First off I want to say thank you to the insightful posters out there that actually make forum threads worthwhile.

Now I promised myself that i wouldn't become a troll or flamer on any post or thread, so I jsut want to get something off my chest....

I like wow, I like aion and I like AoC all for different reasons.....the later cause i get to see boobs, but still its a reason!! Why can't all you people that insist on shoving your pov in our faces relax a little!!! Keep an open mind, because things aint so bad when it comes to wow or any game you DECIDE to give a try. Just imagine what it would feel like if you worked for years for a company, that truely didn't get it and ended up creating a total piece of crap game that folded 6 months after release.....THAT would suck.

And just so you know, I have been playing mmos for about 6 years neither ground-breaking or noobish......but i like wow more then anything thing out there right now......so keep playing what you want!!
 

some ppl think those "spoon fedding, not 1337 enought" games kill the genre, instead seen it as lil step in to something big, then what´s gonna happend? FORUM WARS!!!, sad indeed =(

I dunno, I have come to the conclusion that this website has become utterly useless over time. No matter what you write in the forums, your going to have a group of people that would like to see your head on a pike and your endtrails dangling underneath. In fact, the sad thing is, that someone will probably mention that your opinion doesn't matter because you mentioned AoC in your post in a non-negative way. There seems to be very little moderation with keeping things on topic - or even at all.

The rating system is (and has been for a long time) completely FUBAR. I see games that have a extremely small player base with the same rating of popularity as games that have a massive player base. This is one of the reasons why I have always ignored internet polls.

The articles are either hit or miss. They sometimes have articles that really make me think (or rethink) about a specific game or idea. Other times, it's very siluar to tabloid reporting with facts that only seem to back their opinions (not reporting on the complete picture).

I wonder if I start a thread about "MMORPG - the end is near!" if a flame war will start between the MMORPG fanboys and the haters. Gah... I hate those terms. Fanboys .. Haters... feels like something out of a 1970s high school musical.

EDIT: And the biggest problem that everyone sees on this website on a regular basis are the posters. Yes... I am talking about you and I. If it isn't my opinion .. you need to stfu and die... seems to be the common response.

EDIT2: Maybe we can call the next generation - Generation Me

  I don't feel the website is useless personally.  Unfortunately I have been having a lot of free time at work, so I spend it here out of boredom.  But I am finding that the most vocal people, often but not always, or here simply to argue, and they seem to have no idea how subjective their opinions are.  There are enough vague statistic out that they can 'back up their ideas' usually, if they haven't just made up stats on their own, which unfortunately is often the case.

   Several decent threads will start, and they will be swamped by the same 6 people are so, who resort to counter argueing each other to the point that anyone else's replies will be buried and lost almost immediately.  But it is those posts that I find the most instructive and interesting, even if they differ from my own.

   Browse here long enough, and you start to learn the names of people you simply skip over, and look for comments by the more intelligent, less frequent posters.  If you do that, there are a lot of great posts, and some very smart people here.  I find argueing pointless for another reason besides the obvious one.  You can't write very much, otherwise you ideas are largely skipped.  But if you are too concise, you can't explain your point well enough, and leave yourself open to those attackers seeking just to argue.

    But the good posts are there, and I think if you like this style of gaming, it is important to keep tabs on it and raise concerns and ideas.  I have no doubt it will have no bearing on the large coporations, because their goals are financial and focus group driven.  But there are developers out there that do love these games, and have the same interest in making them good.  One day the tools to do so will be cheap enough that they don't require corporate sponsorship, and then maybe the more intelligent dialogue here will  have an impact.

   In the mean time, no one is going to chill, but why should that effect your game play.  No one should care what other think of your game if you enjoy it.  I think I am niche in everything I do, and I couldn't care less what others think about it.

Ohatro

Like in a MMO you have to filter the chat channels, you have to sift through the threads and their answers. Yes, it's tedious, but some posts are worth it.

Originally posted by Sawlstone

First off I want to say thank you to the insightful posters out there that actually make forum threads worthwhile.

Now I promised myself that i wouldn't become a troll or flamer on any post or thread, so I jsut want to get something off my chest....

I like wow, I like aion and I like AoC all for different reasons.....the later cause i get to see boobs, but still its a reason!! Why can't all you people that insist on shoving your pov in our faces relax a little!!! Keep an open mind, because things aint so bad when it comes to wow or any game you DECIDE to give a try. Just imagine what it would feel like if you worked for years for a company, that truely didn't get it and ended up creating a total piece of crap game that folded 6 months after release.....THAT would suck.

And just so you know, I have been playing mmos for about 6 years neither ground-breaking or noobish......but i like wow more then anything thing out there right now......so keep playing what you want!!
 

I'm not sure what point you were trying to make? 

You go from saying that you like three different MMO's and that we should keep an open mind about it, to how companies work on them and then end up flopping after 6 months. 

Although your post is unclear, it seems that you have had enough with the "WoW sucks" arguement, and decided to open a new thread about it to express your discontent. You may have vented whatever you've built up inside, but this thread won't change anything I'm afraid :/

Unfortunately there seems to be a group of people that go from game to game complaining about each game until it dies.  Doesn't seem to matter whether the game met its design goals, only that it doesn't meet their approval and therefore must die.  Absolutely no patience if it has any problems (like one didn't) with release, bugs, frame rates or whatever.  These people seem to get great joy out of the fact they helped to destroy the said game, usually claiming the game should of stayed in beta until bug free (yah that happened when?) for the next couple of years or so..lol.  If the game releases in a fairly workable manor, they will claim its a WoW ripoff, ignoring the content/ideas that make it different. 

I would like to see people chill out by not complaining about a game that obviously isn't being designed the way you thought it should be.  Say your two cents and move on, complaining about that daily just hurts those that do like the direction the game is headed in.  If you can't stand for a game to be buggy at release, lack some high end content / polish/balance/etc, please don't buy it at release!  Wait a few months until the developers get a handle on it.   Basically if you have no intention of buying the game, quit trying to change the way it was designed, and move on!  The constant whining just hurts those who are having fun with the game as designers try and fix what isn't broke, after all there was nothing they could actually "fix" that would make you a paying customer anyway!

The drama wars are actually good for getting people go "HUH?"  It drives people to games where they might not other wise have looked.  Besides, no game can be for everyone.  That is where these types of forums come in.  The devs won't tell you what you might like or not like about a game.  A pure fanbois isn't either.  That is where the job of the forum troll comes in handy.  Without the forum bringing a balance to the mix, it's nothing more than free hype for the devs.  Laying out the good, bad, and ugly of each game is fair and fun on on the forums.

Forums have as much PvP as many of the games. Often players who frequent the forums are radicalized to either pro or con. Still, it's fun to watch sometimes

 Fine

Originally posted by Kaelaan21

No matter what you write in the forums, your going to have a group of people that would like to see your head on a pike and your endtrails dangling underneath.

That has been the case in forums going back to Usenet and, before that, to Bulletin Boards you accessed with a 300 baud dial-up modem.  You can't afford to be thin-skinned on forums - they are red in tooth and claw, and always will be.  Human Nature.

Originally posted by pepsibottle

 Fine

Haha nice, i'd rather be doing that then here at work. :P

And to the OP, uhmm you play AoC for the boobs? you know you can google image "boobs" and probably find alot better stuff....

Originally posted by Sawlstone

First off I want to say thank you to the insightful posters out there that actually make forum threads worthwhile.

Now I promised myself that i wouldn't become a troll or flamer on any post or thread, so I jsut want to get something off my chest....

I like wow, I like aion and I like AoC all for different reasons.....the later cause i get to see boobs, but still its a reason!! Why can't all you people that insist on shoving your pov in our faces relax a little!!! Keep an open mind, because things aint so bad when it comes to wow or any game you DECIDE to give a try. Just imagine what it would feel like if you worked for years for a company, that truely didn't get it and ended up creating a total piece of crap game that folded 6 months after release.....THAT would suck.

And just so you know, I have been playing mmos for about 6 years neither ground-breaking or noobish......but i like wow more then anything thing out there right now......so keep playing what you want!!
 

Welcome to the interwebz!

Well since you're joining the fray... you're now subject to us as well... and my first question to you OP is this...

You stated "and I like AoC all for different reasons.....the later cause i get to see boobs, but still its a reason"

You play Age of Conan... just to see tits? You play an online video game... just to see breasts... ONLINE? You're 32 years old and the place you go to see cleavage... ONLINE... is Age of Conan?

My second question is this...

You stated you've played MMO's for about 6 years right? What games would those be? Becasue, no offense, that puts you around the time of WoW and on... So when you say that, it's similar to a person saying they're a Metallica fan, and St. Anger is the best album they ever made because that was the first one you heard, and didn't hear their work before and are telling the fans to shut up about their differences and just accept the new stuff. Oooh, that dog just ain't gonna hunt.

See, 12 years ago, there were only 3 mainstream MMO's to choose from. The gameplay and style varied vastly between them, and each had their own followings. Then, sloooowly mind you, things started to branch out. Devs and companies were taking their time, developing their own IP's and gamestyles and experiment. Some flourished (for instance like EVE), some failed (like Earth and Beyond). The biggest wake up call to every video game publisher, was the success of WoW. Bricks were shat at how well WoW did against EQ2... mainly because of EQ2's own doing though. Since then, it's hasn't been about "the next thing", it's been about "What can top WoW and make as much money" ventures with MMO's. Everyone sees the size of the pie Blizzard is taking and they all want it NOW! So to hell with originality, or what the people may want that WoW isn't offering... it's "Let's try to reproduce WoW's success in as little time and money involved." Hence why you see many people complain about "clones", ESPECIALLY those who hadn't played any MMO's prior to the years WoW came out because they have nothing else to compare games to.

So to those of us who grew with the genre... we crawled out of the dark ages of gaming, walked with MMO's through their renaissance days, and are currently baffled and angered at the "modern art" stage things are at, where a person can take a shit on a canvas, give it some sophisticated name and story behind it, and watch it sell for 1000 times the worth of the canvas it took and the Taco Bell meal that was required to make it. And there you have modern MMO's. Yes, I will say I am a fan of World of Warcraft... though I no longer play it, nor wish to do so anytime in the near or later future. Is it because I hate blizzard? No... it's the same reason I don't care to drag out my Dragon Warrior cart and throw it on my TV. I've played it so many times... start to finish that I don't care to really do it again... even if they did add new content to the game... I'll be damned if I'm going through the same thing over and over again, just to have an extra slice of the pie I'm sick of eating. If after over FIVE years of playing World of Warcraft... you still ENJOY questing in Elwynn Forest while you're leveling up your 80th LvL 1. Human alt... you need medication. And don't give me that Cataclysm hype either. Too little too late for me personally, but hey, WoW has over, what, 12 million "current" subs? I'm willing to bet that's not the total number of people worldwide that have ever subscribed in it's lifetime, though I can not find an official number of how many different people have actually owned a subscription at one time with WoW.

Lastly, you said "Just imagine what it would feel like if you worked for years for a company, that truely didn't get it and ended up creating a total piece of crap game that folded 6 months after release.....THAT would suck." Yes, it sucks for those of us who either bought into the massive PR hype and preordered on good faith, only to have the games suck assholes through garden hoses for the first months of it's existence all the while being expected to continue forking out cash for shit we can't totally say we "enjoy 100%" I hear and read all the time people say "Eh, it'll pass the time until <insert next big hypetrain name> comes out!" or "I'm giving <insert failing game> a chance till they work the bugs out... then it SHOULD be a decent game". The standards and practices of MMO's nowadays are shit. They weren't the best back then... but the current standard is that of a "McMMO"... they promise excellence, get only half of your order right most of the time and don't give a shit if you bitch about it because they're just there to do their job, not to care about it. It's about quantity, not quality.

So in ending, if you read this, I really do appreciate your time. Honestly. But with respect, the majority of us who aren't playing EVE and posting here inbetween jumps, if we HAD a MMO to enjoy play, we wouldn't be posting here. Hence why many of us are more prone to complain or rant... especially in the "General" section of MMORPG.

My main pet peeve is people criticising games b4 they come out. They see a video..Oh look its linear, They see a art of a world...oh its themepark, they see crafting systems......well it doesnt have this, etc etc etc I also hate to see the "insert game here" failure threads b4 it out too. lol

(AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH goses berserk and fires plungers at the MMORPG moderaters)

Originally posted by Sawlstone

First off I want to say thank you to the insightful posters out there that actually make forum threads worthwhile.

Now I promised myself that i wouldn't become a troll or flamer on any post or thread, so I jsut want to get something off my chest....

I like wow, I like aion and I like AoC all for different reasons.....the later cause i get to see boobs, but still its a reason!! Why can't all you people that insist on shoving your pov in our faces relax a little!!! Keep an open mind, because things aint so bad when it comes to wow or any game you DECIDE to give a try. Just imagine what it would feel like if you worked for years for a company, that truely didn't get it and ended up creating a total piece of crap game that folded 6 months after release.....THAT would suck.

And just so you know, I have been playing mmos for about 6 years neither ground-breaking or noobish......but i like wow more then anything thing out there right now......so keep playing what you want!!
 

I like wow, I like aion and I like AoC all for different reasons.....the later cause i get to see boobs, but still its a reason!!

I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair at work! You sir have the quote of the year :)

I agree with the guy who posted you need to be thick skinned to make it through forums. Is this all useless? Well, theres always the chance a dev might come in here and notice complaints seem to follow certain trends... This thing is about dissent, at the end of the day we will all go back to our respective MMOs and deal with whatever good or bad calls designers made. But as a large comunity i dont think it negative at all that we try to sort our issues and opinions, even if sometimes things do seem to get out of hand.

Originally posted by Lansid

Originally posted by Sawlstone

First off I want to say thank you to the insightful posters out there that actually make forum threads worthwhile.

Now I promised myself that i wouldn't become a troll or flamer on any post or thread, so I jsut want to get something off my chest....

I like wow, I like aion and I like AoC all for different reasons.....the later cause i get to see boobs, but still its a reason!! Why can't all you people that insist on shoving your pov in our faces relax a little!!! Keep an open mind, because things aint so bad when it comes to wow or any game you DECIDE to give a try. Just imagine what it would feel like if you worked for years for a company, that truely didn't get it and ended up creating a total piece of crap game that folded 6 months after release.....THAT would suck.

And just so you know, I have been playing mmos for about 6 years neither ground-breaking or noobish......but i like wow more then anything thing out there right now......so keep playing what you want!!
 

Welcome to the interwebz!

Well since you're joining the fray... you're now subject to us as well... and my first question to you OP is this...

You stated "and I like AoC all for different reasons.....the later cause i get to see boobs, but still its a reason"

You play Age of Conan... just to see tits? You play an online video game... just to see breasts... ONLINE? You're 32 years old and the place you go to see cleavage... ONLINE... is Age of Conan?

My second question is this...

You stated you've played MMO's for about 6 years right? What games would those be? Becasue, no offense, that puts you around the time of WoW and on... So when you say that, it's similar to a person saying they're a Metallica fan, and St. Anger is the best album they ever made because that was the first one you heard, and didn't hear their work before and are telling the fans to shut up about their differences and just accept the new stuff. Oooh, that dog just ain't gonna hunt.

See, 12 years ago, there were only 3 mainstream MMO's to choose from. The gameplay and style varied vastly between them, and each had their own followings. Then, sloooowly mind you, things started to branch out. Devs and companies were taking their time, developing their own IP's and gamestyles and experiment. Some flourished (for instance like EVE), some failed (like Earth and Beyond). The biggest wake up call to every video game publisher, was the success of WoW. Bricks were shat at how well WoW did against EQ2... mainly because of EQ2's own doing though. Since then, it's hasn't been about "the next thing", it's been about "What can top WoW and make as much money" ventures with MMO's. Everyone sees the size of the pie Blizzard is taking and they all want it NOW! So to hell with originality, or what the people may want that WoW isn't offering... it's "Let's try to reproduce WoW's success in as little time and money involved." Hence why you see many people complain about "clones", ESPECIALLY those who hadn't played any MMO's prior to the years WoW came out because they have nothing else to compare games to.

So to those of us who grew with the genre... we crawled out of the dark ages of gaming, walked with MMO's through their renaissance days, and are currently baffled and angered at the "modern art" stage things are at, where a person can take a shit on a canvas, give it some sophisticated name and story behind it, and watch it sell for 1000 times the worth of the canvas it took and the Taco Bell meal that was required to make it. And there you have modern MMO's. Yes, I will say I am a fan of World of Warcraft... though I no longer play it, nor wish to do so anytime in the near or later future. Is it because I hate blizzard? No... it's the same reason I don't care to drag out my Dragon Warrior cart and throw it on my TV. I've played it so many times... start to finish that I don't care to really do it again... even if they did add new content to the game... I'll be damned if I'm going through the same thing over and over again, just to have an extra slice of the pie I'm sick of eating. If after over FIVE years of playing World of Warcraft... you still ENJOY questing in Elwynn Forest while you're leveling up your 80th LvL 1. Human alt... you need medication. And don't give me that Cataclysm hype either. Too little too late for me personally, but hey, WoW has over, what, 12 million "current" subs? I'm willing to bet that's not the total number of people worldwide that have ever subscribed in it's lifetime, though I can not find an official number of how many different people have actually owned a subscription at one time with WoW.

Lastly, you said "Just imagine what it would feel like if you worked for years for a company, that truely didn't get it and ended up creating a total piece of crap game that folded 6 months after release.....THAT would suck." Yes, it sucks for those of us who either bought into the massive PR hype and preordered on good faith, only to have the games suck assholes through garden hoses for the first months of it's existence all the while being expected to continue forking out cash for shit we can't totally say we "enjoy 100%" I hear and read all the time people say "Eh, it'll pass the time until <insert next big hypetrain name> comes out!" or "I'm giving <insert failing game> a chance till they work the bugs out... then it SHOULD be a decent game". The standards and practices of MMO's nowadays are shit. They weren't the best back then... but the current standard is that of a "McMMO"... they promise excellence, get only half of your order right most of the time and don't give a shit if you bitch about it because they're just there to do their job, not to care about it. It's about quantity, not quality.

So in ending, if you read this, I really do appreciate your time. Honestly. But with respect, the majority of us who aren't playing EVE and posting here inbetween jumps, if we HAD a MMO to enjoy play, we wouldn't be posting here. Hence why many of us are more prone to complain or rant... especially in the "General" section of MMORPG.

 

 Vince....Vince Vaughn? This that you? That was a great rant! I did actually learn a little. Thank you
 

I was actually just trying to start a light hearted thread, that didn't bash or slam anything except negitivity...it was simply a statement. However I have learned my leasson and i should have remaind a forum virgin here. Inevitably, I'm destined to turn sour and rant until I meet my end.....in 2012.

And comeon....Conan, boobs!! Who didn't make a hot chick after they created their studly conqueror? and take off her top and frolic on the beach.....Come on!! Lies!!!

Plus, lots looks good to you after marriage