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while we are on the subject, and since you're reading this Famine, have a look at these
1. did sieges that were unplayable, lost and got a little pissed off so posted this (february) I'm not gona rant, and I can't express how pissed off I am. Why, after all this time waiting (when did the game come out?????)???? Why even after these patches we still can't do the damn sieges which are, you have to admit, one of the main attractions of this game...???? S.O.R.T I.T O.U.T damn !:mad result? Dear SirPaco, You have received a warning at Age of Conan Europe Forums. Reason: Hello Warning for excessive ranting Ranting is posting irate and normally non-constructive comments. It's normally used to let out frustration, but also as a form of trolling so please calm down and be considerate when posting on the AoC forums. Regards yes it WAS ranting but you make big mistakes in game and dont let your customers express themselves about them in game forums?
got another one for
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Yes it was not constructive, but can you not say hi on forum? And if you can't is it worht warning someone for it? lol
this one is funny
Reason: Flaming/Trolling Infraction for flaming and trolling Quote: they bring level 69s and 70 and gank in kesh omg how bm !
It was spanish guild and we were having a bit of fun. On this subject, how can you allow WTF (which means what the fuck) and not allow hijos de putas (which most people don't understand?)
Got a BIG one for this one
Hey, I'm not an attention seeker, and I don't care for trolling, flaming or such. (as some people do on the UN-official Fury forum (((which by the way is fun to read))) But this forum has almost been dead for the past few weeks, and this is supposed to be on one of the most populated servers? There was quite a bit of activity today, (yes !!! omfg, at least 2 discussions with people replying in the same day!!!!) Interesting discussion with members of fury interacting and having a bit of fun. I almost started to feel a sense of community. Obviously, when someone gets his thread deleted, he gets frustrated, but this isn't about me, I honestly couldn't care less. To be quite polite and respectfull of rules and regulations, I don't give an "intercourse". But now I understand why hardly anyone bothers to post here anymore. And the unofficial forum, which I thought was a bit silly at first, well I totally understand why it was made. Why did you delete the thread? You don't want people to know that fury players believe their server is empty? Go warn me, or even ban me, it just means I'll do more work at the office. And to the question ---> please send pm, I have a straight answer for you ----> you never answer them Kind regards etc,
Then Funcom makes an anniversayr event and gets everyone to go to conan castly. Everyone deos that, in fact there are like 10 instances there full of people waiting and waitinf, then nothing happens and Funcom announces on official forums that they were expecting the anniversayr event to be held organised and run by the players. Trust me MANY people got warned that day, including me
Reason: Flaming/Trolling Infraction for flaming and ranting on the AoC forums
You think all of us are role playuers and gona shoot fireworks with a 8 hour cooldown? please excuse my flame but this really REALLY sucked
Next one, I was very pissed off but tried using humour
Dear SirPaco, However this is not, and I mean intercoursing not the case now. Before the patch, the murder point distribution was pretty much fixed. Now, lowbie attacks me, he turns red, I kill lowbie, I GET INTERCOURSING MURDER POINTS!!!! I made a petition in game and have been waiting since it happened now (well playing but you know what I mean) for intercoursing over 5 hours now. F I V E hours! So I get this message Which is nice, and thought it was ok for the FIRST 3 HOURS. But 5 HOURS of waiting time is taking the urination. This is bull excrement, I'm almost a murderer for defending myself. I don't think you're average player will stay connected that intercoursing long on a week night. I hear there's a hotfix coming up soon. Plz fix this ASA intercoursing P
GM finally contacted me, here's message : [Censored|Game Master]: I understand. I'm very sorry for the trouble. Thank you for reporting this issue to us. last one that got me banned was warranted, I deserved to get banned for it
Originally Posted by SirPaco View Post YES I'm questioning moderation in public, YES I think you're an idiot, YES I KNOW I'm a gona get banned again. NO I can't ****ing believe you used that lame excuse. While I'm at it, let me show a screenshot of someone exploiting in pvp not caring about it because everyone in AoC uses 3rd party programmes and Funcom don't do a **** for it. So what you going to ban me for now you ****s? Take a pick a) direct insult bitches you don't deserve any more respect than Tribunal zergers lawl
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So you going to ask me why I posted all of these? (and by the way there are a few I did not post because I was in the wrong :) ) To show you how it works. You get a few warnings, ok whatever. Something gets messed up in game, you get angry about it and want to talk about it on forum, you get warned for it. That"'s where you start getting frustrated and angry. Not only is the game not working, but you can't even express it... Then it's a vicious circle of frustration and anger which eventually leads to my last post. And you wonder why there is such a high level of Fucom haters on these forums? Because most probably originally TRIED to be constructive, maybe did one or two mistakes but eventually got shut down. Censorship and disregard breeds hate, you had it coming. 
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Originally posted by FC-Famine
Label it as spam if you want then... what can I do? See? this is why people WANT to talk about it in public, because obviously in the balance of power, YOU have it all, and the players got none. Bringing it to public, and, as you say getting others to rally with you, is a way of finding a way of excercising pressure. It's a power game and as long as everything happens "in private" the player got no chance at all. By the way, I got warned on Test Live and wanted to reply and justify what I posted but was not able to do so? WIth regards to "private" contestation, at the time, I tried to do so with Tahitoa many times and got no replies so gave up.
It's a question for the ages really. Why would we have public debates on all infractions in the community? The same would still apply with no matter what the player would always be right and the moderation would be wrong. That is why we try to have a balance system where the rules are very clear for all to understand. The question however is if the context is really against any said rule. In example, is this really spam or isn't it? You can really say that about any post in the forums that has been moderated. Is this really a flame or is he or she just joking? We must be fair on all accounts and use the best judgetment we have to issue infractions. Otherwise there would be nothing but pure havoc with people running the streets killing other players with swords and rusty blades! I've personally overturned dozens of infractions due to mistakes or misunderstanding either from my end (Funcom) or from the other moderators. They happen all the time and most of the time it's due to the player questioning the moderation. No one is perfect and mistakes will happen. That's why I advocate to message your moderator because you do have a worthy chance for a second review even if it ended in a suspension. No one ever gets bad marks for making mistakes on the moderators end. Hope this helps!
I tried PM many times, no answer and on Test Live you are not ALLOWED to PM the mods, they are entirely DISABLED.
Of course, why would we have a public debate about it, that is pushing it to the extreme, but like I said in my earlier post, your method is breeding much hate. I'm serious, people actually hate you and your mods.
I bet you HAVE over turned dozens of infractions due to mistakes. Your moderators are volonteers from the player base... it means they don't take responsability for Funcom, if they do what you tell them to do and that causes trouble, you can just say they were volonteers, not employees of Funcom ^^ So many people on my server became VERY frustrated at your company for this. We had a server forum which was dead. Seriously, hardly anyone posted anything. To the other extreme, of course moderation IS necessary, in our case, I have a good example. Someone made a "unofficial" forum which promised NO MODERATION AT ALL. It became very successfull very fast but also got killed very fast by excessive flaming. No one posted there after that eitehr. So it IS a question of balance, but for the past months, and currently, the balance is towards the Nazzi side of the scale if you ask me.
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11/05/09 8:26:43 AM#23
Originally posted by SirPaco
Yeah it's always the case with forums. It's generally the only outlet to vent off about the game. A lot of people in the industry will agree that if players are happy then they are more than likely not on the forums talking rather than playing. :D We understand people do get upset and want to vent about it on the forums. Then on top of that, if you're more of ranting guy like I am then you get moderated down to size. It's all typical stuff and very normal stuff. I never read a very long unconstructive rant and automatically put the player on some secret hate list. Yet that doesn't mean it belongs on the forums either. This is another catch 22 when dealing with feedback in the official forums. How far should we take it until the point that every post is filled with longwinded jibberish hate filled rants on what's totally broken with the game or what we should be focusing on with the next updates before people stop reading the forums? It's a hard one to call because if you enforce constructive posting (i.g: nicer form of rant that has more structure and can be discussed civil) as we do then it makes posting and discussing a bit more accepting to everyone in the community. I've done lots of research on this myself. I can say a number of communities within the industry are very restricting as well. It's very hard to find the true 'freedom of speech' type outlets where you can vent it all out to the organization. These have really been long gone now but replaced with a more accepting form of communication rulesets like constructive posting and structured suggestions. In that, we will try to address anything you throw at us on the forums. The more constructive the better because it gives us a better understanding of the problem and a easier approach to addressing it. Glen ''Famine'' Swan |
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RavingRabbid
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Joined: 10/11/09
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11/05/09 8:29:15 AM#24
Best advice I can give you is not to post. Do you really have to post on the AOC forums? I played for several months and never posted. Dont worry about what other people are doing and just play the game. (AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH The Raving Rabbid becomes a 1 man raid against Vistrix...and wins!) Everyone on MMORPG.com before every thread put the letters IMO as you and I dont speak for the gaming community or anyone else. Playing: SWTOR, Eve Online, and World of Tanks. |
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11/05/09 8:30:57 AM#25
Originally posted by RavingRabbid
That's why I post here because I know you post here RavingRabbid. Glen ''Famine'' Swan |
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11/05/09 8:38:12 AM#26
tbh i think you need to try very hard to get banned on funcoms forums. i no longer play aoc but back in the day i lurked and posted ocasionally on the aoc forums and coming from soe games i can tell you its paradise. tahitoa the lead mod there is a sweetie and more often than not they will give you proper feedback on their actions and treat posters with respect. judging from the topic you were trying to discuss and your previous ban i can only conclude you are just a troll who is getting what is you deserve. |
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No mate, official forums are important! Maybe not to all players, but to many. And MANY read them without posting. Allowing forums to become too strict kils the forum, allowing a descent dose (not extreme) of freedom develops a sense of community amongst the players, which I believe is important, and I know form another post about population that you believe it's important also ;) I guess the way you look at it is by maximising forum activity? Anyway, I guess I've said what I had to say so I'm not gona repeat myself, but I really still think it's a problem to have moderators form the playerbase...
P.S. Also please keep in mind that many posts on official forums are not always adressed to funcom even if they ARE rants about Funcom.
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Originally posted by Troneas
you conclude wrong, I am not a troll and did not get what I deserve :)
and about Tahi, she was absolutely not a sweeitie. SHe played the game and posted with her own game account then asnwered her game account posts with her moderator account. She also held a crazy blog but I won't go there, to each his own.
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Agricola1
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11/05/09 8:46:14 AM#29
Originally posted by SirPaco
This is very true. Even though my post was about maturity and not the game itself, I've seen it happen many times ^^ However I guess they have a right to do that. But I've been wondering, as far as "rights" go, how can a player protect his rights? I'm not saying it is the case, but lets imagine a Moderator goes bananas and bans you for no reason (again, this is a fictional example), what can you do about it? Is there any legal prescendent? :) Do people have "rights" in a virtual world?
I think the rights you have are not much difference than the real world, for example if I owned a newspaper that you purchased every month by paying a fee to your news agents our rights are no different. You can send in letters and I choose which ones to publish or not. If you have a complaint about my newspaper you can complain to whoever you wish, however if I haven't broken the law nor infringed on your rights as the customer it's just tough. I'm not going to advertise the fact in my own magazine/newspaper that I lost 90% of my reader base in 3 months, or that I haven't delivered the articles I promised to publish or that most previous customers think my paper "suxs". I'm in business and want to make money, publishing your comments would be suicide! You do have the right to stop buying it, let others know that you think my paper sucks and why, aslong as you remain in the law I can't censor you outside of my newspaper (although I can try and all MMORPG companies do to some extent or another). Funcom official forums (or anyother companies official forums) are under no more obligation to publish facts and give honest Q&A's than any crappy gutter press gossip mag you see on the supermarket shelves. That's why I rarely post on official forums even if I subscribe to the game, for the most part I use them for tech support and asking about bugs and work arounds.
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11/05/09 8:50:31 AM#30
Originally posted by SirPaco
you conclude wrong, I am not a troll and did not get what I deserve :)
and about Tahi, she was absolutely not a sweeitie. SHe played the game and posted with her own game account then asnwered her game account posts with her moderator account. She also held a crazy blog but I won't go there, to each his own.
this doesnt mean she was not moderating properly. and as far as im concerned she can post with whatever forum handle she wants, she is a volunteer after all and probably pays to play the game like the rest of us. im sure funcom is aware of this. as far as the blog goes im not aware of it but its really beside the point. |
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I'll tell you what the point is, mister sweet Tahi lover,
the point is that there were, and are random volonteers from the player base moderating those forums, and 95% of the player base (including myself, and I admit freely) are mental :)
That's the point.
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Distopia
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Joined: 11/22/05
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11/05/09 10:59:21 AM#32
Originally posted by SirPaco I actually like the idea of players policing themselves, as long as they don't carry issues from in-game into their duties I see nothing wrong with it. You're not making a very good case for yourself though, showing us how many times you've been warned/banned only strengthens the reason you were this time. For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
Originally posted by Malickie I actually like the idea of players policing themselves, as long as they don't carry issues from in-game into their duties I see nothing wrong with it. You're not making a very good case for yourself though, showing us how many times you've been warned/banned only strengthens the reason you were this time.
good for you, if you like it :)) Many english enjoy also locals acting as policement in their council. Many don't, and I certainly do not. And I was not banned this time where did you get that from? I got warned for spaming. Lastly, who's making a case, you do that in court and I'm not defending myself from a judge here am I? Like you could do anything even if I was trying to make a case? I guess you got a pretty high image of yourself :)
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11/06/09 12:53:22 AM#34
Hello I only have couple of things to say.
I am also a player and many of the issues I encounter every day, the last thing I want is for them stay "hidden" from the Devs. Providing feedback is for the community and for us to make sure it gets to them.
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Originally posted by Aghora
I have no idea how it works since I never been a moderator. Personnaly, I think you must have to be on some kind of power trip to volonteer on a moderator. I'm not looking for respect from you, YOUR the one who should be looking for respect form the player base.
However, I do have access to the results, and those are that a very common reasons for warning/ban etc is ranting, and what does ranting mean? Basically coming from the game because something is messed up, and expressing it on the forum. Now you might not have specific instruction to censor, but I still believe that it's there. As it was pointed out before, censorship cant be illegal, on the contrary it's to be expected. However I don't think it's an ideal to work to, and in this case, playing hypocrit about it saying it doesn't exist is dis honest to say the least. 2 more points. - being polite is NOT the first rule you learn or should learn on any online community. That's extremely idealistic to say the least. I don't see why you can not be rude, especially in a mature gaming community. - I'm seriously sick and tired of this maturity obsession. Really, you can't pick your nose in game without someone yelling at you that you're some kid. You should not have a polite mature community as objective, you should try to have a fun one. The game was marketed on the "mature" concept, and it's what attracted many people, but this is taking it to far... To me, a mature community should aris naturally, not something structured by the moderators, and if YOU treat people with respect, they will naturally treat you back with respect, no need to be polite about it.
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11/07/09 11:11:33 AM#36
You should visit the ao forums if you think aoc forums are bad.. Its what aoc forums are going to turn into in a few years if aoc survives that long. The forum will become a den of the most elitist players you will ever find and they will have a grasp on all feedback issues and any new player or new views will be squashed by them. By that time all of their elite friends will be mods to protect them and shield them from all opposition. If you think that is bad I suspect a friend of mine got his account banned from me mentioning his name in a heated forum argument with one of them. His inactive in good standing account suddenly goes banned soon after I mention his name as someone else that shared a similar view. |
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looool
Banned again ! I did not last one week !!
A Message from the King ! You have been banned due to infractions. Date the ban will be lifted: 6th December 2009, 17:17
funny thing is, I have no idea why :XD
I think it's cause the game director made a post about the servers crashing saying they were working hard. He said they were having about 12 crashes a day and it wasn't something they wanted on live server :o
I replied
thank God you don't want 12 crashes a day, even if it's only 12 crashes ! but ya, thanks for info haha they ban me for that ^^
strange though, the post is still there :o
can't really think of any other reason, unless Vorbiz got mad at me for flaming him in private messages ^^
I give 15 gold to find out in game name of these noobs so I can grief them :))))
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11/09/09 8:34:27 AM#38
Well that is what happens when it comes to funcom. One piece of advise when you do get the ability to post again make sure you never mention peoples names you know in game otherwise you might end up with having your friends entire game accounts banned out of spite. |
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11/10/09 3:17:27 AM#39
Hi Baba,
I'm still out till November 22nd. That was a 3 months ban. I also have no idea what it was for. Since they don't email you giving a reason. They simply apply summary justice and courts martial. I can only assume it was for personal insults (via a pm mind you) I gave to Aghorra, about being a pve nablet, and how preposterous I found that one such as he was allowed to moderate a pvp forum. It certainly does seem he has a personal black list and an agenda of some sort. He is also a fucking liar when he states there is no Funcom policy on negativity. They delete entire posts that criticise the game, the company,the developers. Posts just vanish. And even if it's true (unlikely) he says it's up to the individual mod. Then he must realise that gagging people only encourages them to move elsewhere, to a much broader community such as this, and wash Funcom's dirty linen in public. Funcom since AoC was released have a history of lying to their customers. They had the pro-liar extraordinaire, Erling Ellinson doing the rounds lying like a bastard at release. And the lies continue. Tranca [RUS corp] |
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11/10/09 8:41:45 AM#40
Originally posted by Iplaytoomuch
You don't need to break the RoC to get banned on the official forums. All you need to do is post a couple of critical posts and you will get banned for it. It happened to me and also my friend. Neither of use used any foul language or anything like that. Our posts were were thought out and mature, just like constructive feedback is supposed to be. But I guess our posts made AoC look bad so we got banned.
You are absolutely correct about that. The post will usually get deleted and sent to the black hole of FC criticisms. I think it's the ostrich with it's head in the sand scenario......then they ban you.
www.youtube.com/watch explains it all.
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