Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by VoIgore

Talking about the situation in my country: WoW is not dying...on all but 2-3 servers it is dead for month. This years' summer was the final nail in the coffin, people left for other things than gaming and didn't came back to WoW after.

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You are simply an Aion lover and lying your ass off.

Give server and I'll check IN game :))

 These posts are always on when another "Wow killer" bites the dust .

No, i played Aion in the week of the headstart and brought back my (still sealed) copy to the store on release day. I played WoW for about 4yrs and the majority of that time i spent hardcore raiding or pvp'in, probably way more intense and long before you. I don't hate WoW, just got tired of it... may happen after such a long time. I've got to admit that i don't like many of Blizzard's moves in the past years, especially in terms of class balance. But this is more a matter personal taste and again, this happens when you play hardcore for years. You don't always agree to everything Blizzard pulls off.

However, it is not "hate" as you fanboys call it. In fact, a "hater" is what you are. You hate everything not WoW and if you allow me a personal sidenote, telling by your attitude on these forums you are a person to pity. No offense though, this is just meant as a neutral observation and not as a hit below the belt.

Not everyone who raises some critic is a hater of WoW, as the game definately has it's bunch of flaws. Not everyone who says some this or that about WoW is an Aion lover. Somewhere on these forums i read that you are 48yrs, maybe 49 by now. If so, you should learn that there is not only black or white when it comes to opinions. Although this is next to impossible to explain to someone who himself is only able to think in black and white, like ie you.

That doesn't change the fact that my server is dead for a while. Newsflash: not every server is still as packed as 2-3yrs ago, some of the later server never were....but i'm shure you'll come up with some links to meaningless blogs scattered alloever the internet trying to deny that.

Originally posted by VoIgore

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by VoIgore

Talking about the situation in my country: WoW is not dying...on all but 2-3 servers it is dead for month. This years' summer was the final nail in the coffin, people left for other things than gaming and didn't came back to WoW after.

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You are simply an Aion lover and lying your ass off.

Give server and I'll check IN game :))

 These posts are always on when another "Wow killer" bites the dust .

 

No, i played Aion in the week of the headstart and brought back my (still sealed) copy to the store on release day. I played WoW for about 4yrs and the majority of that time i spent hardcore raiding or pvp'in, probably way more intense and long before you. I don't hate WoW, just got tired of it... may happen after such a long time. I've got to admit that i don't like many of Blizzard's moves in the past years, especially in terms of class balance. But this is more a matter personal taste and again, this happens when you play hardcore for years. You don't always agree to everything Blizzard pulls off.

However, it is not "hate" as you fanboys call it. In fact, a "hater" is what you are. You hate everything not WoW and if you allow me a personal sidenote, telling by your attitude on these forums you are a person to pity. No offense though, this is just meant as a neutral observation and not as a hit below the belt.

Not everyone who raises some critic is a hater of WoW, as the game definately has it's bunch of flaws. Not everyone who says some this or that about WoW is an Aion lover. Somewhere on these forums i read that you are 48yrs, maybe 49 by now. If so, you should learn that there is not only black or white when it comes to opinions. Although this is next to impossible to explain to someone who himself is only able to think in black and white, like ie you.

That doesn't change the fact that my server is dead for a while. Newsflash: not every server is still as packed as 2-3yrs ago, some of the later server never were....but i'm shure you'll come up with some links to meaningless blogs scattered alloever the internet trying to deny that.

To be honest, there are alot of servers that have issues (see Chogall). Because players can transfer to other servers with better ratios / raids (Aggramar / Mal ganis), they do transfer. However, to say that the game is dieing when alot of those transferring lead other servers to huge queues is not correct.

Now, it may not seem like it to you but the WoW population has remained pretty stable world wide. 

Originally posted by Demz2

Oh look its the another one of these same threads that appear here everyday for the past 4 years.  Whole site is full of delusional idiots .

Exactly, find shitty games being talked up (Vantard) come here, find the truly great games (WoW) getting dissed, only on this silly site.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by googajoob7

 

While i dont think WOW is diying i think your link is nt anything more than internet gossip . I  googled vinvendi warcraft subscriptions and looked under news . Guess what there is nt any . So I dont think that can be accurate . We can really only trust offical announcements on subscription numbers on the official Blizzard Warcraft site . Interestingly there has nt been any news on sub numbers since December 2008 . So my guess is that theres been a drop and certainly not an increase . If the news was good there Blizzard would be trumpeting it from the rooftops and they are silent on the subject .

 

To Googajoob7. YOUR lying and trolling within these WOW posts has to stop/

Here: http://seekingalpha.com/article/136299-activision-blizzard-q1-2009-earnings-call-transcript?page=6

DATE: MAY 07 2009. Press Conference of the Quarterly results of Activision Blizzard: the CONFIRMED 11.5 M.

I quote:

"Michael Morhaime

Thank you, Mike. On today’s call, I would like to talk about our performance for the March quarter and highlight some of the milestones we are looking forward to this year.

As you know, back in November we launched the second World of Warcraft expansion, Wrath of the Lich King, which achieved record-breaking sales. As mentioned on the last call, Wrath of the Lich King sold more than 2.8 million copies in its first 24 hours, to become the fastest selling PC game of all time.

We followed up on that success in the first quarter with strong sales of World of Warcraft and both expansions. According to NPD, Wrath of the Lich King was the best-selling PC game for the first quarter and six of the top 20 best-selling PC games through March were Blizzard games. This includes every World of Warcraft title as well as our Warcraft 3 and Diablo Battlechest.

More than 11.5 million paying subscribers around the world continue to play World of Warcraft, which is a significant increase compared to the same quarter last year.

The continued success of World of Warcraft fueled a strong March quarter for us, despite the week economy. This highlights the incredible entertainment value and longevity of the game. ..."

Unquote.

The above was taken from the OFFICIAL transcript of Earning Calls of the company.

And on June 05th the latest info came from M Morhaime again with the Guinness book of records11.600.000 confirmed.

http://www.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/e3_2009_blizzard_accepts_guinness_world_record_awards/

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So those are TWO OFFICIAL sources (one even came from the official transcript from an audited financial report of Activison/Blizzard covering the 1st Q of 2009 !).

So WOW had 11.6 M subs worldwide June 2009 before it became free to play in the summer in China. Since a few weeks it is back as a paid MMORPG in the mainland. So further world wide PAID sub numbers were impossible to give due to this 2 months hic up in China which covered the last 2 Fin Q's.

:))) You should thank me for the official transcipt :)))

 

 

 

zorndorf i argued that wow was nt dieing how the hell am i a troll . if i was a troll i would come on here and agree with the OP . all i ve done is point out some facts . what i m not is some deluded wow fanbois . i ve even argued wow is a decent game in recent posts but i find it a little too easy these days and dont like some ol the changes Blizzard have implimented . the thing is anyone that does nt agree with you 100 percent or questions you digging up subscription numbers from obsure websites , quoting xfire stats or pointing out to you that the guiness book of records numbers your quote are actually a peak relating to the numbers wow had when it was at a peak in december 2008 january 2009 period . what makes me laugh is you ve composed another essay that i really cant be bothered to read .honestly how do you have the time to actually play the game and spend as much time in these forums as you do ? 

heres a shocker for you i still think WoW does some of the best pvp in a fantasy based mmo around class imbalances aside .

yeah sure i m a troll then again everyone who does nt think the sun shine out of Blizzards back side is a troll according to you . you sometimes sound like a cult leader in your posts .

Didnt read you post dont care what you wrote ,  naming A thread that dumb gives you no respect

Originally posted by rywalt

Originally posted by googajoob7

Originally posted by rywalt

For the game to even start dieing  subs would have to accually start decreasing. Subscriptions have increased Worldwide every month since the game launched.

This article about the still increasing subscriptions of WOW was published on 10-21-09

www.bignews.biz/

 

The game can still be very casual depending on who you choose to play with. I'm in a casual guild and we just play whenever we feel like it.

 

While i dont think WOW is diying i think your link is nt anything more than internet gossip . I  googled vinvendi warcraft subscriptions and looked under news . Guess what there is nt any . So I dont think that can be accurate . We can really only trust offical announcements on subscription numbers on the official Blizzard Warcraft site . Interestingly there has nt been any news on sub numbers since December 2008 . So my guess is that theres been a drop and certainly not an increase . If the news was good there Blizzard would be trumpeting it from the rooftops and they are silent on the subject .

 

 That's funny because google news is exactly where I found the article. I typed in World of Warcraft clicked on news, and went in about 3 or 4 pages and there it was.

You know much more than Blizzard or the media so I guess we should all believe what you say. WOW! you've just changed my mind because YOU don't think it's accurate LMFAO! You may be able to rely on guesses for proof but the rest of the world can't get away with that. Why don't you try and give me a more recent link that states the opposite of what I've just posted?

i just typed world of warcraft subscriptions again and i find one story from big news http://www.bignews.biz/?id=819589&keys=world-of-warcraft-news i carry on for 30 pages and find nothing else from any other website including this one which is pretty reputable .  its quite easy for any one who doubts who is right and realises if WoW had those subs now it would be on more than one website to check . just go to google and look for yourself .

one websites news does nt make it a fact . if that was true we d be being invaded by lizard men from the center of the earth now 

i ll trust it if mmorpg.com or the official wow websites report it .

hey zorndorf how much does bizz pay you to attack anyone who dares to say they dont like wow?

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by googajoob7

zorndorf i argued that wow was nt dieing how the hell am i a troll . if i was a troll i would come on here and agree with the OP . all i ve done is point out some facts .

/Cut right here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

The only one giving facts of the MORE than 11.500.000 subscriptions in 2009 ... is me:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/136299-activision-blizzard-q1-2009-earnings-call-transcript?page=6
 

It is the transcipt of the press conference discussing the (audited !) financial first Q 2009 results of Activision Blizzard. This is NOT some made up stuff. It is the transcript of the press conference.

+ 11.500.000 subs confirmed. M Morhaime himself confirmed it "tx to a very strong March quarter... " etc... just READ the transcript.

Btw on the same page you see the other transcripts of other Quarterly results. This is as official as can be from a financial site.

Secondly: http://www.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/e3_2009_blizzard_accepts_guinness_world_record_awards/

 

 

 

shows the June 5th annoucement of the 11.600.000 subscribers (as the Guinness world records will PUBLISH it in the book of 2010).

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So these are FACTS, not your lying because you can't come up with ANY.

It shows you don't recognise transcripts of official press conference, nor do you believe official annoucements of the guinness world record data for the book of 2010 and recorded in June 2009.

The only thing you can come up with is speculation.

The above showed you that at least in 2 recently anouncements and speeches, the +11.5 M subs were confirmed.

A pity for you, you can't negate the evident data and official information.

Unless you are the obvious troll (which everyone here KNOWS you are).

 

i ve already pointed out to you several times that the guiness book of records takes around six months to corroborate data . you seam to think they will just put something in it in june just of hearsay . the guisness record proberbly relates to late 2008 or very early in 2009 . also non of the other links you provide are to official or even reputable site . like i ve saif before it you trall the internet you can find a quote of somebody saying just about anything it does nt make it fact .

tell you what the day you can link me to the an official warcraft website article stating they still have 11.5 million players i ll happily admit i m wrong . they may hit that number again next year when the expansions out but at present i very much doubt they have anything like the number they had at that peak .

as for me being an aion fanbois well i guess you hav nt read my threads blasting ncsoft for not offering free time due to the ques in its initial months as Blizzard did in the early days of warcraft .

trolling is being totally negative about a game all the time being a fanbois is thinking a game could do no wrong . i m somewhere in the middle when a game does something right i ll applaud it when it does something wrong i m critical about it .

as someone else pointed out your well past being a fanbois and your on the verge of fanaticism .

i well remember posts you made trying to prove the average age of the wow player was 30 . ridiculous .

if i was to make a guess i would say that WoWs current subscription rates are around 7-9 million

WoW died a long time ago for me.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

OP: Just one simple and single statement.

WOW 2009/2010 (CATA) is giving its players 24/7 of grouped or solo PvP and PVE dungeon and open world play.

Ty. Or how do I put that in our words: a wet dream of every mmorpg player come true.

When you have a MMO with a Endgame and a game as top heavy as WoW its good to have things like Cross server BG's and Lfg.

My one complaint would be it takes away from the community feel of a game since WoW doesn't have one of those its perfect for it.

Only in WoW could a feature that takes away server community aspects by instancing everyone would be considered a good thing.

Here's all you need to know.  Month over month, WoW battlechest and Lich King continue to be in the PC top ten in sales.  People are still buying it, 5 years later.  When Cataclysm comes out it will do some insane number the week it's launched.  People will camp out all night long, as they did for TBC and WoLTK. 

If that's a sign of a game dying, what's a successfull game?

The fact of the matter is that the game itself is fast approaching the end of its life cycle. Look out for the new Blizz MMO then the haterz will have another MMO with 11 mill subs to whine about.

I'm dying, your dying, we're all dying. It's not a conspiracy. All that is born will someday die.

Originally posted by nratnam

The fact of the matter is that the game itself is fast approaching the end of its life cycle. Look out for the new Blizz MMO then the haterz will have another MMO with 11 mill subs to whine about.

WoW is a virtual phenomenon. I highly doubt we will ever see another game pull that many subscriptions in our lifetime. Unless all the other MMORPGs pull the plug and there are only one or two left.

Wasn't there a song about this?

"It's the end of the WoW as we know it..."

My 2p of trollitude...

If WoW dies now, there wont be anything for other devs to motivate them to come out with a better, different game. If this genre is dominate by only a few mmo, the devs will not come out with new ideas.

Any mmo that die is sad for mmorpg as a whole. I dont know why players that like to play mmo wish mmo to die.

No doubt a few mmo have so call "fail" along the way, but of course there will be failure, than others will learn and strive to come out with a better product.

As WoW continue to set the benchmark in terms of players subs and adding "new" contents, it will only fuel more companies to come out with a better game which will only benefit us, a different game which will also benefit us. And of course, we will no longer accept an un-finish game anymore, which will once again benefit us.

Competition is always good for consumers...

Originally posted by BladeWarden

hey zorndorf how much does bizz pay you to attack anyone who dares to say they dont like wow?

Same amount SOE pays to pump their loser line-up and say how WoW is like Mc....

OP - this post is a waste - you prove nothing...

Just stated and showed some ways blizzard helps new comers and alts reach the end game...

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Palebane

I'm dying, your dying, we're all dying. It's not a conspiracy. All that is born will someday die.

 

Yes, but that's because we all are giant biological water bags, living for 70 years on a water planet.

Batman, Micky Mouse, Mario and Azeroth have ... no limits to their lives.

So expect Azeroth to be around for more years than you water bag will hold together.

:)

What MMO has outlived a human being?  Yeah so the above comment was pretty stupid.  UO is probably one of the longest living and while I don't want to speculate I can't imagine it having too large of a following anymore.  Despite that example several MMOs have bitten the dust as well and everyone knows (including Blizzard) that Azeroths days are numbered which is why they are working so dilligently on their new MMO.

Originally posted by tkreep

Originally posted by xiirot

Originally posted by Hyanmen

The sun is dying too :(

 

stop trolling the sun.. why do you hate the sun so much?

 

the sun copied WoW

lmao