the most rewarding gaming experiences out there.  At least my buddy swears by it.

Just a few observations.

  Sturmrabe

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11/19/09 6:37:08 AM#66

I have never seen a bigger failure in a top 10 list...

 

Anarchy Online INTRODUCED instancing, now a staple of the genre, how the fuck is Darkfall even worth a mention? A shitty game that ACTUALLY came out?

 

Really? Thats all it took to get on the list? REALLY???

 

I'm no EQ fan, but EQ should really be #1 for starting the whole show (yeah I know it wasn't the first, but it really made the MMO a viable market) and considering WoW is EQ on training wheels... yeah, WoW gets #2 for expanding the market, but there is not a damn innovation in the game. Though it could be said that ANY game (AO brought instancing, and then came respecing, etc etc) that came out after EQ and had a new feature EQ patched it in with an Xpac,,, borglike in its efficiency.

 

SWG, its worth a footnote because of the epic fail, but another game that brought nothing to the genre.

 

How could you not mention Shadowbane? A persistent world, the FIRST real PvP MMO, and NO MMO SINCE has ever even touched what it was like to build a city in SB... for shame!

This is definitely of the "new school" of MMO's, with little depth, less insight, and no historical perspective.

 


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  Einstein-DF

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11/19/09 6:40:49 AM#67

 LoL at the Darkfall haters.

 

 

Look - besides actually launching Darkfall did something that was never done before - it was not carebear and it was sandbox- and its sticking to its guns getting better all the damn time.

UO - careberised to the lowerst common denominator (did it progress over time like EVE and DF is - absolutely not)

Asheron's Call - my favorite game of all time, but besides Darktide carebear. Turbine never gave a damn about PVP and DT, only white servers. (did it progress over time like EVE and DF is - absolutely not)

LOTRO - ok so what exactly did it all do. We had the same types of quests years ago, without the shiny graphics. What exactly have they done or will they do that will be setting apart - jack crap - (did it progress over time like EVE and DF is - absolutely not)

 

I can go on and on, and even though I would put AC on that list because of well deserved merits, DF has its spot in history, perhaps not nr6 but it has to be on there.

 

This is an undeniable and irrefutable fact!

  velimirius

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11/19/09 6:49:26 AM#68
Originally posted by Einstein-DF

 LoL at the Darkfall haters.

 

 

Look - besides actually launching Darkfall did something that was never done before - it was not carebear and it was sandbox- and its sticking to its guns getting better all the damn time.

UO - careberised to the lowerst common denominator (did it progress over time like EVE and DF is - absolutely not)

Asheron's Call - my favorite game of all time, but besides Darktide carebear. Turbine never gave a damn about PVP and DT, only white servers. (did it progress over time like EVE and DF is - absolutely not)

LOTRO - ok so what exactly did it all do. We had the same types of quests years ago, without the shiny graphics. What exactly have they done or will they do that will be setting apart - jack crap - (did it progress over time like EVE and DF is - absolutely not)

 

I can go on and on, and even though I would put AC on that list because of well deserved merits, DF has its spot in history, perhaps not nr6 but it has to be on there.

 

This is an undeniable and irrefutable fact!

 

I guess that you never played lotor so dont talk your crap here.

you can always "go on and on" cuz its easy with craps to be told.

  Einstein-DF

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11/19/09 6:58:39 AM#69
Originally posted by velimirius
Originally posted by Einstein-DF

 LoL at the Darkfall haters.

 

 

Look - besides actually launching Darkfall did something that was never done before - it was not carebear and it was sandbox- and its sticking to its guns getting better all the damn time.

UO - careberised to the lowerst common denominator (did it progress over time like EVE and DF is - absolutely not)

Asheron's Call - my favorite game of all time, but besides Darktide carebear. Turbine never gave a damn about PVP and DT, only white servers. (did it progress over time like EVE and DF is - absolutely not)

LOTRO - ok so what exactly did it all do. We had the same types of quests years ago, without the shiny graphics. What exactly have they done or will they do that will be setting apart - jack crap - (did it progress over time like EVE and DF is - absolutely not)

 

I can go on and on, and even though I would put AC on that list because of well deserved merits, DF has its spot in history, perhaps not nr6 but it has to be on there.

 

This is an undeniable and irrefutable fact!

 

I guess that you never played lotor so dont talk your crap here.

you can always "go on and on" cuz its easy with craps to be told.

 

I have played their trial, so I know first hand what Im talking about. Perhaps I didnt max level but I read up on it on various articles around here. Besides I believe LOTRO is the best PVE game besides Vanguard so not that im knocking it.


Fact is tho LOTRO cannot have a higher place in history than Darkfall, absolutely not. Its the same ol same ol and we all should know it

  velimirius

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11/19/09 7:07:28 AM#70

lol darkfall will always have place in history.

like most controversial darkfail game ever.

  Einstein-DF

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11/19/09 7:10:28 AM#71
Originally posted by velimirius

lol darkfall will always have place in history.

like most controversial darkfail game ever.

 

You are just a hater dude - im done arguing with you

  leone2nd

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11/19/09 7:26:22 AM#72
Originally posted by PeacemakerOn

I agree with a lot of the list, and I am happy to see at least one of the early days of MMO's...but I have to say I feel there are some which should not be excluded.

Meridian59 the FIRST 3D mmo I mean thats kinda a big deal. this is the first MMO as we know them today.

Terra: Battle for the Outlands - this is a game which sadly doesn't get much notice anymore. Released in 1996 (Before Ultima). Why does it deserve a spot? Make a list of what you would like to see in an MMO today, chances are Terra already did it - think EVE but on a planet, with tanks, and existed way beforehand...it was the pre-eve. The biggest reason though, is its fan base...it is a game which was pretty much thrown away by a company who suddenly decided to "go in a different direction", even though it was doing incredibly well for its time. The rights were eventually bought by players who fixed the game back to how it originally played (after another company had messed with it). And get this, you can still play it. What other MMO can you say has run from 1996 until today? Sure its had its falls, even almost went completely dead a few times, but the players refused to give up on it.

I also would have liked to see Guild Wars on the list. first non-subscription, non-microtransaction mmo. may not have WoW numbers, but it was still extremely successful and managed to keep a lot of its main player base for quite awhile. Also, it is a completely instanced mmo, and graphically-wise it was at the top when it came out.

To those saying final fantasy... not sure about that one, yes it has done well and has a large player base, but it is also only for a very niche audience...aka fans of the series. It didn't really affect the mmo industry as a whole. And I must note, Phantasy Star Online was released on the Dreamcast, Windows, the Gamecube, and Xbox, and then the later PSUniverse was on the ps2 making it the first multiconsole before FFXI (though you can argue it wasn't quite a full mmo).

anyways, thats my 2 cents

 

EDIT: Because someone mentioned it...Terra was also the FIRST to actually have a live team as characters in game, to allow players to actually affect the world and its lore with their actions - actually, when the game came out, it didn't really have any story, the story was added later based on the game world and its players' actions. Like how EVE works...two guilds have a massive battle, that was added to the history of the world. The lore that could be found on the site was actually written by a player.


 

I am glad someone mentioned MERIDIAN59 and Terra.

First MMOs at least 3D ones were from the Sci-fi genre. There were almost many other projects begining at those early years,  which unfortunatelly I have entirely forgoten their names, than never made it past the initial developer stages. Too bad the investors never believed in them. Most of them Sci-fi too.  MMO world would be entirely different today if some people believed in their vision.

  Chtuga

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11/19/09 7:36:59 AM#73
Darkfall is launched recently, how can you say its subscription numbers will have an equal development such as EVE. this is something we only can see in 2-3 years.

 

  leone2nd

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11/19/09 7:52:31 AM#74


Originally posted by dalevi1

My first reply...haven't read the rest.
I have to admit. You picked 10 mmo's, not a "top 10" mmo's. So, there has to be some forgiveness intended. UO, of course is a staple, no I never played the game, and I am glad I didn't, but it seems every 2009 account on MMO is a "pre-trammel" player, whatever that means.
Darkfall, has two servers...each "able to handle up to 10,000 players at once". Conclusion, there are less than 20k subs. If this rocks your boat, well done. In the definition of vaporware, DF nailed it for years. Then it released, and not only did people get a game that did not add up to the website feature list, they got a months long wait just to buy into beta. Darkfall does have a place in history although. By creating 8 years of hype, and being better than DnL, and making people wait for donuts, you might just be able to fund a 2nd server considering the economy in Greece.


Greece is in the euro zone like the whole EU is and the EU has the euro currency which is, was, and will be much much better than the dollar, so no fears there.

 

  User Deleted
11/19/09 8:18:39 AM#75

Love it or HATE it, SWG is Number 2 , Its been Number 2 for quite some time due to its double doody dummy Down of the CU and the NGE. SOE achieves the number 2 position for making some of the biggest mistakes in MMO gaming history outranking its Flagship 3rd ranked Everquest.

You have to respect the rating as far as MMORPG.com goes. Due to the upheaval that SOE
brought upon itself with the previously mention changes brought 100s of thousands new posters and lurkers to this site in an effort to make some sense in the now infamous, fubarstic mismanagement of the well known space franchise.

  Troneas

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11/19/09 8:19:36 AM#76

the nge has been more influential than just alerting developers than a complete overhaul to an existing mmo is a bad decision.

 

 

the nge has also contributed to the perception that sandbox games are inferior to or cant compete with the wow model and as such we have seen a long period of themepark, wow-clone games. ironically pre-cu could have been the leader of sandbox games given its star wars title if they had just fixed the bugs in the game. today that role and the hope of seeing more sandbox games lies with EVE online, developed by a much smaller studio.

 

still, its only fair that WoW occupies the first spot.

 

not sure i agree with darkfall though. i dont see how a game which surprised people by launching is enough to be of any impact to the mmo world.

 

 

  Mcgreag

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11/19/09 8:21:18 AM#77


Originally posted by Yamota

A good indication of that is Eve wich has a peak concurrent players of around 25.000 (which suggests the max concurrent is atleast 30.000) and it has 300.000 subscribers.


Actually EVE has a weekly peak concurrency of 45.000 with a record concurrency of 53,850.

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  mindw0rk

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Joined: 8/31/06
Posts: 1367

11/19/09 8:35:30 AM#78

 Nice list but Lineage 2 and DAoC should be there.

I hate L2, but no other game produced as much impact in Asia and army of clones as Lineage

  yureineko

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Joined: 2/28/09
Posts: 39

Chimps are not monkeys.

11/19/09 8:51:24 AM#79

Mr. Wood,

This article is riddled with bad grammar and typos. I know you are the editor, and it can be difficult to edit your own work. And I also realize most gamers just mash their hands down on the keyboard and hope something approximating a sentence comes out, but it is your job to write something that doesn't require the reader to descramble the meaning of a sentence. I don't want to be unnecessarily negative, so, I will also add that it was an other wise enjoyable article.

I don't even believe in Jeebus.

  Kasmos

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Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 604

11/19/09 8:53:24 AM#80

You can all bash the fact that Darkfall is on this list, but just think of all the controversy that it has created.

Hell, I've never seen such rampant, vile trolls or hardcore fanboys created because of any game ever. Just look at all of the threads even on this website talking about, "How the heck is Darkfall #1 in unique hit when AION JUST RELEASED?" and things like that, MONTHS after its release.

Go back to the vaporware era where there was the crowd that screamed, "MWAHAHA DARK AND LIGHT", "Vaporwarzzzzzz!" , "Tasos is a liar", etc. etc. and then the fanboys that yelled back, "NO! IT'S COMING OUT!", "Tasos is GOD!", etc.

 

Point is, this game generated so much internet drama and controversy that it certainly deserves a spot on this list. Go even further and talk about the mechanics of the game and its attempt to bring back the sandbox fantasy genre and it gains more support.

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