Originally posted by zzvicezz

Obama's remake America BS is dead..If he was a quarter as smart as they claim he is he would have put it aside months ago. That O Arrogant Narcissism at play.

What he should have done is ignored the republicans. The gloop that has arrived at desks is largely the result of too many democrats trying to make their own appeasements to the other political party, that kind of thing never ends well. They should have had some backbone and acted uniformly but now the Monster is destroying the laboratory : /

They learn this lesson at our expense. The O-peaser is what's at play here.

Originally posted by Gazenthia

Originally posted by zzvicezz

Obama's remake America BS is dead..If he was a quarter as smart as they claim he is he would have put it aside months ago. That O Arrogant Narcissism at play.

 

What he should have done is ignored the republicans. The gloop that has arrived at desks is largely the result of too many democrats trying to make their own appeasements to the other political party, that kind of thing never ends well. They should have had some backbone and acted uniformly but now the Monster is destroying the laboratory : /

They learn this lesson at our expense. The O-peaser is what's at play here.

The dems could get this thing through without a single republican vote. They haven't managed to garner enough support amongst themselves to get this thing through. Blaming the repulicans is just a smokescreen for their own failrues.

Rofl it's amazing how still to this date you still got people thinking this is Republican's fault that the healthcare bill hasn't been passed.  If it wasn't for some level-headed Democrats, we would've gotten HR3200, which was the previous bill presented....one that if you compare to what's offered today, is a lot worse.

It's moot point to argue over this since it's all up to the politicians now.  Yes, your health, your future, and your tax dollars is up to the politicians now.  I just heard on C-SPAN where the last democrat senator who spoke for this bill quoted NY Times.  He quoted NY Times..    That's all I need to say.

Originally posted by Gazenthia

Just to keep everything in context, there are about 1 billion bills and an equal number of amendments floating around in there, not to speak of two pennies per individual who are involved in any manner regarding the discussion. If it sounds really bad to you, it probably won't get passed.

And to the guy who says he is against abortion, but might pay for it in the unlikely event that that specific amendment is passed, there are a lot of things you are taxed for or otherwise become law that infringes upon others moral and/or religious beliefs.
 

By the way, the pay or be fined thing is a Blue Dog (republican agent) Red Herring topic that you are gobbling up. That will never come to pass, if only partially because it allows for the insurance companies to charge whatever they want. the combination would more or less financially destroy the country.

 

Doing anything but tort reform only or nothing is going to financially destroy the country. We don't have the economy to support this craziness. After they get done with this they are going to hit us with Cap and Tax which will be the biggest tax increase in U.S. history. That is going to make us wonderfully compeititive with the rest of the world. The only other country in the world with a similar climate control program has 17% unemployment.

Originally posted by Sargoth

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sargoth

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sargoth

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Pelosi is a flaming idiot!!  Regardless of the WSJ editorial, which is merely their informed opinion, the government continues to demonstrate they are ineffective in really making any meaningful change.  If this current bill passes we will be left with a system that is more broken than the current tyrannical insurance cartels.  Anyone know why heath care reform could not be done through graduated measures?

 

No reason at all -- or how about take the 11 million who don't have insurance and want it, and send them a freaking CHECK. I would kick in for that, not this fascist garbage.

 

Hmm that's an interesting statement.  I take it the government would have to send them the check which would mean wealth re-distribution which is Socialism is it not? 

Fisher's for wealth re-distribution, who would have thought it? 

Careful what you concede, at little here a little there, ain't that what you preach to watch out for? 

 

Absolutely not.  I am not FOR any of this, but as always I prefer the lesser of evils. It's still totally evil, but it would be better than this.

I always advocate compromise in politics. It's always about the lesser of evils -- that's what politics IS.  And a simple welfare program is better than outright government takeover.

When I am discussing what is right and moral, I am quite clear on what I stand for, but he minute we do anything political, we are discussing evil and doing evil.

You obviously don't understand me at all.

 

Lol.   Your view of evil and evil is so screwed up it's sad.  There are other choices.  I don't know why you think that there are no more options than to take shit or a large amount of shit.  You can opt to take no shit.  Call me naive or whatever you want but I believe that only weaklings settle for the lesser of evils. 

Problem is, your still advocating a system that is full of backdoor deals and evils.  Get a clue and choose another. 

Again it seems you simply don't understand the basic concepts I am using. I am choosing several things. The first is my favorite choice -- a pure libertarian society. I have worked my whole life for this. However, as a libertarian. I recognize that others have different ideas. In that case, I would rather have shit than a large amount of shit.

If you like , you can sit on the sidelines, take no shit, and end up with a large amount of shit. I think my path is far wiser.

You are the one who is "settling" -- on the large amount of shit. You have no way to "make" something "no shit." You simply sit it out and then pucker up. I would rather be in the debate always advocating the best solution within whatever context we are in. I feel that is the difference between a sensible libertarian and an idiot.

Okay now for my challenge to you. Please define evil, show how your definition is superior to mine, and how it is SOOO superior to mine that mine is "so screwed up it's sad." Let us see if you are actually capable of making a case for a better definition than mine. let us see if you can go beyond your childish retorts and actually do better.

Let's hear your better "view of evil."

 

First off dude, chill.  Your escalating this way out of proportion.  First, I may have mistyped earlier.  But my idea was that settling for any kind of evil is ridiculous.  This is what's been happening with the government from day one.  They have taken little bits here and there because people like you are accepting the lesser evil and thinking that there is no other choice. 

Evil is subjective to your view point.  My opinion is that I find your view points laughable.  Why should I have to prove myself to you?  Prove to me that your infallible and correct.  Or why bother?  You cannot quantify any thing that I would agree with since we have different morals and view points. 

What I find funny is that you would attack me for choosing not to participate in choosing two evil routes.  By choosing the third option, nothing, I refrain from participating in a system that is corrupt.  You participate and therefore you become part of the corrupt system. 

Again you choose to use regular talking points and attacks that I have seen you use on others.  Find another gig, this ones up. 

You are always settling for evil every dime you spend, you pay for evil. Everything you do, you back and endorse evil.

However since you don't even have the courage to actually engage me, I'll let you enjoy laughing as you are to scared to actually debate. I know what I am dealing with now.

You participate in just as much evil as I do, and you don't even fight the evil as it goes on. You are basically a coward and a hypocrite.

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

You are always settling for evil every dime you spend, you pay for evil. Everything you do, you back and endorse evil.

However since you don't even have the courage to actually engage me, I'll let you enjoy laughing as you are to scared to actually debate. I know what I am dealing with now.

You participate in just as much evil as I do, and you don't even fight the evil as it goes on. You are basically a coward and a hypocrite.

You will turn on anyone and everyone no matter what.  You make assumptions about things you do not know and use tired attack stratigies for each assualt.  When you feel that you have gained the upper hand you you then revel in your glory and start calling people names. 

Tell me again why I would debate with you in a manner you have asked?  I don't even particuarly care about this whole thread.  I've just wondered if your arrogant to everyone in fair fashion and by golly you sure as hell are.  I guess by your logic if I don't want to be a coward and hypocrite I should consider you a lesser of evils and fight against you too. I mean I wouldn't have to say that if you engaged in debate instead of name calling.  Then you would just be a force for good and I would not have to choose a lesser of two evils now would I?  Starting to see how there could be a third option in all of this?  If I just listen to you, I can choose Sabians left wing ideals, or the lesser evil, your ideals but put up with your condecending attitude, arrogance and name calling. 

How about instead, I choose to leave you both because ideals without someone actually practicing them is about as worthless as a leftist attitude to government.  Or do I have to choose and participate in a system of evil? 

Originally posted by Sargoth

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

You are always settling for evil every dime you spend, you pay for evil. Everything you do, you back and endorse evil.

However since you don't even have the courage to actually engage me, I'll let you enjoy laughing as you are to scared to actually debate. I know what I am dealing with now.

You participate in just as much evil as I do, and you don't even fight the evil as it goes on. You are basically a coward and a hypocrite.

 

You will turn on anyone and everyone no matter what.  You make assumptions about things you do not know and use tired attack stratigies for each assualt.  When you feel that you have gained the upper hand you you then revel in your glory and start calling people names. 

Tell me again why I would debate with you in a manner you have asked?  I don't even particuarly care about this whole thread.  I've just wondered if your arrogant to everyone in fair fashion and by golly you sure as hell are.  I guess by your logic if I don't want to be a coward and hypocrite I should consider you a lesser of evils and fight against you too. I mean I wouldn't have to say that if you engaged in debate instead of name calling.  Then you would just be a force for good and I would not have to choose a lesser of two evils now would I?  Starting to see how there could be a third option in all of this?  If I just listen to you, I can choose Sabians left wing ideals, or the lesser evil, your ideals but put up with your condecending attitude, arrogance and name calling. 

How about instead, I choose to leave you both because ideals without someone actually practicing them is about as worthless as a leftist attitude to government.  Or do I have to choose and participate in a system of evil? 

More cowardice and more diversions. Thank you for your time.

Originally posted by Sargoth

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

You are always settling for evil every dime you spend, you pay for evil. Everything you do, you back and endorse evil.

However since you don't even have the courage to actually engage me, I'll let you enjoy laughing as you are to scared to actually debate. I know what I am dealing with now.

You participate in just as much evil as I do, and you don't even fight the evil as it goes on. You are basically a coward and a hypocrite.

 

You will turn on anyone and everyone no matter what.  You make assumptions about things you do not know and use tired attack stratigies for each assualt.  When you feel that you have gained the upper hand you you then revel in your glory and start calling people names. 

Tell me again why I would debate with you in a manner you have asked?  I don't even particuarly care about this whole thread.  I've just wondered if your arrogant to everyone in fair fashion and by golly you sure as hell are.  I guess by your logic if I don't want to be a coward and hypocrite I should consider you a lesser of evils and fight against you too. I mean I wouldn't have to say that if you engaged in debate instead of name calling.  Then you would just be a force for good and I would not have to choose a lesser of two evils now would I?  Starting to see how there could be a third option in all of this?  If I just listen to you, I can choose Sabians left wing ideals, or the lesser evil, your ideals but put up with your condecending attitude, arrogance and name calling. 

How about instead, I choose to leave you both because ideals without someone actually practicing them is about as worthless as a leftist attitude to government.  Or do I have to choose and participate in a system of evil? 

Awesome post.  I'm glad to see that people other than just those who oppose Fisher's political ideals also see him as arrogant, condescending, and smug.

Plenty of people disagree with others here, but only Fisher routinely calls people evil or some form of -ist.  (socialist, Fascist, etc.)  He'll then say he's won the argument, call anyone who proclaims he hasn't immature and ignorant, and then walk away with his nose in the air for being the only "political genius" on an MMORPG forum.

I'm glad others are seeing it.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Sargoth

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

You are always settling for evil every dime you spend, you pay for evil. Everything you do, you back and endorse evil.

However since you don't even have the courage to actually engage me, I'll let you enjoy laughing as you are to scared to actually debate. I know what I am dealing with now.

You participate in just as much evil as I do, and you don't even fight the evil as it goes on. You are basically a coward and a hypocrite.

 

You will turn on anyone and everyone no matter what.  You make assumptions about things you do not know and use tired attack stratigies for each assualt.  When you feel that you have gained the upper hand you you then revel in your glory and start calling people names. 

Tell me again why I would debate with you in a manner you have asked?  I don't even particuarly care about this whole thread.  I've just wondered if your arrogant to everyone in fair fashion and by golly you sure as hell are.  I guess by your logic if I don't want to be a coward and hypocrite I should consider you a lesser of evils and fight against you too. I mean I wouldn't have to say that if you engaged in debate instead of name calling.  Then you would just be a force for good and I would not have to choose a lesser of two evils now would I?  Starting to see how there could be a third option in all of this?  If I just listen to you, I can choose Sabians left wing ideals, or the lesser evil, your ideals but put up with your condecending attitude, arrogance and name calling. 

How about instead, I choose to leave you both because ideals without someone actually practicing them is about as worthless as a leftist attitude to government.  Or do I have to choose and participate in a system of evil? 

 

Awesome post.  I'm glad to see that people other than just those who oppose Fisher's political ideals also see him as arrogant, condescending, and smug.

 

Plenty of people disagree with others here, but only Fisher routinely calls people evil or some form of -ist.  (socialist, Fascist, etc.)  He'll then say he's won the argument, call anyone who proclaims he hasn't immature and ignorant, and then walk away with his nose in the air for being the only "political genius" on an MMORPG forum.

 

I'm glad others are seeing it.

Notice how foolish your response is. I didn't call Sargoth evil or any kind of -ist. Once again you are simply mistaken.

I have never said I am a political or any kind of genius. I am just an average guy who uses what he has. Once again you feel the need to lie about what I say. I wonder why that is?

Perhaps because you really can't challenge what I actually say.

Plus, once again, notice Sargoth's age :)

Once again, it's  a pandemic.

Like most pandemics it's not everyone under thirty by any means, but it's enough to generate books and be worth discussing.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Sargoth

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

You are always settling for evil every dime you spend, you pay for evil. Everything you do, you back and endorse evil.

However since you don't even have the courage to actually engage me, I'll let you enjoy laughing as you are to scared to actually debate. I know what I am dealing with now.

You participate in just as much evil as I do, and you don't even fight the evil as it goes on. You are basically a coward and a hypocrite.

 

You will turn on anyone and everyone no matter what.  You make assumptions about things you do not know and use tired attack stratigies for each assualt.  When you feel that you have gained the upper hand you you then revel in your glory and start calling people names. 

Tell me again why I would debate with you in a manner you have asked?  I don't even particuarly care about this whole thread.  I've just wondered if your arrogant to everyone in fair fashion and by golly you sure as hell are.  I guess by your logic if I don't want to be a coward and hypocrite I should consider you a lesser of evils and fight against you too. I mean I wouldn't have to say that if you engaged in debate instead of name calling.  Then you would just be a force for good and I would not have to choose a lesser of two evils now would I?  Starting to see how there could be a third option in all of this?  If I just listen to you, I can choose Sabians left wing ideals, or the lesser evil, your ideals but put up with your condecending attitude, arrogance and name calling. 

How about instead, I choose to leave you both because ideals without someone actually practicing them is about as worthless as a leftist attitude to government.  Or do I have to choose and participate in a system of evil? 

 

Awesome post.  I'm glad to see that people other than just those who oppose Fisher's political ideals also see him as arrogant, condescending, and smug.

 

Plenty of people disagree with others here, but only Fisher routinely calls people evil or some form of -ist.  (socialist, Fascist, etc.)  He'll then say he's won the argument, call anyone who proclaims he hasn't immature and ignorant, and then walk away with his nose in the air for being the only "political genius" on an MMORPG forum.

 

I'm glad others are seeing it.

 

Notice how foolish your response is. I didn't call Sargoth evil or any kind of -ist. Once again you are simply mistaken.

I have never said I am a political or any kind of genius. I am just an average guy who uses what he has. Once again you feel the need to lie about what I say. I wonder why that is?

Perhaps because you really can't challenge what I actually say.

Of course I can't challenge what you say, because you only speak in ideals.  

If all I did was drop in, say something was taking away liberty, called someone a name, and then revelled in my glorious defeat of evil it would be pretty hard to challenge that.  It'd be like challenging the retarded boy claims of an invisible blue dinosaur that follows him.  He'll never accept it.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Sargoth

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

You are always settling for evil every dime you spend, you pay for evil. Everything you do, you back and endorse evil.

However since you don't even have the courage to actually engage me, I'll let you enjoy laughing as you are to scared to actually debate. I know what I am dealing with now.

You participate in just as much evil as I do, and you don't even fight the evil as it goes on. You are basically a coward and a hypocrite.

 

You will turn on anyone and everyone no matter what.  You make assumptions about things you do not know and use tired attack stratigies for each assualt.  When you feel that you have gained the upper hand you you then revel in your glory and start calling people names. 

Tell me again why I would debate with you in a manner you have asked?  I don't even particuarly care about this whole thread.  I've just wondered if your arrogant to everyone in fair fashion and by golly you sure as hell are.  I guess by your logic if I don't want to be a coward and hypocrite I should consider you a lesser of evils and fight against you too. I mean I wouldn't have to say that if you engaged in debate instead of name calling.  Then you would just be a force for good and I would not have to choose a lesser of two evils now would I?  Starting to see how there could be a third option in all of this?  If I just listen to you, I can choose Sabians left wing ideals, or the lesser evil, your ideals but put up with your condecending attitude, arrogance and name calling. 

How about instead, I choose to leave you both because ideals without someone actually practicing them is about as worthless as a leftist attitude to government.  Or do I have to choose and participate in a system of evil? 

 

Awesome post.  I'm glad to see that people other than just those who oppose Fisher's political ideals also see him as arrogant, condescending, and smug.

 

Plenty of people disagree with others here, but only Fisher routinely calls people evil or some form of -ist.  (socialist, Fascist, etc.)  He'll then say he's won the argument, call anyone who proclaims he hasn't immature and ignorant, and then walk away with his nose in the air for being the only "political genius" on an MMORPG forum.

 

I'm glad others are seeing it.

 

Notice how foolish your response is. I didn't call Sargoth evil or any kind of -ist. Once again you are simply mistaken.

I have never said I am a political or any kind of genius. I am just an average guy who uses what he has. Once again you feel the need to lie about what I say. I wonder why that is?

Perhaps because you really can't challenge what I actually say.

 

Of course I can't challenge what you say, because you only speak in ideals.  

 

If all I did was drop in, say something was taking away liberty, called someone a name, and then revelled in my glorious defeat of evil it would be pretty hard to challenge that.  It'd be like challenging the retarded boy claims of an invisible blue dinosaur that follows him.  He'll never accept it.

At least I have ideals that I thought through and decided by myself. Sadly, you are simply trapped in your own conformity. Young people USE to be challenging and radical to their elders. Now the challenge you bring is to be more conformist than those older than you. Just an enforcer of the status quo, ready to try hammer down the nail that sticks out. You fail of course, but it's so sad taht this is what you are reduced to.

You really are getting more and more boring every day. You used to be at least mildly entertaining.