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  spiritoso

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Joined: 11/08/09
Posts: 2

 
11/08/09 9:17:52 AM#1

If you visit the Aionsource forums, the players are very ticked off. They have an entire section for Reviews and Critiques and the entire section is negative. The one post there that was supposed to be positive on the 5 reasons Aion will dethrone WoW has also turned into a massive flame war and bicker fest. There are a few who do still enjoy it, however there is an overwhelming tone of negativity about the game in general.

 

http://www.aionsource.com/forum/reviews-critiques/

 

Most of the people I know who left WoW to play Aion have returned and can't stand the game (Aion). This is probably one of the better reviews they have there. It's one that is not designed to incite a riot, however it realistically lays out the issues with the game.

 

http://www.aionsource.com/forum/reviews-critiques/86313-my-long-awaited-sarcasam-review-if-youre-looking-buy-read.html

 

Aion had potential. It's release couldn't have been better timed since WoW has some pretty serious content issues going on. However, the game's long term success looks as though it's going to be non existent.

 

discuss...

  Tykero

Novice Member

Joined: 7/07/08
Posts: 354

11/08/09 9:25:19 AM#2
Originally posted by spiritoso

If you visit the Aionsource forums, the players are very ticked off. They have an entire section for Reviews and Critiques and the entire section is negative. The one post there that was supposed to be positive on the 5 reasons Aion will dethrone WoW has also turned into a massive flame war and bicker fest. There are a few who do still enjoy it, however there is an overwhelming tone of negativity about the game in general.

 

http://www.aionsource.com/forum/reviews-critiques/

 

Most of the people I know who left WoW to play Aion have returned and can't stand the game (Aion). This is probably one of the better reviews they have there. It's one that is not designed to incite a riot, however it realistically lays out the issues with the game.

 

http://www.aionsource.com/forum/reviews-critiques/86313-my-long-awaited-sarcasam-review-if-youre-looking-buy-read.html

 

Aion had potential. It's release couldn't have been better timed since WoW has some pretty serious content issues going on. However, the game's long term success looks as though it's going to be non existent.

 

discuss...

 

Reading WoW's forums would give one the notion that WoW was doomed to die and everybody hated the game.

 

Unsurprisingly, this isn't the case. Those that are dissatisfied are often the most vocal.

 

The game is still thriving, new content and patches are coming down the line, and overall the game is doing very well.

 

 

Edit: You might also notice that multiple of the negative threads in that forum are from the same user.

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  Kyleran

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Joined: 9/13/06
Posts: 14598

A simple truth-"What people want and what is good for an mmo is not always the same thing"-mrw0lf

11/08/09 9:25:27 AM#3

Well they certainly do have good sales numbers, particularly when compared to the misery of last year, but then again few people did well in 2008.

It was interesting to note however that over 40% of their sales revenue came from Lineage 1 and 2, and I suspect a bulk of those customers are in the far east.

One big difference, in 2008 they published sub numbers for all their games, in 2009 that practice has come to a halt unfortunately.

The real test will be in retention.  No matter what the fans tell you, traffic has died down on the servers, especially new people joining the game.

Issues at the top (crashing during sieges)  are causing many people to quit (see Paragus's blog) so all is not happy in paradise.

Compared to the performance of L1/L2, Aion is a big hit in the West, but it ceertainly is no WOW.

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  Josher

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Joined: 7/25/03
Posts: 2808

11/08/09 1:29:00 PM#4
Originally posted by Tykero
Originally posted by spiritoso

If you visit the Aionsource forums, the players are very ticked off. They have an entire section for Reviews and Critiques and the entire section is negative. The one post there that was supposed to be positive on the 5 reasons Aion will dethrone WoW has also turned into a massive flame war and bicker fest. There are a few who do still enjoy it, however there is an overwhelming tone of negativity about the game in general.

 

http://www.aionsource.com/forum/reviews-critiques/

 

Most of the people I know who left WoW to play Aion have returned and can't stand the game (Aion). This is probably one of the better reviews they have there. It's one that is not designed to incite a riot, however it realistically lays out the issues with the game.

 

http://www.aionsource.com/forum/reviews-critiques/86313-my-long-awaited-sarcasam-review-if-youre-looking-buy-read.html

 

Aion had potential. It's release couldn't have been better timed since WoW has some pretty serious content issues going on. However, the game's long term success looks as though it's going to be non existent.

 

discuss...

 

Reading WoW's forums would give one the notion that WoW was doomed to die and everybody hated the game.

 

Unsurprisingly, this isn't the case. Those that are dissatisfied are often the most vocal.

 

The game is still thriving, new content and patches are coming down the line, and overall the game is doing very well.

 

 

Edit: You might also notice that multiple of the negative threads in that forum are from the same user.

But if you read the WOW forums back at release, it wasn't a flame fest.  It was generally posititve when you weeded out the trolls..  

  Kordesh

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Joined: 1/12/06
Posts: 1731

11/08/09 1:32:28 PM#5

 Honestly, half the reason I bailed out of the game was because of the terrible community it adopted. 

Bans a perma, but so are sigs in necro posts.

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  EricDanie

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Joined: 2/10/05
Posts: 2127

11/08/09 1:41:18 PM#6

Are you advertising your aionsource threads? After all you've just registered today and have a good knowledge about those negative threads.

Anyway, at these forums the negative outside is never negative enough...

  Gabby-air

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Joined: 7/20/08
Posts: 3353

11/08/09 1:44:02 PM#7

Like they say, the broken tire always makes the most noise. Flame me if you like but i think Aion is going to be here for awhile and be a rather success.

  User Deleted
11/08/09 1:44:52 PM#8

make it short...  Aion is a money making game for NCSoft

But in the same way it not a playable game.. i think most gamers will see soon

they shutting down Dungeon Runners reason its free

 

  glofish

Novice Member

Joined: 9/06/09
Posts: 351

11/08/09 1:47:13 PM#9

Why aren't you happy that a company produced a successful  MMO?

 

Even if you don't particularly like Aion  - if you like the genre at all - you should want products in the genre to be successful otherwise whose going to make your favorite game?

 

 

 

 

  User Deleted
11/08/09 1:49:35 PM#10


Originally posted by Tykero

Originally posted by spiritoso

If you visit the Aionsource forums, the players are very ticked off. They have an entire section for Reviews and Critiques and the entire section is negative. The one post there that was supposed to be positive on the 5 reasons Aion will dethrone WoW has also turned into a massive flame war and bicker fest. There are a few who do still enjoy it, however there is an overwhelming tone of negativity about the game in general.
 
http://www.aionsource.com/forum/reviews-critiques/
 
Most of the people I know who left WoW to play Aion have returned and can't stand the game (Aion). This is probably one of the better reviews they have there. It's one that is not designed to incite a riot, however it realistically lays out the issues with the game.
 
http://www.aionsource.com/forum/reviews-critiques/86313-my-long-awaited-sarcasam-review-if-youre-looking-buy-read.html
 
Aion had potential. It's release couldn't have been better timed since WoW has some pretty serious content issues going on. However, the game's long term success looks as though it's going to be non existent.
 
discuss...



 
Reading WoW's forums would give one the notion that WoW was doomed to die and everybody hated the game.
 
Unsurprisingly, this isn't the case. Those that are dissatisfied are often the most vocal.
 
The game is still thriving, new content and patches are coming down the line, and overall the game is doing very well.
 
 
Edit: You might also notice that multiple of the negative threads in that forum are from the same user.

Actually the ones that are most dissatisfied usually just give up and move on. Many just quit without saying anything and speak with their wallets.

  Caleveira

Novice Member

Joined: 9/13/09
Posts: 563

11/08/09 1:54:35 PM#11

Flamebait, this is a lame attempt at AION bashing.

Just to make things clear...
I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.

  Lowdos

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/03/05
Posts: 629

11/08/09 1:56:28 PM#12

I think boxed sales is what matters the most to NCsoft. I'm sure they're very happy with the sales success they've had.

  User Deleted
11/08/09 2:37:34 PM#13
Originally posted by Caleveira

Flamebait, this is a lame attempt at AION bashing.

 

If nothing else, those that dislike Aion have an amazingly relentless determination for trashing the game. The passion they have for their crudade is rather impressive. 

  Gabby-air

Tipster

Joined: 7/20/08
Posts: 3353

11/08/09 2:57:38 PM#14
Originally posted by LynxJSA
Originally posted by Caleveira

Flamebait, this is a lame attempt at AION bashing.

 

If nothing else, those that dislike Aion have an amazingly relentless determination for trashing the game. The passion they have for their crudade is rather impressive. 

 

Pfft the wow haters on these forums put anyone to shame.

  Athcear

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 9/19/09
Posts: 414

Never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malice.

11/08/09 3:26:49 PM#15

Aion's major failing was their inability to create an engaging universe.  An MMO needs an immersive world that keeps you interested.  Sure, the images of angels and devils flying around in the Abyss were cool, but nothing about civilizations of the Elyos, Asmodians, or the Balaur are that fascinating.  The story is just lame.

Important facts:
1. Free to Play games are poorly made.
2. Casuals are not all idiots, but idiots call themselves casuals.
3. Great solo and group content are not mutually exclusive, but they suffer when one is shoved into the mold of the other.
4. Community is more important than you think.

  User Deleted
11/08/09 3:35:37 PM#16
Originally posted by Gabby-air
Originally posted by LynxJSA
Originally posted by Caleveira

Flamebait, this is a lame attempt at AION bashing.

 

If nothing else, those that dislike Aion have an amazingly relentless determination for trashing the game. The passion they have for their crudade is rather impressive. 

 

Pfft the wow haters on these forums put anyone to shame.

 

True :)

  parrotpholk

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/20/05
Posts: 3186

11/08/09 3:42:04 PM#17

 Its all going to be about retention not initial sales. They are impressive. I generally loved L2 but Aion was so small compared to it that I couldnt get into it. I do hope it continues to do well though here in the west as I am in hopes they release L3 here at the same time as Korea if they think the market is receptive.

  fyerwall

Advanced Member

Joined: 6/01/04
Posts: 2655

11/08/09 3:50:42 PM#18

Problem is, NCSoft (like many other companies) built up the whole Aion thing to be a massive world full of wonderful story and personality. Its like when someone sets you up on a blind date, claiming the other person is this box full of wonderful, only to find out its the same boring person you went out with last week after another friend set you up with the same promises.

The whole point is to get initial sales. Thats all these companies really care about. If you can make back at least 60% of the money spent on development in the first few weeks of release, the rest will come over time through subscriptions, no matter how small the player base gets. Once the player base gets too small then they can close the game down and just write it off because they have already made back a bulk (if not more) of the cost of development. And usually by then they have a new game already prepped for launch.

These companies gauge sales as success. The players use subscription numbers. We players know that a game isnt worth playing if there is even a hint of it not lasting more than a year, so we keep looking for the game that has a bit more staying power. NCSoft knows that no matter how bad a game is or how poorly designed it is, people will always buy it, and thats what matters to them. If the players stick around for any length of time and pay subscriptions, well thats just a bonus to them.

 

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  Ravanos

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Joined: 3/10/07
Posts: 912

11/08/09 3:52:12 PM#19

so you created this account and your first post is to bash Aion as well as say how much returning people like WoW. geez and people wonder if WoW pays people to post negative things about other games.

  User Deleted
11/08/09 3:56:07 PM#20
Originally posted by glofish

Why aren't you happy that a company produced a successful  MMO?

 

Even if you don't particularly like Aion  - if you like the genre at all - you should want products in the genre to be successful otherwise whose going to make your favorite game?

 

 

 

 

 

No truer words have been spoken

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