Originally posted by lisubab

Originally posted by Malickie

With all the heated debate this game aggravates. I would think they would have released a free trial of some form by now, at least buddy keys. You know to prove the bad press and word of mouth that is out there wrong. With how it stands (no trial) you can not help but believe the stuff you read.

 

Business do not run on the principles of disproving bad press and word of mouth.

Business works on the line of business -- profits.  AV might not think it is profitable to launch a trial.  If that is what they perceive, no trials will be coming.

Thanks for making my point for me :). What reason would they have to feel a trial would not be profitable? If they had confidence in their product they would have no reason to not anticipate a profit.

It's a great game and getting better with every patch.  Nuff said.

Originally posted by Hotjazz

Originally posted by lisubab

Originally posted by Hotjazz

Originally posted by lisubab

No game on earth charge people when a new server is available.

 

us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml

 

You actually proved I am right.  Blizzard charged you if you want to transfer a character from server A to server B.  But its free for you to create multiple characters on multiple servers within the same zone (US/Euro/Taiwan/ and so on).

Ohh was it?

 

You sad excuse of a lowlife troll is wrong yet again. You couldn't transfer your char from an EU server to an US server when I played wow. You couldn't even make a new char on a US server, you had to buy an US account. And do you know what you little lier, I back my claims with links.

 

forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html

forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html

forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html

 

Maybe you can transfer your wow char from EU to US after 5 years, but DF did that in 9 month for free. Who knows, maybe you can make a char on the DF US1 in 5 years.

First if you failed to put up an argument you do not need to use degradation words and insults.  I know you reported me, I won't report you.  Don't worry.

Second, you proved I am right again.  Blizz clearly statedd that EU, US, Taiwan, Russia markets are different business.  It is clearly stated.  Yet even within US you have hundreds of servers.  With one US account, you can elect to have characters created on any of the hundred of servers.  All servers in the US zone are managed by 1 company with a business contract.

The so called EU server or US server of Darkfall are owned by the same business operator, or at least, AV failed to demonstrate beyond doubts that there are separate business operators owning the rights to run them.  Sorry, that is bad news, as AV clearly try to present to customers this and yet under scrutiny they failed to provide hard facts, fact Blizz clearly presented right from start.

If you track the records of AV's presentation of the game, they have been backing out of promises again and again.  From game content to free trials to one character per server, they have been making deliberately vague promises, widely hyped and never honoring them.

Don't worry, none of these should affect your enjoyment with the game, if you do enjoy it.  However, if your enjoyment comes from personally insulting people with different views, then I suspect the game is failing you.  Your pretence to enjoy the game is rested upon burying your head in the sand and denying all evidence that the game is not well received by some other people, that you have to resort to insults, to reporting, to any dirty tricks just to discourage dissident views.

Easy solution, go play the game and do not read the boards.  There is no guarantee that the next person posting takes on a view not positive to your game.

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by lisubab

Originally posted by Malickie

With all the heated debate this game aggravates. I would think they would have released a free trial of some form by now, at least buddy keys. You know to prove the bad press and word of mouth that is out there wrong. With how it stands (no trial) you can not help but believe the stuff you read.

 

Business do not run on the principles of disproving bad press and word of mouth.

Business works on the line of business -- profits.  AV might not think it is profitable to launch a trial.  If that is what they perceive, no trials will be coming.

 

Thanks for making my point for me :). What reason would they have to feel a trial would not be profitable? If they had confidence in their product they would have no reason to not anticipate a profit.

On this issue, we need to be sympathetic to AV, the current developer operating the servers.
 

Given its debt positions and the size of sub base, it is likely that AV is operating under limited resources.  Launching a free trial, if not already planned for during the initial launch, might entail sizable spending, depending on how it needs to be done.  Plugging unrestricted free trial accounts could significantly upset the current precarious balance of power in game, and with the vulnerability to hecking of the current account, it would allow hackers to go rampage on the game, with very little consequence (banning a trial account?).  If the trial account has to be implemented in a restricted manner, say trial island, it means totally new developement work, draining resources badly need to patch up the currently bug and hack ridden game.

Assuming that AV is still trying to keep the game up and not planning to run away (I believe they do), the current priority should be to fix the game.  Till then would they have something worth presenting to the rest of the gamers, who are till now skeptical.  Till then would free trial be likely to be "profitable".

That is my take on this issue.  Since I am not a member of AV, all the above are just business conjectures.  No guarantee AV and its leaders are thinking along these lines.

Originally posted by lisubab

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by lisubab

Originally posted by Malickie

With all the heated debate this game aggravates. I would think they would have released a free trial of some form by now, at least buddy keys. You know to prove the bad press and word of mouth that is out there wrong. With how it stands (no trial) you can not help but believe the stuff you read.

 

Business do not run on the principles of disproving bad press and word of mouth.

Business works on the line of business -- profits.  AV might not think it is profitable to launch a trial.  If that is what they perceive, no trials will be coming.

 

Thanks for making my point for me :). What reason would they have to feel a trial would not be profitable? If they had confidence in their product they would have no reason to not anticipate a profit.

On this issue, we need to be sympathetic to AV, the current developer operating the servers.
 

Given its debt positions and the size of sub base, it is likely that AV is operating under limited resources.  Launching a free trial, if not already planned for during the initial launch, might entail sizable spending, depending on how it needs to be done.  Plugging unrestricted free trial accounts could significantly upset the current precarious balance of power in game, and with the vulnerability to hecking of the current account, it would allow hackers to go rampage on the game, with very little consequence (banning a trial account?).  If the trial account has to be implemented in a restricted manner, say trial island, it means totally new developement work, draining resources badly need to patch up the currently bug and hack ridden game.

Assuming that AV is still trying to keep the game up and not planning to run away (I believe they do), the current priority should be to fix the game.  Till then would they have something worth presenting to the rest of the gamers, who are till now skeptical.  Till then would free trial be likely to be "profitable".

That is my take on this issue.  Since I am not a member of AV, all the above are just business conjectures.  No guarantee AV and its leaders are thinking along these lines.

wow you really need to stop making your self look ignarant there not going to run away there doing everything they can to make the game better gave FREE transfers to the us server. you didnt have to buy the US client. only the impatient did

Originally posted by lisubab

On this issue, we need to be sympathetic to AV, the current developer operating the servers.
 

Given its debt positions and the size of sub base, it is likely that AV is operating under limited resources.  Launching a free trial, if not already planned for during the initial launch, might entail sizable spending, depending on how it needs to be done.  Plugging unrestricted free trial accounts could significantly upset the current precarious balance of power in game, and with the vulnerability to hecking of the current account, it would allow hackers to go rampage on the game, with very little consequence (banning a trial account?).  If the trial account has to be implemented in a restricted manner, say trial island, it means totally new developement work, draining resources badly need to patch up the currently bug and hack ridden game.

Assuming that AV is still trying to keep the game up and not planning to run away (I believe they do), the current priority should be to fix the game.  Till then would they have something worth presenting to the rest of the gamers, who are till now skeptical.  Till then would free trial be likely to be "profitable".

That is my take on this issue.  Since I am not a member of AV, all the above are just business conjectures.  No guarantee AV and its leaders are thinking along these lines.

I am going to have to do something rarely seen here and agree with a statement made against my own. I retract my argument, if it would cut into maintaining their game, that is a very good reason not to do it. 

The way it sounds it's a fun game with problems the everyday market wouldn't accept. It seems a lot of people expect the same quality they get from a company with millions/billions from small upstarts (with great ideas). Which is an unreachable expectation in most cases. Maybe if they drop the actual client price at some point, I will pick it up.

I must say if they did release a trial I would definitely try it out, I only like to PVP in MMO's. SWG being my favorite experience which DF sounds similar to as well as shadowbane with aspects of DAOC. The game sounds like a pvpers wet dream tbh, which makes it harder to believe it could actually be true.

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by lisubab

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by lisubab

Originally posted by Malickie

With all the heated debate this game aggravates. I would think they would have released a free trial of some form by now, at least buddy keys. You know to prove the bad press and word of mouth that is out there wrong. With how it stands (no trial) you can not help but believe the stuff you read.

 

Business do not run on the principles of disproving bad press and word of mouth.

Business works on the line of business -- profits.  AV might not think it is profitable to launch a trial.  If that is what they perceive, no trials will be coming.

 

Thanks for making my point for me :). What reason would they have to feel a trial would not be profitable? If they had confidence in their product they would have no reason to not anticipate a profit.

On this issue, we need to be sympathetic to AV, the current developer operating the servers.
 

Given its debt positions and the size of sub base, it is likely that AV is operating under limited resources.  Launching a free trial, if not already planned for during the initial launch, might entail sizable spending, depending on how it needs to be done.  Plugging unrestricted free trial accounts could significantly upset the current precarious balance of power in game, and with the vulnerability to hecking of the current account, it would allow hackers to go rampage on the game, with very little consequence (banning a trial account?).  If the trial account has to be implemented in a restricted manner, say trial island, it means totally new developement work, draining resources badly need to patch up the currently bug and hack ridden game.

Assuming that AV is still trying to keep the game up and not planning to run away (I believe they do), the current priority should be to fix the game.  Till then would they have something worth presenting to the rest of the gamers, who are till now skeptical.  Till then would free trial be likely to be "profitable".

That is my take on this issue.  Since I am not a member of AV, all the above are just business conjectures.  No guarantee AV and its leaders are thinking along these lines.

 

wow you really need to stop making your self look ignarant there not going to run away there doing everything they can to make the game better gave FREE transfers to the us server. you didnt have to buy the US client. only the impatient did

First, I have a hard time making sense of what you are typing.

Second, you have not provide any refutation to my basic argument, and that is, most developers offers multiple servers within their own cluster, and allow their clients at least 1 character per server.  That is also what AV promised, their own words on their old web page for years, before they hideously update that part of the webpage to one character per account.  Seriously that is a breach of contract to some extend.  Prove me wrong on this.  Otherwise, I will see your text above as nothing more than another ramble trying to silence a different view expressed.

I do not have to buy the US client, that does not negate the fact that AV is trying to double charge EU client player by putting up another server, named it US (which does not reside in the US) and stealth revising its word on the web page to "one character per account".  That AV tried to charge is enough demonstration of bad business ethics.  Your attempt to pass the blame on "the impatient" is yet another attempt to derail and sidetrack.

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by lisubab

On this issue, we need to be sympathetic to AV, the current developer operating the servers.
 

Given its debt positions and the size of sub base, it is likely that AV is operating under limited resources.  Launching a free trial, if not already planned for during the initial launch, might entail sizable spending, depending on how it needs to be done.  Plugging unrestricted free trial accounts could significantly upset the current precarious balance of power in game, and with the vulnerability to hecking of the current account, it would allow hackers to go rampage on the game, with very little consequence (banning a trial account?).  If the trial account has to be implemented in a restricted manner, say trial island, it means totally new developement work, draining resources badly need to patch up the currently bug and hack ridden game.

Assuming that AV is still trying to keep the game up and not planning to run away (I believe they do), the current priority should be to fix the game.  Till then would they have something worth presenting to the rest of the gamers, who are till now skeptical.  Till then would free trial be likely to be "profitable".

That is my take on this issue.  Since I am not a member of AV, all the above are just business conjectures.  No guarantee AV and its leaders are thinking along these lines.

I am going to have to do something rarely seen here and agree with a statement made against my own. I retract my argument, if it would cut into maintaining their game, that is a very good reason not to do it.  The way it sounds it's a fun game with problems the everyday market wouldn't accept. Which I agree it seems a lot of people expect the same quality they get from a company with millions/billions from small upstarts (with great ideas). Which is an unreachable expectation in most cases. Maybe if they drop the actual client price at some point, I will pick it up.

I must say if they did release a trial I would definitely try it out, I only like to PVP in MMO's. SWG being my favorite experience which DF sounds similar to as well as shadowbane with aspects of DAOC. The game sounds like a pvpers wet dream tbh, which makes it harder to believe it could actually be true.

I am a fan of DAoC, I shameless admit.  I actually took a 6 month break from work on the pretence of holiday and studying, and ended up spending half of the days online playing DAoC.

Games like DAoC come with a full package of gameplay in which the end game RvR fits in naturally.  Smaller versions of RvR persist in the lower levels.  Instances were designed in which RvR fits in: when the "common dungeon" (also named darkfall, how lame) changes hand, a lot of PvP takes place in a basically PvE dungeon.  The PvP (RvR) and PvE aspects are interrelated.

Darkfall has yet to get to that point.  When Darkfall was under development, AV sells it as a PvE game along with strong PvP opportunities.  Lots more wild claims, but the reference to PvE is very very loud.  They failed to deliver that, among others, and hence they have a lot of holes to fill in the coming years.  Without those PvE content, the game has been reduced to a large world of grinding and waiting for the PvPs to come.  While this is not in itself a bad game, it does restrict its appeal to some gamers.

Originally posted by lisubab

 

First, I have a hard time making sense of what you are typing.

Second, you have not provide any refutation to my basic argument, and that is, most developers offers multiple servers within their own cluster, and allow their clients at least 1 character per server.  That is also what AV promised, their own words on their old web page for years, before they hideously update that part of the webpage to one character per account.  Seriously that is a breach of contract to some extend.  Prove me wrong on this.  Otherwise, I will see your text above as nothing more than another ramble trying to silence a different view expressed.

I do not have to buy the US client, that does not negate the fact that AV is trying to double charge EU client player by putting up another server, named it US (which does not reside in the US) and stealth revising its word on the web page to "one character per account".  That AV tried to charge is enough demonstration of bad business ethics.  Your attempt to pass the blame on "the impatient" is yet another attempt to derail and sidetrack.

My goodness can you ease up on the clogging of the DF forums with these huge posts that say so little. You have made your point as much as you can. Do you also enjoy hearing yourself talk? I kid.
 

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by lisubab

 

First, I have a hard time making sense of what you are typing.

Second, you have not provide any refutation to my basic argument, and that is, most developers offers multiple servers within their own cluster, and allow their clients at least 1 character per server.  That is also what AV promised, their own words on their old web page for years, before they hideously update that part of the webpage to one character per account.  Seriously that is a breach of contract to some extend.  Prove me wrong on this.  Otherwise, I will see your text above as nothing more than another ramble trying to silence a different view expressed.

I do not have to buy the US client, that does not negate the fact that AV is trying to double charge EU client player by putting up another server, named it US (which does not reside in the US) and stealth revising its word on the web page to "one character per account".  That AV tried to charge is enough demonstration of bad business ethics.  Your attempt to pass the blame on "the impatient" is yet another attempt to derail and sidetrack.

My goodness can you ease up on the clogging of the DF forums with these huge posts that say so little. You have made your point as much as you can. Do you also enjoy hearing yourself talk? I kid.
 

 

Thanks for the kid. :)

Originally posted by lisubab

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by lisubab

On this issue, we need to be sympathetic to AV, the current developer operating the servers.
 

Given its debt positions and the size of sub base, it is likely that AV is operating under limited resources.  Launching a free trial, if not already planned for during the initial launch, might entail sizable spending, depending on how it needs to be done.  Plugging unrestricted free trial accounts could significantly upset the current precarious balance of power in game, and with the vulnerability to hecking of the current account, it would allow hackers to go rampage on the game, with very little consequence (banning a trial account?).  If the trial account has to be implemented in a restricted manner, say trial island, it means totally new developement work, draining resources badly need to patch up the currently bug and hack ridden game.

Assuming that AV is still trying to keep the game up and not planning to run away (I believe they do), the current priority should be to fix the game.  Till then would they have something worth presenting to the rest of the gamers, who are till now skeptical.  Till then would free trial be likely to be "profitable".

That is my take on this issue.  Since I am not a member of AV, all the above are just business conjectures.  No guarantee AV and its leaders are thinking along these lines.

I am going to have to do something rarely seen here and agree with a statement made against my own. I retract my argument, if it would cut into maintaining their game, that is a very good reason not to do it.  The way it sounds it's a fun game with problems the everyday market wouldn't accept. Which I agree it seems a lot of people expect the same quality they get from a company with millions/billions from small upstarts (with great ideas). Which is an unreachable expectation in most cases. Maybe if they drop the actual client price at some point, I will pick it up.

I must say if they did release a trial I would definitely try it out, I only like to PVP in MMO's. SWG being my favorite experience which DF sounds similar to as well as shadowbane with aspects of DAOC. The game sounds like a pvpers wet dream tbh, which makes it harder to believe it could actually be true.

 

I am a fan of DAoC, I shameless admit.  I actually took a 6 month break from work on the pretence of holiday and studying, and ended up spending half of the days online playing DAoC.

Games like DAoC come with a full package of gameplay in which the end game RvR fits in naturally.  Smaller versions of RvR persist in the lower levels.  Instances were designed in which RvR fits in: when the "common dungeon" (also named darkfall, how lame) changes hand, a lot of PvP takes place in a basically PvE dungeon.  The PvP (RvR) and PvE aspects are interrelated.

Darkfall has yet to get to that point.  When Darkfall was under development, AV sells it as a PvE game along with strong PvP opportunities.  Lots more wild claims, but the reference to PvE is very very loud.  They failed to deliver that, among others, and hence they have a lot of holes to fill in the coming years.  Without those PvE content, the game has been reduced to a large world of grinding and waiting for the PvPs to come.  While this is not in itself a bad game, it does restrict its appeal to some gamers.

DAOC was my first MMO actually back in 02, I would have played much longer had it not been for the SWG beta. Which I didn't quit until 05, but yes it's a very well designed game.

It sounds like it is to good to be true that DF meets the expectations a pvper would have going in, coming from games like DAOC. Though it sounds as if it is better than WAR.

Anyway, I guess most should just stay away until AV is squared away (if that ever hapens).

Originally posted by Malickie

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DAOC was my first MMO actually back in 02, I would have played much longer had it not been for the SWG beta. Which I didn't quit until 05, but yes it's a very well designed game.

It sounds like it is to good to be true that DF meets the expectations a pvper would have going in, coming from games like DAOC. Though it sounds as if it is better than WAR.

Anyway, I guess most should just stay away until AV is squared away (if that ever hapens).

Same here, I played DAoC and SWG, concurrently.  Good thing is, during most of my career, I need to maintain 4-6 PCs both at home and work.  At home, I can load up DAoC, watch the frontier keep, and solo my BH in SWG on another PC.

In as much as I loved DAoC, I am not expecting or looking forward to a DAoC2.  If I want to play DAoC clone, I have already enjoyed enough of it during the year+ I played DAoC the real.  I am open to any game design, so long as its fun.  Trouble with Darkfall for me is, the game design is one-sided.  If you do not enjoy rampage style of PvP, there is not enough alternate content for me to stay online.  If I want crafting, siege, RvR, exploration .... there are just way better games out there.

Your concern with AV also clouds the decision.  It is hard to comit time to play a game from a developer, who has a bad habit of dirty dealings.  As darkfall is a persistent game, a gamer is looking forward to continuing the game some time after he logs out.

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Time to put the fire out.