Blizzard never lies. I was told this by someone who knows. They just make overtures and allude to things.

Originally posted by Ranyr

Originally posted by Brib0ne

Originally posted by Ibluerate

Honestly?

You're pathetic...

It's two pets...

Not armor and XP boosts...

 

You're naive

It's been a slippery slope for this game, and we all knew it was a matter of time.  After Activision's acquisition you could clearly see the game was going to be trashed and RMTs, cashgrabs, and in-game changes would come.

I love all the fanbois: "that will never happen"  It's happening, don't be surprised when they start offering armor for cash..

Glad I left that sinking ship.

 Wow. Your post is chock full of generalizations that you can't possibly know for sure.

He's not naive, you're just irrational. Blizzard will never offer an item that gives benefits for real life money. Even the Collector's editions always come with non-game-impacting items.

Never? You got their promise, in writing, signed by all the head decision makers at Blizzard that it will never happen, under any circumstances? May I see that, please?

It's childish to care about RMT when it has no impact on ANYONE's gameplay. If you want it you buy it, if you don't then you don't.

No impact on anyone's gameplay? Really? How about the people who'd like those items, but enjoy obtaining such things purely through gameplay, such as a quest, etc? I guess they don't matter in your version of "anyone"? How about the people who are on limited budgets who play MMOs because $15 a month is very cheap compared to other pastimes, but can't justify spending an extra $10 on an in-game pet, even if they might like to have one? I guess they don't matter in your version of "anyone"?

I could go on with examples.

That's why blanket generalizations are best avoided; because it's seldom a person can ever truly speak for anyone other than themself.

You don't get into guilds based on your companion pets, you don't down bosses because of a companion pet, you don't win pvp because of a companion pet.

Because those are the only things that matter to anyone and everyone in a MMO, right? Or are you projecting your own perspective on everyone else again?

Grow the hell up kids, tired of you teenagers whining. Get a job.

Here's a better idea: How about you get the hell over yourself and lose the arrogance?

Also, while you're at it, stop with the generalizations? At least speaking for myself, not everyone here is a "kid" nor unemployed. Further, people are *disagreeing* and voicing their own opinions... Dismissing it as "whining" because you disagree is nothing short of ignorant.

Believe it or not, there's an entire world beyond your own nose, filled with people who have opinions different from your own. They're not all kids, and they're not all unemployed.

Originally posted by NeuroXl

very true .. and to each their own ...

 

regardless if they all veer towards this trend or not i do not see mmo having a problem finding customers i guess its just a matter of personal preference

and for free to play or free mmos period i agree that this isnt a problem and should be expected .. im talking about mmo you buy retail or buy to download and then pay sub fees for

Well, blizzard is doing it, and its 11M players don't seem to have a problem. In fact, the vanity pet seems to be very popular. I have seen a high percentage of players on my server having them.

In fact, I don't have a problem. Those two pets are done very well with good animation. I bought them the day they are out.

It is a free world. Blizzard is free to put up whatever they want to sell, and we are free to choose to buy or not.

Good job Blizz!!! Haters can go live in a communist country while the rest of us enjoy capitalism.

 I'm glad they finally did it. Now I finally have an excuse to /ragequit the entire genre, should I ever want to.

"Slippery slope" is a good term. You know, most MMOs cost around 50-60 dollars, the base game, right? And that's new ones, you can buy EQII for 20 bucks, and that's with everything included. WoW costs around 70 or 80, if you buy both expansions. Blizz has been milking you for a while now.

Originally posted by Goronian

 I'm glad they finally did it. Now I finally have an excuse to /ragequit the entire genre, should I ever want to.

"Slippery slope" is a good term. You know, most MMOs cost around 50-60 dollars, the base game, right? And that's new ones, you can buy EQII for 20 bucks, and that's with everything included. WoW costs around 70 or 80, if you buy both expansions. Blizz has been milking you for a while now.

Its around $50 for wow and its expansions..........

Originally posted by Frostbite05

Originally posted by Goronian

 I'm glad they finally did it. Now I finally have an excuse to /ragequit the entire genre, should I ever want to.

"Slippery slope" is a good term. You know, most MMOs cost around 50-60 dollars, the base game, right? And that's new ones, you can buy EQII for 20 bucks, and that's with everything included. WoW costs around 70 or 80, if you buy both expansions. Blizz has been milking you for a while now.

 

Its around $50 for wow and its expansions..........

Let's see... Base game - 20 bucks. BC - 30 bucks. WotLK - 40 bucks. That's 90 bucks total. Or you could save 10 bucks and buy battle chest for 40 + WotLK for the same 40 bucks. Awesome!

Here's my link, in case you're wondering - us.blizzard.com/store/browse.xml

Oh, and if you're on European servers? Yeah, those dollars just became 1.5 times more costly, since transforming into euros. Have fun!

Originally posted by Goronian

 I'm glad they finally did it. Now I finally have an excuse to /ragequit the entire genre, should I ever want to.

"Slippery slope" is a good term. You know, most MMOs cost around 50-60 dollars, the base game, right? And that's new ones, you can buy EQII for 20 bucks, and that's with everything included. WoW costs around 70 or 80, if you buy both expansions. Blizz has been milking you for a while now.

SOE could sell EQ2 for $80 if they wanted to try, but they know damn well they wouldn't sell at that price.  Even at $20 the game doesn't sell, because it isn't very good.

Blizzard does not need to reduce the price of wow, because it has been on the top ten best selling list for something 5 years straight? 

This is basic economics. 

Originally posted by Goronian

Originally posted by Frostbite05

Originally posted by Goronian

 I'm glad they finally did it. Now I finally have an excuse to /ragequit the entire genre, should I ever want to.

"Slippery slope" is a good term. You know, most MMOs cost around 50-60 dollars, the base game, right? And that's new ones, you can buy EQII for 20 bucks, and that's with everything included. WoW costs around 70 or 80, if you buy both expansions. Blizz has been milking you for a while now.

 

Its around $50 for wow and its expansions..........

Let's see... Base game - 20 bucks. BC - 30 bucks. WotLK - 40 bucks. That's 90 bucks total. Or you could save 10 bucks and buy battle chest for 40 + WotLK for the same 40 bucks. Awesome!

Here's my link, in case you're wondering - us.blizzard.com/store/browse.xml

Oh, and if you're on European servers? Yeah, those dollars just became 1.5 times more costly, since transforming into euros. Have fun!

I stand corrected wotlk $40 the battlechest with the first expac and the original game with strategy guides.

http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Battle-Chest-Mac/dp/B000H96C9M

Check and mate.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Goronian

 I'm glad they finally did it. Now I finally have an excuse to /ragequit the entire genre, should I ever want to.

"Slippery slope" is a good term. You know, most MMOs cost around 50-60 dollars, the base game, right? And that's new ones, you can buy EQII for 20 bucks, and that's with everything included. WoW costs around 70 or 80, if you buy both expansions. Blizz has been milking you for a while now.

 

SOE could sell EQ2 for $80 if they wanted to try, but they know damn well they wouldn't sell at that price.  Even at $20 the game doesn't sell, because it isn't very good.

Blizzard does not need to reduce the price of wow, because it has been on the top ten best selling list for something 5 years straight? 

 

This is basic economics. 

There's economics, and then there's me, the player. I don't like the game much to begin with, but spending 80-90 bucks on it? More, if I want to play with my girlfriend? No, thanks, I'd rather buy one copy of Tekken 6.

Heck, I bought HoMM collection for about 20 bucks and have much more fun, than I can ever have with most released MMOs, see?

By the way, WoW is not even a "new" MMO. Even relative successes, like FFXI sell their full collections at 20 bucks, since they respect their playerbase and don't try to squeeze every last cent out of them.

P.S. And I don't hate WoW. I just don't like any part of it, that's not lore or sound/visual design.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Goronian

 I'm glad they finally did it. Now I finally have an excuse to /ragequit the entire genre, should I ever want to.

"Slippery slope" is a good term. You know, most MMOs cost around 50-60 dollars, the base game, right? And that's new ones, you can buy EQII for 20 bucks, and that's with everything included. WoW costs around 70 or 80, if you buy both expansions. Blizz has been milking you for a while now.

 

SOE could sell EQ2 for $80 if they wanted to try, but they know damn well they wouldn't sell at that price.  Even at $20 the game doesn't sell, because it isn't very good.

Blizzard does not need to reduce the price of wow, because it has been on the top ten best selling list for something 5 years straight? 

 

This is basic economics. 

Cool, so you got a degree in econ?

Originally posted by Frostbite05

Originally posted by Goronian

Originally posted by Frostbite05

Originally posted by Goronian

 I'm glad they finally did it. Now I finally have an excuse to /ragequit the entire genre, should I ever want to.

"Slippery slope" is a good term. You know, most MMOs cost around 50-60 dollars, the base game, right? And that's new ones, you can buy EQII for 20 bucks, and that's with everything included. WoW costs around 70 or 80, if you buy both expansions. Blizz has been milking you for a while now.

 

Its around $50 for wow and its expansions..........

Let's see... Base game - 20 bucks. BC - 30 bucks. WotLK - 40 bucks. That's 90 bucks total. Or you could save 10 bucks and buy battle chest for 40 + WotLK for the same 40 bucks. Awesome!

Here's my link, in case you're wondering - us.blizzard.com/store/browse.xml

Oh, and if you're on European servers? Yeah, those dollars just became 1.5 times more costly, since transforming into euros. Have fun!

I stand corrected wotlk $40 the battlechest with the first expac and the original game with strategy guides.

http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Battle-Chest-Mac/dp/B000H96C9M

Check and mate.

 

What are you dense? Are you retarded, or something? I'm the, whoops, wrong script.

-Ahem-. WoW battle chest is 40, just like I said. WotLK is another 40, which brings us to eighty. Most other MMOs are sold upwards to 60 for the full game, most of them even less. Now, that wasn't that hard, was it?

Originally posted by Goronian

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Goronian

 I'm glad they finally did it. Now I finally have an excuse to /ragequit the entire genre, should I ever want to.

"Slippery slope" is a good term. You know, most MMOs cost around 50-60 dollars, the base game, right? And that's new ones, you can buy EQII for 20 bucks, and that's with everything included. WoW costs around 70 or 80, if you buy both expansions. Blizz has been milking you for a while now.

 

SOE could sell EQ2 for $80 if they wanted to try, but they know damn well they wouldn't sell at that price.  Even at $20 the game doesn't sell, because it isn't very good.

Blizzard does not need to reduce the price of wow, because it has been on the top ten best selling list for something 5 years straight? 

 

This is basic economics. 

There's economics, and then there's me, the player. I don't like the game much to begin with, but spending 80-90 bucks on it? More, if I want to play with my girlfriend? No, thanks, I'd rather buy one copy of Tekken 6.

Heck, I bought HoMM collection for about 20 bucks and have much more fun, than I can ever have with most released MMOs, see?

By the way, WoW is not even a "new" MMO. Even relative successes, like FFXI sell their full collections at 20 bucks, since they respect their playerbase and don't try to squeeze every last cent out of them.

P.S. And I don't hate WoW. I just don't like any part of it, that's not lore or sound/visual design.

I understand what you are saying and I fully agree with you.  

At the same time I understand why the price is the way it is and the age of the game has nothing to do with it.    Five years and the game is still has 3 of the top 10 best selling, so why would anyone lower the price?

Originally posted by pepsibottle

I'm officially disgusted.

(And don't tell me it's ok because some of the money goes to a foundation, if they wanted to give money to a foundation, they should just do so without this crap).

 

kotaku.com/5397229/blizzard-starts-selling-in+game-world-of-warcraft-pets

It was only a matter of time. Blizzard has just put up a pair of in-game pets for World of Warcraft for sale on the Blizzard Store. Would you pay $10 for a Pandaren Monk or a baby Kel'Thuzad?

 

 

Blizzard previously said this:

 "The game's Terms of Use clearly states that all World of Warcraft content is the property of Blizzard Entertainment, and Blizzard does not allow 'in-game' items to be sold for real money.Not only do we believe that doing so would be illegal, but it also has the potential to damage the game economy and overall experience for the many thousands of others who play World of Warcraft for fun"

So just like John Smedley, they're full of it.

 

 

You know that sounds pretty funny to me..after all isn't Blizzard literally "rolling in dough" from Wow's proceeds..I mean in the BILLIONS????

I guess some folks never have enough money.......only trouble is  "ya can't take it with ya"   hehehehe

Personally if Blizzard has lowered their standards..1.  I don't care I don't play the game any more 2. It seems to be the way of the world these days...........these gaming companies are after all, businesses, bottom line.   Now some may be doing it for greed purposes, and some may be doing it for survival purposes *cough*SOE*cough*.....I'll say no more. :P

Originally posted by Daffid011

Companies are removing content like this to make extra money for no extra effort.  

Any company willing to sell you in game items is willing to go all the way to game affecting items. 

They just need you to roll over and get used to the idea. 

They will push the limits more and more, because they all know power items will sell more than fluff items.

 

If you think I am wrong, hope over to the SOE forums for a taste of the future. 

Best post of the thread.

Originally posted by Caleveira

If the most succesful MMO moves towards RMT the rest cant be far behind. Its great to see WOW continues its tradition of "improving" the MMO genre...

Tell me your quotations around improving was sarcasm.

Originally posted by Daffid011

SOE could sell EQ2 for $80 if they wanted to try, but they know damn well they wouldn't sell at that price.  Even at $20 the game doesn't sell, because it isn't very good.

Blizzard does not need to reduce the price of wow, because it has been on the top ten best selling list for something 5 years straight? 

 

This is basic economics. 

Sooo then... SOE can NOT sell EQ2 for 80 bones, but it can... oh but it can't....... but it can.

I can see how that's basic economics.

Originally posted by RoosterNash

Originally posted by Caleveira

If the most succesful MMO moves towards RMT the rest cant be far behind. Its great to see WOW continues its tradition of "improving" the MMO genre...

 

Tell me your quotations around improving was sarcasm.

I know Caleveira, it was his trademark sarcasm.

Originally posted by Goronian

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Goronian

 I'm glad they finally did it. Now I finally have an excuse to /ragequit the entire genre, should I ever want to.

"Slippery slope" is a good term. You know, most MMOs cost around 50-60 dollars, the base game, right? And that's new ones, you can buy EQII for 20 bucks, and that's with everything included. WoW costs around 70 or 80, if you buy both expansions. Blizz has been milking you for a while now.

 

SOE could sell EQ2 for $80 if they wanted to try, but they know damn well they wouldn't sell at that price.  Even at $20 the game doesn't sell, because it isn't very good.

Blizzard does not need to reduce the price of wow, because it has been on the top ten best selling list for something 5 years straight? 

 

This is basic economics. 

There's economics, and then there's me, the player. I don't like the game much to begin with, but spending 80-90 bucks on it? More, if I want to play with my girlfriend? No, thanks, I'd rather buy one copy of Tekken 6.

Heck, I bought HoMM collection for about 20 bucks and have much more fun, than I can ever have with most released MMOs, see?

By the way, WoW is not even a "new" MMO. Even relative successes, like FFXI sell their full collections at 20 bucks, since they respect their playerbase and don't try to squeeze every last cent out of them.

P.S. And I don't hate WoW. I just don't like any part of it, that's not lore or sound/visual design.

The old vintage sells for hundreds or thousands a bottle.  They are not even new.

My mom's own distill sells for 50cents a bottle and lucky if she can sell one ever.

So by your conclusion, my mom's bottle is good.

If by your economics you judge things by the covering price alone, then no one should ever buy a property in the prestigious district.  Everyone should erect a camp in the deserts.  After all that is free.

Originally posted by lisubab

Originally posted by Goronian

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Goronian

 I'm glad they finally did it. Now I finally have an excuse to /ragequit the entire genre, should I ever want to.

"Slippery slope" is a good term. You know, most MMOs cost around 50-60 dollars, the base game, right? And that's new ones, you can buy EQII for 20 bucks, and that's with everything included. WoW costs around 70 or 80, if you buy both expansions. Blizz has been milking you for a while now.

 

SOE could sell EQ2 for $80 if they wanted to try, but they know damn well they wouldn't sell at that price.  Even at $20 the game doesn't sell, because it isn't very good.

Blizzard does not need to reduce the price of wow, because it has been on the top ten best selling list for something 5 years straight? 

 

This is basic economics. 

There's economics, and then there's me, the player. I don't like the game much to begin with, but spending 80-90 bucks on it? More, if I want to play with my girlfriend? No, thanks, I'd rather buy one copy of Tekken 6.

Heck, I bought HoMM collection for about 20 bucks and have much more fun, than I can ever have with most released MMOs, see?

By the way, WoW is not even a "new" MMO. Even relative successes, like FFXI sell their full collections at 20 bucks, since they respect their playerbase and don't try to squeeze every last cent out of them.

P.S. And I don't hate WoW. I just don't like any part of it, that's not lore or sound/visual design.

 

The old vintage sells for hundreds or thousands a bottle.  They are not even new.

My mom's own distill sells for 50cents a bottle and lucky if she can sell one ever.

So by your conclusion, my mom's bottle is good.

If by your economics you judge things by the covering price alone, then no one should ever buy a property in the prestigious district.  Everyone should erect a camp in the deserts.  After all that is free.

I'm talking about "price being justified by the amount ef entetainment". You, however, can't grasp even that. Not much of a discussion, is it?

I'll repeat myself, WoW is overpriced. It's the single most expensive MMO on the market and it's five years old. There's no real justification for it, since, you know, most of their income comes from subscriptions. For the price of WoW I can buy myself a modern console game AND another MMORPG. Care to twist it again?