---

Originally posted by miagisan

regarding the lag issue...i am getting a ton of it, so much so i find it very not fun. npcs warp in front of me out of no where, wolves hit me from afar. and looting and conversing there is a definite pause for a second or 2. And my comp is no where near bottomed out, there isnt an mmorpg i cant play on max, but this one for some reason is horrible. Maybe the server is out of sync or something, but its frustrating to the point i am going to wait to buy a few more weeks. I snagged one of those trial keys thankfully.
Controls seem a bit clunky still, a small complaint of mine. Got to level 2 but the lag is horrendous. So i cant give any further judgement on the game cause right now its not fun.
I am running:
Windows xp
gtx 280
amd 5200+
2 gigs ram
 
so i know its not my system, like i said, i can tackle any other game on max

---

Originally posted by Alanako

 

---

Originally posted by miagisan

 

regarding the lag issue...i am getting a ton of it, so much so i find it very not fun. npcs warp in front of me out of no where, wolves hit me from afar. and looting and conversing there is a definite pause for a second or 2. And my comp is no where near bottomed out, there isnt an mmorpg i cant play on max, but this one for some reason is horrible. Maybe the server is out of sync or something, but its frustrating to the point i am going to wait to buy a few more weeks. I snagged one of those trial keys thankfully.
Controls seem a bit clunky still, a small complaint of mine. Got to level 2 but the lag is horrendous. So i cant give any further judgement on the game cause right now its not fun.
I am running:
Windows xp
gtx 280
amd 5200+
2 gigs ram
 
so i know its not my system, like i said, i can tackle any other game on max

---

 That 2gb of ram are killing your system in fe, also a better cpu will help. And if you played on sunday, its a bit overpopulated

 

Yup. The lack of instancing and the way it handles draw distances means the game does an abnormal amount of preloading, It also runs better on vista than xp for some reason. Memory requirements are stiff. The game is probably hammering the crap out of your hard drive. Have you tweaked it so it's using both cores? It doesn't usually set itself up that way.

At this point, it's an average game, at best, with a lot of potential. I hope the best for it since they are at least trying out a skill system and a 1 server world.

However, they will be forced to add servers if this game adds too many more people. Already people are complaining about lag in main hubs non-stop. So lets just say I hope they refine their currently bland skill system so that it feels like something fresh and new. Oh, and remove the ridiculous amount of crafting components off of vendors. And make it more free-form instead of quest hub based. And maybe fix combat up a bit since it's clunky and over-simplified. And maybe make top level gear not be exactly the same as everyone else. I mean, no one wants to FEEL standard in an MMO that is trying to boast individuality. There needs to be more variance in effective builds too. Maybe they could work on performance for those people with top end systems that are getting more graphics lag than low end systems too. I don't know, there are just a few things to iron out and I think they'll have a solid game.

Originally posted by psymon15

 

 

Like i said, people are either going to love or hate this game depending on their first few levels of this game, and from what i've experienced, most people are going to hate it, and if they hate it at the beginning, they aren't going to stay to play the rest of your "kickass" endgame crap

 

Because you've got the pulse of the MMO world at your fingertips.

You didn't play the first few levels of the game. You played one. A single level. An early one that takes at most a few minutes. You have no experience. None. Jebus I played WoW longer than that.

What endgame? Does this game have an endgame? I sure haven't seen any. All I'm seeing is game. It's not "omgoozles the bestest game evar!" but it's a good game.

Someone smell viral marketing ::cough:: Blakavar ::cough::

Funny how someone wants to discredit the OP cuz his complaints are the same we see in other thread... Well, maybe its because they are the flaws that jump in your face the moment you start to play &, to most ppl who doesn't eat crap for breakfast, they are rather game breaking.

OP said it best in one of his reply:

"Last comment about this game, I don't disagree that this game has potential, but thus far, it's nothing more than a great game (fallout 3) that got changed into an MMO and downgraded from "AMAZING" to *shrug*."

sorry but i have tried every tweak i could find, and no its not my ram cause why would FE be the only game, and i have played a ton, including aion, aoc, eq2, EVE, etc which require much higher system requirements and i can play all of these (except eq2 which is alot more cpu intensive) on max and FE i cant. Sorry, but my system is well beyond RECOMMENDED requirements, i should be able to play this flawlessly, especially on a cable modem (tried both on and off the router, no difference).

The Game's Recommended Requirements:

Recommended Hardware
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33 GHz or equivalent
2 GB for XP, 3 GB for Vista
nVidia GeForce 8800GTS/ ATI Radeon 3870
512 MB Video Ram [2]

Mine:

AMD 64 X2 5200+ (2.6ghz)

2 GB on XP

Nvidia GTX 280

1 GB Video Ram

Cable Connection, NY (optonline)

2x500gb 10,000 rpm WD HDs

i played on and off all day friday. Wasn't sunday (i had off of work friday so i thought i would use the key i got and give it a whirl)

I could not force myself to experience this sleeping pill. If this was a single-player game I would throw it to the trash can as well.

Originally posted by psymon15

This game is so terrible...there is nothing about it unique, nothing done rather well, and is more irritating than fun.

Is it just me or does it seem like the creators of this game just took fallout 3, changed the name, made it crappy and decided to try and bank off of it.

 ......This game is just full of so much fail...I DON'T RECCOMEND ANYONE PLAY THIS GAME...for $50...if i would have know how this game actually was....I would have spent the money on something more useful...like a tank of gas and a lighter to burn this company down with.

After playing WOW for 2 years and interspersing that experience with other games like WAR, AOC, EQ2 and even trying out AION, I finally decided to check out FE with the trial key earlier this week. I had played beta and thought the game abysmal, but was looking to give it another chance. Why? I have longed for a SciFi MMO for many years (or something close to scifi, whatever, just no damn elves!) and was desperate for something fresh. I am so glad I did.  I will provide my own review of the game at a later date.
 

To the OP (because we all know your going to come back and read these posts ;) ) your points arent very well thought out.  I wont go over them point by point, as others already have, but seriously based on the above content I have quoted here, you simply sound fustrated.  No game developer makes "Bank off" a game like Fallen Earth.  FE is too unconventional and won't appeal to the masses.  If they wanted to try and make "bank" they would have produced another WOW clone.  I beleive FE is taking the route that CCP has, niche market, with a smaller, and very dedicated, fanbase.  As MMO tastes change and people look for other types of games, hopefully FE will attract that crowd, if it doesnt I beleive it will still continue to do well.  But FE simply does not have the glitz and eye candy (think AION) that would lead us to feel the devs are simply trying to only make a buck by rehashing old content.

You express fustration with the money you spent.  There is no reason to try a game out nowadays by paying for it, when there are so many free trials going on.  Patcience sir.  If money is an issue for you, just wait for the free trial or key.  It will come eventually, this is part of the genre's marketing plan. 

On a point, you discuss "storyline".  Point taken, however games like FE (and think EVE Online as well) are far more open, even sandbox (Ugh I hate that word! but whatever) in their nature.  SUre there are underlying currents of stories, but the game is really yours to make of what you will.  Right now my character (who I have decided to align with Vistas as I am a treehugger in rl) is exploring, hunting, questing and trying out different crafting.  I like the fact that most actions provide one with experience credit, this prevents us from being "stuck" in one type of gameplay.   Many gamers prefer a more linear style, this is fine, perhaps linear reflects your preferred playstyle.  If this is the case, a game like EVE or FE will never make you happy. 

Anyway thats all I have to say regarding the OPs post.  There is no need to insult the op but I think his post mayhave been taken a bit more seriously without that title.  The OP needs to understand he will get a negative response when he makes posts that implicitly tell others NOT to play a game.  Viral negative marketing abounds and those of us with any experience in gaming forums know only too well that competing game developers normally set up accounts to trash each other.  The familiar trends in these types of posts are usually a direct attack at a game, that isnt supported by facts (they like to confuse opinions with facts) and they ALWAYS caution persons to not play the game and not to waste their MONEY.  The OPs post had every single element of a negative marketing attempt by a rival developer. 

Cheers!

Originally posted by psymon15

Ok, this is going to be last post just because it's really getting rather boring.

This is concerning all you people who almost completely disregard what i have to say based on my post count. All of you are ignorant morons, do you not understand that sometimes people are just new to using the forums? I've used this site many times and found the forums at least somewhat useful when i made my selections for a new game, I just have never made an accnt and posted what i felt about games on them.  Honestly though, I have probably played more MMO's for longer, than almost anyone that has posted here. As far as the tone of how i wrote my review of this game, it was easiest for me to do things like "FAIL" and "LAME" because i figured some annoying people would just come up and flame it regardless of what i put because i'm bashing their beloved game. You see, this post wasn't for people have already played this game for some time, it's more for the people who are just starting out. And while you may disagree with me about somethings, for the beginning of the game, the time where newer players of the MMO are going to get attached or completely hate, those things are true. Whether or not you want to believe your game does or doesn't have these things that i said as flaws is a useless point, you OPINION has nothing to do with simple facts that I have found to be true with what I have played so far.

 

Like i said, people are either going to love or hate this game depending on their first few levels of this game, and from what i've experienced, most people are going to hate it, and if they hate it at the beginning, they aren't going to stay to play the rest of your "kickass" endgame crap

Final comment:

To all you fanboy wanna be mmoers, pick a good game and......

 

 

 

Suck it trebek <==3

 

Le fin

 

 

Yes, a REVIEW would have been great. The issue? Many of your points are:

Stupid

Not even true

Stupid ones? The one saying the whole environment is a desert. Well duh, it's a post-apoc wasteland in the Grand Canyon. You should have read a little bit. This is one of the "stupid" points.

PvP. A level 1 can get killed by a level 40? I thought that may be a joke but it appears your serious. This is a really, really, stupid point.

The strafing, is a valid opinion. I think it's fine, you don't.

The FPS point is just wrong. No one else I have spoken to has had this issue. This isn't an opinion, it's just not in the game, or it was some freak accident for you.

Crafting is your own valid opinion although most people coming in have done research have done research and know 94% of in-game you can craft and crafting is big. Yes there is Lag because of all the trials, that will go away. If you think Mutations are lame, why don't you say why instead of doing the immature and quite rude thing and justing saying they're "Lame".

Your skills point, I guess if that's your opinion. I'm not seeing the issue though. Would you rather have:

Hammer

Long Sword

Short Sword

Knife

Dagger

Throwing Knives

Staves

Polearms

So on, so forth?

And the Community? Come on, you say you've played FPS games before but YOU HAVE TO ASK HOW TO RELOAD? Try doing it yourself before wasting our time with simple, obvious questions. And if "R" doesn't work (which it does), open the options and look at the keybinding.

Movement, that's your opinion. Yes you do strafe slower than you run forward. I know of no one who can crab-step as fast as they can run forward though.

Quests, many are like that, yes. Although it's like EVE in that respect for me, although the missions should be boring... they're not.

I am going to guess this is a trial player who just jumped into the beta knowing nothing of the game. For that you deserve a slap on the back of the head. Then another for trying to make a review of the game with some of the worst issues ever. "The community yelled at me because I was too dense to hit R to reload" or "A max level player can kill a newbie!".

And if I may ask, how can this be Fallout 3 at all? Development started BEFORE they even ANNOUNCED Fallout 3. It does have some satire influences from Fallout 1 or 2. But it is really NOTHING like Fallout 3 if you play both of them.

Originally posted by Broomy

Originally posted by psymon15

This game is so terrible...there is nothing about it unique, nothing done rather well, and is more irritating than fun.

Is it just me or does it seem like the creators of this game just took fallout 3, changed the name, made it crappy and decided to try and bank off of it.

 ......This game is just full of so much fail...I DON'T RECCOMEND ANYONE PLAY THIS GAME...for $50...if i would have know how this game actually was....I would have spent the money on something more useful...like a tank of gas and a lighter to burn this company down with.

 

After playing WOW for 2 years and interspersing that experience with other games like WAR, AOC, EQ2 and even trying out AION, I finally decided to check out FE with the trial key earlier this week. I had played beta and thought the game abysmal, but was looking to give it another chance. Why? I have longed for a SciFi MMO for many years (or something close to scifi, whatever, just no damn elves!) and was desperate for something fresh. I am so glad I did.  I will provide my own review of the game at a later date.
 

To the OP (because we all know your going to come back and read these posts ;) ) your points arent very well thought out.  I wont go over them point by point, as others already have, but seriously based on the above content I have quoted here, you simply sound fustrated.  No game developer makes "Bank off" a game like Fallen Earth.  FE is too unconventional and won't appeal to the masses.  If they wanted to try and make "bank" they would have produced another WOW clone.  I beleive FE is taking the route that CCP has, niche market, with a smaller, and very dedicated, fanbase.  As MMO tastes change and people look for other types of games, hopefully FE will attract that crowd, if it doesnt I beleive it will still continue to do well.  But FE simply does not have the glitz and eye candy (think AION) that would lead us to feel the devs are simply trying to only make a buck by rehashing old content.

 

You express fustration with the money you spent.  There is no reason to try a game out nowadays by paying for it, when there are so many free trials going on.  Patcience sir.  If money is an issue for you, just wait for the free trial or key.  It will come eventually, this is part of the genre's marketing plan. 

 

On a point, you discuss "storyline".  Point taken, however games like FE (and think EVE Online as well) are far more open, even sandbox (Ugh I hate that word! but whatever) in their nature.  SUre there are underlying currents of stories, but the game is really yours to make of what you will.  Right now my character (who I have decided to align with Vistas as I am a treehugger in rl) is exploring, hunting, questing and trying out different crafting.  I like the fact that most actions provide one with experience credit, this prevents us from being "stuck" in one type of gameplay.   Many gamers prefer a more linear style, this is fine, perhaps linear reflects your preferred playstyle.  If this is the case, a game like EVE or FE will never make you happy. 

 

Anyway thats all I have to say regarding the OPs post.  There is no need to insult the op but I think his post mayhave been taken a bit more seriously without that title.  The OP needs to understand he will get a negative response when he makes posts that implicitly tell others NOT to play a game.  Viral negative marketing abounds and those of us with any experience in gaming forums know only too well that competing game developers normally set up accounts to trash each other.  The familiar trends in these types of posts are usually a direct attack at a game, that isnt supported by facts (they like to confuse opinions with facts) and they ALWAYS caution persons to not play the game and not to waste their MONEY.  The OPs post had every single element of a negative marketing attempt by a rival developer. 

Cheers!

Please never compare EVE to FE again. They are completely different in every way. It is mildly embarrassing that you would mention them both in the same sentence and makes it painfully obvious you have not played both of these games. 

I'm not sure if you've even played either. Have you? Because to say these games are similar is WAY off base.

Originally posted by colddog

 

Please never compare EVE to FE again. They are completely different in every way. It is mildly embarrassing that you would mention them both in the same sentence and makes it painfully obvious you have not played both of these games. 

 

I'm not sure if you've even played either. Have you? Because to say these games are similar is WAY off base.

I think I sufficiently put forth what I felt the two games shared in common.  And qualified that.  I have a 25 million sp pilot in EVE, I am currently playing FE, come again?  Whats painfully obvious is your inability to read and understand WHAT I was pointing out that was similar in both games. I do not beleive my comparisons of their "sandbox" or more open, non-linear elements, is "Way off base".  They are both skillbased, appeal to niche markets and are not conventional.  I would say that is actually alot of similarities. 

Please read.  BTW, I cant beleive you quoted my entire post, and pulled out one sentence to debate.  You may want to try editing the quotes to be a bit more specific.  ;) 

Everyone compares this game to SWG, but it's not ok to compare it to EVE?  It's the best sandbox of them all, and I too was disappointed with FE's linear gameplay.  I'm not saying that FE should try to be like EVE, just that I was under the impression it shared a lot of the same mechanics.  I was wrong, and moved on.  It's a good game, just not what I was looking for.  But yeah, I'd say it's perfectly acceptable to use eve and fe in the same sentence, or at least just as acceptable as swg.

The skill base of Eve and the skill base of FE are completely different.  EVE is unlimited skilling FE is limited more like AC1.  The way you skill is completely different.  The setup of the skills is completely different. 

Originally posted by Horusra

The skill base of Eve and the skill base of FE are completely different.  EVE is unlimited skilling FE is limited more like AC1.  The way you skill is completely different.  The setup of the skills is completely different. 

LOL, the fact is they are BOTH skill based.  No one is saying their skill systems are the same. 
 

Originally posted by FolbyOrb

psymon15 says, "I'm a troll bitches. Dance!"

MMORPG members say, "Hey, macarena!"

awsome :) 

Originally posted by Broomy

Originally posted by colddog

 

Please never compare EVE to FE again. They are completely different in every way. It is mildly embarrassing that you would mention them both in the same sentence and makes it painfully obvious you have not played both of these games. 

 

I'm not sure if you've even played either. Have you? Because to say these games are similar is WAY off base.

 

I think I sufficiently put forth what I felt the two games shared in common.  And qualified that.  I have a 25 million sp pilot in EVE, I am currently playing FE, come again?  Whats painfully obvious is your inability to read and understand WHAT I was pointing out that was similar in both games. I do not beleive my comparisons of their "sandbox" or more open, non-linear elements, is "Way off base".  They are both skillbased, appeal to niche markets and are not conventional.  I would say that is actually alot of similarities. 

Please read.  BTW, I cant beleive you quoted my entire post, and pulled out one sentence to debate.  You may want to try editing the quotes to be a bit more specific.  ;) 

Really, the issue with comparing these two games is how linear FE is compared to EVE. They are skill based in a completely different way. FE's skill based system is simple, guided and forces caps based on level attained.

Fallen Earth is a series of quest hubs. Eve can be anything you want it to be. There is nothing similar except that there is some vague resemblance in that there is a skill system. FE forces you into very few builds if you are smarter than a fifth grader and EVE really does have an open ended system where you can focus on hundereds of different things.

There is nothing sandbox about FE at all in any way except for a skill system that is based on level gained. And it forces people into only very few builds (unless they purposefully choose to "RP" a less effective build).

Originally posted by miagisan 

sorry but i have tried every tweak i could find, and no its not my ram cause why would FE be the only game, and i have played a ton, including aion, aoc, eq2, EVE, etc wh

Mine:

AMD 64 X2 5200+ (2.6ghz)

2 GB on XP

Nvidia GTX 280

1 GB Video Ram

Cable Connection, NY (optonline)

2x500gb 10,000 rpm WD HDs

I find that FE is pushing my computer more than any of the games you mention (eq2 is the messed up family member with alot of special needs). Im atm using 2x4850 (1 gb) with a i7@4 ghz and Ive some nasty drops in my fps in zones that are highly populated.  And I would say that your system should easily be able to handle FE (mostly becuse of your gfx card) but I do believe that the rest of your system is bottle necking it. A x2 AMD 64 is nothing that I would use to try to play a modern game for example so i would suggest that you looked up the phenom II x3 processor and see if it fits your motherboard.

Originally posted by astrob0y

Originally posted by miagisan 

sorry but i have tried every tweak i could find, and no its not my ram cause why would FE be the only game, and i have played a ton, including aion, aoc, eq2, EVE, etc wh

Mine:

AMD 64 X2 5200+ (2.6ghz)

2 GB on XP

Nvidia GTX 280

1 GB Video Ram

Cable Connection, NY (optonline)

2x500gb 10,000 rpm WD HDs

I find that FE is pushing my computer more than any of the games you mention (eq2 is the messed up family member with alot of special needs). Im atm using 2x4850 (1 gb) with a i7@4 ghz and Ive some nasty drops in my fps in zones that are highly populated.  And I would say that your system should easily be able to handle FE (mostly becuse of your gfx card) but I do believe that the rest of your system is bottle necking it. A x2 AMD 64 is nothing that I would use to try to play a modern game for example so i would suggest that you looked up the phenom II x3 processor and see if it fits your motherboard.

so you think a game like FE should be pushing your computer and its not that intensive of a game is normal?

and so because my comp can handle almost any game out there still, with no issues, suddenly fe comes along and its because of my system....

riight.

then why post bogus recommended requirements? My cpu handles EQ2 on very high (cant do extreme) and looks 10x better than FE.

Originally posted by colddog

Your getting into minutia.  My comparisons of the games were very general, I am not debating that there are differences within those similarities.   

Really, the issue with comparing these two games is how linear FE is compared to EVE. They are skill based in a completely different way. FE's skill based system is simple, guided and forces caps based on level attained.

 More minutia.  I said they were BOTH skillbased, that's all. 

Fallen Earth is a series of quest hubs. Eve can be anything you want it to be. There is nothing similar except that there is some vague resemblance in that there is a skill system. FE forces you into very few builds if you are smarter than a fifth grader and EVE really does have an open ended system where you can focus on hundereds of different things.

 See the above response regarding the skill system similarity. 

There is nothing sandbox about FE at all in any way except for a skill system that is based on level gained. And it forces people into only very few builds (unless they purposefully choose to "RP" a less effective build).

I disagree, I think FE is "somewhat open and non-linear" in comparison to other games.  Is it exactly like EVE, totally open? No.  And no one said it was.  As for EVE, sure you can go whereever you want to go in EVE, but without the proper skills, training or  friends, you wont last long.  I stayed in .5 and higher systems until I had enough skills to withstand (or at least attempt to) being ganked or gate camped.  Sure I could go into 0.0 and the first time I did I was podkilled and my ship destroyed.  So I guess its a matter of opinion if you think you can "do whatever you want" in EVE.  Getting continuously wreaked and podkilled ;)  All games have some restictions and limits, just because you CAN go somewhere doesnt mean that's the best thing at the time to do. 

But again, this is more minutia.  Your getting into details regarding the comparisons and I was speaking in general terms.  Telling me not to say these two games in the same sentence is probably the dumbest thing I have heard on this thread, if even beats the OPs remarks.  Both are skillbased, both appeal to a niche playerbase and both are open-ended and non-linear to an extent where they can be generally compared.  The fact that EVE is totally openended and has an unlimited skill based system was a fact that I took for granted people understood.   I hate to say this but as the adage goes, troll more.  Cheers.