Anyone who thinks quests are a decent or even viable way to level is either vastly ignorant or lying.  Can you get a journal full of quests?  Yes.  Does it matter?  No.  Quest rewards are by and large a joke.

70% of quest at level 30+ give the equivalent of one solo kill of an elite.  I can solo an elite in 4-5 minutes on my ranger in high 30's.  Those quests take quadruple that time and there are not anywehere even close to enough to give you a level, there are not enough to even give you half a level.

80% of all xp is from mobs.  Some ppl come on here and claim doing the repetables means there are plenty of quests.  They conviently leave out that 90% of the xp they are getting is from the mob kills from those repeatables.

Not only is solo grinding the fastest way to level, but quests themselves are no where even close to even half of the xp you would get.  Quest xp relative to mob xp is minmal.

All these ppl talking about their quest journal being full have no idea how the game works.  Its not even up for debate.  Anyone saying quests matter has automatically shown themselves to not have any clue.  Once you get past level 20 or so you should understand this.  Anyone level 30 or higher who claims quests mean jack diddly poop is either lying or so incredibly clueless that they should see a doctor and get a CAT scan.

I did quests and I am lvl 40.  So exp is enough to level up if you do NOT DIE.

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by Acidon

In AION, everything that drops in the game can be sold on broker. Nothing is Bind on Pickup.

 

Just wanted to pipe in and say this isn't true.  I've personally looted soulbound (BoP) items.  The first was off a named, a blue chain chest piece.

Not that this changes anything, just wanted to clarify.

 

Acidon

 

  Yes, most of the BoP items are quest items. However, a lot of the open world loots are BoE. I was just in an ice claw group yesterday where a 32 gladiator ninjaed a blue sword that a temp wanted (the gladiator already had a better weapon and had no intention of using it); drama ensued and he was kicked from the group.

 

Come on people.  Fire Temple?  The whole place is BOP every non-world drop is BOP even the greens.  It is the most restrictive loot table i have ever seen in an MMO.

The amount of misinformation about this game sometimes boggles my mind.  There is tons of BOP in Aion, even on just plain stupid stuff.

Open world stuff tends to almost always be BOE.  Instances are rife BOP.  Fire temple is ALL BOP.  Training grounds boss items are BOP.  Do you know how many ppl are losing good equipment because of myths like this?  The boss of trianing grounds give only BOP rewards and people are not even realizing they are screwing ppl over by rolling because someone told them stuff that is not just inaccurate but wildly and completely wrong.

Originally posted by teco221

I did quests and I am lvl 40.  So exp is enough to level up if you do NOT DIE.

Bullshit.  There is not enough quest xp to level to 40, not even close.  A least 60% of all of your xp was from mobs.  Just because those mobs were part of some quest does not make it quest xp.

You may have been working on a quest the whole time.  So what.  I just did a quest that had me kill 60 lepharists.  It gave me like 500k xp.  Killing 60 lepharists is like 2-3M xp from the mob kills.

You could probably level to 50 just by doing repeatable quests the whole time.  You would be working on quests the whole time.  You still would have leveled 90% of your xp from mob xp since repeatables give shit xp as the quest reward.

The quests in this game are a non-factor.  The only ones that matter are the ones that give a good item or a bunch of monye or the very rare ones with decent xp (like some campaign quests).  Those are few and far between.  The vast majority of quest give something like 250k at level 35-40.  Considering you need 26M xp to from 37-38 most ppl can do the math.  There are not 100 quests at that level, the vast majority of the xp you will get at that level will be from mobs. 

Originally posted by Xasapis

The new crop of MMO players are conditioned to believe that "The game starts at the end-game". So they are basically ignoring everything and they play any game in the most unfunny but effective way in order to reach the end-game. Usually the end up burned out and disgusted by the whole process, blaming the game instead of blaming themselves and the way they approached the game in the first place.

Of all the MMO's out there, Aion truly does begin at endgame. 

The things that I would normally enjoy in an MMORPG don't exist in Aion.

You want to explore?  Sorry, tiny little zones. 

You want to do a low level dungeon with friends?  Tough, there are no low level dungeons. 

You want to PvP in the Abyss when you finally hit 25?  No comment.

Crafting is fun, I guess.

I don't care if it takes me a year to hit 50 if it is an adventure getting there.  This game has no adventure, just levels.

It is not the leveling curve that is the problem, it's the sheer boredom. 

To set the tone, I will say I'm lvl 33.

Everyone that say that they ran of quest are plain idiots that never really wanted to play the game, they just wanted to complain about an asian game. ( among those I feel there's a bunch that are bordering racisism tbh ) I never ran out of quests so far & I even had to drop a few at lvl 30 cuz my quest log was full. There was no gray quests in there, only quests that were still worth it.

Just don't play the game if you don't like it & STFU.

Grinfing.. you have to be kiddign me! The game has been out a month & there's plenty of ppl that are near lvl cap.

I'll repeat what I said many time in other thread; You guys should quit playing MMORPG for your sake & ours, this genre just isn't for you. You don't seam to be getting that its the journey that counts & not end game & that what you call grind IS the game.

Originally posted by Xasapis

The new crop of MMO players are conditioned to believe that "The game starts at the end-game". So they are basically ignoring everything and they play any game in the most unfunny but effective way in order to reach the end-game. Usually the end up burned out and disgusted by the whole process, blaming the game instead of blaming themselves and the way they approached the game in the first place.

Well when the classes are balanced for max level and a lot of the important content is made for max level, I would have to agree with the conditioned players.  Aion's main attraction, PvPvE really doesn't start until level 50.

Trying to convince those that hat it or say it is a grind won't change their mind, basically the grind is their in all MMO's, some hide it better and some don't. So what if Aion does not hide it, you played with it before in other MMO's and now your complaining.

The bot issues well that is a serious concern for all players but i'm willing to see what happens after the 3 month to see if they can get a handle on it. When you have some 40 companies using bots plus the players too as well, then it takes a bit of time to root through all of them.

The gold spam issue is almost a quashed issue, just need to keep tweeking the filter to lessen it now and then.

Some of the quests are a bit hard to find if you don't know where to look and some quests can only be started by picking up certain items, so i can see where some of the players complain about not having quests at some levels.

Let's see, queue's are all but diminished or gone completely, server populations are healthy, and NCWest are addressing players concerns as fast as they can. Customer support does need to improve some as well as getting the GM's out for 24/7 support.

Could increase by a bit the drop rate for the fluxes, make it where certain classes can't solo elites and fix the group XP.

Beyond that all else i can live with. People will complain no matter what about a MMO, because people just like to disagree.

Originally posted by gestalt11

 

  Yes, most of the BoP items are quest items. However, a lot of the open world loots are BoE. I was just in an ice claw group yesterday where a 32 gladiator ninjaed a blue sword that a temp wanted (the gladiator already had a better weapon and had no intention of using it); drama ensued and he was kicked from the group.

 

 

Come on people.  Fire Temple?  The whole place is BOP every non-world drop is BOP even the greens.  It is the most restrictive loot table i have ever seen in an MMO.

The amount of misinformation about this game sometimes boggles my mind.  There is tons of BOP in Aion, even on just plain stupid stuff.

Open world stuff tends to almost always be BOE.  Instances are rife BOP.  Fire temple is ALL BOP.  Training grounds boss items are BOP.  Do you know how many ppl are losing good equipment because of myths like this?  The boss of trianing grounds give only BOP rewards and people are not even realizing they are screwing ppl over by rolling because someone told them stuff that is not just inaccurate but wildly and completely wrong.

 

  I didn't post any misinformation, so I think you're referring to the initial post everybody had responded to. There are so few instances in this game it's not even funny; I mean, for fuck's sake, for the first 30 levels there is only ONE (training camp).

  Compare and contrast that to WoW's: Ragefire Chasm, Wailing Caverns, Deadmines, Stockades, Gnomeregan, Black Fathom Depths, Shadowfang Keep and Razorfen Kraul. 

   Who cares about instance loot anyway? Most of the time NOTHING EVEN DROPS. That's right, in the 6 runs of training camp I had done until 30, I saw only 3 blue drops. Amazing, right? 

    BoP stuff is not something you farm in in Aion (pre-endgame, I suppose) as you might in WoW; it's something that you might happen upon and good luck actually winning it if you're a popular class (my main was sorc).

Originally posted by scodavis

Originally posted by Xasapis

The new crop of MMO players are conditioned to believe that "The game starts at the end-game". So they are basically ignoring everything and they play any game in the most unfunny but effective way in order to reach the end-game. Usually the end up burned out and disgusted by the whole process, blaming the game instead of blaming themselves and the way they approached the game in the first place.

 

Of all the MMO's out there, Aion truly does begin at endgame. 

The things that I would normally enjoy in an MMORPG don't exist in Aion.

 

You want to explore?  Sorry, tiny little zones. 

You want to do a low level dungeon with friends?  Tough, there are no low level dungeons. 

You want to PvP in the Abyss when you finally hit 25?  No comment.

Crafting is fun, I guess.

I don't care if it takes me a year to hit 50 if it is an adventure getting there.  This game has no adventure, just levels.

 

It is not the leveling curve that is the problem, it's the sheer boredom. 

 

 

 

 

I guess you view of the game is a testiment to different points of view of the game.  If people actually took the time to explore then they would see that they are missing all those quests.  True the game is not sandbox but there is lots to find on every map.

True there are not early dungeons but there are group quests that you and your friends can do at around 16-22.  (In Elyos its Krall).  There are bosses, quests, and a lot of fun.  There are decent dropps to if you (i dare say) explore the area and find the bosses.  This also ease you into group play instead of throwing you into an instance.

If you have done all these things you eventually hit level 25 and there are tons of quest here too(if you explore).  Now people cry about level 40s in the abyss but the true is they cannot see your level. They can see your rank however but you have to start somewhere.  Warhammer tried the split the levels up in each zone..look what happened...dead pvp areas. Its a pvp game take you licks and level up.  Rifts are a little iffy right now I give you that but thats an issed that can come after the spammers, bots and crashes are addressed.

I'm not much of a crafter but it seems like this crafting system rewards the hard working crafters. Its tougher on crafters but if you stick with it as many of my friends have you are rewarded.  At least its not mindless as some other games and you get xp!

I'm not sure why you are bored but I invite you to Ariel server on the elyos side. We have lots of fun and are never bored!

I just canceled yesterday, and it wasn't because of the grind.  While I don't mind a grind, I absolutely hate soloing and before you hit 25 there seems to be nobody really grouping.  Another point is they really should have included some type of pvp before level 25, I think that was a mistake on their part.   But other than that I may sign back up if I get too bored because I've heard the pvp is very fun.

Originally posted by dreamer05

I just canceled yesterday, and it wasn't because of the grind.  While I don't mind a grind, I absolutely hate soloing and before you hit 25 there seems to be nobody really grouping.  Another point is they really should have included some type of pvp before level 25, I think that was a mistake on their part.   But other than that I may sign back up if I get too bored because I've heard the pvp is very fun.

If you are in the LFG channel there are non-stop shouts for people to group.  Where you playing Asmo side?

In the 40teens now and still loving the game - the only thing they need to fix is the crashing in high populated areas - but since this problem was never present in korea... its must be some kind of localisation or customisation bug which they need to fix and they already told us they are at it... :) Cant wait ^^

Originally posted by arctarus

One thing about grind at higher levels. I see a lot of players bypass the mobs on their way to their quest objective. They either run on the side or just glide away from the mobs.

Why? Since you know this game have more grind than others, why not kill all the mobs along your path? Surely they add up along the way. In the end you don't have to grind more when you hit higher levels.

Another thing, i always read that players abandon quests that they have out level, why again? They still give some decent xp and titles also helps with your stats.

I've not reach level 25, the so-call level where you seriously run out of quests, so please correct me if i'm wrong...

 

 

 

 

 

QFT!
 

IF you don't kill the monsters you pass by wtf are you doing in a game that kills monsters?  Rarely will I pass by a monster, unless it is well out of level range of Im logging for the night.

Originally posted by Xasapis

The new crop of MMO players are conditioned to believe that "The game starts at the end-game". So they are basically ignoring everything and they play any game in the most unfunny but effective way in order to reach the end-game. Usually the end up burned out and disgusted by the whole process, blaming the game instead of blaming themselves and the way they approached the game in the first place.

This is a great point.  I know having played WoW for several years that it's easy to get conditioned into thinking only about end game raiding, gear, etc. and forgetting everything in between.  I'm not blaming WoW for this, but it seems like that game started to change how I approached MMO's for me personally.  I stopped reading quest text, stopped paying attention to lore, and just started trying to get my character ready for raiding and loot drops.  Now when a new MMO comes out, I find myself falling back into that pattern almost without thinking.

Unfortunately for me I find that Aion could be described as a mile wide and an inch deep.  I'm not interested in the lore of the game at all.  When I started playing I went right back to, "how many of x mob do I need to kill, how many weeds to harvest, etc." until I could hit level cap.  Telling myself the whole time, the game will be fun when I can pvp!  The game will be fun when I hit level cap!  Unfortunately I realized that the game isn't fun for me at all.  I've already done this same thing for 3+ years in another MMO. 

I can't take that kind of game play anymore.  It ends up costing me money for games I have no interest in playing because the content is shit, the lore is boring, and I feel like I'm in a perpetual rat wheel for gear.  /shrug  To each their own, and for those that enjoy Aion I'm happy for you.  It's not a bad game at all, no matter what anyone says.  Well polished, well presented, and "balanced".  It's just not the type of MMO I want to play anymore.  /tiphat

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