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11/04/09 3:54:14 PM#61
1st Corinthians 1:19: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate" That's my response to the fella who quoted above me - (quoye button refused to work) |
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zchmrkenhoff
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11/04/09 4:03:49 PM#62
Originally posted by Eronakis
Isn't that sort of stupid though? :P What if I built all philosophies and everything off of the flying spaghetti monster... I just don't understand why you would place infinite faith into this one God when there are so many others you could put infinite faith into. Why not believe in the Roman gods? Roman Paganism would be a cool religion to have. If I randomly decide to plunge headfirst into a belief and put infinite faith into it, it would be Roman Paganism. "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro |
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11/04/09 4:13:07 PM#63
Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff
Isn't that sort of stupid though? :P What if I built all philosophies and everything off of the flying spaghetti monster... I just don't understand why you would place infinite faith into this one God when there are so many others you could put infinite faith into. Why not believe in the Roman gods? Roman Paganism would be a cool religion to have. If I randomly decide to plunge headfirst into a belief and put infinite faith into it, it would be Roman Paganism. Because I had a genuine personal experience with God. The book teaches unselfishness which this world is not. Until you believe and have that experience you won't comprehend. That is all I am saying. It's that simple. |
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zchmrkenhoff
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The biggest argument against democracy is a 5 minute discussion with the average voter |
11/04/09 4:15:14 PM#64
Originally posted by Eronakis Because I had a genuine personal experience with God. The book teaches unselfishness which this world is not. Until you believe and have that experience you won't comprehend. That is all I am saying. It's that simple. If God can keep you from becoming a drug-addict, but rather focus you along a moral path to producing a proud nuclear family and continuing the royal Eronakis lineage, then good! "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro |
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11/04/09 4:22:20 PM#65
Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff Because I had a genuine personal experience with God. The book teaches unselfishness which this world is not. Until you believe and have that experience you won't comprehend. That is all I am saying. It's that simple. If God can keep you from becoming a drug-addict, but rather focus you along a moral path to producing a proud nuclear family and continuing the royal Eronakis lineage, then good!
Yes, there is a royal Eronakis lineage. It started in EQ! haha - sorry I had to boast about being an old school EQ player. |
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11/04/09 4:53:04 PM#66
Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff
Isn't that sort of stupid though? :P What if I built all philosophies and everything off of the flying spaghetti monster... I just don't understand why you would place infinite faith into this one God when there are so many others you could put infinite faith into. Why not believe in the Roman gods? Roman Paganism would be a cool religion to have. If I randomly decide to plunge headfirst into a belief and put infinite faith into it, it would be Roman Paganism.
You dreaming about spaghetti monster..Here the true facts..In the Old days they did not have electricity ..Matter a fact they did not know what it was..But it does not mean it did not exist..God is Spirit and he is not Matter..If people were 100% sure that there was a God, people will not be acting like dicks or Idiots..But i do know for sure..You do need a Creator to create something..Now will you please pass the Spaghetti i am hungry.. |
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zchmrkenhoff
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The biggest argument against democracy is a 5 minute discussion with the average voter |
11/04/09 5:09:51 PM#67
Originally posted by hoopty
You dreaming about spaghetti monster..Here the true facts..In the Old days they did not have electricity ..Matter a fact they did not know what it was..But it does not mean it did not exist..God is Spirit and he is not Matter..If people were 100% sure that there was a God, people will not be acting like dicks or Idiots..But i do know for sure..You do need a Creator to create something..Now will you please pass the Spaghetti i am hungry.. But you haven't told me why I should believe in YOUR certain God instead of any of the others. Is the fact that the Abrahamic Religions are most popular right now reason enough to place infinite faith in them? Is there not an equal chance that all of the other religions that don't believe in your mono God will end up being true in the end as well? If you plugged it all into a computer, given that there is no proof to the existence of any God, and told the computer to make a choice as to which belief it would choose, the computer would have a divide by zero error, as there is no reason (excluding the threat of violence to you (see the massacre of British druids by the Romans and all that in Arthurian Britain)) to place infinite faith into any single one of these faiths except to "fit in" or something. On the other hand, I do think religions are very unique to each culture and should be respected for their historical meanings. My favorite religion at the moment is Eastern Orthodox Christianity, the true faith. ^^ "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro |
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11/04/09 6:06:14 PM#68
Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff
You dreaming about spaghetti monster..Here the true facts..In the Old days they did not have electricity ..Matter a fact they did not know what it was..But it does not mean it did not exist..God is Spirit and he is not Matter..If people were 100% sure that there was a God, people will not be acting like dicks or Idiots..But i do know for sure..You do need a Creator to create something..Now will you please pass the Spaghetti i am hungry.. But you haven't told me why I should believe in YOUR certain God instead of any of the others. Is the fact that the Abrahamic Religions are most popular right now reason enough to place infinite faith in them? Is there not an equal chance that all of the other religions that don't believe in your mono God will end up being true in the end as well? If you plugged it all into a computer, given that there is no proof to the existence of any God, and told the computer to make a choice as to which belief it would choose, the computer would have a divide by zero error, as there is no reason (excluding the threat of violence to you (see the massacre of British druids by the Romans and all that in Arthurian Britain)) to place infinite faith into any single one of these faiths except to "fit in" or something. On the other hand, I do think religions are very unique to each culture and should be respected for their historical meanings. My favorite religion at the moment is Eastern Orthodox Christianity, the true faith. ^^
I am not asking you to believe in my God.The reasons for believing that there’s a God are too numerous, I hardly know where to begin. The reason I believe in God is that we are totally incapable of rationally explaining the world without a God. In addition, if there is no God, then there is no ultimate meaning or purpose to life >>> we are little more than animals.<<< Your computer analogy where is the logic and reason in that?
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zchmrkenhoff
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11/04/09 9:08:23 PM#69
Originally posted by hoopty But you haven't told me why I should believe in YOUR certain God instead of any of the others. Is the fact that the Abrahamic Religions are most popular right now reason enough to place infinite faith in them? Is there not an equal chance that all of the other religions that don't believe in your mono God will end up being true in the end as well? If you plugged it all into a computer, given that there is no proof to the existence of any God, and told the computer to make a choice as to which belief it would choose, the computer would have a divide by zero error, as there is no reason (excluding the threat of violence to you (see the massacre of British druids by the Romans and all that in Arthurian Britain)) to place infinite faith into any single one of these faiths except to "fit in" or something. On the other hand, I do think religions are very unique to each culture and should be respected for their historical meanings. My favorite religion at the moment is Eastern Orthodox Christianity, the true faith. ^^
I am not asking you to believe in my God.The reasons for believing that there’s a God are too numerous, I hardly know where to begin. The reason I believe in God is that we are totally incapable of rationally explaining the world without a God. In addition, if there is no God, then there is no ultimate meaning or purpose to life >>> we are little more than animals.<<< Your computer analogy where is the logic and reason in that?
I say the purpose is to mindlessly reproduce and continue the human race with all honesty. "Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up." - Robert DeNiro |
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11/04/09 9:20:20 PM#70
Originally posted by hoopty Not really, it just means that we have the ultimate freedom to provide our life with meaning and purpose. And yes we are animals but among all the animal species we are the only one that have logic (Logos). |
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11/05/09 6:04:26 PM#71
Originally posted by Tymoris Not really, it just means that we have the ultimate freedom to provide our life with meaning and purpose. And yes we are animals but among all the animal species we are the only one that have logic (Logos).
What ultimate freedom are you talking about, with this life meaning and purpose? You might consider your self as a animal, but please don't include me in it..Since you claim you are a Animal, that must be your religion, is it called the Wild Kingdom? Haha..Kidding aside.. |
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11/06/09 1:36:14 AM#72
Originally posted by hoopty Wow ... because you can not explain something it must be god?? You are actually reasoning like cave man once when they start to develop brain and know nothing about how clouds form, how lighting, .... Today we have explanation. And every day more. Of course I do not think mankind will ever know evertyhing possible, but this does not make god responsible for what we (still) do not know. Life itself is ultimate meaning or purpose of life!!! Your children are! Your parents are! As I understand people around you and you care about mean NOTHING without god??? I'm fortunate I'm not your relative. |
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11/06/09 2:31:58 AM#73
Originally posted by pre_mar Wow ... because you can not explain something it must be god?? You are actually reasoning like cave man once when they start to develop brain and know nothing about how clouds form, how lighting, .... Today we have explanation. And every day more. Of course I do not think mankind will ever know evertyhing possible, but this does not make god responsible for what we (still) do not know. Life itself is ultimate meaning or purpose of life!!! Your children are! Your parents are! As I understand people around you and you care about mean NOTHING without god??? I'm fortunate I'm not your relative.
Why is life the ultimate meaning of life? Why are children important? what gives them meaning? Why are parents important? what gives them meaning? |
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11/06/09 6:49:50 AM#74
Originally posted by hoopty
What ultimate freedom are you talking about, with this life meaning and purpose? You might consider your self as a animal, but please don't include me in it..Since you claim you are a Animal, that must be your religion, is it called the Wild Kingdom? Haha..Kidding aside.. It's the freedom to decide to do whatever you want with your life. It's the freedom to think not only of what is but also of what can be. In Greek human is tranlsated as "Antrhopos" meaning the one that looks up, the one that always wants to improve. You never needed Gods, you just had enough imagination to create one. If you believe that only through God you can explain the world then maybe you should check science and see what exactly it has discovered. And regardless what I believe you and me and the rest of humanity is part of the animal kingdom. You need to eat, sleep, have sex and most important of all to survive. You have instincts, although you will try to surpress them. Hence yes you are an animal. You are not God's special creation. You have your weapon (logic and rationality) and the other animals have theirs. |
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11/06/09 6:53:03 AM#75
Originally posted by Fishermage
Why is life the ultimate meaning of life? Why are children important? what gives them meaning? Why are parents important? what gives them meaning? Chemical reactions in your body for once. The ultimate meaning of life is survival, so by that it comes into perspective why children and parents in all the animal kingdom are important. |
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11/06/09 8:25:28 AM#76
Originally posted by Fishermage
Why is life the ultimate meaning of life? Why are children important? what gives them meaning? Why are parents important? what gives them meaning?
What? Without your god your children or wife are not important to you??? They do not have meaning? If some day you discover there is no god, all your moral codex will fell in black abyss? Sorry ... but if your god is about this ... then I'm glad even more being atheist, because my children and wife mean all to me. I do not need god for this. I enjoy every single moment being with them, walking, playing, going with them to some their preffered sport event, .... Just being in their company. And when we are gone ... we are gone. Of course, make no mistake, who would not like to have eternal stay in some kind of heaven, enjoying for ethernity ... But I simply accept fact, that you are unable, that there is NOTHING beyond death. And ***THIS*** makes every single moment of life and staying with one you love so important. |
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11/06/09 10:02:08 AM#77
Originally posted by pre_mar
What? Without your god your children or wife are not important to you??? They do not have meaning? If some day you discover there is no god, all your moral codex will fell in black abyss? Sorry ... but if your god is about this ... then I'm glad even more being atheist, because my children and wife mean all to me. I do not need god for this. I enjoy every single moment being with them, walking, playing, going with them to some their preffered sport event, .... Just being in their company. And when we are gone ... we are gone. Of course, make no mistake, who would not like to have eternal stay in some kind of heaven, enjoying for ethernity ... But I simply accept fact, that you are unable, that there is NOTHING beyond death. And ***THIS*** makes every single moment of life and staying with one you love so important.
I didn't say anything about God or about what I think gives life meaning, I am asking you. Why is your wife important to you? Why do they have meaning? It seems they are important to you because they give you pleasure. Is hedonism your morality and meaning? I am not saying ANYTHING about my own beliefs. What I am doing is trying to figure out yours. They seem to mean "all" to you because you enjoy them. Is that what you are saying? Please don't get all angry and take the "atack back" strategy, I just want you to actually EXPLAIN what you mean when you say you give things your own meaning. Let me try this again, hopefully you won't get so defensive this time: why are these things important? So far you seem to be saying they are important because you enjoy them. If I am wrong, could you please explain what you mean more clearly? |
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