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CO just slid out of the top 100 in XFire and it seems to be still going down. In a couple of months it will probably be close to CoX  with a rank of 2-300.

Too bad though, the game could have been something if Cryptic pushed the envelope and added villains from start.

The primary reason for the slide is lack of content. The Game has approximtely 1 to 2 months worth of content for the average player. After that you can try out different power sets but the content will be exactly the same as the first character you leveled. Most people quickly get tired of this and grow bored. The core game is good and is fun to play. If your thinking of spending $50 on a single player game this game would be a good alternative to that. Play it as a single player game, play out the free month or two months or whatever they are giving, then put it back on the shelf and move on. I will probably cancel my sub after I play bloodmoon unless they have something else major in the pipeline for early to mid november.

Originally posted by Yamota

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CO just slid out of the top 100 in XFire and it seems to be still going down. In a couple of months it will probably be close to CoX  with a rank of 2-300.

Too bad though, the game could have been something if Cryptic pushed the envelope and added villains from start.

I completely agree with that. But I guess they for sure didnt have enough content to provide the bad guys. If they planned it from the start cleverly tho they could've organized the quests so you could choose to solve them a good way or a bad way (fable  / KOTR style).

would've doubled->tripled their content reuse and replay value.

but noooooo, they just had to be greedy and postphone that for some paid expansion.

I went with the 6 month subscription, and can't even play anymore as I suddenly started rubber-banding non-stop and no one at Cryptic seems very concerned.

Guess I learned my lesson about going greater than month to month. There's absolutely nothing I can do, even though the game is currently unplayable for me.

OR....it could also be that X-fire stopped working in CO a few months back with an Xfire patch. I have been writting Xfire support on this for a while. I am sure that since Xfire won't launch with it and you cannot take any screen shots or video it would have no impact on CO's Xfire ranking.

Yes because CoV was such a savior for CoH.  Frankly if Cryptic retains CoX numbers they will be very happy.  But yes it launched content light since it went open world instead of indoor instances that highlights the low zone count.  Course CoX highlights that its instanced indoors by repeating the same 5? interiors ;)

My problem with CO though is that maintained powers and shift blocking isn't terribly responsive, so I mash a lot more than I'd like to.  Otherwise it a fun game that will take some time to flesh out.

naw cox has more than 5 interors. if ya ever messed with the ae building an tried to make misisons youd see theirs a ton of maps .an as i have said ton of times x fire doesnt play well with some games . it doesnt report hours right or some times at all. but part of the slide could be the server problems co has had as well that would afect hours played to.

Originally posted by Yamota

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CO just slid out of the top 100 in XFire and it seems to be still going down. In a couple of months it will probably be close to CoX  with a rank of 2-300.

Too bad though, the game could have been something if Cryptic pushed the envelope and added villains from start.

So what is your point exactly?

Originally posted by Maelkor

The primary reason for the slide is lack of content. The Game has approximtely 1 to 2 months worth of content for the average player. After that you can try out different power sets but the content will be exactly the same as the first character you leveled. Most people quickly get tired of this and grow bored. The core game is good and is fun to play. If your thinking of spending $50 on a single player game this game would be a good alternative to that. Play it as a single player game, play out the free month or two months or whatever they are giving, then put it back on the shelf and move on. I will probably cancel my sub after I play bloodmoon unless they have something else major in the pipeline for early to mid november.

My thoughts exactly.

Originally posted by Maelkor

The primary reason for the slide is lack of content. The Game has approximtely 1 to 2 months worth of content for the average player. After that you can try out different power sets but the content will be exactly the same as the first character you leveled. Most people quickly get tired of this and grow bored. The core game is good and is fun to play. If your thinking of spending $50 on a single player game this game would be a good alternative to that. Play it as a single player game, play out the free month or two months or whatever they are giving, then put it back on the shelf and move on. I will probably cancel my sub after I play bloodmoon unless they have something else major in the pipeline for early to mid november.

Tell me what is the difference with any other games out there, Aion just came out and if you reroll you will have to redo the same exact quest line unless you change sides. What about WoW, same exact thing happen, the only difference is the starting area and after that is the same quest line. WAR is the same, if you want to lvl you have to run the quest if every 3 zones of your faction. So again, why everyone complain about that in CO but you have the same in every other game, seem to me like people are just looking for a reason abd can not come up with a good one. Same thing with the "it's too solo friendly" but every game out there you can max out solo, people cry when they have to group, just look at FFXI forum and you will see.

Give CO a break, it's been out for less than 2 months and they did a hell of a job adding content and fixing stuff. For people who are rubberbanding, just play with your setting and it should fix it, like removing the outline or the water effect in Lemuria, but stop complaining about the game because your PC can't run it and please spare the "I can run all the new game on max", so obviously you are doing something wrong.

Cryptic did what they did with COH and Mythic did with LOTRO: They started wih very little content and added more later.

The problem is that it worked better last time since there really only were one super hero MMO out there so you didn't have a choice if you liked the genre.

Now there is already CoX and soon will SOE release the DCU also... And Marvel is talking about making a MMO too now (I guess they backed out on CO because they didn't think it was solid enough.

Too little content is a big problem in MMOs and Cryptic would have done theirselfs a big favour if they waited releasing a year while adding content. And while the Nemesis is rather cool from the pen and paper game it is not enough, people want to be able to play bad also.

Cryptic are probably overworked since they also make Star trek and Neverwinter nights. But it is better to focus on one game until it is good enough and then start on next instead of releasing 3 games that needs more polish and content.

I don't think it is just problems with X-fire, AoC have also some issues with it and they are still in the middle of the top 100 list. It can surely add to the lower ratings and some of it might be the fact that X-fire curves get less reliable the ferwer people who plays it, in Wows case you can see if the servers are down one hour but with a game like CO could you get weird spikes just if a few guys get a day of work or decide to do something else for a few days.

But I think we can be sure that falling from 25 to 106 with a graph that looks like the stock market 1929 isn't a good sign. They need to add some content ASAP or they will lose their subs to CoX and DCU.

Originally posted by ghost047

Tell me what is the difference with any other games out there, Aion just came out and if you reroll you will have to redo the same exact quest line unless you change sides. What about WoW, same exact thing happen, the only difference is the starting area and after that is the same quest line. WAR is the same, if you want to lvl you have to run the quest if every 3 zones of your faction. So again, why everyone complain about that in CO but you have the same in every other game, seem to me like people are just looking for a reason abd can not come up with a good one. Same thing with the "it's too solo friendly" but every game out there you can max out solo, people cry when they have to group, just look at FFXI forum and you will see.

Give CO a break, it's been out for less than 2 months and they did a hell of a job adding content and fixing stuff. For people who are rubberbanding, just play with your setting and it should fix it, like removing the outline or the water effect in Lemuria, but stop complaining about the game because your PC can't run it and please spare the "I can run all the new game on max", so obviously you are doing something wrong.

ok much as i didint like wow their was a difrent feel for areas you started in an yoiu did not have to take the same quest lines.each starting area had difrent quests (tho kill x or gather x were similar in each ).thier was not a feeling of a lack of quests (most were easy so sooo easy) as in co.

warhammer difrent starting areas again you did not have to take the same quest lines .but with war an wow you could play good or evil an thats lacking in co.

now as far as giving co a break im in my fre month. so far their log in servers been messed up,yesterday they had problems geting character to load for hours.capes disapear an only way to getm back is reloading the costum an it does it on character select to.mission doors not lighitng up so you speen hour or so trying to find entry clicking every posible door.while getn jumped by mobs in the area.powers that your beter off takeing other powers with its effect like enrage than takeing the enrage power.

realy dont need to give it a break it keeps breaking it self.puting out the c store costuems an rertcons before adding a good amont of content looks bad.an i dont hold much water with x fire but their are threads on co forums about the population drop.

oh ya an attacking some ones comp for playing a game ,you want people to give a break .doesnt work.games buggy its got problems .an their adressing them in the item shop?item shop>than bug fixes aprently.. not classy at all.guess all the people who had log in problems or getn past character select yesterday it was THEIR  comps fault?

Originally posted by Axeion

ok much as i didint like wow their was a difrent feel for areas you started in an yoiu did not have to take the same quest lines.each starting area had difrent quests (tho kill x or gather x were similar in each ).thier was not a feeling of a lack of quests (most were easy so sooo easy) as in co.

warhammer difrent starting areas again you did not have to take the same quest lines .but with war an wow you could play good or evil an thats lacking in co.

Looks like you haven't read my post, as I said, the only difference is the starting area, in WAR, if you want to lvl properly you still have to do the 3 factions zone in every tier, in WoW, at lvl 8 you have the first instance and by lvl 15, Hordes and Alliance share the same map and quest line.

now as far as giving co a break im in my fre month. so far their log in servers been messed up,yesterday they had problems geting character to load for hours.capes disapear an only way to getm back is reloading the costum an it does it on character select to.mission doors not lighitng up so you speen hour or so trying to find entry clicking every posible door.while getn jumped by mobs in the area.powers that your beter off takeing other powers with its effect like enrage than takeing the enrage power.

Every new game will have problem at launch, we all know that, but it seems you are impatient and there is nothing I can do about that. If you really thinks that I have a bad playing experience because my cape disappear, now your just looking at excuses. If you spent hours looking for a door, you need better glasses, there is a green ring on the map that show you the small area where the door should be (never had this problem and it is the first time I hear about it)

realy dont need to give it a break it keeps breaking it self.puting out the c store costuems an rertcons before adding a good amont of content looks bad.an i dont hold much water with x fire but their are threads on co forums about the population drop.

Maybe you don't understand the structure in the company, the have all kinds of department, the people who makes the C-Store costume don't work in the same department as creation content. Of cousre the population dropped, the first free month is over and you see this in every game, nothing new, so again, that point is invalid, VSH, AoC, WAR and even Aion have a drop after the first month. Sometimes I wonder if people have any momeries of the past? First time in history of MMO that we see drop after the first free month!!!

oh ya an attacking some ones comp for playing a game ,you want people to give a break .doesnt work.games buggy its got problems .an their adressing them in the item shop?item shop>than bug fixes aprently.. not classy at all.guess all the people who had log in problems or getn past character select yesterday it was THEIR  comps fault?

Again, different department, don't confuse lagging and rubberbanding issues with logging problem, it feels like you know nothing about what you're talking about. If you have lag and rubberband in Lumeria, try playing with your setting, Lemuria is a known issue but can be resolve in the graphix options and for the rest of the game, there is no lagging. If you say you can't run the game, then don't blame the game because many player can run it, so how you explain that, we new the specs of the game before buying it, maybe it's time to buy a new PC. Logging problem as nothing to do with your computer and saying otherwise just show how nothing you know on the subject.

there is only one problem with the game. Developers decided to not listen to the players. Example = early release = no villains + huge nerf. The game 2 days before launch day was fine but we all know what happened. They gave us a nerf to make it take longer to level since there was no content later on.  

Why do people insist on using Xfire numbers when not enough mmo gamers  use xfire?

(AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH dances with hot  cell-shaded superheroine)

2 things;

I play a lot of games and dont have xfire, I dont see the purpose or it.

But also I have a lifetime sub and cant really bring myself to play CO all that often.

Decent game, fun sometimes, but not all that engauging.

Just my opinion as thousands of people like it a lot.

Originally posted by RavingRabbid

Why do people insist on using Xfire numbers when not enough mmo gamers  use xfire?

(AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH dances with hot  cell-shaded superheroine)

Exactly.  It's a fact that no one knows the exact percentage of the gaming population that uses X-fire.  Nor, does anyone know the exact percentage of CO players that use X-fire.  X-fire is not statistical evidence.  When X-fire figures are used to attempt to validate the decline or increase of total gaming population that plays X game, then two things happen:

1. The person who took these X-fire figures and used them in the context of total gaming population comparisons between games has no fracking clue what Statistics actually means.
2. And, the same person almost always makes an ass out of himself or herself.

All these so-called "X-fire stats" are are guesses.  They provide no actual statistical data.  They are not hard "proof" of anything.  All they are are guesses.  And piss-poor ones at that.

I bought the 6 month sub and just can't bring myself to log in anymore.  I have since went back to LotRO.  It's sad, I really wanted to like this game, but the lack of content is just stupid.  Having to take missions 3 levels above you ALL the time means that there is NOT enough content..  The devs just added more stuff to the C-Store and continue to make nerfs, but still have not added more content.  And no...3 small instances that look very familiar to earlier dungeons does not seal the content gap.  The devs need to get their priorities straight or their going to loose the rest of the population of the game.  I know I won't be resubbing unless they make some major changes and add a lot more content.

Originally posted by junzo316

 Having to take missions 3 levels above you ALL the time means that there is NOT enough content..  The devs just added more stuff to the C-Store and continue to make nerfs, but still have not added more content.

I never had to take missions 3 lvls above me at anytime during my lvling, same lvl or 1 lvl higher. If you did is because you did like many, you rush to the end and you skip many missions. I would be curious to see those toon and check all the missions you missed, can you link you toon from Cryptics website?

Again C-Store and content are different department.

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by junzo316

 Having to take missions 3 levels above you ALL the time means that there is NOT enough content..  The devs just added more stuff to the C-Store and continue to make nerfs, but still have not added more content.

 

I never had to take missions 3 lvls above me at anytime during my lvling, same lvl or 1 lvl higher. If you did is because you did like many, you rush to the end and you skip many missions. I would be curious to see those toon and check all the missions you missed, can you link you toon from Cryptics website?

Again C-Store and content are different department.

You are just full of assumptions.  I'm not one of those that rush to the end.  If missions were missed, I blame cryptic for not making them more apparent.  Hidden missions does not help the lack of content, which can't be argued.  It has been proven time and time again that there are content gaps in game, Cryptic has admitted it, so your claims that there are none are rather silly. 

If they are different departments for the C-Store and content, then they need to re-evaluate their hiring practice and place more employees on content.  The game is bleeding subs because there is not enough content.  Cryptic needs to evaluate whats more important, the store or their subs...