Kordesh not only still alive but thriving under new ownership and lots of current new content and a huge client upgrade. If its a game you once liked I'd give it another look, its not quite the same game that launched but its still a great time. Have redone the whole strter setup and testing to release T2 revamp, could be worth checking out.

Guess I should add its called Istaria Chronicles of the Gifted now not Horizons anymore.

Sorry Khrymson but why should I lie, I wanted to play FF and was very disappointed? Maybe the cause of the dreadful lag I got In FF was not what I thought but they do only have servers out east and the Nvida card issue is well known. I did a google on this after it happened to me. I have a very up to date rig btw and a 8meg broadband connection.

You may not have any problems but that does not mean no one else has.

DAoC died because Mythic started ignoring thier customers and introducing patches that made huge changes in gameplay. 
Like needing way more players to play the game and complete objectives than were available.

If you got to play DAoC before Shrouded Isles you would know what I mean.  Even the classic servers don't touch on what DAoC was originally like.

No EQ?

Anyway, I don't see how some of the games on the list are there.  

Is maple story supposed to be good or something?  I've played it before, it's one of the worst games ever made.  It's one of those games for kids I think, because the amount of grinding in that game is insane.  It's not even the fact that theres a grind, but the fact that the grind is so trivial.  I mean, you just run up to random NPCs and mash your attack button, and there is little variability in NPC combat.  

It's an interesting MMORPG, but it's a horrible korean grinder.  

Not to mention there is no immersion factor in a 2D game like Maple Story.  It's too cartoony for you to feel it is real.

I guess those are the main reasons Maple Story shouldn't be listed as a good MMORPG. 

outdated graphics....

hmm well yes that is true but the thing is:

many people dream of WOW being very detailed and having a douzen other things to see than quests and such.

it is true i think though i played WOW for a test for about 2 days and i couldnt really fit myself into that world.

i am not blaming WOW for being a bad game it is just that i don't really feel interest into that sort of gameworld.

okay that seems very offtopic so lets head back to the point:

i sadly agree with the list for the fact that FFXI gets not that much attention, but we don't need this i think.

in some ways i think it is very nice to play this game cause it is a little "treasure" for people who have a lot of time.

and spoken of the graphics: well

see attached picture i think that game doesnt look bad at all.

and for the world i think you should check out youtube and search for:

FF11 Scenery there are two videos that show the relaxing site of Vana'diel

the link below is for the screenshot. still gotta figure this kind of forums out.

 oh and for the blurring of the names: i just don't want disrespect any other player.

I'm not reading through all the comments, so I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned...

You have a little bit of false info in there...Runescape - "...option for full loot pvp..." sorry but that is just not the case anymore. Dec 10, 2007 Jagex decided to remove the wilderness and free trades due to RWT problems, and in doing so got rid of the "option for full loot pvp". You can no longer loot everything that your victim was carrying (or everything but 1, 3 or 4 items). And it's rare that you get anything good from pking, during the days of the wilderness I had always made profit from going pking(even if I died, I would make back the money I lost + some later that day). However, BH craters/pvp worlds/BH worlds/etc., I have lost probably 15M-20M just in supplies, and another 20M+ in gear (mainly from getting picked off by ppl 10 lvls above me in pvp worlds ~stupid barrage + d claws..all that most ppl know how to use now adays~). But the point is, the reward for the majority of the PK's are things that mostly everyone leaves on the ground, such as low level armor/weapons/food. So your not getting tons of rune armor/weps, super pots, sharks etc. (those items made pvp profitable, pking items like dfs' and godswords were just great days).

FFXI...after reading comment here I thought I'd try the free trial.

PlayOnline. O...M...F...G...!!! What a complete disaster of a registration system/front end ROFLMFAO!  I mean, really guys??? I've not felt a disturbance in the online mmo Force like this since...NEVER! *boggle*

Anyway, get past the craptacular console craziness...several extra downloads & restarts later...FFXI is finally about to start!...?

 21438 (!!!) files to download to get the trial clent up to date. After 10 mins on my fairly fast dsl only 100 or so files d/led. I mean, WTF? ... WTF? .... WTFFFFFFFF??????

Do these marketing morons who pull this kinda shit just do it to piss potential customers off?

""Hey ya know what'd be real funny man? Let's make prospective paying customers download 2-2.5GB of client files...then let's jerk them around with the most unintuitive, convoluted online rego system we can devise & just when they think they're finally about to play the game...make them d/l another 2GB+ of files to get the client up to date!"

Do the total idiots who set up these trials stop to think for just 1 second that maybe, just maybe, this is costing them potential customers?

Why TF do they not keep their trial clients up to date FFS!!!??? (or at least in the same year as the release version!)

<utterly, totally bewildered & disgusted>

Honestly, these games aren;t under the radar.  There's no interest in this story, I bet.  I clicked to see what I was missing only to be whacked with dated products that we've played and moved on from for a reason.

Ashen Empires.

This is a game under the radar. Best skill system ever. I dont recall ever seeing a game with such a diverse set of tradeskills. (Lumberjacking, Carpentry, foraging, planting, harvesting, baking, mixing, weaving, skinning, leatherworking, mining, smithing,... etc.)

Grab a blueberry seed, plant the seed, cast nurish to help it grow faster and more plentiful, take your harvest of blueberries and bake them into blueberry muffins that increased your stats when eaten.

You know if they dropped the price on DAOC I would go back to it and so would many others. I think thats the problem the rush from warfailure would be like a hurricane hehe so they won't do it.

Originally posted by Russaria

I'll add one, Haven and Hearth, a 2 man developed indy mmo. Alpha stage but not too many bugs and the gameplay is so, unique, that it's instantly took me away from my Ragnarok and Atlantica addiction for days since I found it. Complicated, intense crafting and settlement game, very nice and a very relaxing and unique change of pace.

LOL, So I went to Haven and Hearth website and looked at the screenies...OMG, this game looks like it was developed in 1993.  You gotta be kidding me.
 

Originally posted by Fritoman

Originally posted by Russaria

I'll add one, Haven and Hearth, a 2 man developed indy mmo. Alpha stage but not too many bugs and the gameplay is so, unique, that it's instantly took me away from my Ragnarok and Atlantica addiction for days since I found it. Complicated, intense crafting and settlement game, very nice and a very relaxing and unique change of pace.

LOL, So I went to Haven and Hearth website and looked at the screenies...OMG, this game looks like it was developed in 1993.  You gotta be kidding me.
 

LOL! I finally got into the FFXI trial & lo & behold! VGA-style graphics & that's being generous!!!

THE worst consolitis craptacular keyboard driven menu interface I have EVER had the displeasure to waste my time on...EVA!!!

Don't even get me started on mouse control - that is even more borked. I honestly think EOB1/2 has a better early mouse driven interface... I...kid....you...not. Or that eardrum-destroying/brain-numbing PlayOnline music - ARRRGGGHHHHHhhhh!!!!@##$%$%%^*

Stuffed if I could find a menu or system option of any sort to change any of this rubbish.

How does this utter Jap-crap uber-turd keep 50-70K subs is a complete & utter mystery to me. I would rather play an Infocom text adventure any day of the week lol! Game over.

Is it even worth trying Ragnarok guys? :-/

The game that has surprised me the most has been Runes of Magic. I know it's a F2P game, but it's by far the best I've ever tried. It makes me think that this is what WoW would have been like if Blizzard had made it a F2P game.

I'm really surprised that it's so unpopular. With a larger community, it would be amazing.

Both Ryzom and DAoC might be worth playing with an extensive, and I mean a complete overhaul, of their graphics. As far as I can tell these games had terrible graphics on release day. That's probably why they are "under the radar" in the first place. Who wants to play a game that has screenshots that look like junk?

Originally posted by Varny

Nah they all suck and arn't played anymore for a reason.

 

Not played? you do realize that Runescape and maple story have millions of players right?

 I 100% agree with you on FFXi being one of the most unsung heroes of mmorpg's. I played it for 2 years and sometimes regret leaving it for (eeecchhhhh) wow. But looking back I enjoyed myself a lot. The leveling gets a bit grindy at parts and some of the higher level questlines are completely Linkshell dependent. I was looking at the latest release of the ultimate collection, but between life and other games in full swing I simply don't have the time to invest. FFXi requires dedication to progress.

 Well i must say a fact here graphics is afactor i dotn think so look at WoW those gaem graphs suck and alot of lambs play it, gameplay nahh cause they have a different gameplay dosent mean they are bad and wath other o yes originality at least maple story is original not like that other 11 million lamb game that copied paste everithing from  games before. Lest just say you found those runescape game guys on the school cause gamers and new players arent poisoned by the "pro gamers" of mmo so they can still appreciate a game for wath is meant to be for FUN not cause its famous

A game many people didnt know about and is currently out of business sadly was Shadowbane. When that game became free to play it was the best MMORPG out there hands down. Especially if you love pvp. Had a roleplaying server for those who wanted it and 2 normal servers each with a different map. To this day Diablo 2 and Shadowbane are the only games that could hold my attention for more than 1 month.

Originally posted by Nostromo21

Originally posted by Fritoman

Originally posted by Russaria

I'll add one, Haven and Hearth, a 2 man developed indy mmo. Alpha stage but not too many bugs and the gameplay is so, unique, that it's instantly took me away from my Ragnarok and Atlantica addiction for days since I found it. Complicated, intense crafting and settlement game, very nice and a very relaxing and unique change of pace.

LOL, So I went to Haven and Hearth website and looked at the screenies...OMG, this game looks like it was developed in 1993.  You gotta be kidding me.
 

LOL! I finally got into the FFXI trial & lo & behold! VGA-style graphics & that's being generous!!!

THE worst consolitis craptacular keyboard driven menu interface I have EVER had the displeasure to waste my time on...EVA!!!

Don't even get me started on mouse control - that is even more borked. I honestly think EOB1/2 has a better early mouse driven interface... I...kid....you...not. Or that eardrum-destroying/brain-numbing PlayOnline music - ARRRGGGHHHHHhhhh!!!!@##$%$%%^*

Stuffed if I could find a menu or system option of any sort to change any of this rubbish.

How does this utter Jap-crap uber-turd keep 50-70K subs is a complete & utter mystery to me. I would rather play an Infocom text adventure any day of the week lol! Game over.

Is it even worth trying Ragnarok guys? :-/

Dont even try ragnarok if you dont like ffxi. Personally i likem both but i just dont wanna see you come up here and bash ragnarok as well so please dont play it.

Originally posted by Nostromo21

Originally posted by Fritoman

Originally posted by Russaria

I'll add one, Haven and Hearth, a 2 man developed indy mmo. Alpha stage but not too many bugs and the gameplay is so, unique, that it's instantly took me away from my Ragnarok and Atlantica addiction for days since I found it. Complicated, intense crafting and settlement game, very nice and a very relaxing and unique change of pace.

LOL, So I went to Haven and Hearth website and looked at the screenies...OMG, this game looks like it was developed in 1993.  You gotta be kidding me.
 

LOL! I finally got into the FFXI trial & lo & behold! VGA-style graphics & that's being generous!!!

THE worst consolitis craptacular keyboard driven menu interface I have EVER had the displeasure to waste my time on...EVA!!!

Don't even get me started on mouse control - that is even more borked. I honestly think EOB1/2 has a better early mouse driven interface... I...kid....you...not. Or that eardrum-destroying/brain-numbing PlayOnline music - ARRRGGGHHHHHhhhh!!!!@##$%$%%^*

Stuffed if I could find a menu or system option of any sort to change any of this rubbish.

How does this utter Jap-crap uber-turd keep 50-70K subs is a complete & utter mystery to me. I would rather play an Infocom text adventure any day of the week lol! Game over.

Is it even worth trying Ragnarok guys? :-/

 

I would just like to put the record straight....I have not played FFXI.  I was talking about that Haven and Hearth garbage that Russaria  was trying to pass off as a game.   Betcha he's one of the developers' although i don't believe there was alot of developing, looks more like a cut and paste game lol