Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Dekron

R.I.P. U.S.A.

Yep, at least the U.S.A as we knew it. Also, I noticed even more talk of states seceding. It's up to about 33 or 35 ready to say fuck it we are out of here.

 

I'd like to see you back up that claim.

I'm simply curious of your stance on the subject. I'm not attempting to create an argument - I am genuinely curious.

What if all these states do secede?

It is within their Constitutional rights and it is within the People's Constitutional rights to throw out the government if such drastic changes are made thereby creating a completely different infrastructure and overreach of power.

No taunts, no name calling, simply an answer to a question is what I seek.

The problem with seceding is that you are severely harming those in the state that don't want to do so.  You either force them, or you make them pack up everything and leave, which isn't exactly easy to do in these economic times.

So in order to secede, that group better be damn sure they have at least 75% of the people on board or else risk a fight from not only the American government, but those within the state who aren't happy with the decision.

If all that falls into place....I honestly have no idea.  Maybe war, maybe a political war.  We'd still have all our allies, the new "Country" what would it be called?  Glennbeckistan?  Anyway, they'd have to start fresh, building a whole new infastructure, costing trillions and trillions.  Where they'd get that money I have no idea, because you'd have millions of citizens who's major political agenda is "few taxes" and the majority of American GDP comes from blue states.

Oh and you'd have to set up a whole new monetary system.  Backed by something. 

So If a group were to secede, I see them collapsing fairly quickly.  It was a lot easier to secede when the standard of living was owning a cow, a field, and a hand-made cabin.  Nowadays it's not so easy.

Hmmm after reading some of the posts..I wonder what will happen if the States said..We are breaking away from the Federal Government..Will the Federal Government send in the Troops to squash the break away?

Originally posted by hoopty

Hmmm after reading some of the posts..I wonder what will happen if the States said..We are breaking away from the Federal Government..Will the Federal Government send in the Troops to squash the break away?

If they steal resources granted to them by the Federal government or other non seceding states, then yes.

Like if they decide that they're going to keep that multi-billion dollar fleet of Aircraft paid for by the American government.

Honestly I don't see much difference with this overhaul that what's been going on already. The US taxpayer will get tea bagged on the forehead a little harder by the corp/lobby run government that's it. Illegals will still get a free ride and the drug companies will carry on business as usual.

Originally posted by Briansho

Honestly I don't see much difference with this overhaul that what's been going on already. The US taxpayer will get tea bagged on the forehead a little harder by the corp/lobby run government that's it. Illegals will still get a free ride and the drug companies will carry on business as usual.

I want to see what the senate adds/removes before I denounce or praise it.  I'm just happy something is actually happening.  There is a lot of conflicting information out there about the bill.  Some say it's forcing people to buy private insurance, others say it isn't.

All I know is that I don't want to force people who already can't afford health insurance, to buy it.  Especially if they have to buy it through a private insurer.

I'm starting to think the better thing to do now is crack down of fine print bullshit that allows health insurance companies to not provide coverage, and take care of the excessive suing that doctors have to deal with.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Briansho

Honestly I don't see much difference with this overhaul that what's been going on already. The US taxpayer will get tea bagged on the forehead a little harder by the corp/lobby run government that's it. Illegals will still get a free ride and the drug companies will carry on business as usual.

 

I want to see what the senate adds/removes before I denounce or praise it.  I'm just happy something is actually happening.  There is a lot of conflicting information out there about the bill.  Some say it's forcing people to buy private insurance, others say it isn't.

 

All I know is that I don't want to force people who already can't afford health insurance, to buy it.  Especially if they have to buy it through a private insurer.

 

I'm starting to think the better thing to do now is crack down of fine print bullshit that allows health insurance companies to not provide coverage, and take care of the excessive suing that doctors have to deal with.

wow, just wow.

everything you just posted here proves you 1. aren't paying AN"Y attention. and 2. that you don't want EXACTLY what's in this horrible bill.

you WILL be required to have it under penalty. period.

you got played like a fool. 

libs usually do.

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Briansho

Honestly I don't see much difference with this overhaul that what's been going on already. The US taxpayer will get tea bagged on the forehead a little harder by the corp/lobby run government that's it. Illegals will still get a free ride and the drug companies will carry on business as usual.

 

I want to see what the senate adds/removes before I denounce or praise it.  I'm just happy something is actually happening.  There is a lot of conflicting information out there about the bill.  Some say it's forcing people to buy private insurance, others say it isn't.

 

All I know is that I don't want to force people who already can't afford health insurance, to buy it.  Especially if they have to buy it through a private insurer.

 

I'm starting to think the better thing to do now is crack down of fine print bullshit that allows health insurance companies to not provide coverage, and take care of the excessive suing that doctors have to deal with.

 

wow, just wow.

everything you just posted here proves you 1. aren't paying AN"Y attention. and 2. that you don't want EXACTLY what's in this horrible bill.

you WILL be required to have it under penalty. period.

you got played like a fool. 

libs usually do.

Played like a fool?  I've said time and time again here that I don't want a health care bill that gives more money to private insurers. 

And yes, you will have to have it, but you won't necessarily have to pay for it if you already can't afford it.  That is what the public option is for.

Sounds to me like you're the fool.

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Briansho

Honestly I don't see much difference with this overhaul that what's been going on already. The US taxpayer will get tea bagged on the forehead a little harder by the corp/lobby run government that's it. Illegals will still get a free ride and the drug companies will carry on business as usual.

 

I want to see what the senate adds/removes before I denounce or praise it.  I'm just happy something is actually happening.  There is a lot of conflicting information out there about the bill.  Some say it's forcing people to buy private insurance, others say it isn't.

 

All I know is that I don't want to force people who already can't afford health insurance, to buy it.  Especially if they have to buy it through a private insurer.

 

I'm starting to think the better thing to do now is crack down of fine print bullshit that allows health insurance companies to not provide coverage, and take care of the excessive suing that doctors have to deal with.

 

wow, just wow.

everything you just posted here proves you 1. aren't paying AN"Y attention. and 2. that you don't want EXACTLY what's in this horrible bill.

you WILL be required to have it under penalty. period.

you got played like a fool. 

libs usually do.

Death penalty? Faxxer you're a liberal, time to come out with it.

Problem is you'll be forced to have it, like it or not.  You *will* have to pay extra for this, we all will.  So you will either have to pay for health insurance, or pay a tax fine to support everybody else.  One of the Dem congressmen said it on C-SPAN yesterday, the system can not sustain itself if everybody does not pay for it.  This is the only way they can pay for those that use healthcare the most.

With that thinking, does that not sound like private health insurance companies?  Penalize everybody in order to support those that use it the most?  Isn't that part of the reasons why our health premiums keep going up?

We want healthcare reform, just we want the right ones that'll help us fix the current system, not break it or revamp it with something completely different.  Mayo Clinic said the current medicare/medicaid system is not working because the government isn't reimbursing the doctors for treatments.  So less and less doctors are taking medicare/medicaid patients as a result.  This Bill does not address that issue, it simply expanded on the issue by having the rights to tell hospitals & doctors how much they can charge and what treatments they can give to patients.  If you think this will make our healthcare system better, you really need to better understand what's broken with the current system first.

This is about the worst possible time to be doing this, when over 15 million people are out of jobs, and the country is deep in debt.  But I guess now is the only time they could do this, because any other time nobody would buy into this government beaurocracy.

I didn't know they had finalized the bill yet?  Panic!

If folks cannot afford to insure their children then they shouldn't have children.  If you can't afford your private insurance then get the socialized government option, you can always better yourself and get another job that offers private insurance and/or pays you more so that you can buy your own private insurance.  If you don't like it move!

The doctors that complain about medicare and medicaid are often the ones that want to bill higher for their services.

How much of my tax dollar goes to the defense budget?  I don't think I ever had a say in our government spending close to a trillion dollars in the last eight years - what do we have to show for it?  More spending with no end in sight.

If the public option gets passed and a fine will be implemented if you dont have insurance, I wonder how many future college kids will vote Democrat next time.

The people that cant afford the "Public Option", what happens then?  Guess what, taxes on everyone.

Originally posted by kiddyno071

I didn't know they had finalized the bill yet?  Panic!

If folks cannot afford to insure their children then they shouldn't have children. 

Do you say the same things to mothers who pump kids out just to collect welfare checks?   Are you willing to start telling people to not have kids at all if they can't afford to even feed them?  If so, I'll support ya, let's stop sending people money just to have babies.

p.s. By the time they finalize it, it would be too late.  Thanks to Obama's campaign promises of transparency, C-SPAN coverage.  What actually happened is closed door discussions and a vote occurred when the Dems knew they would have enough votes (as they always have) to get it through.  So are you seriously telling people to not panic now because the bill in senate hasn't been finalized?  Are you aware the bill in House already got passed?   Please.

Originally posted by kiddyno071 

The doctors that complain about medicare and medicaid are often the ones that want to bill higher for their services.

 

Please study into this current, existing issue with medicare/medicaid before commenting on this further.  You have absolutely no clue.  Doctors & hospitals not getting reimbursed for medicare patients have nothing to do with not getting paid enough.  They aren't getting paid for the COST of treatment, it's the cost they have to absorb.

Please for the love of jebuz do some research before blindly support such huge government beaurocracy.  Getting your "facts" from moveon.org's daily newsletters isn't good enough.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Dekron

R.I.P. U.S.A.

Yep, at least the U.S.A as we knew it. Also, I noticed even more talk of states seceding. It's up to about 33 or 35 ready to say fuck it we are out of here.

 

I'd like to see you back up that claim.

Prove I'm wrong. LAWLS.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Briansho

Honestly I don't see much difference with this overhaul that what's been going on already. The US taxpayer will get tea bagged on the forehead a little harder by the corp/lobby run government that's it. Illegals will still get a free ride and the drug companies will carry on business as usual.

 

I want to see what the senate adds/removes before I denounce or praise it.  I'm just happy something is actually happening.  There is a lot of conflicting information out there about the bill.  Some say it's forcing people to buy private insurance, others say it isn't.

 

All I know is that I don't want to force people who already can't afford health insurance, to buy it.  Especially if they have to buy it through a private insurer.

 

I'm starting to think the better thing to do now is crack down of fine print bullshit that allows health insurance companies to not provide coverage, and take care of the excessive suing that doctors have to deal with.

 

wow, just wow.

everything you just posted here proves you 1. aren't paying AN"Y attention. and 2. that you don't want EXACTLY what's in this horrible bill.

you WILL be required to have it under penalty. period.

you got played like a fool. 

libs usually do.

 

 

Played like a fool?  I've said time and time again here that I don't want a health care bill that gives more money to private insurers. 

And yes, you will have to have it, but you won't necessarily have to pay for it if you already can't afford it.  That is what the public option is for.

 

Sounds to me like you're the fool.

What's the matter with you?  Did you eat one too many 'Big Mickey's?'

Did you stop by gossage grill one too many late night?

Town of broad streets and narrow minds indeed

Originally posted by xanphia

Is it funny that you will already have to pay fines for not having car insurance? But, no you won't raise that fact. Instead you'll bitch that you have to have insurance now. I didn't see you bitching months ago when your car insurance bill was due. You guys are seriously stupid fucks.

Also, FDR passed massive legislation when the nation was in a depression, some that really helped our nation and allowed us to grow. I wonder why the government passes laws when the people need them most...hmmm. I mean Bush passed the Patriot Act when the people thought they needed the government for protection. Interesting how government works....

You guys are so right! Obama is evil!

Prove it <---to Fishermage because he is honestly the biggest douche on these forums.

Since when have I commented on car insurance?

I'm against fines for refusing car insurance too.

That's the difference between leftist positioning/thought and people that think different.

Leftists want to force you into something and then we have people who think choice and/or incentives should give people a more free approach.

I'm for lower government as possible that at least gives the chance of all the above not happening and people should be able to run their own lives.

Lastly using FDR is a very poor example. Members of his own party united with the Conservative Coalition to prevent further increased future damage. Increased private industry for the war effort had a strong factor in the economic recovery. Increased regulation/rules against the private sector act against that today.

(Or businesses abandon the United States altogether sadly)

I'm personally against the more evasive measures of the Patriot Act. (wiretapping, electronic tracking, etc.) Besides we have treason/laws against murder to carry out for people that knowingly kill others Americans under such manner. I'm not against security measures though.

Another difference with me is I don't always agree with my party and reserve rights for independent thought.

If nothing is wrong with Obama then why did he have so much trouble passing his agenda for his own party? They have the majority. Ah I forgot. The opposition within the party is supposed to be closet Republicans.

When you can't immediately succeed with your plans as a leftist always blame a group till you can.  Political correctness at work.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Scalebane

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by Fishermage

However, back to the actual topic -- if the children are done showing how butthurt they are by the vast numbers of times I made them look like fools -- all by simply winning an argument, something that has little meaning to me but they all seem to take so very very personally.

 

It takes one to know one.

guess i was right

 

Nah, you are just another one of the many little boys here who post here who can't stand that there are people who simply know more than you do.

It is very interesting that the ones who can't handle me are all of the same generation. Generation Insecure.

I'm starting to find it rather strange how quick some people are to attack you.  I know you have mentioned this before, but lately its more evident.   That usually come from being defeated, seen this poor sportsmanship many times.

I'm sure they'll call me a Fishermage Fanboi or something similar just for posting this, predictable behavior for some of them.

 

Hey, it's all in good fun -- at least for us. They take it all so very very seriously and get so upset. Sore losers. As I said, meet Generation Insecure. Arrogant in their ignorance, raised by the internet without any real knowledge, and they KNOW it. That is why when someone comes along who actually knows shit -- they quiver and quake and get oh so VEWWWY ANGWY.

Oh, and there are plenty of trly smart people in their generation -- those I have had some good arguments with. We are however dealing with a pandemic of ignorance and insecurity.

 

Prove that this generation is insecure and not just mocking those who are full of themselves.

 

Well, I certainly can't prove it about the whole generation, but I have more than sufficiently proven it where you are concerned.

Here's a great site based on a book about you poor ignorant souls:

www.dumbestgeneration.com/home.html

Not sure if it'll be "too much reading" for you, but its a good book. He makes a good case for what I am saying here. You certainly help prove the rest.

It is interesting that your big beef with me is not that I am wrong, but that I am "full of myself." That smacks of insecurity. a truly confident individual doesn't really care if other people are arrogant. No, that comes from fear and insecurity.

This generation is the reason they had to dumb down the video games. <sigh>

Originally posted by Aetius73

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Scalebane

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by Fishermage

However, back to the actual topic -- if the children are done showing how butthurt they are by the vast numbers of times I made them look like fools -- all by simply winning an argument, something that has little meaning to me but they all seem to take so very very personally.

 

It takes one to know one.

guess i was right

 

Nah, you are just another one of the many little boys here who post here who can't stand that there are people who simply know more than you do.

It is very interesting that the ones who can't handle me are all of the same generation. Generation Insecure.

I'm starting to find it rather strange how quick some people are to attack you.  I know you have mentioned this before, but lately its more evident.   That usually come from being defeated, seen this poor sportsmanship many times.

I'm sure they'll call me a Fishermage Fanboi or something similar just for posting this, predictable behavior for some of them.

 

Hey, it's all in good fun -- at least for us. They take it all so very very seriously and get so upset. Sore losers. As I said, meet Generation Insecure. Arrogant in their ignorance, raised by the internet without any real knowledge, and they KNOW it. That is why when someone comes along who actually knows shit -- they quiver and quake and get oh so VEWWWY ANGWY.

Oh, and there are plenty of trly smart people in their generation -- those I have had some good arguments with. We are however dealing with a pandemic of ignorance and insecurity.

 

Prove that this generation is insecure and not just mocking those who are full of themselves.

 

Well, I certainly can't prove it about the whole generation, but I have more than sufficiently proven it where you are concerned.

Here's a great site based on a book about you poor ignorant souls:

www.dumbestgeneration.com/home.html

Not sure if it'll be "too much reading" for you, but its a good book. He makes a good case for what I am saying here. You certainly help prove the rest.

It is interesting that your big beef with me is not that I am wrong, but that I am "full of myself." That smacks of insecurity. a truly confident individual doesn't really care if other people are arrogant. No, that comes from fear and insecurity.

This generation is the reason they had to dumb down the video games. <sigh>

Yup, the NGE generation :(

Thanks for taking the topic of the post away from the the starting story.

Always debate you're point to the best of you're abilities.  The moment you start calling others out is the moment that you're point you are debating loses its merit.  Stay on topic and civil about things please.

Originally posted by Muirin

Thanks for taking the topic of the post away from the the starting story.

Always debate you're point to the best of you're abilities.  The moment you start calling others out is the moment that you're point you are debating loses its merit.  Stay on topic and civil about things please.

I made a post specifically about the topic, and then the butthurt children attacked. Go after them, not me.