Originally posted by krakken

 

Thanks to the OP, i can 100% agree

Risen was 1000 times better as rpg then dragon age.

dragon age is like a interactive movie or a adventure game at best

the hype about this game is just  exorbitant

You tried something new and you didn't like it. It's life, get over it.

Originally posted by Lork

You tried something new and you didn't like it. It's life, get over it.

People post their opinions about things they don't like that you don't necessarily agree with.  It's life, get over it.

People post shit about people not liking games.  It's life, I need to get over it.

Originally posted by Lork

Originally posted by krakken

 

Thanks to the OP, i can 100% agree

Risen was 1000 times better as rpg then dragon age.

dragon age is like a interactive movie or a adventure game at best

the hype about this game is just  exorbitant

 

You tried something new and you didn't like it. It's life, get over it.

bahh i'm over it. don't worry

i told you my opinion (and thats what this thread is for) you don't like it. GET OVER IT !

Originally posted by Tryggvi

Originally posted by Lork

You tried something new and you didn't like it. It's life, get over it.

 

People post their opinions about things they don't like that you don't necessarily agree with.  It's life, get over it.

People post shit about people not liking games.  It's life, I need to get over it.

Can you read? where did I disagree with him? Don't assume I agreed or disagree with the poster.

It's life, get over it.

I can assume pretty much the obvious.  It's life, get over it.

Why do we keep saying it's life, get over it?  Right afterward we complain about something else.

Couldn't agree more, OP.

This game is weak. It's just a mash up of KotOR and Mass Effect with a typical fantasy setting (a setting done to death, at that). I can't find anything in this game that hasn't been done better save for maybe the beginning of the game with each race/class and origins. Other than that, though, the game is still nothing I haven't seen before.

I expected much more from Bioware.

Then again, I guess I shouldn't expect much more...we're entering an age of consolitis on everything.

Originally posted by Tryggvi

I can assume pretty much the obvious.  It's life, get over it.

Why do we keep saying it's life, get over it?  Right afterward we complain about something else.

And that's why people get shot. I bitched about him bitching about a game he didn't enjoy.

Just like people who complain about being broke but if you give them some non-namebrand shit they get all pissy.

Originally posted by Tryggvi

Just like people who complain about being broke but if you give them some non-namebrand shit they get all pissy.

What? That metaphor has nothing to do about what was posted in this thread.

Originally posted by Lork

Originally posted by Tryggvi

Just like people who complain about being broke but if you give them some non-namebrand shit they get all pissy.

 

What? That metaphor has nothing to do about what was posted in this thread.

May I refer you back to your statement I originally quoted as to add on to something else that was posted that has nothing to do with this thread?

Originally posted by Tryggvi

Originally posted by Lork

Originally posted by Tryggvi

Just like people who complain about being broke but if you give them some non-namebrand shit they get all pissy.

 

What? That metaphor has nothing to do about what was posted in this thread.

 

May I refer you back to your statement I originally quoted as to add on to something else that was posted that has nothing to do with this thread?

TWO DUNCES in one night, JEEBUS SAVE ME!

I am actually enjoying dragon age more then mass effect.  Been a long time since i played so Kotor so hard to judge.  Dragon age is more of a setting I like though then sci fi.  Low fantasy FTW.

As for a lot of the complaints for the opening post.  I can only say you seriously misjudged this game and what it was suppose to be.  Its kind of like complaining about GTA because there are not enough dragons and you like fantasy.

Originally posted by Lork

Originally posted by Tryggvi

Originally posted by Lork

Originally posted by Tryggvi

Just like people who complain about being broke but if you give them some non-namebrand shit they get all pissy.

 

What? That metaphor has nothing to do about what was posted in this thread.

 

May I refer you back to your statement I originally quoted as to add on to something else that was posted that has nothing to do with this thread?

 

TWO DUNCES in one night, JEEBUS SAVE ME!

You must make the third.  Such hypocrisy from someone with a quote from Plato astounds me.

Originally posted by Tryggvi

Originally posted by Lork

Originally posted by Tryggvi

Originally posted by Lork

Originally posted by Tryggvi

Just like people who complain about being broke but if you give them some non-namebrand shit they get all pissy.

 

What? That metaphor has nothing to do about what was posted in this thread.

 

May I refer you back to your statement I originally quoted as to add on to something else that was posted that has nothing to do with this thread?

 

TWO DUNCES in one night, JEEBUS SAVE ME!

You must make the third.  Such hypocrisy from someone with a quote from Plato astounds me.

Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have. Hypocrisy is thus a kind of lie. Hypocrisy may come from a desire to hide from others actual motives or feelings.

Please, do the world a favor, think before you post.

Thats the thing about hype and product placements. RPG players hate it.They instantly turn around and start looking for flaws -which every games have. Becomming FoTM is a dangerous thing in the RPG community. Two other games which have recieved high scores and positives review atm is Borderlands and Arkham. Both of those have their downsides as well - if i entered those game with high expactations i might end up asking; no more talents?(Borderlands) Linear gameplay?( Arkham)questionable graphics? ( Borderlands) etc etc.

However i have to agree with some of op`s points. Cutscenes and forced storyline is a thing of the past. Today players want to create their own story. Why beeing forced to watch a second grade movie which isnt better then Dungeon and Dragons ( the horrible Jeremy Irons movie). If the developers want to make movies and show us how good they are at telling adventures, they need to come up with something extra ordinary - like Planescape Torment. The game is allso way to instanced imo. Entering a 10x10 square foot house promps a loading screen. Wtf?

Bioware prolly need to find out what leg to stand on. Rpg or Adventure games. A mix is a bad idea today, where Sandbox games and games with high freedom becomes more and more the norm. If you enter a game to play RPG, it is the character development which should be in focus - cutscenes just interrupts the flow and is anoying. Bioware should ask themself, if the market really is open for story driven, adventure games today - and if they even would sell, if it wasnt because they where bundled with tons of RPG.

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Legsbiter

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Legsbiter

I agree somehow agree with the OP.

I was hoping for something a lot better than that... I mean c'mon... They made Mass Effect and it rocked. Graphics were good, the story was good, the world was huge, etc. What have they done with DAO?

The graphics were also... terribad. And the game had EA sign on the box.

 

^ PS3 version

 

 

ahhh   ps3 version

 

you know what? get a xbox 360 or the pc version and throw that garbage away =P

 

I had a 360 and with the experience I got with it, nahhhh.

I rarely mind graphic, but from Bioware... what the hell.

 

Believe me, ive played both versions side by side, 360 and ps3, and the ps3 version is way worse.

May be because the ps3 hardware is crap, dont know (they cant even put gran turismo 5 out in that thing).

Either way is easy, go to a store and ask to make the side by side comparison.

 

The PC version, the one i play, has excellent graphics, and doesnt demand a top computer. So, i really cant see how graphics in this game can be criticized. Dont blame Bioware for a consoles limitations

guess u dont know to much. pc,360 and the ps3 all 3  are not even close to each other when it comes to hardware. but by your comment u dont even have a guess at it.  to port the game to 3 diffent types of systems u gonna have some lose going over. from my understanding  makeing the games for them are  in this order of difficulty   pc( its the easiest since its been around a while) 360 been out a while and has already hit is max hardware ablity  and ps3 is the hardest for them to make games for right now due to it using alot of newer tech

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by lawnmowerman

   I , for one, am perplexed by the hype/reviews of this game. I mean, I get why it's so hyped on this site as mmorpg.com has increasingly lost credence in the journalistic department and seem to be more shills for the highest advertiser than anything at this point...but In my own opinion this game is just...well, not good. Far be it from me to just post nonsense like that without giving you my reasons though:

 

1) Load screens.Lots of them.

I dont' like the load screens either but it is what it is.

2) Ok, the story is KIND OF interesting. Doesn't mean I wanna take 3 steps watch a 5 minute cut scene, fight one mob, watch a 5 minute cut scene...etc

I very much like the cut scenes as it makes the game more cinematic and frames the players in a way that to me is far more intresting then just stayiing in 3rd person view and clicking on dialogue screens.

3) very , very , very linear. There is no "world". There is a series of linear, very restricted zones. You port from one to the next. "Exploring" consist of bouncing back and forth like a ping pong ball between walls, both invisible and not down the corridor that is the "story"

All of bioware's games are like this. Their games are more about the story going on and the player's choices within that story than exploring a world. It's not oblivion or morrowind.

4) combat. Sigh. Revolutionary? Breathtaking? My god. Swing my sword, hit pause, cue attacks, unpause, watch action for 3 seconds, pause again. yeah...takes my breath right away. Guys..."exhilarating combat" generally doesn't involve the pause button.

I dont' understand why people aren't getting this. I suspect they didn't read the manual. Put it on easy and don't pause. Problem solved. Easy is also there for players who want more real time combat experience.

5)DLC ON LAUNCH DAY!!!!!!! LOLOLOL

meh, I don't mind this. Why do they have to stand on ceremony with this service. That is how they are going to be pushing the game for the next 2 years. There is going to be content that is purchased. You don't need it to play the game.

6) partyy system. Meh, this one is personal preference, but I dont want to have to control a party. Game would have been better , imo if it was just me and my hound. When I think of a classic rpg, i think of me. My chararacter.Singular.Micromanaging sucks.

I'm very much with you here. This is why I've been using the tactics slots more as I hate micromanaging the party.

 

Iv'e got more, but will stop there. Not really designed to be a bash of boware or their game, I just don't like it. Obviously a ton of people do. It just surprises me  is all. I am an older guy so perhaps what i think of as a "good game" is just different from the current generations. Seems "playable movies" are the new thing :(

  

 

that probably is it. I enjoy playable movies as I'm a huge movie buff. I like things being theatrical and cinematic. I'm sure you aren't alone in your feelings.

I don't usually like quoting walls like this, but meh...it sums things up nicely.

Your last point there about the tactics though is basically an argument ender though. I REPEATEDLY have to explain to people that using the tactics makes the game DRASTICALLY different. They aren't there are some crutch or something. The tactics are there SPECIFICALLY SO YOU DONT HAVE TO PAUSE TO CONSTANTLY QUEUE ATTACKS. I have recently started a hard campaign as a Mage and I've done this to fully explore the tactics.

As I have further explored and exploited all the ways in which the tactics work together I find myself having to pause less and less. I have Wynne do ONLY HEALING and cast rejuv on me at certain %'s and mass rejuv's at other %'s. I haven't even bothered to pick up Shale (the best tank character in the game). Instead I've just been using Alistair in knight-commander armor. I have his tactics set up perfectly to tank. As support and more ranged I use Leliana with lots and lots of cunning, song of valor and lots of scatter shots.

For my character I have a lot of cc's, sleep, waking nightmare, paralyze, etc and a few aoe damage spells - mostly just use fireball, coc, blizzard/inferno combo. Having taken all this time to properly set up my party and really use my brain about tactics means I RARELY have to pause. People who complain about having to pause a lot are complaining about their own laziness, period.

Originally posted by sidfu

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Legsbiter

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Legsbiter

I agree somehow agree with the OP.

I was hoping for something a lot better than that... I mean c'mon... They made Mass Effect and it rocked. Graphics were good, the story was good, the world was huge, etc. What have they done with DAO?

The graphics were also... terribad. And the game had EA sign on the box.

 

^ PS3 version

 

 

ahhh   ps3 version

 

you know what? get a xbox 360 or the pc version and throw that garbage away =P

 

I had a 360 and with the experience I got with it, nahhhh.

I rarely mind graphic, but from Bioware... what the hell.

 

Believe me, ive played both versions side by side, 360 and ps3, and the ps3 version is way worse.

May be because the ps3 hardware is crap, dont know (they cant even put gran turismo 5 out in that thing).

Either way is easy, go to a store and ask to make the side by side comparison.

 

The PC version, the one i play, has excellent graphics, and doesnt demand a top computer. So, i really cant see how graphics in this game can be criticized. Dont blame Bioware for a consoles limitations

 

guess u dont know to much. pc,360 and the ps3 all 3  are not even close to each other when it comes to hardware. but by your comment u dont even have a guess at it.  to port the game to 3 diffent types of systems u gonna have some lose going over. from my understanding  makeing the games for them are  in this order of difficulty   pc( its the easiest since its been around a while) 360 been out a while and has already hit is max hardware ablity  and ps3 is the hardest for them to make games for right now due to it using alot of newer tech

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Take a ~700 dollar computer and you will have hardware way beyond what is shoved into a ps3.

Neither the ps3 nor the 360 have more than 512kb of ram. Both of them are using equivulents to an nvidia 8600 or 8700. In the case of 360, it is actually an nvidia 8600 upgraded for 2x anti-aliasing support. The ps3 is using an ATI card. The PS3 has a more powerful processor, but the 360 has a slightly better graphics card.

PC's are the hardest platform for gaming to code for. You have to code for multiple chipsets, multiple processors (most companies cannot code to properly utilize multi-core systems), MANY gpu's and multiple OS's. Compare that to a console - All ps3's use the exact same hardware and software. All 360's use the exact same hardware and software. If you code a game for ps3 you know EXACTLY what it is you're coding for, there's absolutely no additional bases to cover.

Originally posted by Thillian

I don't like it either. I didn't like Mass Effect nor Knights of Old Republic. I do not like Bioware RPG's at all, in my opinion they should be rather called interactive movies with lots of facial expressions and cut-scenes, but with no real interaction apart from the tactical fights.

On the other hand, I did like Baldur's Gate 1 and Planescape Torment, altho I'm not sure now whether these weren't made by Black Isle instead.

as far as kotor - turn off the pauses - get passed the first planet and the game is gold...

Is there a turn off for the pause system in dragon age?

The thing I don't like about BioWare games in general are the loading screens and the breaking up of the gameworld. This was true for Baldur's Gate and the same is true with DA: O. In DA: O specifically the camera can be annoying at times when you're trying to target far-off enemies, enemies around corners or on ridges.

On the other hand I think the game does other things so well that I love it regardless.

My favourite RPG of all time is easily Ultima 7. It's from 1992 (with a part 2 released in 1993, also a great game). It did some really great things that I really miss in modern RPGs, such as

- Completely seamless world. You can walk from one end to the other without a single loading screen. You can enter buildings and dungeons and there's no loading screen. There's only a loading screen when you start the game, or if you use a teleport device.

- NPCs live their own day-to-day routines. Eg. a farmer eats breakfast in the morning, is out in the field, comes home for supper, sleeps in the bed etc. This adds an amazing amount of immersion and atmosphere to the game.

- Highly interactive gameworld. You could pick up practically anything and move it around. As a more extreme example, you could bake bread by getting lowering a bucket into a well to get water, put some flour on a table, use the water with the flower, put the dough into an oven, wait a bit and then retrieve the finished bread.

It had an excellent main plot that you could pursue at your own leisure. You could at any point break off it and go explore the rich world, although following the main plot would eventually lead you around everywhere. I'd love to see BioWare do a game that offers these features in addition to what they already offer in their games (great interactive story-telling).