Originally posted by googajoob7

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by Caleveira

Originally posted by pepsibottle

Ok, wait...

So it's not hacking, gold farmers, bugs, greedy companies, RMT, bad game design, lawsuits, addiction, grinding, MMO deaths, private servers or illegal copying that will kill MMO......

but it's some random forum where .0001% of the MMO players (who often don't even play MMO) voice their opinion who are the biggest threat to MMO?

Right....just checking. How's that kool-aid working out for you?

 

Cant make a better argument than this myself...

 

I believe the OP was refering to how the site may ruin the view of New Comers to the MMORPG genre, that come to this site for reviews and feedback.
 

exactly . while there are undeiable issues in almost every mmo if these forums were to be believed  almost non of them are playable .for instance i spent 5 months in age of conan and had a great time  if you were to read these forums you would think  its dire when its actually quite a lot of fun . . if you were to believe these forums lord of the rings is boring when its actually a very good pve mmo and has the strongest rpg elements in any fantasy game . Warhammer offers some great pvp . I dont think i ve played one really bad p2p mmo some have had shakey starts admitedly and perhaps they dont have the elements to make them the next world of warcraft but all of them have something to offer .
 

Forums like these arnt helping the genre one iota .

I dont understand how this forum made 90% of the AoC players quit the game... When companies hype their games to heaven and then deliver unfinished games with missing/broken feauteres then there is no one to blame but themself.
 

I actually think this forum paints a pretty good picture about the quality of different MMOs, you just have to ignore the most extreme haters and fanboys.

OMG!  A Dingo Ate My Baby!

I'd say it was idiot developers who have lost touch.

I get what OP is trying to convey, but I disagree with what he said. The fact that a website forum could kill a genre of games is rediculous, but there is some truth here. There's a lot of negativity on these forums (I'm partly to blame)... and I know that before I try any new MMO I look on these forums (aswell as the game website) to get a glimpse of what the game is or will be like so I know if I want to spend my money. For instance, I looked forward to DF's release for years, but it got slayed on these forums so I didn't get Darkfall, and who knows maybe I would have ended up liking DF despite the haters? My point is (or OP's point) is these forums can negatively influence the gamers choice in what games to try out, maybe we should try to look at the bright side of an new upcoming MMO?  (or just try to ignore the bad side lol)

I agree that the forums are tough to get a good review from and since I'm feeling vocal I'll spit it out.

#1 Lots of posts here are put into the general discussion and not in the forum about them.

#2 Lots of posters raise their count by just making weak one liners.

#3 Way too many posters try to insult another poster by calling them names.

#4 Instead of reporting, ppl try to defend themselves like it's a schoolyard because they feel some sense of pride.

I visit plenty of forums and they don't all act like this. It's an anomaly to me why I'm still subbed here because the crowd has changed from what it was when I first came. Back then it was just a few rude folks that were easy to ignore, now it's exponentially grown. Here are some of the places I visit that never get so rowdy and they are just as big - these are their general forums. This is why I don't post daily and take breaks, I have to really want to say something at this point to login because the attitudes here have become so childish.

www.devmaster.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12

www.webdeveloper.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=30&forumid=10

forum.hackinthebox.org/viewforum.php?f=13

(This forum hides tons of subjects behind trusted user access, post some good things and you may end up in what's hidden from the public and the noise)

What we can do to improve it -

#1 Report someone breaking the rules, there must be the proper reaction to an action.

Don't feel like a narc or sorry when you do it, if they are insulting another person, not following the subject - stop letting it go. It's always the subject that can be picked apart, never the person. Take a hard line and stop letting ppl walk all over the place. The mods will get to deleting things if you give them a chance. As ppl learn that it's not acceptable here, they will stop. This is how the other forums keep their control - with the support of the visitors.

I'm not saying there should be no personality but when one person is a clown - it's a class clown.

When the whole class is a clown - it's clown college.

Aion and Champs Online, what more can I say? And you a_name well you’re a name aren’t you!!! And I never said that, read the post will you?

Do you mean something as pointless as that? :)
 

After a million  World War 2 movies, I don't feel like watching another normal WW2 movie. 

After a million MMORPG games... I don't feel the need to play more "MMORPG" games. Not only the genre is more shallow now, but I have learn to see how shallow has always been.  There are also different styles of MMORPG, but the companys insist to producing the same style of game.

The MMORPG world don't need a million WoW clones, only need 1 WoW, and 1 EVE, and 1 Planetside, and 1 "Diablo" and 1 "Baldurs Gate". 

If anything... we have to blame on the gamers than insist to play poor games, because the popularity factor. 

What is this problem so many have with discussing the negative aspects of a MMO?  The entire idea of a forum is to discuss both the good and bad in a game.  If that bothers you, don't visit any forum and be ignorant.

This is an imperfect world we live in and the games that we play are also that way.  Why are so many so uptight about discussion of such?  Wake up and smell the roses!

These forums have little effect on MMO's, but it is nice to know ahead of time the good and bad points of a game before you plunk down your money.

Originally posted by pepsibottle

Ok, wait...

So it's not hacking, gold farmers, bugs, greedy companies, RMT, bad game design, lawsuits, addiction, grinding, MMO deaths, private servers or illegal copying that will kill MMO......

 

LOL...what are you thinking? Of course it is none of that.  We are given what developers want us to play and we are supposed to just bend over and take it however they please. You are just talking nonesence...don't try blaming the companies...it is always the players fault when it comes to MMOs.

 Somehow can't find bashing and flaming in spellborn forums section, looks like only good words bout game :) . 

Originally posted by a_name

#2 Lots of posters raise their count by just making weak one liners.

 

Meh, I don't see the problem.

Originally posted by tro44_1

I believe the OP was refering to how the site may ruin the view of New Comers to the MMORPG genre, that come to this site for reviews and feedback.
 

That is the problem right there.  The best review is the one you do yourself, for yourself.  Nobody knows what you like in a game and what you consider good or not.  It's simply their opinion which holds about as much water as a bucket with no bottom.  It really doesn't matter where you go for feedback or opinions, you will NEVER find one that us completely unbiased.

It's always best to try things out for yourself and see if YOU like it.

Originally posted by jpaprocki

Originally posted by tro44_1

I believe the OP was refering to how the site may ruin the view of New Comers to the MMORPG genre, that come to this site for reviews and feedback.
 

 

That is the problem right there.  The best review is the one you do yourself, for yourself.  Nobody knows what you like in a game and what you consider good or not.  It's simply their opinion which holds about as much water as a bucket with no bottom.  It really doesn't matter where you go for feedback or opinions, you will NEVER find one that us completely unbiased.

It's always best to try things out for yourself and see if YOU like it.

Even more than that, most people who play MMOs do not read forums, and most people who come to this site do not read the forums. This forum is not the greatest threat to MMORPGs, the greatest threat is Hello Kitty Online. Get it right
 

Originally posted by Teiraa

You are right about these forums being a threat.

Every time a flame bait is posted here, god nerfs a class in an mmo .

So that explains why my damn Fire/Fire Blaster in CoH sucks so badly now.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

HAHA.

So that is why the OP was always posting negative posts about WOW in the WOW forums...

He...  thinks that posting in here influences the "future" of mmorpg's.

I look up ... and see the same  .... 242 nerds logged in every day.

That's around  0.000001% of the player's base.

This site is a kindergarden playground for a few dozen frustrated and bored MMO players.

Nothing more. And I love it.

Yep...we're tight knit community and the forums are where we 242 nerds and geeks come to do our daily nerd raging....and oh did I tell you - A dingo ate my baby!!!!!!!!!!!

The OP ruined MMO's for me! His comments made all the artwork, and gameplay unwatchable, unplayable! 

What threat? Aion is making money (I think), City of Heroes is making money, LOTRO is making money, EVE is making money,  WoW is making a bazillion dollars and has another MMO in development.

I will be real surprised if TOR doesn't make money.

The future of MMORPGs looks pretty secure. A lot will release and fail and the investors will lose all their money (Tabula Rasa) amd some will release and make a decent return on investment (ROI), and others will make a bazillion dollars.

I really dont know what the OP is getting at.  There has been alot of constructive talk on these forums over the years about all things related to MMORPGS.  If some of it is negative towards some games - Then it usually means that there is something to actually critizise.  And thats perfectly fine. 

Sadly tho - alot of talk on these forums goes into arguing with or against certain games.   Thats perfectly fine to - since ppl are looking for diffrent things. 

MMORPGS is buisness.  Most posters here on these forums realise that and know that most of the disission taken by devs and publisher companies is based on money rather than the actual game.  Forums like MMORPG.COM should become important tool in defending the right of the GAMERS - Allowing free and open talk about the games - while they are in development - in beta and after launch. 

NDA is not the friend of the gamers.  And you can argue if it is really to any benefit of the game itself.  AOC is probably the best example of a game that failed because the developers tried to prevent open discussion about the game.  Maybe because the main goal of the publisher was just to sell alot of copies before ppl realised how unfinished and broken the game was.

During the launch of AOC - there were big groups of beta testers that tried to warn ppl what was coming.  These ppl were banned here when talking negativly about the game and the posts were deleted .  At the same time posts that were more of a postive nature - true or false - were allowed to stand.  EVEN when they were breaking NDA.  Thats not acceptable in my eyes and hopefully MMORPG.COM has learned from it.

Overall - I look at MMORPG.COM as the best discussion site about the genre.  That doesn't mean its perfect.  But it will certainly not destroy the MMORPGs coming out in the future.  I think the devs and publishers can do that perfectly fine by themselfs - while they continue to realse MMOs in the standard of most games in the past 2 years.

Forums or opinions on forums have nothing to do with the future of mmo's.

unless the following is universally true.

1) You let what other people say mandate your choices.. instead of actually forming your own opinion.  Altho when I look around at stuff going on.. it seems a vast number of people are content to be sheep...

2) developers actually make choices based off the active feedback of the obvious minority...  altho I've actually seen games destroyed from this.

So hey I guess in some ways the OP is right...

MMORPG.com is the new Chuck Norris