Move along. Nothing here but a load of outdated crap.

I'll have to agree that FE isn't as great as the fanboys claim it to be. There are some profound issues with the game. The PvE gameplay is crap, its not the mechanics I'm talking about but the game in general.  Its just way too easy to the point of being trivial. We're talking EVE like here. This would be fine if the PvP is good but I'm sorry, it's lukewarm at best. Conflict towns mechanics is lame and equally pointless as the PvE gameplay.

Overall what this game lack is a point or destination. In EVE it's the awesome sandbox PvP, in WoW and fantasy MMOs it's raids. I would love to say FE's big lure is crafting but thats not true either. When everyone is a crafter  then nobody is a crafter.

Originally posted by Keushpuppy

Originally posted by metalliham

Sounds like someone got caught exploiting AP. ^^

 

yes it does .......

My money's on 'banned from the official FE forums'.  People always come to MMORPG.com to nerdrage when they get exiled from their homes.  What they fail to realize is that most people see them and their post for what it really is: impotency.

Originally posted by Kexo

 When everyone is a crafter  then nobody is a crafter.

Possibly the most nonsensical statement Ive seen on these forums. There's nothing elite or exclusive about being a crafter in any game. Any idiot can do it. In most games people chose not to because it's a pointless pain in the posterior. Finally a game where crafting has a purpose other than the accumulation of virtual wealth or grinding until your eyes bleed and you say it's not crafting? Horse Feathers.

Originally posted by DeathSpiral

With respect to first time posting....I moved and changed emails, and lost my password, etc.  In any case I've found that post count is inversely proportional to honesty, at least here at this website.

As far as WOW, played a trial once and hated it....

With regard to AP exploiting, my character has approximately 5 known extra AP, possibly more.  Each discovery of repeating quests was reported via bug report until I realized that the issue was not quest specifc but as mentioned in the code/server area with data not being saved in a secure manner.

To date I have recieved no banning and/or resetting of character, no email or in game correspondence from a mod or developer regarding extra AP.  I know of no other player who has had any action taken against them whatsoever for extra AP.

To call this game a steaming pile of dog poo is an insult to turds everywhere

The focus of my post was on AP as it is the most serious gamebreaker out there.  And one that a new player or someone unaffiliated with the game would be unfamiliar with until they were deep into the game.  A similar length post could have easily been made on a number of issues, specifically the ones I touched on briefly at the end.

I would only agree it is a serious problem if the AP has a soft cap.   One that is based on only character levels and the # of quests that give AP.  However, if there is a hard cap then the point is moot, since all the exploiters really gained was a tweaked character that is stronger than it should be at early stages of the game.   Further into the game a player advances the less relevant that exploiters AP will be, but I would still agree they should get whomped with a ban hammer.

I was going to do a redux on this post but i really couldnt be bothered wasting my energy.

The people who like the game like it for various reason, people who exploited will no doubt discover some issues further up the road.

After all if the data is stored correctly they would be able to back track AP gains?

I hate Fallen Earth for my own reasons, I hate the way I load it up and then the next thing I know its silly o'clock and I have missed picking up my GF, I hate how I get so engrossed the kitchen chip pan went on fire (only the fact the smoke in front of my monitor that I stopped playing)

Originally posted by Obidom

I was going to do a redux on this post but i really couldnt be bothered wasting my energy.

 

The people who like the game like it for various reason, people who exploited will no doubt discover some issues further up the road.

After all if the data is stored correctly they would be able to back track AP gains?

I hate Fallen Earth for my own reasons, I hate the way I load it up and then the next thing I know its silly o'clock and I have missed picking up my GF, I hate how I get so engrossed the kitchen chip pan went on fire (only the fact the smoke in front of my monitor that I stopped playing)

You may need to consider putting a stop to your gaming hobby before you end up burning down your house and attempting to sue someone for making a game "too much fun."

On topic: Fallen Earth is fine. I don't like it so I will be playing something else.

The game is new and still in a process of filtering out the tards,morons,idiots as well as the players that just dont like the game play for whatever reason but dont come trolling on gaming sites.

Nothing unusual it happens to all games, that's why we see increase of trolls every end of the month, it will last few more months I guess.

I like the trolls though, they boost my FE enjoyement even more.

Every now and then, while I play FE I think about some of these troubled bitter kids that seem to have so many gaming "problems" lol.

I remind myself how much it sucks to be them and how much better is to be me, enjoying a fine game after a hard day at work while some kid loses his mind about an irrelevant thing like a video game.

It's funny really.

I think PCs should come with a built-in mechanical hand that slaps you every time you nerdrage, as well as a sound effect, a voice screaming " IT"S A GAME!!!...IT"S A VIDEO GAME YOU IDIOT!!!.

That would rock.

So.... my message to theOP and rest of the players with  gaming "problems" is.., please never stop posting, I need a lol from forums too every now and then.

Never stop posting <3.

Hard to say whether OP is a shill paid to anonymously sh*t on other games in order to stop player bleed from the "favored" game or maybe he just got dumped by his GF.

Either way OP's opinion as worthless as his post is longwinded.

FE is one of the best things out there right now. Just finished testing it out and decided to sub.

Why? It's FUN. Go figure...

The AP exploits were few and far between, and eventhough I "exploited" without being banned for it (I got 1 extra AP off a quest I accidentally repeated, and could've kept repeating but didn't.. they fixed that issue) it doesn't matter in the end

Level cap dictates skill cap,  at 45, my melee will be as high as anyone elses melee.  My strength will be as high as anyone elses strength.  if I were pistoleer, my pistol would be as high as anyone elses pistol.

So wheres the advantage?  So and so has an extra couple points in mutations?  The mutations are capped by level.  Even with all the extra AP points you can get, and exloiting another 50 points, you won't be able to max an extra stat more then halfway at best.  

Truthfully, at level 19 I was PvPing with level 27s and winning,  at level 26 I could hang with 35s,  and when capped at level 45, anyone with half a brain could see that an extra few AP isn't going to min/max a character so much that they will ultimately rule the server with their extra AP points.   It makes me wonder if the OP even played the game past 13.

That OP is about as fail as it gets. There's a whole slew of things to hate about FE, but you waste our time with a WOT harping about a lone game bug. Gah, make a list next time.

Originally posted by DeathSpiral

....... Imagine joining the game at this moment in time.  There will be a period of catchup with the early-starters, true but this is eventually overcome.  But what you don't know is that you can and will never be at their level.  Those who have the extra AP from the bugs/exploits  will always dominate you all other things being equal.  Even a small difference like 10 AP can mean a large difference in certain skills such as armor usage which does not offer armors at all skill levels but has tiers or breakpoints where a better set of armor can be worn.

I cut down the rest of the OP's post to simply state in regards to this paragraph that its quite obvious the OP has never played EVE.  not saying thats a bad thing, but in EVE no one will ever be "equal" to anyone who started their account a week before them  - provided they continue to play actively.  That said - i can imagine joining a game where i know "i will never be at their level", as i played in such a sandbox for a good 2 years. 

To honestly believe that these folks (not that i agree with the "exploit" per say) have better armor is ludicris.  Think about it a moment.  At the present time the highest armor needs 164 armor use skill.  Thats possible by every character focused on combat without an added need for the extra AP points your stating.  The only thing i see this allowing is a couple extra points in Willpower (which i agree could make it a sligly less fair PVP playing field but not by much) or a few extra points in crafting, which doesnt really affect anything at all that will seriously affect the overall gameplay.

Do i believe they need to ban these folks or do away with the extra earned AP?  Sure.  Do i think that makes this game "Bad" not at all.  Maybe i just have a little more sympathy for an indy company working to create a good game, but i personally think they have far more "immediate" items that need looked at and patched such as memory leaks (they did fix quite a few of these as with this past patch which is great!!) and things that will largely deter initial buyers that currently had or have no idea about this AP bug and just want to play a stable game.

Lets be honest, the AP bug really only shows its affect to folks who have maxed their characters out at this point which from my understanding is a small %.  The fact that the devs are focusing on the majority over the minority is nothing different from any other MMO company.  Fix the "big" bugs first, then work the little ones.  This "exploit" was initially big, but they have since fixed the situation so that no one else can claim these extra AP.  the fact that they havent come down on those with the extra AP yet, isnt as big an issue as some things and provided they eventually come back to this situation i think they're doing just fine. 

LOL?!?

So thats the only problem of this game? Im gonna warm up my credit card then... pfff...

In some ways, Fallen Earth reminds me of Age of Conan. Both have a fully voiced tutorial which degrades afterwards. Both have a limited story line (AoC - desitiny quest, FE - Clone death quest).

However, Fallen Earth is scrambling hard to correct bugs and game deficiencies as soon as possible. Kudos to the devs for this.

Fallen Earth has a great crafting system, one I have been looking for since the days of Ultima Online. Since UO, I have always wanted to be able to craft everything and now I can once again. Will that adversely affect the economy? Dunno yet. There are lots of players that aren't interested in crafting, so I feel there will be a market for crafted goods regardless. Even if there isn't a market, I still enjoy the satisfaction of wearing armor, bearing weapons and riding mounts that I crafted myself.

I only played the 15 day free trial, but I enjoyed what little time I spent in the game. Why don't I subscribe? Since the AoC launch fiasco I promised myself I would not sub a game until it has been released for at least 6 months, and I remain true to that promise. I will sub sometime after that time, whenever the initial price drops to $20.00. If the initial price doesn't reach that mark, oh well. I liked what I saw, but no mmorpg is worth $50.00 up front plus a monthly fee.

Bottom line, the op is being very biased in a negative way about a game which has much going for it and can only improve in the future.
 

Originally posted by Benjola

TL;DR but I have a feeling the kid misses WoW.

It's that way --------------------------------------------->

Be a good boy and go get it.....go get it...

you are seven

Keep in mind..

Game released with TONS of exploitable ap missions..

Those who did it a few times on accident got to KEEP there bonus AP..

Those who did it multiple times cause they are stupid LOST there account..

*shrugs*  The best way to keep issues from happening is release it working.. *shrugs*

Originally posted by Vaedur

Keep in mind..

Game released with TONS of exploitable ap missions..

 

Those who did it a few times on accident got to KEEP there bonus AP..

Those who did it multiple times cause they are stupid LOST there account..

 

*shrugs*  The best way to keep issues from happening is release it working.. *shrugs*

Theres a difference between doing something twice and doing something 15 times. Yes it would be great if everything was working from the start, but, the bans weren't permanent and theres no telling how many of those AP points the exploiters actually kept.  As I was stating before though, having 50 more AP points would be nice, but it seriously does not give you an "unfair" advantage over any other competent player.  Also, there weren't "tons" of exploitable AP missions,  there were only a handful of AP missions that were truly exploitable, the others revolved around server crashes.  All in all, as stated before, they were few and far between.

 And this is why I don't buy new releases. I really wanted to with this one, I really liked the Beta, but after WAR, I can't bring myself to try anymore new releases.

Originally posted by Astralglide

 And this is why I don't buy new releases. I really wanted to with this one, I really liked the Beta, but after WAR, I can't bring myself to try anymore new releases.

I been around the block along time with these mmorpg's and definetly feel your pain there Astralglide, but it is the way of the mmo market. Its called HYPE and we all fall victim to it, hook, line and sinker.

There are more people playing mmorpgs today  than when Everquest was released and even more than Ultima Online.

World of Warcraft opened up huge potential for mmorpgs now.

We are spoiled in todays gaming society and expect 110% in any type of game we buy, whether a mmo or a fps.

I say this.. If you want 110% in your games you buy, you might as well go to console gaming, pickup your PS3, Wii or Xbox 360.

Excellent thread!!

I came here to read about the negative sides of Fallen Earth, and this definately made me decide to NOT return to this game.

Thanks ALOT for your information!! :)