I really wonder why so many in the MMORPG community think they need to bash a game mostly based on wrong assumptions! I knew already this would happen... because yeah the game is from NCSoft, and its from Korea - and thus it will be viewed very sceptical.

Actually thats a good thing, because that reduced the amount of hype the game generated... and thats also why I think this game will grow even more over time, instead of the large initials drops we saw in many other overhyped MMOs.

We all know Korea will have a hard time successeding here... but its also the first time they made a totally polished, highly detailed new MMO with super smooth graphics... full of lovely details in every area (gestures, NPC idle animations, char creation, see steel rake instances, some of the areas backgrounds etc.....)... ! So many people were totally surprised on how well Aion runs. That leads us to one of the biggest problem in todays MMOs -> Bots

Yes the game has bots - which game doesnt have them? But its NCsoft, so we know from L2,  they will not ban them - even though Aion has nothing to do with L2.... Actually I dont know why people are telling lies about the game... but you dont need to buy Kinah for anything - this game is NOT l2 - we have bound items, we have quest rewards, we have abyss gear which you can only aquire via abyss points - there isnt more need for Kinah than you needed in WoW at the beginning....

Also if people would read the blogs of the devs, then you would see that they are working on GM 24/7 support and that they are already banning more and more bots . Surely they are still under staffed because of the underestimation of the games success. But I am very sure that it will getting better over time (at least be patient and give them time they need)... Most people like me rarely encounter bots anyway, because if you do instances, abyss, group quests in elite areas you will never encounter a bot.

The seconds thing I read is that some say its a grind in every place... which is so wrong again. Just because its not WoW where you get everything feeded into your mouth (bless god). In Aion crafting etc. actually means something. It needs dedication yes, but on the other side the items you can craft can be as valuable as the highest instance drops etc.  ! Oh and I for one never needed to grind 1 bit (I am 42 now) - there are so many group missions and quests especially in elite areas etc. - surely if you play solo and run out of quests you have to grind to get higher - well I dont mind that, the game is a MMO not a solo game. There is really enough to do to mostly avoid grinding. But yes if you want max level in a week and best gear in another week, then please go back where you came from, but dont bash the game for being a grinder,  just because there are so many things to work for.

So I really hope people's stop lying to potential customers who finally want to try another MMO, by telling them wrong informations. Give them a chance and let them try the game by themselves - nearly ALL of my friends didnt regret it and still love the game, so I really wonder why some people made it to their prime hobby to convince them not to play Aion? But I am pretty sure its just because they are afraid to see Aion succeeding... ridiculous...

Originally posted by LordDevil

I really wonder why so many in the MMORPG community think they need to bash a game mostly based on wrong assumptions! I knew already this would happen... because yeah the game is from NCSoft, and its from Korea - and thus it will be viewed very sceptical.

Actually thats a good thing, because that reduced the amount of hype the game generated... and thats also why I think this game will grow even more over time, instead of the large initials drops we saw in many other overhyped MMOs.

We all know Korea will have a hard time successeding here... but its also the first time they made a totally polished, highly detailed new MMO with super smooth graphics... full of lovely details in every area (gestures, NPC idle animations, char creation, see steel rake instances, some of the areas backgrounds etc.....)... ! So many people were totally surprised on the how well Aion run. That leads us to one of the biggest problem in todays MMOs -> Bots

Yes the game has bots - which game doesnt have them? But its NCsoft, so we know from L2,  they will not ban them - even though Aion has nothing to do with L2.... Actually I dont know why people are telling lies about the game... but you dont need to buy Kinah for anything - this game is NOT l2 - we have bound items, we have quest rewards, we have abyss gear which you can only aquire via abyss points - there isnt more need for Kinah than you needed in WoW at the beginning....

Also if people would read the blogs of the devs, then you would see that they are working on GM 24/7 support and that they are already banning more and more bots . Surely they are still under staffed because of the underestimation of the games success. But I am very sure that it will getting better over time (at least be patient and give them time they need)... Most people like me rarely encounter bots anyway, because if you do instances, abyss, group quests in elite areas you will never encounter a bot.

The seconds thing I read is that some say its a grind in every place... which is so wrong again. Just because its not WoW where you get everything feeded into your mouth (bless god). In Aion crafting etc. actually means something. It needs dedication yes, but on the other side the items you can craft can be as valuable as the highest instance drops etc.  ! Oh and I for one never needed to grind 1 bit (I am 42 now) - there are so many group missions and quests especially in elite areas etc. - surely if you play solo and run out of quests you have to grind to get higher - well I dont mind that, the game is a MMO not a solo game. There is really enough to do to mostly avoid grinding. But yes if you want max level in a week and best gear in another week, then please go back where you came from, but dont bash the game for being a grinder,  just because there are so many things to work for.

So I really hope people's stop lying to potential customers who finally want to try another MMO, by telling them wrong informations. Give them a chance and let them try the game by themselves - nearly ALL of my friends didnt regret it and still love the game, so I really wonder why some people made it to their prime hobby to convince them not to play Aion? But I am pretty sure its just because they are afraid to see Aion succeeding... ridiculous...

Its strange to read a truthful rational post on these forums. You sir will get flamed by the haters soon, but just let me say i agree with every word you said.

I have one observation towards the OP.

Kinah is probably the most important resource for somebody that is on the levelling phase of the game. Skill books, gathering skills, crafting skills and wings are among the things that somebody will be spending a lot of kinah to advance. For those not careful enough, repurchasing their experience loss is also a considerable kinah drain. Transportation costs also add up, when people move around a lot.

 It is a well written post but don't forget, Aion to you is fun and highly polished but to others it could appear differently. I don't play Aion (I don't like the anime look to the chars and combat) but it does look pretty decent. Unfortunately there appears to be situations in game, which you bring up, that are game breaking for some people. 

The unsatisfied are always more vocal than the happy.

I would be wary of calling people liars, that will just annoy and bring out the flamers and your post could be lost in pointless name-calling and flaming. To some, the game is not polished (to their own expectations of course) and so they will say so, and as its opinion, they are not really lying, merely stating their opinion, different to yours.

Enjoy your game

Just curious to know, has NCsoft released any sort of subscription numbers after the first free month yet ?

Succesful yes.

Highly polished yes.

Fun, yes for a few weeks, this is why so many sells, but after that, Aion felt very shallow to me. Guess this is where the hate comes from, if others felt something like that.

Originally posted by Xasapis

I have one observation towards the OP.

Kinah is probably the most important resource for somebody that is on the levelling phase of the game. Skill books, gathering skills, crafting skills and wings are among the things that somebody will be spending a lot of kinah to advance. For those not careful enough, repurchasing their experience loss is also a considerable kinah drain. Transportation costs also add up, when people move around a lot.

I agree here you need the basic Kinah for death, skill books and surely for crafting etc. ! It will also feel very expensive at the beginning, though it evens out later on... But well if Kinah would be useless the market would be dead too - and I dont think it would be good for a MMO to make money totally useless? I think its at a fine balance - people who buy Kinah will always buy them anyway - as we see they even buy Gold in WoW - even though some may wonder for what :)

Death penalty may appear costly at first, but luckily it helps reducing the amount of death people are facing... and I always hated games where death means nothing and dying was used for teleportation.... Also once you get to the higher level you will see that the death penalty is very low anyway...

I agree with the OP, and I'm not even playing the game (or planning on it).

However, why did you fall into the trap yourself and start bashing WoW? Seems counterproductive to the point you are trying to make...

Originally posted by altairzq Guess this is where the hate comes from, if others felt something like that.

Nah the hate on here mostly comes from people that never touched the game

Originally posted by LordDevil

I really wonder why so many in the MMORPG community think they need to bash a game mostly based on wrong assumptions! I knew already this would happen... because yeah the game is from NCSoft, and its from Korea - and thus it will be viewed very sceptical.

Actually thats a good thing, because that reduced the amount of hype the game generated... and thats also why I think this game will grow even more over time, instead of the large initials drops we saw in many other overhyped MMOs.

We all know Korea will have a hard time successeding here... but its also the first time they made a totally polished, highly detailed new MMO with super smooth graphics... full of lovely details in every area (gestures, NPC idle animations, char creation, see steel rake instances, some of the areas backgrounds etc.....)... ! So many people were totally surprised on the how well Aion run. That leads us to one of the biggest problem in todays MMOs -> Bots

Yes the game has bots - which game doesnt have them? But its NCsoft, so we know from L2,  they will not ban them - even though Aion has nothing to do with L2.... Actually I dont know why people are telling lies about the game... but you dont need to buy Kinah for anything - this game is NOT l2 - we have bound items, we have quest rewards, we have abyss gear which you can only aquire via abyss points - there isnt more need for Kinah than you needed in WoW at the beginning....

Also if people would read the blogs of the devs, then you would see that they are working on GM 24/7 support and that they are already banning more and more bots . Surely they are still under staffed because of the underestimation of the games success. But I am very sure that it will getting better over time (at least be patient and give them time they need)... Most people like me rarely encounter bots anyway, because if you do instances, abyss, group quests in elite areas you will never encounter a bot.

The seconds thing I read is that some say its a grind in every place... which is so wrong again. Just because its not WoW where you get everything feeded into your mouth (bless god). In Aion crafting etc. actually means something. It needs dedication yes, but on the other side the items you can craft can be as valuable as the highest instance drops etc.  ! Oh and I for one never needed to grind 1 bit (I am 42 now) - there are so many group missions and quests especially in elite areas etc. - surely if you play solo and run out of quests you have to grind to get higher - well I dont mind that, the game is a MMO not a solo game. There is really enough to do to mostly avoid grinding. But yes if you want max level in a week and best gear in another week, then please go back where you came from, but dont bash the game for being a grinder,  just because there are so many things to work for.

So I really hope people's stop lying to potential customers who finally want to try another MMO, by telling them wrong informations. Give them a chance and let them try the game by themselves - nearly ALL of my friends didnt regret it and still love the game, so I really wonder why some people made it to their prime hobby to convince them not to play Aion? But I am pretty sure its just because they are afraid to see Aion succeeding... ridiculous...

Maybe because "fun" is relative. You could list features of any given game until you're blue in the face but none of that matters if you don't like it. Since these forums are specifically designed for people to express themselves in, you should not be surprised when someone says they hate X game and someone says they love Y game.

I personally think Jane Seymour is a Goddess but I have no doubt many people would disagree. Some people think Aion is the end all and be all of MMORPG's but I have no doubt many people would disagree. Can I stop beating this dead horse of an argument now?

Originally posted by altairzq

Succesful yes.

Highly polished yes.

Fun, yes for a few weeks, this is why so many sells, but after that, Aion felt very shallow to me. Guess this is where the hate comes from, if others felt something like that.

Surely I  understand that the game may appear shallow to some. We had one in our legion too who didnt have any more solo quests left and was a bit stuck at the time... But once we took him with us on some rift and abyss fights - or once he started to really get into the crafting system... he got many new motivations and stopped talking that he thinks this game is just a new polished copy of something. We even have some old wow players in our legion one of them said once he got to abyss and did start to PvP he really felt a drastic change in the usual gameplay - he said thats definately something new. The limited strategic way with flying in abyss adds a completly new way of PvP.

Many will disagree with me here... and well its up to them - there is no game for everyone - nor will there ever be. But since I started to do a lot of PvP I have to say too that PvP in Aion is totally new than in all the others MMO I have played so far and can really make you addicted (it may look totally different though for peopel who cant get into pvp at all)... - at least we are having a blast :)

Originally posted by LordDevil  at least we are having a blast :)

All that counts.

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by altairzq Guess this is where the hate comes from, if others felt something like that.

 

Nah the hate on here mostly comes from people that never touched the game

I know this is a thing that most people say and it's cherised by the fans of the game but how do you actually know that?

I never criticise anything I haven't tried before, and often I have been wrongly accused of not having tried what I'm criticising and honestly I think it's just because it's a good argument to "disarm" the other person but nothing else.

I think that ignoring problems of the game or claiming they ain't as bad as they actually are is as worse as making up problems or claiming they are bad than it's the case. In both cases you give people a false impression.

I think one of the reasons why there is so much dislike to Aion is, that the game got incredbly high ratings while delivering nothing new, having quite some problems and a lot of "features" that are questionable (great for some, bad for others). When MMORPGs that actually try something new are rated down because of that, and MMORPGs which deliver the same stuff as ever get the highest ratings, then it is no wonder that some people start to feel some dislike towards the game.

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by altairzq Guess this is where the hate comes from, if others felt something like that.

 

Nah the hate on here mostly comes from people that never touched the game

 

I know this is a thing that most people say and it's cherised by the fans of the game but how do you actually know that?

I never criticise anything I haven't tried before, and often I have been wrongly accused of not having tried what I'm criticising and honestly I think it's just because it's a good argument to "disarm" the other person but nothing else.

thats why i say mostly, i didnt say you didnt play it, but i know posters here that bashed it from the start and never touched it

Originally posted by maji

I think that ignoring problems of the game or claiming they ain't as bad as they actually are is as worse as making up problems or claiming they are bad than it's the case. In both cases you give people a false impression.

I think one of the reasons why there is so much dislike to Aion is, that the game got incredbly high ratings while delivering nothing new, having quite some problems and a lot of "features" that are questionable (great for some, bad for others). When MMORPGs that actually try something new are rated down because of that, and MMORPGs which deliver the same stuff as ever get the highest ratings, then it is no wonder that some people start to feel some dislike towards the game.

Well I know what you mean, but if you ask most of the players who like Aion, they will tell you that Aion is indeed different, even though it may not feel apparent at first. A game is very fastly thrown into the general treadmill -> They play it for a short time, make up their mind and start to write bad opinions about the game. And I am pretty sure that Aion 1-25 doesnt feel quite differently than e.g. WoW felt in its beginning.

However here in Europe the critics are much better though... and I think if more reviewers would play MMOs a bit deeper they would even see that Aion definately has a very unique game play. The abyss battles may not be for everyone thats for sure. But for people who love to do solo and group pvp, I am pretty sure they can agree that Aion feels totally different and new in this regard... ! Many of our legion didnt have so much fun in pvp in a long time....

Surely its always a matter of taste, and I know that many total unique mmos like Darkfall, MO etc. got rated down by the reviewers... but thats proably simply because if the game feels so unfinished and has major flaws, its hard to rate them better.

to the OP...

perhaps ppl went to the aionsource forums and realized the community's shit, so bad infact that it makes this community look like the Brady Bunch in comparison. 

Although the caliber of AionSource's community isn't necessarily indicative of that of the game's, from my intial month worth's experience with the game, it certainly felt like only a slight step-up from WoW's.

The game is extremely polished though!

Honestly, for me, it just got boring. I have a problem with most any game that doesn't keep up either on pacing or strategy side. Very much so have yet to see a game that actually manages to balance both well. The latter half of Aion was interesting, but very far from what I'd call a challenge or fun for the long term.

In other words, I'm sure it's a good game, just ain't for me.

Aion is not fun, if you call repetive grinding fun then I guess it is fun. the game got old to me around level 26 or so. I just lost interest and stoped logging in till my acct cancelled, then I uninstalled and probally won't ever go back to aion.