Originally posted by Wootson

Fallen Earth is a hybrid, as Lee Hammock states it himself in a recent interview that he gave.

 

End of discussion? :)

As far as I'm concerned it is. He's one of the people who helped make it and is more qualified than us to define what it is and what it isn't.

Please listen to this video. you'll understand what sandbox is and you'll judge whether FE is sandbox or not...

https://secure.eve-online.com/ft/?aid=104169&bid=1

Sometimes i like to sandbox and other time I like to theme park.

Since FE has both it's cheaper for me and I can get my MMO kicks in one game.

I used to play both EvE( 3 accounts heh ) and AoC until 2 months ago.

So I get two for the price of one...and many other goodies that has been mentioned many times before so no point in repeating them.

I start to feel sorry for people that cant find one single good MMO they can have fun with, allthough it's not their fault, MMOs has been sucking donkey balls for a long time now but some people are just way too demanding and want the world for 15 bucks a month.

Some are just natural born complainers.

Sandbox Shmandbox, Themepark Shmempark

I found a MMO I can commit to and I knew it after first couple of hours of game play.

You can call it whatever you like it's not gonna change anything.

When I began, I thought FE was going to be a hybrid.  I have to agree though, it has no sandbox to it.  In reality, if feels like a Korean grinder in many aspects.  After about level 8 you begin to realize the clear progression path duplicated in each relevant sector.  The only aspect that is more sandbox than traditional mmo is the lack of pre-defined classes.  But after your first toon, you build a character from level 1 with a predefined path in mind and it becomes the same as a class defined system if not in function but in true practice.

EDIT:  Note that I am currently subscribed and will continue to play FE, because I actually find it FUN.  Sure it has negatives, but I still enjoy it...

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Wootson

Fallen Earth is a hybrid, as Lee Hammock states it himself in a recent interview that he gave.

 

End of discussion? :)

 

As far as I'm concerned it is. He's one of the people who helped make it and is more qualified than us to define what it is and what it isn't.

I think it's silly that one of the developers of Fallen Earth doesn't understand what a sandbox element is.

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Wootson

Fallen Earth is a hybrid, as Lee Hammock states it himself in a recent interview that he gave.

 

End of discussion? :)

 

As far as I'm concerned it is. He's one of the people who helped make it and is more qualified than us to define what it is and what it isn't.

 

I think it's silly that one of the developers of Fallen Earth doesn't understand what a sandbox element is.

I think it's typical, however, that a mmorpg.com forum poster doesn't.

Originally posted by rodingo

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Wootson

Fallen Earth is a hybrid, as Lee Hammock states it himself in a recent interview that he gave.

 

End of discussion? :)

 

As far as I'm concerned it is. He's one of the people who helped make it and is more qualified than us to define what it is and what it isn't.

 

I think it's silly that one of the developers of Fallen Earth doesn't understand what a sandbox element is.

I think it's typical, however, that a mmorpg.com forum poster doesn't.

What about Fallen Earth is sandboxy?

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by rodingo

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Wootson

Fallen Earth is a hybrid, as Lee Hammock states it himself in a recent interview that he gave.

 

End of discussion? :)

 

As far as I'm concerned it is. He's one of the people who helped make it and is more qualified than us to define what it is and what it isn't.

 

I think it's silly that one of the developers of Fallen Earth doesn't understand what a sandbox element is.

I think it's typical, however, that a mmorpg.com forum poster doesn't.

 

What about Fallen Earth is sandboxy?

Have you not even read any of these responses? Did you actually watch that interview? Lemme guess, you want me to summarize every post about this for you? What is it with a lot of EVE players that make them so *snobbish* when a game is talked about being sandbox. As soon as sandbox is mentioned, they are usually the very first ones to to say the only game that is a true sandbox is EVE.

Yeh EVE is sooooooooo sandbox. Because you can destroy all those planets or land on them, you can walk around your spaceship and spacestations. .....Oh wait you cant do any of those things. If it was a true sandbox, you could do all of those things. 

There, I pointed out your game's flaws and how it's not 100% sandbox. Now defend EVE and explain to me why it's 100% sandbox. Keep in mind that no matter what you say, it's not going to convince me that EVE is 100% sandbox and FE is 0% sandbox.  Also, keep in mind that I'm not claiming FE to be more or less sandbox than EVE. I would actually say are almost on the same level. You have to keep in mind that what is sandbox to you, is not necessarily sandbox to someone else. Some people think coffee should only be drunk black. Some people say it's ok to drink coffee with cream and sugar. Either way it's still coffee and so the meaning of tastes for one, doesn't have the same meaning for all.

Originally posted by rodingo

Originally posted by colddog

 

What about Fallen Earth is sandboxy?

Have you not even read any of these responses? Did you actually watch that interview? Lemme guess, you want me to summarize every post about this for you? What is it with a lot of EVE players that make them so *snobbish* when a game is talked about being sandbox. As soon as sandbox is mentioned, they are usually the very first ones to to say the only game that is a true sandbox is EVE.

 

Yeh EVE is sooooooooo sandbox. Because you can destroy all those planets or land on them, you can walk around your spaceship and spacestations. .....Oh wait you cant do any of those things. If it was a true sandbox, you could do all of those things. 

 

There, I pointed out your game's flaws and how it's not 100% sandbox. Now defend EVE and explain to me why it's 100% sandbox. Keep in mind that no matter what you say, it's not going to convince me that EVE is 100% sandbox and FE is 0% sandbox.  Also, keep in mind that I'm not claiming FE to be more or less sandbox than EVE. I would actually say are almost on the same level. You have to keep in mind that what is sandbox to you, is not necessarily sandbox to someone else. Some people think coffee should only be drunk black. Some people say it's ok to drink coffee with cream and sugar. Either way it's still coffee and so the meaning of tastes for one, doesn't have the same meaning for all.

Ehh... settle down?

Obviously it's not as sandboxy as EVE. I asked you to name something sandboxy about Fallen Earth since you seem to know so much about it.

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Wootson

Fallen Earth is a hybrid, as Lee Hammock states it himself in a recent interview that he gave.

 

End of discussion? :)

 

As far as I'm concerned it is. He's one of the people who helped make it and is more qualified than us to define what it is and what it isn't.

 

I think it's silly that one of the developers of Fallen Earth doesn't understand what a sandbox element is.

I think it's presumptive for you to tell him what his game is/ isn't. Course, I'll give you all the credit in the world when you launch a sandbox or themepark game. Then you'll learn the lesson of your view not being the only view and certainly not the authoritative view on everything.

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Wootson

Fallen Earth is a hybrid, as Lee Hammock states it himself in a recent interview that he gave.

 

End of discussion? :)

 

As far as I'm concerned it is. He's one of the people who helped make it and is more qualified than us to define what it is and what it isn't.

 

I think it's silly that one of the developers of Fallen Earth doesn't understand what a sandbox element is.

I think it's presumptive for you to tell him what his game is/ isn't. Course, I'll give you all the credit in the world when you launch a sandbox or themepark game. Then you'll learn the lesson of your view not being the only view and certainly not the authoritative view on everything.

Just saying it's a sandbox does not make it a sandbox. You should, at the very least say what you think is so sandbox about it.

For instance, here are some attributes that make it not a sandbox:

1. Linear progression

2. Limited skill system

3. Level based

4. Lack of player-driven content

5. Lack of player-driven economy

All I want someone to do is tell me what makes this game a sandbox at all.

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by rodingo

Originally posted by colddog

 

What about Fallen Earth is sandboxy?

Have you not even read any of these responses? Did you actually watch that interview? Lemme guess, you want me to summarize every post about this for you? What is it with a lot of EVE players that make them so *snobbish* when a game is talked about being sandbox. As soon as sandbox is mentioned, they are usually the very first ones to to say the only game that is a true sandbox is EVE.

 

Yeh EVE is sooooooooo sandbox. Because you can destroy all those planets or land on them, you can walk around your spaceship and spacestations. .....Oh wait you cant do any of those things. If it was a true sandbox, you could do all of those things. 

 

There, I pointed out your game's flaws and how it's not 100% sandbox. Now defend EVE and explain to me why it's 100% sandbox. Keep in mind that no matter what you say, it's not going to convince me that EVE is 100% sandbox and FE is 0% sandbox.  Also, keep in mind that I'm not claiming FE to be more or less sandbox than EVE. I would actually say are almost on the same level. You have to keep in mind that what is sandbox to you, is not necessarily sandbox to someone else. Some people think coffee should only be drunk black. Some people say it's ok to drink coffee with cream and sugar. Either way it's still coffee and so the meaning of tastes for one, doesn't have the same meaning for all.

 

Ehh... settle down?

 

Obviously it's not as sandboxy as EVE. I asked you to name something sandboxy about Fallen Earth since you seem to know so much about it

How is it obvious that EVE is more sandboxy? Oh, and if you don't know what the features of FE are, then why are you posting about the game? If you think none of the features of FE have anything to do with your definition of sandbox, then why are you asking me to list them? Either you admit you don't know what FE's features are or you are ready to argue no matter what someone says that might infringe into the domain of your niche game.

But I'll bite anyways,...the game as  a whole, with all it's features combined, is what makes the game flow and allows me to shape my character and interact with the world as I want to. That's as close to sandbox as any other game I've seen. It has it's limitations and by no means is the game perfect, but name an mmo that is.

Originally posted by rodingo

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by rodingo

Originally posted by colddog

 

What about Fallen Earth is sandboxy?

Have you not even read any of these responses? Did you actually watch that interview? Lemme guess, you want me to summarize every post about this for you? What is it with a lot of EVE players that make them so *snobbish* when a game is talked about being sandbox. As soon as sandbox is mentioned, they are usually the very first ones to to say the only game that is a true sandbox is EVE.

 

Yeh EVE is sooooooooo sandbox. Because you can destroy all those planets or land on them, you can walk around your spaceship and spacestations. .....Oh wait you cant do any of those things. If it was a true sandbox, you could do all of those things. 

 

There, I pointed out your game's flaws and how it's not 100% sandbox. Now defend EVE and explain to me why it's 100% sandbox. Keep in mind that no matter what you say, it's not going to convince me that EVE is 100% sandbox and FE is 0% sandbox.  Also, keep in mind that I'm not claiming FE to be more or less sandbox than EVE. I would actually say are almost on the same level. You have to keep in mind that what is sandbox to you, is not necessarily sandbox to someone else. Some people think coffee should only be drunk black. Some people say it's ok to drink coffee with cream and sugar. Either way it's still coffee and so the meaning of tastes for one, doesn't have the same meaning for all.

 

Ehh... settle down?

 

Obviously it's not as sandboxy as EVE. I asked you to name something sandboxy about Fallen Earth since you seem to know so much about it

How is it obvious that EVE is more sandboxy? Oh, and if you don't know what the features of FE are, then why are you posting about the game? If you think none of the features of FE have anything to do with your definition of sandbox, then why are you asking me to list them? Either you admit you don't know what FE's features are or you are ready to argue no matter what someone says that might infringe into the domain of your niche game.

But I'll bite anyways,...the game as  a whole, with all it's features combined, is what makes the game flow and allows me to shape my character and interact with the world as I want to. That's as close to sandbox as any other game I've seen. It has it's limitations and by no means is the game perfect, but name an mmo that is.

Yeah, I played till level 19.

I think your issue lies in that... you think sandbox is somehow better than non-sandbox. It's not. It's just different. 

Your reason why this game is a sandbox fits every other MMORPG on the market. 

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Wootson

Fallen Earth is a hybrid, as Lee Hammock states it himself in a recent interview that he gave.

 

End of discussion? :)

 

As far as I'm concerned it is. He's one of the people who helped make it and is more qualified than us to define what it is and what it isn't.

 

I think it's silly that one of the developers of Fallen Earth doesn't understand what a sandbox element is.

I think it's presumptive for you to tell him what his game is/ isn't. Course, I'll give you all the credit in the world when you launch a sandbox or themepark game. Then you'll learn the lesson of your view not being the only view and certainly not the authoritative view on everything.

 

Just saying it's a sandbox does not make it a sandbox. You should, at the very least say what you think is so sandbox about it.

 

For instance, here are some attributes that make it not a sandbox:

1. Linear progression

2. Limited skill system

3. Level based

4. Lack of player-driven content

5. Lack of player-driven economy

 

All I want someone to do is tell me what makes this game a sandbox at all.

I never said it was a sandbox. I've said from the start it was a hybrid. It has sandbox elements as well as themepark ones. That's also what Lee Hammock has said and if anyone would know it's the people making it.

Why people can't see sandbox elements (unless you know, they haven't played it and are just talking based on reading other peoples opinions) is not for me to remedy. It has both, and anyone who has played UO and has played WoW can see that. In my view, the people who are wrong are the ones damned determined that it is one or the other. It has elements of both, the developers say it's both, move on.

This debate has regressed into nothing more that an "I'm right, your wrong (regardless of any factual information), nah nah nah nah nah".

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by rodingo

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by rodingo

Originally posted by colddog

 

What about Fallen Earth is sandboxy?

Have you not even read any of these responses? Did you actually watch that interview? Lemme guess, you want me to summarize every post about this for you? What is it with a lot of EVE players that make them so *snobbish* when a game is talked about being sandbox. As soon as sandbox is mentioned, they are usually the very first ones to to say the only game that is a true sandbox is EVE.

 

Yeh EVE is sooooooooo sandbox. Because you can destroy all those planets or land on them, you can walk around your spaceship and spacestations. .....Oh wait you cant do any of those things. If it was a true sandbox, you could do all of those things. 

 

There, I pointed out your game's flaws and how it's not 100% sandbox. Now defend EVE and explain to me why it's 100% sandbox. Keep in mind that no matter what you say, it's not going to convince me that EVE is 100% sandbox and FE is 0% sandbox.  Also, keep in mind that I'm not claiming FE to be more or less sandbox than EVE. I would actually say are almost on the same level. You have to keep in mind that what is sandbox to you, is not necessarily sandbox to someone else. Some people think coffee should only be drunk black. Some people say it's ok to drink coffee with cream and sugar. Either way it's still coffee and so the meaning of tastes for one, doesn't have the same meaning for all.

 

Ehh... settle down?

 

Obviously it's not as sandboxy as EVE. I asked you to name something sandboxy about Fallen Earth since you seem to know so much about it

How is it obvious that EVE is more sandboxy? Oh, and if you don't know what the features of FE are, then why are you posting about the game? If you think none of the features of FE have anything to do with your definition of sandbox, then why are you asking me to list them? Either you admit you don't know what FE's features are or you are ready to argue no matter what someone says that might infringe into the domain of your niche game.

But I'll bite anyways,...the game as  a whole, with all it's features combined, is what makes the game flow and allows me to shape my character and interact with the world as I want to. That's as close to sandbox as any other game I've seen. It has it's limitations and by no means is the game perfect, but name an mmo that is.

 

Yeah, I played till level 19.

 

I think your issue lies in that... you think sandbox is somehow better than non-sandbox. It's not. It's just different. 

 

Your reason why this game is a sandbox fits every other MMORPG on the market. 

 

That's a crazy twist and interpretation of what I have been saying. No where did I write that sandbox is better then non-sandbox. How you got that is beyond me. Also your last sentence seems to come from left field as well. Did you already have these responses on MS Word, ready to copy and paste?

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

I think it's presumptive for you to tell him what his game is/ isn't. Course, I'll give you all the credit in the world when you launch a sandbox or themepark game. Then you'll learn the lesson of your view not being the only view and certainly not the authoritative view on everything.

 

Just saying it's a sandbox does not make it a sandbox. You should, at the very least say what you think is so sandbox about it.

 

For instance, here are some attributes that make it not a sandbox:

1. Linear progression

2. Limited skill system

3. Level based

4. Lack of player-driven content

5. Lack of player-driven economy

 

All I want someone to do is tell me what makes this game a sandbox at all.

I never said it was a sandbox. I've said from the start it was a hybrid. It has sandbox elements as well as themepark ones. That's also what Lee Hammock has said and if anyone would know it's the people making it.

Why people can't see sandbox elements (unless you know, they haven't played it and are just talking based on reading other peoples opinions) is not for me to remedy. It has both, and anyone who has played UO and has played WoW can see that. In my view, the people who are wrong are the ones damned determined that it is one or the other. It has elements of both, the developers say it's both, move on.

This debate has regressed into nothing more that an "I'm right, your wrong (regardless of any factual information), nah nah nah nah nah".

Well, I disagree with your last sentence. I think it's working like this:

Sandbox people: I think it's a sandbox because a dev on the FE team said it was. I also just feel like it is.

Non-sandbox people: Here are the reasons why this game is not anywhere near a sandbox. Please tell me why it is a sandbox.

For instance, you have not named one in game element that makes this game a sandbox. And you won't because, "It's not your job." Well, I think it's because you can't.

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

I think it's presumptive for you to tell him what his game is/ isn't. Course, I'll give you all the credit in the world when you launch a sandbox or themepark game. Then you'll learn the lesson of your view not being the only view and certainly not the authoritative view on everything.

 

Just saying it's a sandbox does not make it a sandbox. You should, at the very least say what you think is so sandbox about it.

 

For instance, here are some attributes that make it not a sandbox:

1. Linear progression

2. Limited skill system

3. Level based

4. Lack of player-driven content

5. Lack of player-driven economy

 

All I want someone to do is tell me what makes this game a sandbox at all.

I never said it was a sandbox. I've said from the start it was a hybrid. It has sandbox elements as well as themepark ones. That's also what Lee Hammock has said and if anyone would know it's the people making it.

Why people can't see sandbox elements (unless you know, they haven't played it and are just talking based on reading other peoples opinions) is not for me to remedy. It has both, and anyone who has played UO and has played WoW can see that. In my view, the people who are wrong are the ones damned determined that it is one or the other. It has elements of both, the developers say it's both, move on.

This debate has regressed into nothing more that an "I'm right, your wrong (regardless of any factual information), nah nah nah nah nah".

 

Well, I disagree with your last sentence. I think it's working like this:

 

Sandbox people: I think it's a sandbox because a dev on the FE team said it was. I also just feel like it is.

 

Non-sandbox people: Here are the reasons why this game is not anywhere near a sandbox. Please tell me why it is a sandbox.

 

For instance, you have not named one in game element that makes this game a sandbox. And you won't because, "It's not your job." Well, I think it's because you can't.

You...lol, ok, if you're going to lie, I'm going to call you on it. Lee Hammock never stated the game was a sandbox. Again, you're blinded by wanting to be right. Listen to the interview. He says it's a hybrid in very clear American English.

No, you're damned and determined not to process the words I wrote and fixate only on little bits that help your carry on your argument.

It's a Hybrid. It's a Hybrid. It's a Hybrid.

Don't know how else to type that out for you to understand what I'm saying.

The game focuses on player crafted items being the best gear a player can get. That's a sandbox element. I'm not going to type out a list of others, not because I can't, but because even if I did you'd find some "out there" argument to argue why it wasn't a sandbox element and do so with each one on the list.

Unless I'm wrong about you, which I would be surprised, and you are actually here to seriously discuss and not trying to just win an argument. We'll see.

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

I think it's presumptive for you to tell him what his game is/ isn't. Course, I'll give you all the credit in the world when you launch a sandbox or themepark game. Then you'll learn the lesson of your view not being the only view and certainly not the authoritative view on everything.

 

Just saying it's a sandbox does not make it a sandbox. You should, at the very least say what you think is so sandbox about it.

 

For instance, here are some attributes that make it not a sandbox:

1. Linear progression

2. Limited skill system

3. Level based

4. Lack of player-driven content

5. Lack of player-driven economy

 

All I want someone to do is tell me what makes this game a sandbox at all.

I never said it was a sandbox. I've said from the start it was a hybrid. It has sandbox elements as well as themepark ones. That's also what Lee Hammock has said and if anyone would know it's the people making it.

Why people can't see sandbox elements (unless you know, they haven't played it and are just talking based on reading other peoples opinions) is not for me to remedy. It has both, and anyone who has played UO and has played WoW can see that. In my view, the people who are wrong are the ones damned determined that it is one or the other. It has elements of both, the developers say it's both, move on.

This debate has regressed into nothing more that an "I'm right, your wrong (regardless of any factual information), nah nah nah nah nah".

 

Well, I disagree with your last sentence. I think it's working like this:

 

Sandbox people: I think it's a sandbox because a dev on the FE team said it was. I also just feel like it is.

 

Non-sandbox people: Here are the reasons why this game is not anywhere near a sandbox. Please tell me why it is a sandbox.

 

For instance, you have not named one in game element that makes this game a sandbox. And you won't because, "It's not your job." Well, I think it's because you can't.

You...lol, ok, if you're going to lie, I'm going to call you on it. Lee Hammock never stated the game was a sandbox. Again, you're blinded by wanting to be right. Listen to the interview. He says it's a hybrid in very clear American English.

No, you're damned and determined not to process the words I wrote and fixate only on little bits that help your carry on your argument.

It's a Hybrid. It's a Hybrid. It's a Hybrid.

Don't know how else to type that out for you to understand what I'm saying.

The game focuses on player crafted items being the best gear a player can get. That's a sandbox element. I'm not going to type out a list of others, not because I can't, but because even if I did you'd find some "out there" argument to argue why it wasn't a sandbox element and do so with each one on the list.

Unless I'm wrong about you, which I would be surprised, and you are actually here to seriously discuss and not trying to just win an argument. We'll see.

I disagree. If a game does not have any sandbox elements in it, it can not be called a hybrid. That is silly. Read it again. If a game does not have a sandbox element in it, it can not be called a hybrid.

Having the best gear in the game come from crafting does not make it a "hybrid". That has nothing to do with a "hybrid".  And to top it off, the best gear in the game can be crafted using vendor bought mats where the price is determined completely by the Devs. That is the opposite of sandbox and makes the crafting area less hybrid sandbox than WoW.

And why should I not argue with you if your points lay flat and are often false. This is not a hybrid in any way.

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by colddog

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

I think it's presumptive for you to tell him what his game is/ isn't. Course, I'll give you all the credit in the world when you launch a sandbox or themepark game. Then you'll learn the lesson of your view not being the only view and certainly not the authoritative view on everything.

 

Just saying it's a sandbox does not make it a sandbox. You should, at the very least say what you think is so sandbox about it.

 

For instance, here are some attributes that make it not a sandbox:

1. Linear progression

2. Limited skill system

3. Level based

4. Lack of player-driven content

5. Lack of player-driven economy

 

All I want someone to do is tell me what makes this game a sandbox at all.

I never said it was a sandbox. I've said from the start it was a hybrid. It has sandbox elements as well as themepark ones. That's also what Lee Hammock has said and if anyone would know it's the people making it.

Why people can't see sandbox elements (unless you know, they haven't played it and are just talking based on reading other peoples opinions) is not for me to remedy. It has both, and anyone who has played UO and has played WoW can see that. In my view, the people who are wrong are the ones damned determined that it is one or the other. It has elements of both, the developers say it's both, move on.

This debate has regressed into nothing more that an "I'm right, your wrong (regardless of any factual information), nah nah nah nah nah".

 

Well, I disagree with your last sentence. I think it's working like this:

 

Sandbox people: I think it's a sandbox because a dev on the FE team said it was. I also just feel like it is.

 

Non-sandbox people: Here are the reasons why this game is not anywhere near a sandbox. Please tell me why it is a sandbox.

 

For instance, you have not named one in game element that makes this game a sandbox. And you won't because, "It's not your job." Well, I think it's because you can't.

You...lol, ok, if you're going to lie, I'm going to call you on it. Lee Hammock never stated the game was a sandbox. Again, you're blinded by wanting to be right. Listen to the interview. He says it's a hybrid in very clear American English.

No, you're damned and determined not to process the words I wrote and fixate only on little bits that help your carry on your argument.

It's a Hybrid. It's a Hybrid. It's a Hybrid.

Don't know how else to type that out for you to understand what I'm saying.

The game focuses on player crafted items being the best gear a player can get. That's a sandbox element. I'm not going to type out a list of others, not because I can't, but because even if I did you'd find some "out there" argument to argue why it wasn't a sandbox element and do so with each one on the list.

Unless I'm wrong about you, which I would be surprised, and you are actually here to seriously discuss and not trying to just win an argument. We'll see.

 

I disagree. If a game does not have any sandbox elements in it, it can not be called a hybrid. That is silly. Read it again. If a game does not have a sandbox element in it, it can not be called a hybrid.

 

Having the best gear in the game come from crafting does not make it a "hybrid". That has nothing to do with a "hybrid".  And to top it off, the best gear in the game can be crafted using vendor bought mats where the price is determined completely by the Devs. That is the opposite of sandbox and makes the crafting area less hybrid sandbox than WoW.

 

And why should I not argue with you if your points lay flat and are often false. This is not a hybrid in any way.

I guessed as much. And you still didn't even acknowledge your lie about what Hammock said. Nope, you just drive on and try to find other little nit picks to trump up. That tells me all I need to know, and arguing for the sake of arguing isn't my bag.

Good luck with the rest of your forum "crusade". I'm gonna go...oh, play the game.