Insults flying back and forth don't win arguments. Or support.

It's always fun to see someone panic when losing an argument and resorting to name-calling. I don't think it's a good idea if you're trying to convince anyone though ^^.

Originally posted by Zorndorf 

So situation Korea is clear....

400.000 players on Korean 42 servers ... does NOT mean there are the same number of characters.

1 player has always several chararcters in a 1 year old MMO. Probably several at end game too.

BTW 400K was the last official number of ... NCsoft themselves and indeed playing on 41 (now 42) servers.

Tx .... you just proved what NCsoft said: 400K Korean players (not characters) on 42 servers.

NA has 14 and EU has 18 servers . So do the calculations yourselves.

:))))

I just mentioned "excluding all other players below the level of 50."  Just the ones 50 on Siel specifically is over 10k.  Please just explain to me.  Where does this 10k subs per 1 server come from?  
 

YOU HAVE BEEN ARGUING THE LAST 2 MONTHS THAT IT'S SPECIFICALLY LIMITED TO 10K SUBS PER SERVER. 

The subs and active account numbers are clearly above 10k in that server.  So do explain, please.  Where is this 10k max capacity sub per 1 server limit you talk of?

Don't change the subject.  You have been clear all this time, and every time.  10k subs per 1 server.  But there is clearly over 10k subs on that particular server. 

Does anyone playing Aion feel the game world is large enough to support 7,000 players logged in at the same time? 

Just a question, because most high level players seem to think the game world is rather small. 

Originally posted by Zorndorf 

In fact your post proves that there are ... 348K  characters being played on 42 servers at the highest levels in a ONE year old mmo....

It is MORE proof than anything else the common rule of 10K players to 1 server (non concurrent) is holding true.

In a one year old MMO, how many avatars most players have ? 2 or 3? How many characters have YOU ?

And as I said the early NCsoft reports spoke of these 400K active Korean players on 41 servers. Since that time (9 months ago) , they added one Korean server.

SO in fact your just proves 350K active players are playing their avatars in the end game ... on 42 servers.

... You proved my point that the NCsoft figures were right ... for Korea: 400K players for approx 41/42 servers.

10Ksubs  to 1 server. Of which 30% is playing concurrently. At peak times that's around 4K on average.

 

Did I ever deny 400k subs in Korea?  

I am asking you where you got the 10k subs per 1 server theory. 

Because clearly there are some servers with only 3-5k level 50s.  How do you explain this?  And no, they aren't new servers.
 

You're still not answering my question directly. 

Siel server for example has over 10k subs.  Not limited to exactly 10k subs. 

So your theory of being limited to 10k subs per 1 server is indeed wrong. 

As an approximate, yes 10k subs on "average" per 1 server is correct. 

However, your arguement all this time, on this thread and the other thread was that sub numbers were exactly limited to 10k per 1 server.

Don't change your wording to justify yourself.  I am asking you where you got the 10k subs per 1 server exact limit.

You have been blabbering nonsense that realm MMOs have 10k sub max capacity per server this whole damn time. 

Originally posted by Zorndorf 

The number of CHARACTERS being played is irrelevant to the subscriptions.

As a matter of fact your Average shows that 350K hi level characters are being played on 42 Korean servers in a one year old game.

Most players staying that long have at least 1 hi end character if not 2. And they log on (mostly) with that character AND of course - some alts - some of which already maxed out too.

So I don't know why you are fighting the official figures of NCsoft for Korea yourself. 400K players for 41 servers almost a year ago.

It just proves that 360K characters being played now is not out of line with what NCsoft themselves said 9 months ago.

 I always speak of "average" btw. 10K on average subscriptions for 1 server. Average. Your TOTAL subs have an AVERAGE of 1 server per 10K subs (spread all over the place).

You post proves almost the NCsoft statements.

Now you highlight and say on "average". 

Well guess what.  Go back to your previous posts on the other Aion subscription thread.  The whole argument was whether or not the 10k subscription number was the max capacity per server.  And you kept denying that more than 10k subs could exist per server. 

And I don't give a rat's ass about NCsoft, so stop posting your overglorified knowledge on NCsoft.

One more thing to add.  NCsoft released a statement a year ago after two months into Open beta that they were going to increase the account limit per server for specific servers to 14k, servers such as Siel, Kashinel, and Zikel. 

Now if you don't understand mine and everyone else's argument.  It was whether or not sub numbers were limited to 10k per server. 

And the answer is "NO".  In cases of Zikel and Siel, total account number is 14k, which include non active and active accounts. 

You're the one who kept denying the possibility of 10k+ subs per server.

Stop changing the subject. 

The subject is whether or not a single server is limited to 10k subs. 

I never said your hypothesis that Korea has approximately 400k subs in their 41 servers was wrong did I?  (which is 42 now)

I was asking you where you got the idea that a server absolutely cannot have above 10k subscriptions per server. 

You denied to answer my questions directly and gave some stupid estimate of the whole picture which I never denied in the first place.

You simply did not accept the fact that a single server can have over your estimate of 10k subscriptions. 

I'm sorry but, you either don't read other people's posts thoroughly, or simply put, you're in complete denial of other's opinions.

 Play nice folks:  argue the points, not the person.

Originally posted by Zorndorf  

Aion is SOLD by NCsoft on Xfire.

Meaning every copy sold of it through Xfire has Xfire installed on Aion.

So it's 5th or 6th place on Xfire is meaningless, when you compare that place with other games NOT sold through Xfire.

It being sold on Xfire, I doubt, has as much impact as you seem to think it does.

1.  As another poster pointed out, just because they have xfire installed on their machine doesn't necessarily mean they're running it.  Heck, they might've installed it to buy the game and get the in-game goodies, then uninstalled Xfire.  Sounds like something I'd do.

2.  Just because they have Xfire installed on their machine, doesn't necessarily mean that they bought their copy of Aion on Xfire.  Quite rarely the case, I'd bet.

While I think it's a valid point to note Xfire numbers as a TREND, I don't think it accurately reflects demographic population.  Being the first weekend of Dragon Age being out, my current mainstay LotRO saw alot less love from me over the past few days.  It probably won't see me very often until the SoM expansion releases.  But I'm definitely going to remain subbed.  How would that look if I were on Crossfire?

Yes, there are probably alot fewer people playing now, but the effects on sub numbers and whatnot won't be known for a few months yet.  When people buy a new game, they play it all the time; after a while, they don't play as much.  Now, there are other new games out, so Aion and many other games are going to the backburner.  Just because you play Aion less doesn't mean you're gonna cancel your sub.

It is interesting to see where Aion and CO are sitting in box pricing, already.  $25.99 for either title, after less than 2 months?  It usually takes about 6 months to hit those prices.  There's obviously some overstock out there.

Quick question, where is everyone getting their numbers? Last I've heard, NC didn't release any official numbers and from what I can see; when I look at the stock market, it aint that bad. They peaked when the game released and are now dropping at the expected rate. So this means, the product release was pretty good.

From what I can see from inside or outside the market of NCsoft, it's positive. 

So I'm really not sure where this entire thread is trying to get at.

XFIRE is good to followTrends and as most FPS players would say, it's mostly useful to FPS players... Xfire allows us to track each other and follow each other on servers. What's the next argument, Steam community group size?

Originally posted by Robsolf

It is interesting to see where Aion and CO are sitting in box pricing, already.  $25.99 for either title, after less than 2 months?  It usually takes about 6 months to hit those prices.  There's obviously some overstock out there.

Is that price accurate?  Is Aion really selling for $26 now?

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by Robsolf

It is interesting to see where Aion and CO are sitting in box pricing, already.  $25.99 for either title, after less than 2 months?  It usually takes about 6 months to hit those prices.  There's obviously some overstock out there.

 

Is that price accurate?  Is Aion really selling for $26 now?

My mistake, it's $22.99 right now...

http://www.amazon.com/Aion-Tower-Eternity-Steelbook-Pc/dp/B000VL4J9Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1257785740&sr=8-1

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by Robsolf

It is interesting to see where Aion and CO are sitting in box pricing, already.  $25.99 for either title, after less than 2 months?  It usually takes about 6 months to hit those prices.  There's obviously some overstock out there.

 

Is that price accurate?  Is Aion really selling for $26 now?

 

My mistake, it's $22.99 right now...

http://www.amazon.com/Aion-Tower-Eternity-Steelbook-Pc/dp/B000VL4J9Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1257785740&sr=8-1

 

Those are private retailers. Gamestop and Best buy still have both games at $49.99. Newegg has them at $46.99 but that's their usual price for new games.

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Regnevanz

Originally posted by Kyleran
/Snip blah blah wow fanboi rant

Compared to the performance of L1/L2, Aion is a big hit in the West, but it ceertainly is no WOW.

 

Actually I remember the wow launch it had around 200k sales at the time - so yeah Aion thus far is in better shape.

Just to put your comment in perspective.  Before WoW, most gamers didn't even know what an MMORPG was.  No game ever had a launch of more than 150k subscribers before WoW.  When WoW sold out their 175,000 initial boxs within the first week of release, it was a shockwave that PC Gaming world had not seen before in regards to MMORPGs.  Thanks to the success of WoW, games like WAR, AoC, AION, etc are able to sell many several hundred thousand more than WoW did.
The difference is that while WoW initially sold 175k copies, it has steadily grown to over 12 million subscribers we have today.  For what ever reason, new released games are failing miserably at concurrent subscriber rates.  Some of the rare exceptions to this include WoW, LOTRO, and EVE.  It's obvious that Blizzard, Turbine, and CCP are doing something right and the rest of these companies are having difficulties duplicating their success.

 

 

Another thing to note is this: WoW should have sold more! They stopped sending boxes - told retailers to stop selling, because they wanted to get the server problem under control.
 

GUILD WARS 2 vs AION ????????????????????? Who will win NCsoft's heart?

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by Robsolf

It is interesting to see where Aion and CO are sitting in box pricing, already.  $25.99 for either title, after less than 2 months?  It usually takes about 6 months to hit those prices.  There's obviously some overstock out there.

 

Is that price accurate?  Is Aion really selling for $26 now?

 

My mistake, it's $22.99 right now...

http://www.amazon.com/Aion-Tower-Eternity-Steelbook-Pc/dp/B000VL4J9Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1257785740&sr=8-1

 

 

Those are private retailers. Gamestop and Best buy still have both games at $49.99. Newegg has them at $46.99 but that's their usual price for new games.

Not sure how that matters.  You have 2-3 high rep resellers on Amazon selling the game NIB for $22-24.99.

I'm not picking on the game, I'm just sayin', you don't normally see those kinds of prices for months.  Even a relative flop like WAR was still around $30 several months out.

I know this because that's generally how I buy MMO's... wait til' they're cheap enough where you're almost getting the box for free(15-20 bucks plus free month).

While it would be very unrealistic to deny the fact Aion is loosing players now compared to the first month it is not unpredicatble ether.

Anyone could have told you the first 3-4 months after a game launches are the worse. Unhappy people complain, happy people just play the game and get high level,and those of us in the middle ether leave or try to enjoy it.

Aion will not by any means have as many active players in the US as WoW. The same way Lineage 2 Did not have a massive number of players in the US but in Asia was a massive success.

I expect Aion to do just fine for itself at the end of the year sitting happy with 250,000-350,000 ACTIVE  subscribers, which is no small number by any means.

Aion is going to be a successful mmorpg, and its going to be just fine (In the same category as EQ2 & FFXI)  just not by the standards of those who are putting it up against WoW.

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by Robsolf

It is interesting to see where Aion and CO are sitting in box pricing, already.  $25.99 for either title, after less than 2 months?  It usually takes about 6 months to hit those prices.  There's obviously some overstock out there.

 

Is that price accurate?  Is Aion really selling for $26 now?

 

My mistake, it's $22.99 right now...

http://www.amazon.com/Aion-Tower-Eternity-Steelbook-Pc/dp/B000VL4J9Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1257785740&sr=8-1

 

 

Those are private retailers. Gamestop and Best buy still have both games at $49.99. Newegg has them at $46.99 but that's their usual price for new games.

 

Not sure how that matters.  You have 2-3 high rep resellers on Amazon selling the game NIB for $22-24.99.

I'm not picking on the game, I'm just sayin', you don't normally see those kinds of prices for months.  Even a relative flop like WAR was still around $30 several months out.

I know this because that's generally how I buy MMO's... wait til' they're cheap enough where you're almost getting the box for free(15-20 bucks plus free month).

There are also other private retailers with similar ratings selling it for over $50, one even as high as $58.99.

What I'm trying to say here is that just because a few private individuals on Amazon's marketplace are selling it for $22, it doesn't mean that that's the recommended box price, which is what the first post I quoted implied. Everywhere else--Gamestop, Newegg, Bestbuy, EBGame, even regular Amazon for that matter--the box price is still going for $45+.

Is the game losing players? Absolutely! But I don't think that it's as bad as you're claiming.

BTW, I'm far from an Aion fanboi, I just don't agree with your opinion about that whole Amazon thing.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by Robsolf

It is interesting to see where Aion and CO are sitting in box pricing, already.  $25.99 for either title, after less than 2 months?  It usually takes about 6 months to hit those prices.  There's obviously some overstock out there.

 

Is that price accurate?  Is Aion really selling for $26 now?

 

My mistake, it's $22.99 right now...

http://www.amazon.com/Aion-Tower-Eternity-Steelbook-Pc/dp/B000VL4J9Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1257785740&sr=8-1

 

 

Those are private retailers. Gamestop and Best buy still have both games at $49.99. Newegg has them at $46.99 but that's their usual price for new games.

 

Not sure how that matters.  You have 2-3 high rep resellers on Amazon selling the game NIB for $22-24.99.

I'm not picking on the game, I'm just sayin', you don't normally see those kinds of prices for months.  Even a relative flop like WAR was still around $30 several months out.

I know this because that's generally how I buy MMO's... wait til' they're cheap enough where you're almost getting the box for free(15-20 bucks plus free month).

There are also other private retailers with similar ratings selling it for over $50, one even as high as $58.99.

What I'm trying to say here is that just because a few private individuals on Amazon's marketplace are selling it for $22, it doesn't mean that that's the recommended box price, which is what the first post I quoted implied. Everywhere else--Gamestop, Newegg, Bestbuy, EBGame, even regular Amazon for that matter--the box price is still going for $45+.

Is the game losing players? Absolutely! But I don't think that it's as bad as you're claiming.

BTW, I'm far from an Aion fanboi, I just don't agree with your opinion about that whole Amazon thing.

Well, if you skip back through my handful of posts here, you'll see I'm not really saying it, either.  Matter of fact, most of my earlier posts were pretty much what you're saying; the number on, say, Xfire are indicative of a TREND, but the play number getting cut in half doesn't mean half the player base cancelled.

Besides, an excess number of boxes on the market (as I think the cheap resellers indicate)doesn't say anything at all about player retention.  It just means that fewer people bought the game than production targetted.

Personally I think, when all is said and done, the game will be significantly profitable.

Who really cares if Aion overtakes WoW?  If it does then the ppl playing it will still play it if it doesnt then I am sure they will still play it.  Aion isnt going anywhere, ppl will still play it,  stats will still be made up for the good or bad and the world will still go on.  PPL grow up

Originally posted by dacofty

Who really cares if Aion overtakes WoW?  If it does then the ppl playing it will still play it if it doesnt then I am sure they will still play it.  Aion isnt going anywhere, ppl will still play it,  stats will still be made up for the good or bad and the world will still go on.  PPL grow up

The most wise comment, even if it isn't something hard to think up. 

People in general just have a tendency of stirring up reactions from others to basically satisfy a thurst.  It's similar to an individual craving certain foods at a particular time. 

Guess not everyone can be a Buddha or a Christ.  If you understand what I'm trying to say...