Brad, Richard and MJ, shouldn't step into this industrial anymore.

Maybe even Paul...

This is why you dont sell out to EA.

Lets hope the same shit doesn't happen to Bioware after it's MMO shares the fate of WAR.

Originally posted by Slampig

Originally posted by greymann

It was stupid and pompous for EA to try it.  Another (very similar) fantasy mmo when wow was still new?  At first I liked the grittier art and pvp promise but that was as far as it went for me.  Why are we feeling sorry for employees?  People have lost their businesses from town to town in this recession.  At least these guys have had a decent paying job. 

On the horizon: get ready for the blizzard/activision empire.

You answer your own question in your following sentence. And because people are losing jobs and businesses from "town to town" we are supposed to not care or feel empathy? Ah, internet anonymity is a great thing, let's twatters really show their true colors.

When I said businesses from town to town I didn't mean major JP morgan owned mega-corporations. When you sign up for one of those you should know what to expect. Yeah I understand today's kid doesn't know the difference between the real entrepreneurs and the wage slaves. Sure, you could make me feel sorry for the slaves I guess but eventually we're all going to be a number with absolutely no control over our own livelihood. How does your gay twatter comment apply to me?

Dont know how true, but :  www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php

Thread no. 546

Originally posted by metalhead980

This is why you dont sell out to EA.

Lets hope the same shit doesn't happen to Bioware after it's MMO shares the fate of WAR.

 

At least Bioware still makes decent single player games alongside it, that sell really well.

So even if SW:TOR fails. They still have single player games to fall back on.

Mythic had nothing to fall back on, except the few subs left on DAoC.

Cheers

Originally posted by metalhead980

This is why you dont sell out to EA.

Lets hope the same shit doesn't happen to Bioware after it's MMO shares the fate of WAR.

 

Why are you convinced that Bioware's MMO will fail, or are you trying to get a little trolling into the thread?

Originally posted by smut

Originally posted by pojung

@ smut

Perhaps you should do a study on gang populations and militia populations that threaten national security. There are healthy doses of demographics within the US who are actively trying to secede. A civil war of national size might be laughable, but internal unrest is very much alive and growing.

OP: Best of luck for all former Mythic employees hit by these layoffs. Your most recent patch brought me back to the title and have been enjoying it casually each weekend with coworkers. I do hope you find employment during these tough times.

 

Whatever...I find it hilarious people bring up civil war because they do not like the democratically elected POTUS. We live in a democracy, things are changed within the system, not by going outside of it and threatening or talking about civil wars. Regardless, this is a gaming forum. So not sure why anyone brought up politics to begin with so I will drop it.

 

Again, my sympathies to the Mythic employees, especially in this tough world we are living in.

In an age of Home Land Security, such discussions are most unwise in a public forum any way...

Its too bad about the people who lost their jobs. But its all too predictable, knowing EA's past history.  Hopefully, they can find other employment soon.

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by smut

Originally posted by pojung

@ smut

Perhaps you should do a study on gang populations and militia populations that threaten national security. There are healthy doses of demographics within the US who are actively trying to secede. A civil war of national size might be laughable, but internal unrest is very much alive and growing.

OP: Best of luck for all former Mythic employees hit by these layoffs. Your most recent patch brought me back to the title and have been enjoying it casually each weekend with coworkers. I do hope you find employment during these tough times.

 

Whatever...I find it hilarious people bring up civil war because they do not like the democratically elected POTUS. We live in a democracy, things are changed within the system, not by going outside of it and threatening or talking about civil wars. Regardless, this is a gaming forum. So not sure why anyone brought up politics to begin with so I will drop it.

 

Again, my sympathies to the Mythic employees, especially in this tough world we are living in.

 

In an age of Home Land Security, such discussions are most unwise in a public forum any way...

Its too bad about the people who lost their jobs. But its all too predictable, knowing EA's past history.  Hopefully, they can find other employment soon.

Democracy... wonder who gave him the idea we were in a democracy?  George Lucas?  That people think this now is even more hilarious than the original idea itself.

Originally posted by greymann

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by smut

Originally posted by pojung

@ smut

Perhaps you should do a study on gang populations and militia populations that threaten national security. There are healthy doses of demographics within the US who are actively trying to secede. A civil war of national size might be laughable, but internal unrest is very much alive and growing.

OP: Best of luck for all former Mythic employees hit by these layoffs. Your most recent patch brought me back to the title and have been enjoying it casually each weekend with coworkers. I do hope you find employment during these tough times.

 

Whatever...I find it hilarious people bring up civil war because they do not like the democratically elected POTUS. We live in a democracy, things are changed within the system, not by going outside of it and threatening or talking about civil wars. Regardless, this is a gaming forum. So not sure why anyone brought up politics to begin with so I will drop it.

 

Again, my sympathies to the Mythic employees, especially in this tough world we are living in.

 

In an age of Home Land Security, such discussions are most unwise in a public forum any way...

Its too bad about the people who lost their jobs. But its all too predictable, knowing EA's past history.  Hopefully, they can find other employment soon.

 

Democracy... wonder who gave him the idea we were in a democracy?  George Lucas?  That people think this now is even more hilarious than the original idea itself.

Blame the public "educational" system. Most people have no clue about the difference between a Democracy(which the Founders/Framers rightly feared and despised) and  a Constitutional Republic.

Originally posted by Wraithone

 

Blame the public "educational" system. Most people have no clue about the difference between a Democracy(which the Founders/Framers rightly feared and despised) and  a Constitutional Republic.

Of course they feared and despised democracy - they were rich, white, male, and many of them owned slaves. Not a demographic which would be inclined to egalitarianism.

Back in the day, EA was an innovator.

For the most part, EA has been a re-release company for years.  They make a retread of any and every mildly successful product as often as they can - sports games (football, golf, soccer, etc.), racing games, etc.  They also put out movie based games, which always suck.  They have a few FPS franchises, but they're usually sub-standard.  If they don't own it, and it's successful, they buy it and retread it into the dirt.

They forced Mythic to release Warhammer early with the obvious results.  EA is just a disaster.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Wraithone

 

Blame the public "educational" system. Most people have no clue about the difference between a Democracy(which the Founders/Framers rightly feared and despised) and  a Constitutional Republic.

Of course they feared and despised democracy - they were rich, white, male, and many of them owned slaves. Not a demographic which would be inclined to egalitarianism.

Your vaunted "egalitarianism" has feet of clay... The mob simply can not be trusted to wisely wield the power of the state.  Their petty hatreds, envy, ignorance and spite are much too easy to manipulate.  But this isn't the forum for such discussions, mores the pity.

Originally posted by battleaxe

Back in the day, EA was an innovator.

 

For the most part, EA has been a re-release company for years.  They make a retread of any and every mildly successful product as often as they can - sports games (football, golf, soccer, etc.), racing games, etc.  They also put out movie based games, which always suck.  They have a few FPS franchises, but they're usually sub-standard.  If they don't own it, and it's successful, they buy it and retread it into the dirt.

They forced Mythic to release Warhammer early with the obvious results.  EA is just a disaster.

Sad but true. But EA is all too typical of the short term corporate mentality. Just about everything is done with an eye on the *quarterly* report. Its difficult to have a long term plan when thats your main focus.  But if they don't focus on that then the shareholders howl.  But EA has gone from bad to worse over the last few years.

All the comments about EA being in the wrong here are just "simple"...no real thought put behind the responses.

Mythic sold out to EA why?  Because they KNEW the quality of WAR.  They KNEW they were running out of cash.  They KNEW that their game would not float them enough cash quick enough upon release to let Mythic survive on it's own.  Mythic's sell out to EA was a way for Mythic management to grab cash and run instead of simply going under. 

It's not EA's fault that WAR is what it is.  It is original Mythic's fault.  The only thing you can blame EA for is not throwing good money after bad by letting Mythic continue in it's present size with WAR.

As some others have stated.  Stop releasing unfinished games.  Stop making promises that you don't keep in terms of launch content.  Stop creating hype, let hype create itself!  If you create a good game, it will prosper on it's own with a modest amount of advertisement.  Plan your budget around releasing the game when it's ready.  If you can't budget that, then you have no business being in the business of online gaming. 

 These days, consumers have been pretty eager to punish developers and publishers that scoff at this common sense.  They still get an initial cash "pop" from initial box sales, but when word gets out about the lack of quality of the game, it's days are numbered.

P.S.  Don't think I'm an EA fan.  I've hated them since they canned Earth and Beyond :(

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Wraithone

 

Blame the public "educational" system. Most people have no clue about the difference between a Democracy(which the Founders/Framers rightly feared and despised) and  a Constitutional Republic.

Of course they feared and despised democracy - they were rich, white, male, and many of them owned slaves. Not a demographic which would be inclined to egalitarianism.

 

Your vaunted "egalitarianism" has feet of clay... The mob simply can not be trusted to wisely wield the power of the state.  Their petty hatreds, envy, ignorance and spite are much too easy to manipulate.  But this isn't the forum for such discussions, mores the pity.

Nope.  According to Jefferson we're only here for the occasional bloodbath whenever government goes bad.  Strong leaders and eventual government is still needed though.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Wraithone

 

Blame the public "educational" system. Most people have no clue about the difference between a Democracy(which the Founders/Framers rightly feared and despised) and  a Constitutional Republic.

Of course they feared and despised democracy - they were rich, white, male, and many of them owned slaves. Not a demographic which would be inclined to egalitarianism.

Oh ok even though some of them supported the new French democracy.  Besides we're much less free today then we were under those horrible slave owners.  Wonder how future generations will see us--those arab killing, third trimester baby slaughterers stripping third world resources and assinating anyone that doesn't go along with our corporatocracy.

Originally posted by greymann 

Oh ok even though some of them supported the new French democracy.  Besides we're much less free today then we were under those horrible slave owners.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by greymann 

Oh ok even though some of them supported the new French democracy.  Besides we're much less free today then we were under those horrible slave owners.

"We"?

Not women, blacks, and the poor.

Hmm, at least 2 great excuses they've had to turn all of us into slaves.

Originally posted by greymann

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by greymann 

Oh ok even though some of them supported the new French democracy.  Besides we're much less free today then we were under those horrible slave owners.

"We"?

Not women, blacks, and the poor.

 

Hmm, at least 2 great excuses they've had to turn all of us into slaves.

via wage and debt slavery.  Ironic that a guy named George Fitzhugh predicted it all.  The irony being that he used it as an argument against abolition.

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by greymann

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by greymann 

Oh ok even though some of them supported the new French democracy.  Besides we're much less free today then we were under those horrible slave owners.

"We"?

Not women, blacks, and the poor.

 

Hmm, at least 2 great excuses they've had to turn all of us into slaves.

 

via wage and debt slavery.  Ironic that a guy named George Fitzhugh predicted it all.  The irony being that he used it as an argument against abolition.

Great way to confuse people as to what's best.  As if we couldn't have abolished slavery without having to accept all the crap that came with it.