Originally posted by Pyrostasis

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

Originally posted by xpiher

There is no point in "waiting it out" since the game is progressing and the company is growing. Games only get shut down under extreme or ridiculous circumstances. It took 5 years for SB to shut down, UO is still going strong, AO is still going, EvE came back from the brink, etc.

 

UO had EA backing it...lots of money.

SB had ubisoft backing it ...lots of money

Funcom had a good cash flow from prior game releases.

EvE almost went bankrupt... but has shown steady increase in subscriptions.

Darkfall... doesnt have the benefit of any of the above.

 

SB was free for two years. Not free with a cash shop but completely free with no income at all. Aside from testing a few ads that were universally ignored the game had no business model at all. Ubisoft put almost no money into it after the Throne of Oblivion expansion flopped. I can't even imagine what would prompt them to have kept the servers up. Don't use it as an example it was truly an anomoly in the gaming world.

 

I didnt mention SB to say that UBI soft poured money into it to develop the game, but UBI Soft definitely kept the lights on and paid for the servers. Wolfpack went under, ubisoft created a new company and put them in charge of maintaining the game... so Im not sure where the unfair comparison is?

UBI soft paid the bills for years at a loss to keep the game functioning... no idea why, probably something going on behind the scenes either an attempt to sell the game, the IP, or simply giving Stray bullet time to move closer on a project.

Regardless we should all be able to agree that with out UBI soft keeping the lights running that SB would have been gone a lot sooner than its final demise.

Wolfpack didn't go under. Ubisoft, who owned Wolfpack, laid everyone off. Stray Bullet was formed after they got the notice. The game was scheduled to close down at that time. Someone talked them out of it for a few more  months. Know one knows how. SB should have closed down within a year, two at most, after launch. Ubisoft is just strange.

Well wolfpack was originally a company that was purchased by ubi after shadowbane was released if I remember correctly after an expansion.

Thats why I said they went out of business, I assumed they werent doing so hot if their publisher purchased them. Regardless... the end result is the same.

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Originally posted by ghoul31

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Originally posted by xpiher

DFO is slowly getting more players.

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That is a blatant lie. Their x-fire ranking keeps getting lower and lower. That shows that the population keeps dropping.

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Originally posted by egotrip

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Originally posted by xpiher

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Look at EvE 6-9 months into game being released and darkfall current state. They are almost mirroed. Not only that, DFO is slowly getting more players.

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Oh, Av finally gave out some numbers on the current Darkfall population? I must ' ve missed that one.........
Can i has a linky?

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AV has also started communicating with its player base through the their new CSR staff. AV isn't going anywhere any time soon. All the things I've mentioned should make it pretty obvious that the game is profitable.

 

 

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Originally posted by egotrip

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Originally posted by xpiher

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Look at EvE 6-9 months into game being released and darkfall current state. They are almost mirroed. Not only that, DFO is slowly getting more players.

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Oh, Av finally gave out some numbers on the current Darkfall population? I must ' ve missed that one.........
Can i has a linky?

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Race Alliance chat not full, but still getting a somewhat steady stream, of new players asking newbie question like how do I rest etc. Even on the EU server.

 

AV has also started communicating with its player base through the their new CSR staff. AV isn't going anywhere any time soon. All the things I've mentioned should make it pretty obvious that the game is profitable.

So no official word? No linky ?Just another guesstimate on your behalf that we should just take as a fact ?

Well i suppose one can't teach an old dog new tricks...................

Originally posted by egotrip

 

 

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Originally posted by egotrip

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Originally posted by xpiher

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Look at EvE 6-9 months into game being released and darkfall current state. They are almost mirroed. Not only that, DFO is slowly getting more players.

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Oh, Av finally gave out some numbers on the current Darkfall population? I must ' ve missed that one.........
Can i has a linky?

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Race Alliance chat not full, but still getting a somewhat steady stream, of new players asking newbie question like how do I rest etc. Even on the EU server.

 

AV has also started communicating with its player base through the their new CSR staff. AV isn't going anywhere any time soon. All the things I've mentioned should make it pretty obvious that the game is profitable.

So no official word? No linky ?Just another guesstimate on your behalf that we should just take as a fact ?

Well i suppose one can't teach an old dog new tricks...................

Please give me an example outside of WoW and EvE were the company gives the number of subs. I bet you can't. You don't have to believe me, I don't care. You can go to the forums and see peopel asking about the game and newbie question and saying they have recently bought the game as well. Yes its anecdotal , but thats all you ever get with MMOs.

Originally posted by xpiher

 

Please give me an example outside of WoW and EvE were the company gives the number of subs. I bet you can't. You don't have to believe me, I don't care. You can go to the forums and see peopel asking about the game and newbie question and saying they have recently bought the game as well. Yes its anecdotal , but thats all you ever get with MMOs.

 

The only real evidence we have is xfire. And xfire shows that the numbers keep dropping. But since you are such an out of control fanboi , you won't admit the truth.  Thats just sad.

Originally posted by xpiher

Please give me an example outside of WoW and EvE were the company gives the number of subs. I bet you can't. You don't have to believe me, I don't care. You can go to the forums and see peopel asking about the game and newbie question and saying they have recently bought the game as well. Yes its anecdotal , but thats all you ever get with MMOs.

 

FFXI does.  Would have assumed you knew that since you have a taru in your sig :P

Originally posted by ghoul31

 

The only real evidence we have is xfire. And xfire shows that the numbers keep dropping. But since you are such an out of control fanboi , you won't admit the truth.  Thats just sad.

It has been explained to you by people on both sides of the fence why crossfire is irrelevant with representing Darkfall.

Why drag it out in every DF thread?

Originally posted by Cecropia

 

It has been explained to you by people on both sides of the fence why crossfire is irrelevant with representing Darkfall.

Why drag it out in every DF thread?

If you are go to make up lies in every thread saying that xfire is meaningless, then I am going to to correct you in every thread.

.  Darkfall will will live or die by its gameplay. Pretending that the numbers aren't falling isn't going to change anything.

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by ghoul31

 

The only real evidence we have is xfire. And xfire shows that the numbers keep dropping. But since you are such an out of control fanboi , you won't admit the truth.  Thats just sad.

 

It has been explained to you by people on both sides of the fence why crossfire is irrelevant with representing Darkfall.

Why drag it out in every DF thread?

It's xfire, it's easier to type and its the right way.

Try

www.xfire.com

then try www.crossfire.com

Originally posted by ghoul31

 

If you are go to make up lies in every thread saying that xfire is meaningless, then I am going to to correct you in every thread.

.  Darkfall will will live or die by its gameplay. Pretending that the numbers aren't falling isn't going to change anything.

I'm not saying population hasn't been going down. However it seems it's on the up this month on NA-1 (who knows though).

What people have been trying to tell you is that crossfire is a poor reflection of Darkfall's playerbase. There are a few reasons for this, not the least of which is that Darkfall does not run well with crossfire.

What lies? Don't be so dramatic.

Edit: It shall be xfire from now on, lol.

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

There's actually a new guild that was created recently called NEW which works in a very similar way as a guild in EVE (forgot the name). Basically all guilds and alliances  are friendly toward this guild and will protect it's members. The guild is composed by new players who may stay in the guild for 30 days after which they are asked to leave. During those 30 days, they can ask for help, info, etc and are less likely to be attacked by random PKers (though I believe 1 guild declared war to NEW recently but it shouldn't last that long)

This is the community's solution in order to keep the new players around.

I'm very impressed.  Where AV has failed to come up with an idea to keep the interest of new players, the players themselves have.  Is there a system in place for the guilds associated with NEW to recruit the players after the 30 days, if the players wish to join a guild?  I'm fascinated by this.  Kudos to the players of Darkfall.  I've heard some rather bad things about the community, but this just proves that not everyone in the community is like that.

Originally posted by Eneldin

Originally posted by xpiher

Please give me an example outside of WoW and EvE were the company gives the number of subs. I bet you can't. You don't have to believe me, I don't care. You can go to the forums and see peopel asking about the game and newbie question and saying they have recently bought the game as well. Yes its anecdotal , but thats all you ever get with MMOs.

 

 

FFXI does.  Would have assumed you knew that since you have a taru in your sig :P

touche, forgot about that one adnormality