Hello Everyone,
 

I've been a long time player and follower of this site. I am currently working on a presentation to an investor I’ve lined up who has financed my other entrepreneurial projects in the past with good results. With my project managing career coming to end (voluntarily) I am applying some of the money I made and money from outside investors to make a start up company (I have already done this twice) that develops MMORPG's.
In my presentation I would like to add a section on why my company will appeal to players. I thought that by asking what the general population wants out of a new game, I could also show that we are a company that runs on the passion of the developers and community and not on potential profits.
 

Some history:
I was 19 when Asheron's Call was released. I was hooked immediately. Of course, I went to school, got a job, and now I am in a position to return the favor the MMO community. I want to present a game that has the sandbox "feel" (if you will), of Asheron's Call, but with updated features. I was crushed when I returned to the game a while back to see what it had become. This is not an affront to AC or Turbine, but the Macroing and use of DECAL and other third party apps has all but destroyed what the game was, and should be. The game I am proposing to the investor(s) will be an "homage" to my favorite game of all time.
This is where you come in.
 

If you like, please list below, with a reasonable amount of detail, what you would like to see in a new game. Please be realistic in your requests (i.e. "We want free xp every month for subbing..."). This is a good way to get your voice heard early on. Who knows, you may be responsible for why the venture gets funded.  I have a development team lined up, they are extremely talented at what they do. They will be reading this too. I will be using select posts in my power point presentation.
 

Thank you for your replies. I will be checking back often. I want to lay the groundwork for a good rapport between the community of players and the company.
 

Once I have a clearer picture from the community and the market research team, I will present my findings and presentation to the potential investors. If (when!) the game gets picked up... I'll let you know.
 

Once again, I thank you for your input an helping me in the matter.  I hope by doing this, we all benefit.

Happy Gaming.

Sal Parvini 
 

Risk.  So that I will remain interested.

Events, PONIES, THE SKY SPLITTING UP WITH A THOUSAND DOOM-like whispers that keep going, 'lol no', and well... more cookies.

At our last meeting someone suggested that AC was not enough risk and DFO was too much.  As a solution someone proposed we have certain quests which can make some items not drop on death, this could be completed say, twice a month.  Game balance is our number one priority, so we are working out the details as to how to protect certain items.  Certain items will not be "enchantable", in the sense that they cannot be immune to loss.  Death will also include a temporary penalty in attributes and skills.  They are currently working on the math to make it less "danger aversion" and more "calculated risk" in regards to players wearing items during quests etc. 

Any proposed solutions posted here would be great!

Keep 'em coming and thanks for the post.

Sal Parvini

Originally posted by heremypet

Risk.  So that I will remain interested.

Agreed, there is practically no risk involved in current MMOs.

One thing i would love is a meaningful guild experience.  Risk on a larger scale would be appreciated.  This gives guilds a reason for bonding other than to get thru an instance.

Also a need for politics would be nice.  Sieging is a must and player built cities are of primary concern. 

Sorry for the randomness of this, just typing as i talk to someone.

Originally posted by salardc

 

Hello Everyone,
 

I've been a long time player and follower of this site. I am currently working on a presentation to an investor I’ve lined up who has financed my other entrepreneurial projects in the past with good results. With my project managing career coming to end (voluntarily) I am applying some of the money I made and money from outside investors to make a start up company (I have already done this twice) that develops MMORPG's.
In my presentation I would like to add a section on why my company will appeal to players. I thought that by asking what the general population wants out of a new game, I could also show that we are a company that runs on the passion of the developers and community and not on potential profits.
 

Some history:
I was 19 when Asheron's Call was released. I was hooked immediately. Of course, I went to school, got a job, and now I am in a position to return the favor the MMO community. I want to present a game that has the sandbox "feel" (if you will), of Asheron's Call, but with updated features. I was crushed when I returned to the game a while back to see what it had become. This is not an affront to AC or Turbine, but the Macroing and use of DECAL and other third party apps has all but destroyed what the game was, and should be. The game I am proposing to the investor(s) will be an "homage" to my favorite game of all time.
This is where you come in.
 

If you like, please list below, with a reasonable amount of detail, what you would like to see in a new game. Please be realistic in your requests (i.e. "We want free xp every month for subbing..."). This is a good way to get your voice heard early on. Who knows, you may be responsible for why the venture gets funded.  I have a development team lined up, they are extremely talented at what they do. They will be reading this too. I will be using select posts in my power point presentation.
 

Thank you for your replies. I will be checking back often. I want to lay the groundwork for a good rapport between the community of players and the company.
 

Once I have a clearer picture from the community and the market research team, I will present my findings and presentation to the potential investors. If (when!) the game gets picked up... I'll let you know.
 

Once again, I thank you for your input an helping me in the matter.  I hope by doing this, we all benefit.

Happy Gaming.

Sal Parvini 
 

The first thing that comes to my mind when reading this post is a thread similar to this, oddly about a year ago I think?  It mentioned a potential investor for an Asheron's Call style remake and he was seeking input from the community.  Needless to say, it was a hoax but the thought (even for me) worked a lot of people into a frenzy.  I get that same feeling of both curiousity, and quite honestly doubt, with this thread.

Originally posted by libranim

Events, PONIES, THE SKY SPLITTING UP WITH A THOUSAND DOOM-like whispers that keep going, 'lol no', and well... more cookies.

In regards to events, we plan on employing a full time staff to play certain key characters as perpetual live event.  The game is designed so you do not feel as though you are playing an NPC.  This will not be for "run of the mill" creatures, but as the story line unfolds, you will notice at least 5-10 staff members playing online.  These characters will have special rewards for capturing and or defeating.  I cannot divulge too much yet as we are all under NDA from our present investor, but that much I can tell you.  

Ponies:  

I assume you mean mounts.

We have something special planned for mounts.  Gone are the days of endless sprinting.  The mounts will gain abilities and skills as the character's riding skill is increased.  We have discussed game balance issues with this.  I am assured that what the programmers have in mind is nothing short of extraordinary.

As for the sky splitting open:

I have no comment on this at the present time (mostly because I dont understand what you are asking for.)

Thank you for your input,

Sal Parvini

Ok, what the hell.  Some things that are important to me:

Freedom--I don't want the game to direct me.  When I log in I want to have to decide for myself what to do not be told what to do.  This means most especially that I don't want quests to be the primary means of advancement.

Mobs which put up a fight--I may be unusual in this regard but I don't like fights that only last a few seconds.  When I fight something I want it to feel like a fight.  If I attack a giant rat at level one I want that rat to have a chance to win and I want the fight to last at least 20 seconds or more, preferably more.  And fights should only get harder and longer as I progress.  I'm sick and tired of mobs which fall over and die at the mere sight of me.

Don't pamper me---not mini-maps with glowing arrows leading me around.  No monty haul philosophy dumping upgrades on me so fast I barely notice what I'm using before I get an upgrade.  If I die punish me for my stupidity, I deserve it.  Make a hard, cruel game to stand in contrast to all the candyfloss and bright colors we've been deluged with.

Grouping--Yes, I want grouping to be important again.  Soloing should be possible but slower and more dangerous.  That way when I do solo at least I can feel some pride in it and when I want to group there will always be plenty of other people willing to group.

I could thing of more things to say but that's enough for now.

What I would like to see is the following.  No more high fantasy....people will disagre with me, ignore them, there are plenty of games for them to play. Sandbox with a story element for thoes who want it, and no short change in the story. Getting sick of the korean grinder type "In ancient times the beutiful godess created the 4 great dildo's of maximum power who created the world for no apparent reason e.t.c..e.t.c...e.t.c... yawn" There is a market for risk taking here just read the threads of any of these mmo sights and you will see growing numbers of people who are disalusioned with the current state of this industry and  the broken promisies of developers. If you a opertunity to present something that hasn't been tackled yet in an mmo I think now is the time to go for it. Be it setting or game law or game mechanics. Mmorpg's at the moment are just stagnating or trying the same old formulas. There is little or no imersion or feeling that you are lost in another world....antill you need to go the toilet and drags you back into rl where you contemplate the merits of buying a bedpan.....ummm but I digress.

I think you are approaching this wrong.

Your first step is to decide on your market. Then you can decide what risk is appropriate.
Your OP makes me think you are designing a game YOU want to play... that is more than fair enough and answers many of your questions.

Then the only thing you need to worry about is how many people will like what you like.

There is no 'maths' for what is right.  Many things will factor in including human psychology and the way all the elements of your game fit together.

Having a talented dev team does not impress me.  We have seen many talented dev teams turn out complete dogs lately.

Oh, and don't forget community management.  The instant you formally announce your game and a forum is created (make sure you launch your forum first or you will lose control right there) your community begins to form.  It is that community and those community standards that will carry over into the game.  So, if you allow your forum to be dominated by a bunch of 1337 talking fanbois then don't be surprised when those same people gank and zerg and smacktalk your customers away when (if) the game goes live.

Originally posted by salardc

Originally posted by libranim

Events, PONIES, THE SKY SPLITTING UP WITH A THOUSAND DOOM-like whispers that keep going, 'lol no', and well... more cookies.

 

In regards to events, we plan on employing a full time staff to play certain key characters as perpetual live event.  The game is designed so you do not feel as though you are playing an NPC.  This will not be for "run of the mill" creatures, but as the story line unfolds, you will notice at least 5-10 staff members playing online.  These characters will have special rewards for capturing and or defeating.  I cannot divulge too much yet as we are all under NDA from our present investor, but that much I can tell you.  

Ponies:  

I assume you mean mounts.

We have something special planned for mounts.  Gone are the days of endless sprinting.  The mounts will gain abilities and skills as the character's riding skill is increased.  We have discussed game balance issues with this.  I am assured that what the programmers have in mind is nothing short of extraordinary.

As for the sky splitting open:

I have no comment on this at the present time (mostly because I dont understand what you are asking for.)

 

Thank you for your input,

 

Sal Parvini

 

No, I didn't mean ponies as mounts.

It's post-exam period for me and my brain is teasing out words that I don't want to utter freely.

I would love to give a real constructive suggestion to your game, and I have plenty somewhere in my head... I just don't have the motivation right now, good luck on your project though.

P.S: ponies rule.

I would like to make it clear that we do not plan on "remaking" Asheron's Call. 

Our intention is to develope a new game, based on the positive aspects of a wide variety of games.  The similarities to Asheron's Call will be in spirit and feel, not content.  Most of the team members we currently have, including the marketing staff, have been chosen based on the fact that they did not have prior experience in MMO's.  We plan on implemeting many new features exclusive to out game.  This is simply me starting a grass roots "fact finding mission".  As the Project Manager for the Creative arm of the company's project, its my job to make sure that what you want implemented, within reason of course, is passed on to the actual development team.  I myself have absolutely no part of the coding, graphical design, lore, marketing etc.  

As for the guild system, we have a special "proprietary" allegiance system in mind.  Their will be certain bonuses for fighting with you guildmates.  Playing with your monarch will amplify these bonuses.  Your monarch, in return, gains bonuses for the amount guild members near him/her in battle.  There will be more on this later as things develope.  We are still working on balance issues with steamrolling through areas and pleliminary calculations show me that too much experience can be "passed up" too quickly.  We however, do not want to penelize players for playing with guild members, so efforts are being put into balancing this aspect of game play.

The monarchy system will be a major portion of the game, in regards to NPC city building, PC city/fortification building, crafting abilities and vendors.  More on this later.  Needless to say, it will behoov any guild to protect their king and castle.

Originally posted by Angorim

The first thing that comes to my mind when reading this post is a thread similar to this, oddly about a year ago I think?  It mentioned a potential investor for an Asheron's Call style remake and he was seeking input from the community.  Needless to say, it was a hoax but the thought (even for me) worked a lot of people into a frenzy.  I get that same feeling of both curiousity, and quite honestly doubt, with this thread.

He first thing I thought of was that guy claiming to be from Element Games - "somethingELMT" was his handle?  Marvin?

Then he had a spit and claimed he had ADD and some other stuff.  Then he vanished when we pointed out he was making himself look stupid.

Originally posted by salardc

 

I would like to make it clear that we do not plan on "remaking" Asheron's Call. 

Our intention is to develope a new game, based on the positive aspects of a wide variety of games.  The similarities to Asheron's Call will be in spirit and feel, not content.  Most of the team members we currently have, including the marketing staff, have been chosen based on the fact that they did not have prior experience in MMO's.  We plan on implemeting many new features exclusive to out game.  This is simply me starting a grass roots "fact finding mission".  As the Project Manager for the Creative arm of the company's project, its my job to make sure that what you want implemented, within reason of course, is passed on to the actual development team.  I myself have absolutely no part of the coding, graphical design, lore, marketing etc.  

As for the guild system, we have a special "proprietary" allegiance system in mind.  Their will be certain bonuses for fighting with you guildmates.  Playing with your monarch will amplify these bonuses.  Your monarch, in return, gains bonuses for the amount guild members near him/her in battle.  There will be more on this later as things develope.  We are still working on balance issues with steamrolling through areas and pleliminary calculations show me that too much experience can be "passed up" too quickly.  We however, do not want to penelize players for playing with guild members, so efforts are being put into balancing this aspect of game play.

The monarchy system will be a major portion of the game, in regards to NPC city building, PC city/fortification building, crafting abilities and vendors.  More on this later.  Needless to say, it will behoov any guild to protect their king and castle.

   

Forgive me for being a cynic (it's what I do) but there are some contradictions here.  How far along development are you?

A completely player-ran economy. I hear Eve has that, but I don't currently play that and not sure how it works. And when I say completely ran, I mean completely. In other words, no "soulbound" or "attuned" items to a character. I mean, does it even make sense that an item won't work for someone else after you use it? I didn't think so. I can understand having something get damaged or broken beyond repair, and then having to be thrown away. Heck, maybe a persons character can learn item repair as a profession and do away with the repair NPC's altogether! I think to control an overflow of in-game items (whether they are player-created, earned, or found) there should be professions that can break down the items to make something new. I know a lot of games have this type of profession (in WoW it's disenchanting), but why are we still forced to have soulbound items?

If the above idea was used in a game and the economy started to take a dive, it would then force a new type of group in-game. It would be a server wide group to do what they can to fix the economy. It would also give more reason to have professions that break down items to make something else....if they don't break down these items, the market will become flooded with said items.

Heck, now that I think about it, why not make a game that after real life?  I'm starting to get tired of Orcs, Goblins, Humans, Gnomes, Warriors, Rogues, Healers, and Hunter games. Like another poster said here "RISK"! Take the risk of creating a whole new MMO experience. If you make another WoW or Everquest clone, you will most likely not even be noticed. Even the space sci-fi mmo market is starting to fill up, followed up by superhero mmo's.

I'm a fan of all things unexplained or paranormal (yes, meaning ghost, ufo's, etc.). Maybe make a MMO with this kind of stuff in it. Maybe have a class that actually has psychic powers that can see an enemies special attack coming, and could even mentally pass on this information to groupmates so they can react to it as well. So yeah...go supernatural with it! Scratch my previous paragraph about a real life MMO, I like this last rambling I had even better!

I would like to see more games that reward you for surviving reather then Death penalties ALA Spellborn. 

Also I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to play an origanal Sci Fi title.  I dont want to be a space ship, I want to own one! 

Originally posted by spookydom

What I would like to see is the following.  No more high fantasy....people will disagre with me, ignore them, there are plenty of games for them to play. Sandbox with a story element for thoes who want it, and no short change in the story. Getting sick of the korean grinder type "In ancient times the beutiful godess created the 4 great dildo's of maximum power who created the world for no apparent reason e.t.c..e.t.c...e.t.c... yawn" There is a market for risk taking here just read the threads of any of these mmo sights and you will see growing numbers of people who are disalusioned with the current state of this industry and  the broken promisies of developers. If you a opertunity to present something that hasn't been tackled yet in an mmo I think now is the time to go for it. Be it setting or game law or game mechanics. Mmorpg's at the moment are just stagnating or trying the same old formulas. There is little or no imersion or feeling that you are lost in another world....antill you need to go the toilet and drags you back into rl where you contemplate the merits of buying a bedpan.....ummm but I digress.

Oh yah  and what Spookydom said!

Gyrus,

A certain amount of cynicism is healthy.

To answer your question:

We are currently at the "drawing board".  By calculations I meant that the staff, quite litterally, were calculating on pen and paper and calculator hat would happen when a group 20 guild members ran through and clear an area (we will not have instances).  They then ran the same calculations without the bonuses.  We have not created a playable world yet if that is what it sounded like I was saying.  Without further outside funding, we would never get to that point.  Most of the things we calculate are theoretical, as we do not want to have to go back and recode things (as they have explained to me).  We are still working on how to make certain aspects of our game "different" without making them too difficult to implement.  

The stage we are at now is basically fact finding, market research and preliminary calculations as to how many staff members we will need to begin the actual process next year.  We are working on gathering all of our thoughts and ideas into a central "thought bank".  We will then present a distilled plan to the investors.  If we cannot convince the investors to further fund our company, we will not be able to continue.  It's my job to present something to them that is different enough to justify them investing in an already "saturated" (to them) market.

I hope I have satisfactorily answered your questions and cleared up any confusion my previous posts may have caused.  

Please continue to give us your thoughts on anything you think you would like implemeted.  

Regards

Sal Parvini

Dont know if the thread is legit but ill bite since this is an interesting subject.

STREAMLINE. Half finshed features are a hallmark of this genre. Whatever you plan to work on will get good rep if you work on quality. Plan for worse case scenarios when drawing your budget, dont try biting more than you can chew and dont feel tempted to promise absolutely anything to a player that you havent already worked on and know for a fact you can deliver. This alone would make your game stand out. If your project is ahead of schedule and running a surplus, work on polish and nothing else. Cut out the fat, dont put in extras that dont really add to the fun. Using the same mob for different ends, other than grinding, will always beat reskinning it multiple times to no purpose. Dont be cheap about using textures, no part of your game should look drab and uninteresting, and never sacrifice quality in either gameplay or animation. Other than that is better than your game becomes genius at doing a couple of things than mediocre at a dozen.

Crafting is a good example. Ingenuity and creativity go a longer way in creating a good system than tons of cheesy icons. Your game will be better off with a simple but functional and fun way to handle this, than with the elaborate cookie cutter progression of dull tasks and uninspired mechanics. Sell your investor on the idea you can come up with better and more cost effective solutions than the industry norm and youll be halfway to getting your budget.

Originally posted by salardc
...

To answer your question:

We are currently at the "drawing board".  By calculations I meant that the staff, quite litterally, were calculating on pen and paper and calculator hat would happen when a group 20 guild members ran through and clear an area (we will not have instances).  They then ran the same calculations without the bonuses.  We have not created a playable world yet if that is what it sounded like I was saying.  ...

 

Okay, then it's not the 20 guild members you should be worried about.  It's the size of your world and the other players.

No instances is a good design choice (for me anyway - I perfer a world without instances) but it also decides many other factors.

World size and travel times should be part of your calculations... and world size will have a big influence on the size of the Dev Team you will need.

You need to look at player density and (monster) respawn times too.

You also need to decide how much PvE/PvP/RvR will be in game because this in turn will make choices for you.

I trust your team have all read Bartle's Designing Virtual Worlds?  If not - do.  Many arguements in that book are still valid and make good points to remember.

Edit: Oh and the market is certainly not saturated.  The only part of the market that is saturated is the part where companies try to 'steal' subscribers from WoW... and frankly those companies get exactly what they deserve.