Originally posted by kiddyno071

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Evil is a subjective term; good and evil are defined by ones point of view, therefore to use the term "evil", or "good" already begins an unbalanced and heavily bias discussion. 

 

That's the exact same BULLSHIT logic liberals use to justify abortion, yet don't want convicted murderers to be put to death.

no sale.

 

Please help, you tell me what evil mean?  You tell me how mean of evil not change do to how me think?  Or how you think?  What fuk I write have to do with liberal logic?  Me not talk about political spot.  Me think all human can be "evil".  Me hope me write so you understand. 

Wow its painful trying to talk Faxxer.

in ONE sentence I showed you your fallicy.  try and refute it if you dare.

Morality is not subject to one's view....with that logic a pedophile can say he has done nothing wrong now can't he?

FOOLISH thought for foolish liberals.

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Evil is a subjective term; good and evil are defined by ones point of view, therefore to use the term "evil", or "good" already begins an unbalanced and heavily bias discussion. 

 

That's the exact same BULLSHIT logic liberals use to justify abortion, yet don't want convicted murderers to be put to death.

no sale.

 

Please help, you tell me what evil mean?  You tell me how mean of evil not change do to how me think?  Or how you think?  What fuk I write have to do with liberal logic?  Me not talk about political spot.  Me think all human can be "evil".  Me hope me write so you understand. 

Wow its painful trying to talk Faxxer.

 

in ONE sentence I showed you your fallicy.  try and refute it if you dare.

Morality is not subject to one's view....with that logic a pedophile can say he has done nothing wrong now can't he?

FOOLISH thought for foolish liberals.

Well guess what: Pedophilia isn't forbidden because of moral reasons.

Also, did you seriously just try to compare the murder of a human person to abortion?

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Originally posted by Faxxer
 

That's the exact same BULLSHIT logic liberals use to justify abortion, yet don't want convicted murderers to be put to death.

no sale.

Please help, you tell me what evil mean?  You tell me how mean of evil not change do to how me think?  Or how you think?  What fuk I write have to do with liberal logic?  Me not talk about political spot.  Me think all human can be "evil".  Me hope me write so you understand. 

Wow its painful trying to talk Faxxer.

in ONE sentence I showed you your fallicy.  try and refute it if you dare.

Morality is not subject to one's view....with that logic a pedophile can say he has done nothing wrong now can't he?

FOOLISH thought for foolish liberals.

Well guess what: Pedophilia isn't forbidden because of moral reasons.

Also, did you seriously just try to compare the murder of a human person to abortion?

No, if you and I are reading the same lines, I believe he just compared the justifiable punishment of a murderer to the termination of an unborn human being who has done nothing to deserve being poisoned in saline solution and having its limbs ripped from its body.  But who knows, maybe you're reading something I am not.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Originally posted by Faxxer
 

That's the exact same BULLSHIT logic liberals use to justify abortion, yet don't want convicted murderers to be put to death.

no sale.

Please help, you tell me what evil mean?  You tell me how mean of evil not change do to how me think?  Or how you think?  What fuk I write have to do with liberal logic?  Me not talk about political spot.  Me think all human can be "evil".  Me hope me write so you understand. 

Wow its painful trying to talk Faxxer.

in ONE sentence I showed you your fallicy.  try and refute it if you dare.

Morality is not subject to one's view....with that logic a pedophile can say he has done nothing wrong now can't he?

FOOLISH thought for foolish liberals.

Well guess what: Pedophilia isn't forbidden because of moral reasons.

Also, did you seriously just try to compare the murder of a human person to abortion?

 

No, if you and I are reading the same lines, I believe he just compared the justifiable punishment of a murderer to the termination of an unborn human being who has done nothing to deserve being poisoned in saline solution and having its limbs ripped from its body.  But who knows, maybe you're reading something I am not.

After reading his post again, it becomes clear that he does think a born human person is the same thing as an unborn fetus.

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by kiddyno071

 

Please help, you tell me what evil mean?  You tell me how mean of evil not change do to how me think?  Or how you think?  What fuk I write have to do with liberal logic?  Me not talk about political spot.  Me think all human can be "evil".  Me hope me write so you understand. 

Wow its painful trying to talk Faxxer.

 

in ONE sentence I showed you your fallicy.  try and refute it if you dare.

Morality is not subject to one's view....with that logic a pedophile can say he has done nothing wrong now can't he?

FOOLISH thought for foolish liberals.

Me try again.  What evil mean to you?  You no answer my question?  Morality is common thinks of bunch of people.  It be subjective view of them.  Me give example you get.  Nazi kill many Jews.  That bad!  Nazi led by "evil" man.  "Evil" man not act morally.  "Evil" man not think he "evil".   

You no refute anything.  You just spew hate for liberal.  You just show me how dumb you be. 

For last time. Me not liberal. Me not conservative.  Me American.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

Well guess what: Pedophilia isn't forbidden because of moral reasons.

Also, did you seriously just try to compare the murder of a human person to abortion?

No, if you and I are reading the same lines, I believe he just compared the justifiable punishment of a murderer to the termination of an unborn human being who has done nothing to deserve being poisoned in saline solution and having its limbs ripped from its body.  But who knows, maybe you're reading something I am not.

After reading his post again, it becomes clear that he does think a born human person is the same thing as an unborn fetus.

Or to put another way, the guilty are not the same as the innocent.  Oh wait, that's right, guilt and innocence are all subjective anyway.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

Well guess what: Pedophilia isn't forbidden because of moral reasons.

Also, did you seriously just try to compare the murder of a human person to abortion?

No, if you and I are reading the same lines, I believe he just compared the justifiable punishment of a murderer to the termination of an unborn human being who has done nothing to deserve being poisoned in saline solution and having its limbs ripped from its body.  But who knows, maybe you're reading something I am not.

After reading his post again, it becomes clear that he does think a born human person is the same thing as an unborn fetus.

 

Or to put another way, the guilty are not the same as the innocent.  Oh wait, that's right, guilt and innocence are all subjective anyway.

Being guilty or innocent is completely irrelevant to the situation at hand.

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Evil is a subjective term; good and evil are defined by ones point of view, therefore to use the term "evil", or "good" already begins an unbalanced and heavily bias discussion. 

 

All opinions about anything are subjective, everyone is biased. In fact all words are subjective, as are all ideas taht one can hold in one's head about anything -- even one's ideas about facts.

One balances one's discussion by defining one's terms, as I have done enough for people to know what I mean. However, as an act of grace, I will share with you the contextual definition of freedom for this discussion (as I have many times).

I mean to use force to deprive another of liberty. To my subjective view, that is evil. Not the only kind of evil, but evil nonetheless.

The other context is that truth is a value.

As I stated, this is openly what modern liberals favor. Conservatives openly favor human rights.

Modern liberalism believes the ends justify the means as well (forcibly depriving people of liberty for some "end."). Conservatives tend not to believe that.

Therefore Conservatives are guilty of hypocrisy; liberals, openly evil as I have defined it (many, many times).

 

I appreciate you sharing your point of view about your use of the word "evil" and further sharing your beliefs about conservatives and liberals.  I will humbly disagree.  The human animal is much too complex, IMO, to so simply lump large groups of people into so narrow a portrayal.

Then  no one can discuss anything ever -- since all human thoughts, studies and conversations are the products of reducing complexities into generalizations for the sake of discussion. I use conservative and liberal because that is how humans have chosen to classify themselves. When discussing their views on political economy.

You basically just removed yourself from humanity by refusing to generalize from complexity.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Evil is a subjective term; good and evil are defined by ones point of view, therefore to use the term "evil", or "good" already begins an unbalanced and heavily bias discussion. 

 

Wow!  So does that mean if I think Hitler was a good guy, from my point of view, I'm correct?

It does not mean you are correct - clearly you need to reread my post.  But you are afforded your opinion based on your POV and if you think Hitler was a good guy, many would disagree with you, me being one of them, then have at it.

Let me put it this way using your post, did Hitler see himself as "evil"? 

Lets use a current example, are the members of the Taliban "evil"?  What would someone from the Taliban say?   

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Evil is a subjective term; good and evil are defined by ones point of view, therefore to use the term "evil", or "good" already begins an unbalanced and heavily bias discussion. 

 

Wow!  So does that mean if I think Hitler was a good guy, from my point of view, I'm correct?

Also, he never has any reason to ever venture forth an opinion on ANYTHING. he has effectively left the building of human discussion.

This is how relativism collapses in on itself and refutes itself. It is the END of discourse.

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Evil is a subjective term; good and evil are defined by ones point of view, therefore to use the term "evil", or "good" already begins an unbalanced and heavily bias discussion. 

 

Wow!  So does that mean if I think Hitler was a good guy, from my point of view, I'm correct?

 

It does not mean you are correct - clearly you need to reread my post.  But you are afforded your opinion based on your POV and if you think Hitler was a good guy, many would disagree with you, me being one of them, then have at it.

Let me put it this way using your post, did Hitler see himself as "evil"? 

Lets use a current example, are the members of the Taliban "evil"?  What would someone from the Taliban say?   

Then there is never any point for you to discuss anything with anyone. Best to leave human conversation to those of us who would be human and not cause the destruction of ideas. However thanks for showing how relativism collapses into nihilism and destroys any hope for human interchange.

Witness the destruction of reason that stems from post-modernism.

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by kiddyno071

 

Please help, you tell me what evil mean?  You tell me how mean of evil not change do to how me think?  Or how you think?  What fuk I write have to do with liberal logic?  Me not talk about political spot.  Me think all human can be "evil".  Me hope me write so you understand. 

Wow its painful trying to talk Faxxer.

 

in ONE sentence I showed you your fallicy.  try and refute it if you dare.

Morality is not subject to one's view....with that logic a pedophile can say he has done nothing wrong now can't he?

FOOLISH thought for foolish liberals.

 

Me try again.  What evil mean to you?  You no answer my question?  Morality is common thinks of bunch of people.  It be subjective view of them.  Me give example you get.  Nazi kill many Jews.  That bad!  Nazi led by "evil" man.  "Evil" man not act morally.  "Evil" man not think he "evil".   

You no refute anything.  You just spew hate for liberal.  You just show me how dumb you be. 

For last time. Me not liberal. Me not conservative.  Me American.

i get it now, you're simply a coward.

you won't admit anything is evil, yet you dare to question anyone else on defining it?  coward.

I call cowardly ppl evil too.

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by kiddyno071

 

Please help, you tell me what evil mean?  You tell me how mean of evil not change do to how me think?  Or how you think?  What fuk I write have to do with liberal logic?  Me not talk about political spot.  Me think all human can be "evil".  Me hope me write so you understand. 

Wow its painful trying to talk Faxxer.

 

in ONE sentence I showed you your fallicy.  try and refute it if you dare.

Morality is not subject to one's view....with that logic a pedophile can say he has done nothing wrong now can't he?

FOOLISH thought for foolish liberals.

 

Me try again.  What evil mean to you?  You no answer my question?  Morality is common thinks of bunch of people.  It be subjective view of them.  Me give example you get.  Nazi kill many Jews.  That bad!  Nazi led by "evil" man.  "Evil" man not act morally.  "Evil" man not think he "evil".   

You no refute anything.  You just spew hate for liberal.  You just show me how dumb you be. 

For last time. Me not liberal. Me not conservative.  Me American.

 

i get it now, you're simply a coward.

you won't admit anything is evil, yet you dare to question anyone else on defining it?  coward.

I call cowardly ppl evil too.

No he doesn't.

You think that there is a pre - set definition of what is evil or not.

Kiddyno realises that the term evil is open for interpretation. What you think is considered evil may not be considered evil by somebody else.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Evil is a subjective term; good and evil are defined by ones point of view, therefore to use the term "evil", or "good" already begins an unbalanced and heavily bias discussion. 

 

Wow!  So does that mean if I think Hitler was a good guy, from my point of view, I'm correct?

 

It does not mean you are correct - clearly you need to reread my post.  But you are afforded your opinion based on your POV and if you think Hitler was a good guy, many would disagree with you, me being one of them, then have at it.

Let me put it this way using your post, did Hitler see himself as "evil"? 

Lets use a current example, are the members of the Taliban "evil"?  What would someone from the Taliban say?   

 

Then there is never any point for you to discuss anything with anyone. Best to leave human conversation to those of us who would be human and not cause the destruction of ideas. However thanks for showing how relativism collapses into nihilism and destroys any hope for human interchange.

Witness the destruction of reason that stems from post-modernism.

Deja vu post?  

I have said this before Fisher though not for some time, but you are at times so "black and white" it is truly unfortunate.  I have seen you debate many topics with an air a panache and even developed mutual respect for your often differing opinions.  I am sorry but I find your multiple responses to be arrogant and asinine.  If you want to be this black and white with what I wrote, so be it, but I will never resort to the gross generalizations that some seem to use.  I do not agree with your broad brush classification of conservatives or liberals.  If this act removes me from the discourse of human conversation than I am sure I will be happier for it. 

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by kiddyno071

 

Please help, you tell me what evil mean?  You tell me how mean of evil not change do to how me think?  Or how you think?  What fuk I write have to do with liberal logic?  Me not talk about political spot.  Me think all human can be "evil".  Me hope me write so you understand. 

Wow its painful trying to talk Faxxer.

 

in ONE sentence I showed you your fallicy.  try and refute it if you dare.

Morality is not subject to one's view....with that logic a pedophile can say he has done nothing wrong now can't he?

FOOLISH thought for foolish liberals.

 

Me try again.  What evil mean to you?  You no answer my question?  Morality is common thinks of bunch of people.  It be subjective view of them.  Me give example you get.  Nazi kill many Jews.  That bad!  Nazi led by "evil" man.  "Evil" man not act morally.  "Evil" man not think he "evil".   

You no refute anything.  You just spew hate for liberal.  You just show me how dumb you be. 

For last time. Me not liberal. Me not conservative.  Me American.

 

i get it now, you're simply a coward.

you won't admit anything is evil, yet you dare to question anyone else on defining it?  coward.

I call cowardly ppl evil too.

That... not... what... me... say... dumb... dumb.

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Evil is a subjective term; good and evil are defined by ones point of view, therefore to use the term "evil", or "good" already begins an unbalanced and heavily bias discussion. 

 

Wow!  So does that mean if I think Hitler was a good guy, from my point of view, I'm correct?

 

It does not mean you are correct - clearly you need to reread my post.  But you are afforded your opinion based on your POV and if you think Hitler was a good guy, many would disagree with you, me being one of them, then have at it.

Let me put it this way using your post, did Hitler see himself as "evil"? 

Lets use a current example, are the members of the Taliban "evil"?  What would someone from the Taliban say?   

 

Then there is never any point for you to discuss anything with anyone. Best to leave human conversation to those of us who would be human and not cause the destruction of ideas. However thanks for showing how relativism collapses into nihilism and destroys any hope for human interchange.

Witness the destruction of reason that stems from post-modernism.

 

Deja vu post?  

I have said this before Fisher though not for some time, but you are at times so "black and white" it is truly unfortunate.  I have seen you debate many topics with an air a panache and even developed mutual respect for your often differing opinions.  I am sorry but I find your multiple responses to be arrogant and asinine.  If you want to be this black and white with what I wrote, so be it, but I will never resort to the gross generalizations that some seem to use.  I do not agree with your broad brush classification of conservatives or liberals.  If this act removes me from the discourse of human conversation than I am sure I will be happier for it. 

There is no grey without black or white. without black or white there is nothing. The end or relativism is nihilism. I honestly don't believe you believe what you are saying here. take it to its final conclusion -- you can't believe in anything.

I do find often this is where the new left ends up. Interesting. First you prove them wrong, then -- there is no wrong!

However Kiddy what you are noticing is me getting bored due to a lack of challenge here. All I am doing is repeating myself over and over again and getting baa baa baa in response.

Not from you, or Enki,  for the most part, but from the usual suspects here. The people on this board are not really a challenge. The only real challenge I find these days is when I argue my semi-universalistic approach to Christianity vs brother Zindy's more traditional outlook, but that is so recondite it's almost wrong to even debate that here.

I've started posting and reading about religion however where people discuss religion; politics where people talk about politics. Arguing with my fellow gamers about these things is getting real old. No challenge here. Just a lot of hate and Obamabot-ism.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Faxxer

i get it now, you're simply a coward.

you won't admit anything is evil, yet you dare to question anyone else on defining it?  coward.

I call cowardly ppl evil too.

No he doesn't.

You think that there is a pre - set definition of what is evil or not.

Kiddyno realises that the term evil is open for interpretation. What you think is considered evil may not be considered evil by somebody else.

When I read a post like this, I just have to get down on my knees and thank God that I do not subscribe to this kind of messed-up, convoluted nonesense.

Let me respond to this ridiculous philosophy with a quote from Jeffrey Burton Russell's book, Mephistopheles: The Devil in the Modern World.

Chapter 1: Evil

"The existence of radical evil is clear to anyone not blinded by current relativism...Perhaps only sociopaths lack this direct intuition.  On November 14, 1984, UPI reported:

Cynthia Palmer, 29, and her live-in boyfriend, John Lane, 36, pleaded innocent to burning to death Mrs. Palmer's 4-year-old daughter in an oven.  The two, who told neighbors shortly before their arrest that they were "cooking Lucifer," were arraigned Tuesday in Androscoggin County (Maine) Superior court.  They were arrested Oct. 27 at their Auburn tenement apartment.  Angela Palmer was found stuffed in the electric oven.  The door was jammed shut with a chair."

Is that kind of act open to interpretation?

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Faxxer

i get it now, you're simply a coward.

you won't admit anything is evil, yet you dare to question anyone else on defining it?  coward.

I call cowardly ppl evil too.

No he doesn't.

You think that there is a pre - set definition of what is evil or not.

Kiddyno realises that the term evil is open for interpretation. What you think is considered evil may not be considered evil by somebody else.

 

When I read a post like this, I just have to get down on my knees and thank God that I do not subscribe to this kind of messed-up, convoluted nonesense.

Let me respond to this ridiculous philosophy with a quote from Jeffrey Burton Russell's book, Mephistopheles: The Devil in the Modern World.

Chapter 1: Evil

"The existence of radical evil is clear to anyone not blinded by current relativism...Perhaps only sociopaths lack this direct intuition.  On November 14, 1984, UPI reported:

Cynthia Palmer, 29, and her live-in boyfriend, John Lane, 36, pleaded innocent to burning to death Mrs. Palmer's 4-year-old daughter in an oven.  The two, who told neighbors shortly before their arrest that they were "cooking Lucifer," were arraigned Tuesday in Androscoggin County (Maine) Superior court.  They were arrested Oct. 27 at their Auburn tenement apartment.  Angela Palmer was found stuffed in the electric oven.  The door was jammed shut with a chair."

Is that kind of act open to interpretation?

You're tackling this subject the wrong way.

You ask of me if that kind of act is open to interpretation, but what you're really asking of me is if I find that evil.

Evil is subjective. We use the word evil to describe things that offend, sicken or disgust us, but because in many cases everybody has different things that offend, sicken or disgust us, evil is also different for each person.
That doesn't mean that most people don't have a common agreement of what is considered evil. The example you gave is one where most people would consider that evil.

Take the bull fighting in Spain for instance. It's an old tradition. Personally, the idea of killing bulls just because it is a tradition sickens me. I consider that evil. Obviously a spanish bullfighter does not think that's evil.

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Originally posted by Faxxer

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/world/europe/25surveillance.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

quote..

under a law enacted in 2000 to regulate surveillance powers, it is legal for localities to follow residents secretly. Local governments regularly use these surveillance powers — which they “self-authorize,” without oversight from judges or law enforcement officers — to investigate malfeasance like illegally dumping industrial waste, loan-sharking and falsely claiming welfare benefits.

But they also use them to investigate reports of noise pollution and people who do not clean up their dogs’ waste. Local governments use them to catch people who fail to recycle, people who put their trash out too early, people who sell fireworks without licenses, people whose dogs bark too loudly and people who illegally operate taxicabs.

 

end quote...

 

Freedom doesn't exist hardly at all any more in the UK...this link blew my mind.

Sadly the UK citizens didn't realize their freedom was being etched away bit by bit.

It's no wonder to many NON US ppl think we're off base when we get worked up over freedom, ...they've pretty much sold theirs into oblivion.

freedom is being sliced up like a pie, and ppl are happy to help divide it up...

here's an example...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk:80/news/article-1218225/Internet-game-awards-points-people-spotting-crimes-CCTV-cameras-branded-snoopers-paradise.html?printingPage=true

This is just the beginning.....

 

"A new internet game is about to be launched which allows 'super snooper' players to plug into the nation's CCTV cameras and report on members of the public committing crimes.

The 'Internet Eyes' service involves players scouring thousands of CCTV cameras installed in shops, businesses and town centres across Britain looking for law-breakers.

Players who help catch the most criminals each month will win cash prizes up to £1,000."
 

 

All that's left is to define what a crime is to fit a political opponent or religious group that the leaders don't like...and it's on.

 

Once again i will point out that the Daily Mail is hardly a good source of news as its even more open about its political bias than Faux News.

Of couse you will disagree as you love to have your beliefs an opinions spoon fed into you by certain obviosly biassed information sources. Demonstrating the extent of your abillaty for independant thought in todays American 'free' society.

 

I call bullshit.

Are you saying this is a made up news story?

Are you saying this Isn't true?

rather than liberal tactic 101 - discredit source, why don't you address the CONTENT of the story eh?

Faxxer we don't typically agree on anything but generally I respect what you have to say.  What you are calling "liberal tactic 101" here- the basic ad hominem attack- is used just as often by conservatives.  It is a bit funny that you are DOING exactly what you are accusing your opponent of doing. 

Making a broad generalization like this doesn't usually strengthen your position.  There are liberals AND conservatives that use cheap debate tactics all the time.